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Too many dot balls when batting?
Some missed 4 balls when batting?
Hassan Ali's bowling?
The dropped catch of Matthew Wade?

Other(s)?
 
Hassan ALi. Shouldnt havve bowled 4 overs. Adn the catch was the world cup. What a idiot. He deserves all criticism coming. 100%.
 
Openers playing 90s ODI cricket and relying on 45 year olds to be their pinchhitters. Asif Ali going for a duck :facepalm
 
winning combination... when from practice matches hassan ali showed his failiure intents ... MOTM goes to hassan ali and kuptaan...
 
Hasan Ali point blank. There’s nothing else.

There are other issues but that’s every innings. He sold it single handedly.

One of the worst performances in an elimination game ever.
 
This match played exactly like the semi final in 2010 as I pointed out when we were batting. Match was lost at the toss. Seems like chasing is super easy as you can play the game depending on the situation.
 
No where. We played good cricket, but the opposition came out on top.

If we start looking for reasons than those are just excuses.

People will say we didnt score good runs, but we made a decent total. Some will say we cant play pressure situations, but Pakistan held itself well in pressure situations to the point that they took very very very difficult catches.

If anyone comes here and bashes Hasan Ali they need to know that ICC champions trophy was won because of him. The guy got smacked around and he was low on confidence. I dont believe one drop catch lead us to losing the match.

Top effort by Pakistan, but Australian attittude of going till the last ball is what lead them to winning the game.
 
1. While batting we played poorly for 3-5 overs after the powerplay.
2. Hafeez bowled poorly.
3. Hassan Ali had a really bad day both with ball and in the field.

In the end the best team won. Well done Australia.
 
Not persisting with spinners when Wade and Stoinis came in (and this is not hindsight).
You had to bowl the 14th and 15th with spinners because:
- these two are far better against pacers than spinners
- they wouldn't have gone after the spinners at that time as Cummins was the next man in
- most importantly by not bowling Hafeez and Imad Babar completely closed off all his options and left himself with no flexibility. Knowing how badly Hasan has been bowling and Rauf can be erratic you must have some flexibility at the end.
 
idk is it me or did anyone else feel Hafeez's ego was bruised... he looked very off color in the field...
 
1. While batting we played poorly for 3-5 overs after the powerplay.
2. Hafeez bowled poorly.
3. Hassan Ali had a really bad day both with ball and in the field.

In the end the best team won. Well done Australia.
 
I think it's obvious where it all went wrong.

However now everyone with an agenda is going to blame it on whatever factor they like it,
 
Pakistan played brilliantly. Wade hitting 3 sixes of Afridi and 2 of them scoops is something very very very rare.
 
Not bowling Afridi earlier.

They could have killed the game if they brought him to bowl the 16th. Needing 15 from there would have been too much.
 
Pakistan were in it until Hassan "Butter fingers" Ali dropped a vital catch like he did in the first test against West Indies and cost them the match.
 
You guys underestimated Australia and had to pay the price.

The thing with Australians is that it is not just about big guns but pretty much all their players who have been around for a while do contribute in big games at some point of a time.

Warner, Finch, Smith, Maxwell, Stoinis and Wade- they all can win games on their day and they showed it today. Some other team would have probably thrown it at this point with the way Wade was struggling. But he made the dropped catch pay Pakistan.
 
- Rizwan wasting balls at the start of each innings. His score looks good in the end as he makes up for his slow start by hitting boundaries at the end. But he is always struggling to time his shots at the start. At least Babar takes singles, if he can't hit. Rizwan and Babar combo shouldn't be persisted with going forward.

- Hasan Ali. Pathetic bowler and even pathetic fielder. I never want to see him play for Pakistan again.

- Imad. Rubbish bowler who shouldn't be anywhere near the team. He is a spinner who can't spin the bowler.
 
We were just beaten by the better team, not a lot we did wrong tbh.
 
Saj said:
Too many dot balls when batting?
Some missed 4 balls when batting?
Hassan Ali's bowling?
The dropped catch of Matthew Wade?

Other(s)?
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we NEVER, NEVER and NEVER had the intention and planning to put 195 on the board if we were to bat fist. We did NOT prepare for it. We did not care for it.

This is THE MAIN REASON we lost.

And then obviously three missed run outs when the Aussie batsmen were not even in the frame. It was Maxi, Stoinis and Wade, all three should've been EASY run outs.
 
babar and rizwan playing anchor role, while one of them could have gone the warner way.
Brilliant spell from adam zampa, followed by starc and maxi.
Too much pace on the ball, less variations from pakistan bowlers.
imad and hafeez not putting preassure ( one of them could have played a role similar to maxi).

Australias clutch genie in knock outs meant, a single mistake the match would be gone. dropped catch reduced the chances but then, with stonois and patt cummins/starc to come, australia had better odds.
 
reversehook said:
not today mate, toss had nothing to do with end result
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Finch just said the ball skids on under lights which is why everyone chases

In the last 10 overs under lights you can chase anything on these pitches

Final will also be decided by the toss
 
Cummins was bowling across the left hander and we were bowling on the legs


Some really poor tactics
 
Play fast bowlers in spin pitches and fill the team with over-aged players. We were in easy group to move into semi.
 
I got told that if Pakistan batted first, 175 would be.a winning total! [MENTION=151861]Colorblind Genius[/MENTION]
 
I think once pakistan scored 175+, any batsman can't be blamed for the loss as the overall unit scored much above the par score. We can all blame Hassan Ali for the obvious drop but Shahin Afridi bowling 3 deliveries with the same pace, same line and even a full toss can't escape the blame either.
 
Hasan deserves all the criticism. He lost the match with ball and dropping a huge catch.

At the end of the day, he won us the champions trophy and he had a good comeback. Life will be rough for the next couple of weeks for him but he’s mentally very strong, and he will be back.
 
Pakistan did most things correctly today. They just lost the toss...which is the most important thing in this world cup. Pakistan was lucky to win tosses against India and New Zealand
 
Few things come to mind.

Shaheen has a poor record against left handers...
should have held him back for the last over.
Rauf has bowled a very good third over and maybe could have picked up a wicket or two with pace/slower balls.

Had three direct hit run out opportunities which on another day would have hit snd they would have been 90 odd for 6 or 7


Less said about Hasan Ali the better.
 
Hassan ali. Should never play white ball cricket again.
Underutilization of the long batting lineup. Should have gone harder.
Babar's captaincy was poor today. Shouldn't have bowled Imad to Warner when the bowl was swinging for shaheen.
 
Why can't certain fans admit the toss played a key role.

Even if pak got 190, Aussies would have chased it.

This tournament is a lottery
 
Hasan going Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad way. Not changing his attitude and consistently being a show off with one odd performance in 5 games and always goes missing in the pressure games. Won't mind if he is sent into oblivion for another 2 years again. I hope he is disciplined and if he doesn't learn now, should be discarded regardless of how much potential he has.

Should have bowled 3 overs with Shaheen upfront. They brought in Hasan and Rauf who went for 10 plus and shifted the momentum.


Others did well, except for that Hafeez weird double bounce delivery.

I won't blame it on toss. We just lost our way on our own. Credit to Wade and Stoinis who delivered well above expectations.

This was the best chance for us to win a wc. Ruined by a narrow margin due to carelessness.

I don't really have any hope for the wt20 in australia. We don't have any players to succeed there.

Guess I'll be off PP and Social Media for some time now. This loss hurt like the 2012 semi against SL. 2010 semi was far worse though.
 
Hafeez’s first ball of his first over and Imad’s second over were critical. Too many runs given and not enough runs scored off the 19th over from Cummins
 
Hassan Ali let me down for sure I really had faith in him for the big game but I guess PP folks were correct on this one for sure. Dropped catch was cruicial
 
Hasan going Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad way. Not changing his attitude and consistently being a show off with one odd performance in 5 games and always goes missing in the pressure games. Won't mind if he is sent into oblivion for another 2 years again. I hope he is disciplined and if he doesn't learn now, should be discarded regardless of how much potential he has.

Should have bowled 3 overs with Shaheen upfront. They brought in Hasan and Rauf who went for 10 plus and shifted the momentum.


Others did well, except for that Hafeez weird double bounce delivery.

I won't blame it on toss. We just lost our way on our own. Credit to Wade and Stoinis who delivered well above expectations.

This was the best chance for us to win a wc. Ruined by a narrow margin due to carelessness.

I don't really have any hope for the wt20 in australia. We don't have any players to succeed there.

Guess I'll be off PP and Social Media for some time now. This loss hurt like the 2012 semi against SL. 2010 semi was far worse though.
 
Hasan Ali just dropped the World Cup. Not his fault though. The guy has been dreadful from ball one in the World Cup, worst player in every game. yet they kept playing him and didn’t give anyone else a go. Was obvious it was going to catch up with them.
 
We were 20 runs short. 190 would have won us the game.

Hassan Ali has been poor throughout this tournament, he has leaked runs and bowled alot of no balls.
He isnt the same Hassan Ali from Champions Trophy.

Asif Ali going at it from ball 1 when he could have just played a couple dots and gone berserk in the penultimate overs.

Hafeez bowling that dead ball was unexpected.

Guess we can't outplay Australia when it comes to knockout stages.

Alot of positives from this tournament though so not all is lost.
 
No it was not the toss. Pakistan do had a genuine chance to win it despite bowling second.
Finch was removed early. Shadab has a spell of lifetime.
We were pretty much in the game.

Not our day! I mean not only Hassan, even Rauf was expensive. Hafeez had a nightmare of an over. 2-3 time we missed the run-outs. Fielders not hitting the stumps. and that dropped catch of Wade in the end. A chain of unfortunate events !!!
 
Thank God...!
Wade has saved the humanity.
Pakistan fans were extremely overconfident.
This is what happen when you lose toss and bat first against any decent team.
Hopefully some fans are back to the earth..
 
At the toss. When Babar lost the toss...he lost the match. In Dubai you simply cant defend.

No point in blaming Hasan Ali.

Warner was wrongly given out...had he stayed back, Pakistan would have lost much before.
 
Hasan Ali straight up lost the match, terrible bowling and that missed catch sealed the fate. I am also a little miffed at Babar Azam, Imad should have bowled one more over. Spinners were doing the trick and he brought back Hasan.
 
It's complacency and not enough ruthlessness in the Pakistan selection camp. Pakistan winning 5/5 in the group stage yet not really caring to fix any issues from those wins has greatly cost them. They'd rather keep a winning team and please those being carried by others than experiment for a better bowling combination.

If you watch the India game again and some of the other games in the group where Pakistan bowled first, you'll see how badly the likes of Rauf and Hassan Ali got taken to the cleaners in some overs. But because of the batting + Afridi, issues like the lack of ability to be economical got brushed under the carpet. It was a mindset of "we won so there's no issues right?" and that's not a tournament winning mentality.

Hassan Ali has to be one of the worst performing bowlers in a Pakistan T20 event I've ever seen, he's living off CT 2017 performances and there's no other way to look at it. He's been a net negative everywhere but the field before this game, and even in the field he cost Pakistan tonight, yet not a single game was he dropped for someone like Wasim Jr.

Overall, I never felt confident that Pakistan would stop the Aussie onslaught. It's a huge red flag that even when Australia are taking maniac singles and skying shots, they still can hit boundaries whenever they feel like doing so. Shadab's 4fer was great but it felt like Pakistan's options for filling out the rest of the overs that weren't him or Afridi were poor, there was always a sense of "this over could leak runs" if they were not bowling. There was very much zero chance Pakistan was going to defend this total without Shaheen also taking multiple wickets again because the other bowlers cannot be relied on at the death.
 
Ba bar’s inning was slow. Should have bowled Hafeez against Wade. Wade had was poor against BD last series. Yes it was on slow gripping wicket but am sure they prefer pace than spin. Get the feeling Hafeez could have knocked Wade over!
 
Kroll said:
We were just beaten by the better team, not a lot we did wrong tbh.
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But Aus played like Trash and there was no dew. I have never seen Aus field like that, not to forget the amount of run out chances.
 
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Not having the right tactics to bowl to Wade and Stoinis. Misbah and Waqar should have been retained until the World Cup. They understood the players weaknesses and strengths better than anyone.
 
Congratulations to Australia.
176 was good score. You simply cannot drop catches in death. Simple as that
 
shah_1 said:
Cummins was bowling across the left hander and we were bowling on the legs


Some really poor tactics
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THIS….

even when Hasan Ali dropped the catch they needed 18 of 9. Shaheen bowling on the stumps was bizarre when all wade was gonna do is target that small boundary.
 
Hasan Ali:

1. his selection. i had posted before match to go with Nawaz over him and trap australia with spin, he would have helped put the screws on them once we had them 3/4/5 down, and likely caught simple catch too.
3. his bowling. most expensive in the match plus no ball as usual.
4. his fielding. captain clearly said it too in post match which i was bit surprised i thought he would say anyone can drop etc but it put it squarely on Hasan saying it was turning point and you have to take your opportunities.

that was basically 70% of the match in above 3. however, at the end Australia - esp Wade deserve credit for better cricket. they always being A game to knockouts and they showed it again.

hard luck.
 
Australia were the better side today. No shame in losing to this side. Stoinis and Wade were outstanding. Some poor deliveries and fielding helped but overall great batting with intent.
 
Hasan Ali:

1. his selection. i had posted before match to go with Nawaz over him and trap australia with spin, he would have helped put the screws on them once we had them 3/4/5 down, and likely caught simple catch too.
3. his bowling. most expensive in the match plus no ball as usual.
4. his fielding. captain clearly said it too in post match which i was bit surprised i thought he would say anyone can drop etc but it put it squarely on Hasan saying it was turning point and you have to take your opportunities.

that was basically 70% of the match in above 3. however, at the end Australia - esp Wade deserve credit for better cricket. they always being A game to knockouts and they showed it again.

hard luck.
 
Hassan Ali was the main reason we lost that game. His bowling is just poor and dropping such a simple chance. Had he taken that, we could well have been celebrating getting into the final.

We made very average players like Stoinis and Wade look great.
 
Pakistan played well, they will be gutted I agree, but this is what sport is all about. The better team won folks.

I think a couple of things can be highlighted, Pakistan had nothing to lose in the games against Namibia and Scotland so they could have tried out M Wasim or instead of Hasan Ali. Obviously because Hasan never looked in form throughout the tournament.

Other thing is at least for one game they could have tried Nawaz ahead of Imad Wasim.

It is easy to say in hindsight though. Some say why change a winning combination. So it works both ways.

Overall Pakistan have had a good tournament and they got a good pool of resources to build on. Let's not forget the likes of Dahani, Haider Ali, Usman Qadir who can all get into the mix.
 
They could have scored maybe 10-15 more runs. Hasan Alis bowling was really bad but that dropped catch really let everyone down. Kind of reminded me Muhammad Sami, just bad body language and lacking confidence. Overall, it was a good game and Aus may have won even if we had scored 190 or taken all the catches. It was a good tournament for Pakistan. Boys should be proud of themselves for getting this far.
 
Nothing went wrong. Pakistan is an average team and most of the players are average.

They just had a couple of great games and the expectations went through the roof.

Pakistan has only 3 top players - Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen, although the latter needs to improve his death bowling to be ranked among the world’s best fast bowlers.

Everyone else is mediocre.
 
Nothing went wrong except toss and due to that toss pak are in semi final and India aren’t ..as simple as that
 
I think there partly a mental element here. Pakistan have been in good positions in crunch matches against the Aussies over history and have always folded. This was a golden chance given it was in the UAE which Pakistan are competitive in.

Good bowlers will always go for runs in this format especially quickies. Afridi and Hazelwood are both good but they were thrashed. A good spinner is worth his salt. Where Pakistan lost it is having a non turning bowler like Imad.

If Pakistan are to compete they need a better spin option. I'd be saying goodbye to the old guard like Hafeez,Malik,Imad and Hassan Ali.
 
I feel 175 was a defendable total.

Pakistan didn't bowl with good discipline at times. Fielding was kind of bad too.

That Hasan's dropped catch was probably the turning point.
 
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Visaal-E-Yaar said:
Congratulations to Australia.
176 was good score. You simply cannot drop catches in death. Simple as that
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Na baby.

If it wasn't for Wade, someone else could have made those runs. Stoinis is even a bigger and more effective hitter than Wade can ever be. And he was on the wicket.

The actual problem?
We were thinking like you, and targeting 175 odd to feel good about ourselves.

During our batting, we NEVER had the intention to score 195+.

You cannot defend 176. Many of us knew we were short 20 odd runs. You still had 6 balls to go.

 
Toss. If you say catch drop then even Australia dropped catches. If you say bad bowling in patches then Australia didn't bowl well right from the start except for Zampa. Pakistan got both lucky and unlucky that they won both the tosses against Ind and Nz in group stages. Lucky because it made its path to semi final easier and unlucky because it prevented it from knowing the perils of bowling second.
 
Pakistan had a brilliant WC. That one catch by Hassan Ali could have changed everything. Dropping the catch ended up costing Pakistan the match.

T20 is such a game. 1 ball can change everything.
 
Should’ve had another 15 runs on the board, too slow in first ten overs when batting, missed run outs, Hassan Ali drops catch, our opening bowler gets smashed for three sixes in a row, Babar’s decisions on who to bowl and when during the match were very questionable. Absolutely gutted but proud of the boys for getting this far. You win some you lose some. Yes they bottled it today but that’s cricket. We should’ve won this but it happens. We move forward.
 
Mamoon said:
Nothing went wrong. Pakistan is an average team and most of the players are average.

They just had a couple of great games and the expectations went through the roof.

Pakistan has only 3 top players - Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen, although the latter needs to improve his death bowling to be ranked among the world’s best fast bowlers.

Everyone else is mediocre.
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3 is more than enough in today’s era. Shadab had a good match as well.
 
Well played pakistan.
This WC is cursed. Bat first and only a miracle can save you from losing. Pakistani fans were too stubborn to accept it, accepting it would have undermined the win against India.
However, once Pak lost the toss everyone knew deep down in their hearts, it's game over.
 
Mamoon said:
Nothing went wrong. Pakistan is an average team and most of the players are average.

They just had a couple of great games and the expectations went through the roof.

Pakistan has only 3 top players - Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen, although the latter needs to improve his death bowling to be ranked among the world’s best fast bowlers.

Everyone else is mediocre.
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This post pretty much sums it up. Pakistan played a few good games, but when they had to play a good Australian team the normalcy was restored.

This Pakistani team is well behaved team and it was sad seeing them lose. But it is just a cricket game.
 
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