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So what were the reasons behind the embarrassing 3-0 T20I series loss to Sri Lanka?

Team selection?

Batting order?

Captaincy?

What else?
 
Saj said:
So what were the reasons behind the embarrassing 3-0 T20I series loss to Sri Lanka?

Team selection?

Batting order?

Captaincy?

What else?
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Squad selection - Umar/Shehzad in, Malik out, no promising youngster selected, spineless middle order selection apart from Haris

Batting plans - Tuk Tuk till last few overs then give all wickets away slogging

Bowling - Shadab out of form so no genuine spin threat

Misbah written in caps all over this series loss.
 
I am gonna blame Misbah. The team under him has become terrible. Even our odi wins were not convincing.
 
1. Ambition
2. No Overarching Playing Philosophy(Batting, Bowling, Fielding)
3. No System or Process as It Pertains to Identifying Talent
4. No Adherence to any System or Tactical Formation
5. Complete Lack of Knowledge in Distinguishing the Difference Between Talent ID and Team Building
6. Selection is Just the Execution of All These Mistakes

7. There is no logic or alignment to anything we do. We react to 1 mistake by making 10 more. Why? Because we have no idea what we're doing or want to do.
 
In order:

Plans both in bowling and batting. Especially batting. It was a chasable score. We were in control, but acceleration should have come a little earlier. By the time they tried to accelerate it was too pressure due to required run rate.

There are still passengers in the team. Asif ali for example. He is a hitter that cant hit. During his partnership with imad in the second match, imad took responsibility to hit the boundaries. Sarfraz as well, poor wicket keeping this series. And sarfrazs batting has been poor for a while now. Shadab the less said the better. The kid has totally lost it.

Fielding cost us an additional 20 runs.

Overall preparation seemed poor. Need more practice against mystery spinners and leggies. Afghanistan exposed these holes back in aisa cup and world cup and seems it hasn't been worked on at all. They aren't reading any googles.

Babars poor form all of a sudden. Let's face it, he was carrying our batting in t20s for a long time now. He didn't perform well in one series and the result reflects that. Not his fault, pakistan need to not be over reliant on him.
 
Good Post. Playing spin a systemic problem. You only have to look at what Afghanistan's Under 19 has done to ours over the past few years. It's embarassing.
 
Misbah was appointed as coach and selector..... that's what went wrong
 
Simplistic. It's far deeper than that.

If Misbah was replaced by Wasim Akram tomorrow we would face the same ignominy.
 
The toss

Pakistan can’t chase, why do you let SL bat first in the 1st game???
 
Overall Misbah was certainly to blame for his pathetic selections and for being as clueless as ever but I think there's more to it than that. These pitches weren't exactly belters. Look at the discipline with which rajitha, Pradeep and Kumara bowled and used the movement and skid on offer. Pakistani seamers were not as good in their execution . And Hasaranga was much better than shadab as well. Pakistan were completely outbowled.
 
Team selection- Asif Umar Shahzad Sarfraz Shadab Fakhar Faheem none of them have what it takes in Internationals
 
We were completely outplayed. They bowled, batted and fielded superbly and we just didn’t have answers. They played with no fear and we looked like we were in a straight jacket. We chopped and changed our line up brought in a few players who should be nowhere near the team and this created too much unpredictability in the line up. The list goes on.

In the past we have always played our best 11 and not really experimented that much but this time bringing in akmal, Shehzad and wahab was a real mistake.
 
Reminds me of Asia cup 2016 with Waqar as coach.We saw confusing selection,lack of direction....Atleast under Mickey we were progressing in limited overs cricket.Now Pakistan cricket is back to boring
 
Nothing really went wrong. The problem is that our team management/players and the fans are equally delusional in different ways.

Anyone who thought that Pakistan is a genuine number one T20I team was living on cloud cuckoo land.

It is a fake ranking built on a fake streak where Pakistan were not tested against the likes of India who would have beaten this team to a pulp.

People would say that they are still better than Sri Lanka C and something must have gone wrong if they got blanked, but these anomalies are quiet common when you are a mediocre team.

You will punch above your weight (beating the likes of Australia and New Zealand in consecutive series) and you can punch below your weight (getting whitewashed by Sri Lanka C).

Mediocrity breeds inconsistency, and we advertise this inconsistency as unpredictability and mercuriality. Why? Because we are unmatched when it comes to denial and delusion.
 
Misbah being incharge. That’s what went wrong.
 
Selection wasn't good. After losing the first two games, they probably were low in confidence. Everything went right for SL and they eventually won 3-0.

Pakistan can't afford to bring back old TTFs. Time for young blood.
 
Sarfraz and Shadab are poor players.

Fakhar and Babar were out of form.

Asif Ali was misused.
 
Mamoon said:
Nothing really went wrong. The problem is that our team management/players and the fans are equally delusional in different ways.

Anyone who thought that Pakistan is a genuine number one T20I team was living on cloud cuckoo land.

It is a fake ranking built on a fake streak where Pakistan were not tested against the likes of India who would have beaten this team to a pulp.

People would say that they are still better than Sri Lanka C and something must have gone wrong if they got blanked, but these anomalies are quiet common when you are a mediocre team.

You will punch above your weight (beating the likes of Australia and New Zealand in consecutive series) and you can punch below your weight (getting whitewashed by Sri Lanka C).

Mediocrity breeds inconsistency, and we advertise this inconsistency as unpredictability and mercuriality. Why? Because we are unmatched when it comes to denial and delusion.
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We are not that abd to lose to 3rd string srilanka 3-0.Enough of your lectures but its the worst T20 performnace in last 4 years doc saahib.
 
Indeed it was a terrible performance be it batting, bowling or fielding. But cut some slack guys. He's barely been around. Atleast give him 6 months! I'm pretty sure things will go in right direction. Patience and be positive for a change.
 
Complacency
Brittle
Negativity
Organisation

Not enough spinners to stem the flow of run
We missed malik and hafeez in the middle order
We missed imam ul haq at the top of the order
Imad wasim is our finisher , not sure what he was doing near the top of the order when he was needed with iftikhar to chase like malik would have done

Overall the batsmen guaranteed a place on the Australian tour didn’t show up
The fast bowlers bowled very well but weren’t backed up by the spinners
We have no game plan when chasing and need to sort out the batting order without being too experimental
Asif ali and fakhar zaman have no future in the team and we need sharjeel khan and shoaib malik back asap
 
I think their is several issues

1) being the players from the national team who were doing well maybe 2 years ago have lost their touch and this was a chance to bring in some young blood and put pressure on certain players


2) fielding which isn't a suprise considering we haven't been solid for a while now

3) misbah as a coach isn't gonna help nothing against him but he is not coach material

4) Sarfraz the man needs to go

5) not selecting a proper spinner . I don't care if it weakens the batting a proper spinner can make a difference
 
Mamoon said:
Nothing really went wrong. The problem is that our team management/players and the fans are equally delusional in different ways.

Anyone who thought that Pakistan is a genuine number one T20I team was living on cloud cuckoo land.

It is a fake ranking built on a fake streak where Pakistan were not tested against the likes of India who would have beaten this team to a pulp.

People would say that they are still better than Sri Lanka C and something must have gone wrong if they got blanked, but these anomalies are quiet common when you are a mediocre team.

You will punch above your weight (beating the likes of Australia and New Zealand in consecutive series) and you can punch below your weight (getting whitewashed by Sri Lanka C).

Mediocrity breeds inconsistency, and we advertise this inconsistency as unpredictability and mercuriality. Why? Because we are unmatched when it comes to denial and delusion.
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You talk about how pak fans are delusional and live in the past but it’s quite ironic that no one on here even talks about the champions trophy or Asia cup except for you. Every single post I see of you is we deserve this humiliation like we were already winning world cups for fun right. If you ever really did a through analysis’s of yourself you would even realize and be like damn man I’m actually ********. Like you keep saying fans were saying we’re the best in Asia cup , we got wrecked etc though I haven’t seen anyone on here boosting about how we were the best team ever. We are Pakistani fans we exactly know how good our team is. Coming to the rankings now it’s hilarious that 11 straight series win is apparently some sort of fluke cause if that were to be a fluke that would be biggest fluke in the history of all sports. We’re not even talking about 11 matches here we’re talking about 11 series. Which included beating England , Australia , Newzeland , West Indies, and I don’t know everyone else we played. Apparently not playing India makes this ranking a “fake” ranking why only because India is your father or that India are ranked number one somehow. India are a pathetic T20 team they lost to newzeland in newzeland where we won. They even got whitewashed by Australia at home whom we wrecked. Now don’t say India wasn’t even playing full strength because even kohli and bumrah we’re playing in that series yet they lost. Now recently they got stomped on by a sorry South African side with kohli playing again. So all this garbage you say is extremely irrelevant and bogus. You’re the only delusional person here who somehow thinks Pak fans deserve this humiliation because of Asia cup that was like 3 years ago lmao no body even cares but you it’s in every post of yours which shows you’re the only one still stuck in the past. Show some haya for once and get over it already we’re really sorry that our ICC number one ranking really hurts you but maybe you should write a letter to the ICC and they can explain to you why we are number and maybe your full of hate brain cells might start functioning correctly again.
 
Mamoon said:
Nothing really went wrong. The problem is that our team management/players and the fans are equally delusional in different ways.

Anyone who thought that Pakistan is a genuine number one T20I team was living on cloud cuckoo land.

It is a fake ranking built on a fake streak where Pakistan were not tested against the likes of India who would have beaten this team to a pulp.

People would say that they are still better than Sri Lanka C and something must have gone wrong if they got blanked, but these anomalies are quiet common when you are a mediocre team.

You will punch above your weight (beating the likes of Australia and New Zealand in consecutive series) and you can punch below your weight (getting whitewashed by Sri Lanka C).


Mediocrity breeds inconsistency, and we advertise this inconsistency as unpredictability and mercuriality. Why? Because we are unmatched when it comes to denial and delusion.
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:)))

What a way to cover your a** from all angles! How convenient!
 
1) Appointing a proven failure as the head of the team

2) The second in command, i.e. the captain, is almost equally incapable.
 
To me, it looks like not enough recognition is being given to the kind of talent we saw in the young SL side. Even today's star Oshada Fernando seemed to be noticeably better at timing the ball than Pak batsmen. I can similarly list 4-5 other players that we saw during the series that we'll hear about in the years to come. The shot making ability was superb.

Even in the bowling department Rajitha (most impressive) and Kumara (bowled at 94 MPH today) were better than Pakistani counterparts. We know how the spin bowlers stack up. I'm calling it a bit prematurely, but SL cricket team could be witnessing a resurgence. They'll will challenge the Big 3 in two to three years.
 
Mamoon said:
Nothing really went wrong. The problem is that our team management/players and the fans are equally delusional in different ways.

Anyone who thought that Pakistan is a genuine number one T20I team was living on cloud cuckoo land.

It is a fake ranking built on a fake streak where Pakistan were not tested against the likes of India who would have beaten this team to a pulp.

People would say that they are still better than Sri Lanka C and something must have gone wrong if they got blanked, but these anomalies are quiet common when you are a mediocre team.

You will punch above your weight (beating the likes of Australia and New Zealand in consecutive series) and you can punch below your weight (getting whitewashed by Sri Lanka C).

Mediocrity breeds inconsistency, and we advertise this inconsistency as unpredictability and mercuriality. Why? Because we are unmatched when it comes to denial and delusion.
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Why doesnt ICC just hand all the future trophies to India
 
All the points mentioned so far in the thread basically. Biggest thing in my opinion was the attitude and mentality of the players. I think Sarfaraz was simply there to prove a point/playing for himself because he feels threatened by Rizwan. As captain, the guy leading at the top, it's an absolute catastrophe waiting to happen.

He doesn't inspire any confidence, I don't wanna follow a guy like that to be honest, he's simply a yes man. The captain is the guy you go to to confide and build your trust. Why would I want to do that with Sarfaraz who'll just do as he's told by the coach, not raising any concern on the players behalf? Stuff like that.

The man has failed to improve his game. Not just him but a few other players in the side. There's something called 'deliberate practice' that all athletes & coaches know about. But it looks like our guys just like to go with the flow and do their own thing. Absolutely no structure, unless you have someone like Mickey barking at you to get things done like a parent scolding a child. That's what our players are, children. They'll only do what you want when you treat them as such. /Rant
 
It is already clear that Misbah is in way over his head. He is too calm and not the man to get the best out of Pakistani players.

We need tough, no nonsense coaches to push against the natural tendencies of Asian players to settle into their comfort zones.
 
I think this is what went wrong:

1) Too much put on one person's plate in terms of HC and CS. It led to poor team selection, and poor strategy. There is still time to separate the positions. I quite like the idea of having a Director of Cricket for the team who oversees selection and overall strategy. The HC doing the day to day coaching and match-day strategies.

2) Home pressure. It was the first real home series for a lot of our players. They've never played international cricket in front of passionate home crowds, some of the NEVER. I think we felt that pressure and it affected things.

3) Captaincy. Clearly at this point it is visible to anyone that Sarfaraz has mentally checked out of the captaincy position. It is time to move on. The problem is, who to move on to. Clearly, Babar isn't ready. Maybe Haris Sohail? Lack of grooming (via vice-captaincy) and poor A-team tours/planning has led us to a vacuum of captaincy material. I would say, now that we don't have any matches up coming for a bit, use the T20 Cup to evaluate captaincy options.
 
Why did Imad Sarfaraz come ahead Iftikhar, who actually played well.

Haris proved why he should be in the side.

Many key players are out of form and selections were poor. Sri Lanka also played really well and they deserve the credit.
 
Sarfaraz knows his time is up, he extremely frustrated at the crease, even more than usual. He was poor as keeper, captain and batsman today. Rizwan will be the keeper in Australia.

You have got to feel for Iftikhar, he was the one guy who gave it his all today whether he was in the field or with the bat. He may not be the best fielder, but he has safe hands and is a hard worker and quickly learned from his mistakes in the field. He also has a muxh wider range of shots than Asif Ali and had he come in instead of Sarfaraz then Pakistan would have had a much better chance.
 
Every team is identifying younger players who play fearless brand of cricket and are in physically fit. Look at the SL players all were lean fit and agile even their fast players. Wahab Amir are liability in field. SL pacer today was bowling 90+ and the other bowler was getting great movement. Batting wise Asif is a hack, not international material - god knows who identified him as having potential. Misbah will always give older domestic players a chance because he felt he was wronged and didn’t debut till later - but he needs to realize way forward is to identify youth. Bizarre that no new faces were tried in this series.

Also seems like their is conspiracy to remove sarfaraz - the way wahab was treating Him when sarfaraz came to give him advice definitely felt like sarfaraz doesn’t command any respect from teammates.

SarfaraZ might be a nice guy but I think he sacrificed his batting position which seemed to be set as top order after 2015 WC - but with imam babar and Harris in team, I don’t think he warrants a place at 5 in ODI and doesn’t warrant a place at all in t20. Perhaps his time is up.
 
Safety first approach combined with seniority culture. Pakistan is still picking TTFs for the last decade, and they have been playing the same cautious cricket for the last three.

SL won the first two T20s with a reserve side, then they made five changes for the third to try out different players. That tells you everything about how teams who want to improve see things.

When Pakistan have dead rubbers, even then they make sure their TTFs get prime positions so they can massage their averages in meaningless matches.
 
Poor captaincy, the same guy is taking up another batsmen place.

Out of form players who just months ago were doing so well...why?

Sri Lanka played very well.

Misbah gets a pass but he needs to coach fakhar, shadab, Hasan and completely back into form .
 
barah_admi said:
Poor captaincy, the same guy is taking up another batsmen place.

Out of form players who just months ago were doing so well...why?

Sri Lanka played very well.

Misbah gets a pass but he needs to coach fakhar, shadab, Hasan and completely back into form .
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In how to play at 70 SR and staying at the crease until the RRR is so high that you eventually lose the match anyway?
 
Our top 3 was uncharacteristically poor and the loss of Babar’s form didn’t help.

Wish we didn’t have to chase in all the 3 games - had the feeling the pitch considerably slowed down each game during the 2nd innings.

Ifitkhar and Asif are simply not reliable enough batsman and there was simply too much for Imad to do.
 
msb314 said:
Our top 3 was uncharacteristically poor and the loss of Babar’s form didn’t help.

Wish we didn’t have to chase in all the 3 games - had the feeling the pitch considerably slowed down each game during the 2nd innings.

Ifitkhar and Asif are simply not reliable enough batsman and there was simply too much for Imad to do.
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Both Iftikhar and Asif are in the side to pounce after Babar, Imam, Fakhar and co have built a solid base. That i a very sound and common tactic in modern LOI cricket. Problem is, no one built that base.
 
msb314 said:
Our top 3 was uncharacteristically poor and the loss of Babar’s form didn’t help.

Wish we didn’t have to chase in all the 3 games - had the feeling the pitch considerably slowed down each game during the 2nd innings.

Ifitkhar and Asif are simply not reliable enough batsman and there was simply too much for Imad to do.
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Solid point regarding pitch slowness in the second innings. It was a poor move to bowl first in the 1st T20 when Pak management had the choice and that result changed the momentum and put extra pressure on Pak players supported by the fact that Srl won the toss in next two matches.
 
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Sri Lanka caught Pakistan at the right time when young players have either regressed or exposed, and older players are finished. A non-performing captain, who is himself under the radar, failed to lift the team neither as a leader nor as a batsman.

I want everyone to see how Pakistani players have regressed in last one year. Let's see the numbers of T-20 regulars for Pakistan.

[table="width: 500"]
[tr]
[td]Player[/td]
[td]2018[/td]
[td]2019[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Fakhar Zaman[/td]
[td]33.88[/td]
[td]8.00[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Asif Ali[/td]
[td]26.33[/td]
[td]11.28[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Shadab Khan[/td]
[td]17.42[/td]
[td]50.50[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Imad Wasim[/td]
[td]17.50[/td]
[td]24.00[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Hassan Ali[/td]
[td]26.06[/td]
[td]62.00[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

That's 5 out of 11 new players who have been struggling this year as proved by their batting/bowling averages.

Then, you include Sarfraz Ahmed to that list who has not performed since 2017.

Malik and Hafeez were another two players who are at the twilight of their international career.

Faheem has not done anything of note with either bat or ball in his entire limited overs career.

That is 9 out of 11 players! The only saving grace have been Babar Azam and Mohammad Amir. How can a team with 9 struggling players be a #1 T-20 team? It is nothing but a delusion.

Pakistan was regressing in T-20s which could be seen by how Pakistan lost a T-20 at home to a retired world XI. The same team lost the T-20 series to South Africa B. They lost a T-20 to England. The writing was on the wall but most fans were under the delusion that we were a true #1 T-20 team.

Pakistan's formula of winning T-20s was simple. Imad and Amir would choke the opposition batsmen with their tight line and length, and Pakistani batsmen would chase the 160-170 score with Babar's consistent batting. The only series where Babar's bat did not produce runs, the so-called #1 T-20 team was thoroughly exposed.

Now let me ask one simple question. How much coaching has Misbah done in one week? These numbers are mostly from Arthur's time. We can blame Misbah as much as we want but it does not change the fact that we are simply not good enough. The team does not have a single world class power hitter nor a specialist spinner which are a must in T-20s.

We can pass as many token statements as we want like "we would not have lost to SL -C under Arthur" but in their heart everyone knows that a humiliation like this was always a matter of when and where.
 
A couple of shocking batting stats from the LOI series

- Of the top 7 batsmen, a total of 9 dismissals across the three T20 games were bowled. Five of the top seven batsmen were out bowled in the second game.

- Sarfaraz Ahmed was out bowled in all three T20 games as well as the 3rd ODI.

Quite shocking for a team playing at the highest level. Lack of confidence or bad technique?
 
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