The where did it go wrong versus Australia thread?

[iniqbal223]

Again I made points before for which man people have cursed me :


Our victories against India and NZ were lucky as we batted first; we all have seen how difficult it is to bowl second

No blame to players ; neither Hasan or Rizwan- Babar opening; they played their T20 careers like this before as well. Its all how conditions are so much reversed in second innings

 

[amvbfm]

Poor captaincy
Bringing in Hasan Ali instead of Imad after a decent over by Imad

indeed. not bowling out Imad was a huge tactical blunder. 2 more tight overs by Imad and Hafeez could've meant the run rate going up further and more importantly not needing to bowl 4 from Hasan and/or Rauf.

 

[BDfanforever]

It's T20 where you don't even get to utilize all 10 of your batsmen.
Taking 3 to 5 wickets means nothing in T20.

Chasing team gets huge advantage.
Required rate of 12+ is walk in the park even with just few wickets left.

All in all, pretty poor format to really analyze what went right and what went wrong.

 

[dani rana]

Winning combination mentality

 

[Lego20]

Toss, some exceptional batting from Wade, perseverance and temperament from Australia.
Poor bowling and catching from Hasan Ali.
Defensive batting from Babar Azam.

Pakistan played very well throughout the tournament including this match. The other side just had the extra edge to make it through.

 

[Snowflake]

Hafeez should have bowled the new ball to Warner.

Credit to Australia.

That's 1. To bowl Imad to Warner was mind-boggling

2 - Giving Hassan an over when we had 3 between Shaheen and Rauf. Kohli made the same mistake when he gave shami the ball over Bumrah.

3 - Hassan Ali. His last over brought Australia back and then the dropped catch sealed it.


So, in a nutshell it was Babar's poor captaincy and another bad day for Hassan.

 

[Snowflake]

Again I made points before for which man people have cursed me :


Our victories against India and NZ were lucky as we batted first; we all have seen how difficult it is to bowl second

No blame to players ; neither Hasan or Rizwan- Babar opening; they played their T20 careers like this before as well. Its all how conditions are so much reversed in second innings

I mean, you can say no player is to blame to prove your point but that doesn't really make it true.

Hassan had a terrible game, that's a fact. Babar made mistakes as a captain, that's a fact. So yeah, certain players can be blamed. 175 on this pitch was a winning score.

 

[shokz1408]

Apart from obviously Hassan Ali, the batting should have been much better, I believe they were 100 and something for 1 and they were just strolling along until quite late. Should have scored a few more runs per over until 15 overs. There were 9 batsmen waiting to bat still with big hitters coming. Chasing seems easy, Pak needed 190-200, should have got a few run outs, and got to take catches.

 

[imranq]

Love the posters who were hiding when Pakistan were winning and now come out of hibernation to call them a mediocre team. Its as if they were praying for Pakistan to lose. Losing is part of the game and we were ahead more than 80% of this game but lost to a historically clutch Australian side.. Yes we can blame players and come up with reasons as to why we lost but this same team went unbeaten through to the semi final stages and lost in a very close semi final.

Of course Indians will continue saying (as they already have in the above posts) that toss was a factor because it gives them the fake satisfaction that their team was out of the tournament because of the same reason. It is what it is. I would expect a extremely professional and talented Indian squad to not need any excuses but I guess all fans needs something to blame. And for them Pakistan losing batting first did just that. Good to see our mediocre talentless and lucky cricket team give such a big professional cricket nation some kind of internal satisfaction. Its quite flattering actually.

This loss does hurt but lets appreciate them for the way they played throughout. Whether they were mediocre or not, this team played brilliantly and deserve our praise. I am quite shocked that certain posters here continuously degrade not only Pakistan cricket but use that as a way to degrade the entire country and its people. Its immature and childish. But I guess we can all let this select few enjoy this moment of Pakistan's loss and chest thump and proclaim their supreme analytical skills when they were hiding all along. Enjoy.

 

[reversehook]

Hassan Ali. Any fool could see he would get smashed

wade did him a BIG favor by butchering shaheen instead of him...

 

[Kaptan]

The problem is. Team batting first are still not able to judge what is a good score on these pitches.
India scored 150+ and many believed it's enough to atleast compete if not win.
Then England scored 160+ and many believed it's enough to win.
Same thing happened today. I am 100% sure even if Pak would have score 190 they would have still lost.

 

[Abid Z]

I think seriously it was a fantastic match with both teams showcasing their weaknesses.

1) experience. Aussies have so much strategic thinking it’s unreal. How they bowled at the death with pace off and Cummins hardly bowling a bad ball was great to see. I realise fakhar did some clean hitting but still the pitch was screaming out for variations but afridi bowled 90+ Instead of bowling into the pitch with slower balls.

2) spin. Australia don’t play spin well, Pakistan don’t play spin well. It came down to whose spin bowling pair was more effective. We didn’t utilise enough of ours and they over-utilised their meagre spinners. Honestly if hafeez was in the team as an offie he looked less than club level today and imad still had an over left. Pace off was the way to go.

3) sloppy fielding. They dropped some, we dropped some. Their drops were not at crucial times but ours were and that hurt. They bowled no balls and so did we but ours were horrendous.

4) they looked like experienced professionals we looked like well trained cricketers. Lack of experience hurt.

Honestly I mean this sincerely we were better for losing as it’s been an eye opener for how good we are and how much progress we’ve made. The team looks like it’s turning a corner with some world class players.

 

[Rana]

1. The toss unfortunately (not in our control)

2. Babar and Rizwan slowing down after a decent powerplay up to the 10th over. They genuinely have no innovate shots against spinners turning the ball away from them. Zero creativity hence we easily get bogged down.

3. Maxwell being let off the hook with 3 cheap overs on his bowling

4. Cummins final over going for 3 (hats off to him, that was more down to his skill than our failure)

5. Overestimating Imad’s ability to deal with Warner. The record was always against him and there was no need to challenge this.

6. Hafeez’s bottle job no ball six. That was just pathetic

7. Hassan Ali proving to be a complete bottler with a chicken heart. I don’t mind a bowler getting smashed, but continuously not getting the basics right, bowling another no ball in a crunch situation was unforgivable.

8. Pakistan’s lack of not hitting the stumps at run out attempts. Missed out on some very easy run outs just because we have traditionally been poor at hitting the stumps during run outs.

 

[GenericBrand]

A lot of people seem to be overlooking Cummin's 19th over which only went for 3 runs.

 

[jawwada]

Pakistan needed 200 runs and did not score enough runs between 6-10. That is where this went wrong. You can blame the bowlers but new zealand did the same to england yesterday, we needed 200 and the approach was conservative after no wicket down in the power play. Too many dot balls were played

 

[JaDed]

The problem is. Team batting first are still not able to judge what is a good score on these pitches.
India scored 150+ and many believed it's enough to atleast compete if not win.
Then England scored 160+ and many believed it's enough to win.
Same thing happened today. I am 100% sure even if Pak would have score 190 they would have still lost.

It unfortunately is true but the very reason PCT got 170 was also due to some very shabby fielding and catching by Aus.

Aus gave enough run out chances till Hassan Ali drop catch.

The match was again of poor quality similar to previous semifinal (entertaining though).

175 was a good enough total but they had to take chances.

 

[pillionrider]

The bubble burst.

Pakistan were playing in home conditions where they've been unbeaten since 2016.

Some of their arrogant fans got carried away with this covering up the fact that they only have two seriously world-class players in Babar and Shaheen. And Rizwan maybe looks world-class in these conditions. The win against India and subsequent blowing away of other teams made some people get really carried away with their team's performance.

Getting booted out of a tournament like India did is one thing. To be given false hopes and then get thrashed will take some time to get over [MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION]

 

[dhawan]

In spite of getting the free wicket of Warner, who was playing brilliantly until that point, Pak couldn't close the game. They were overconfident after winning against a very tired and lethargic Indian team.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

The bubble burst.

Pakistan were playing in home conditions where they've been unbeaten since 2016.

Some of their arrogant fans got carried away with this covering up the fact that they only have two seriously world-class players in Babar and Shaheen. And Rizwan maybe looks world-class in these conditions. The win against India and subsequent blowing away of other teams made some people get really carried away with their team's performance.

Getting booted out of a tournament like India did is one thing. To be given false hopes and then get thrashed will take some time to get over [MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION]

This is the Pakistan's best chance to win in home conditions.

 

[JaDed]

I’m going to be reminding Pak posters about this match everytime they cry conspiracy against ours.

Except for Wade’s 3 sixers this was the worst Aus performance in years in terms of basics.

 

[pillionrider]

I’m going to be reminding Pak posters about this match everytime they cry conspiracy against ours.

Except for Wade’s 3 sixers this was the worst Aus performance in years in terms of basics.

Do you think it would hurt less if it were Warner or Maxwell.

But Wade ....

 

[PakLFC]

No Pak were not over confident or anything like that. Going in to the last three overs I was confident we'd win it by a decent margin. It was the Hasan Ali drop again that cost us the match after which Wade hits three sixers. I recall another crucial match where Hasan let us down dropping a sitter too. This guy is a poor fielder incapable of performing when the pressure is on.

We scored enough runs on what was not a belter for batsmen. Another reason is like other sides we are to slow off the mark, should be near 100 after the opening ten overs against a side like Australia. Babar really needs to think hard if he believes Pak can't do without Hasan Ali. He gives away plenty of runs and is a terrible fielder. Any other fielder would have swallowed that catch, no problem.

What I want to know is how did Indian's here celebrate Pak's loss? Speak honestly.

 

[street cricketer]

You can pontificate endlessly on the reasons for the defeat, but the fact is that T20 cricket is such a volatile format that that anything can happen in one off games. I see a lot of posters saying the better side won and I can't help but chuckle. Eng and Pak are comfortably better T20 sides than NZ and Aus, but the reality is that both Eng and Pak have been eliminated, while Aus and NZ, the last two sides I would have predicted making the final before the tournament started, have did just that (perhaps Aus more so than NZ who are pretty decent).

Aus barely care about T20 cricket and it's the format they're least interested in. Pak and Eng are two sides who have given a lot of attention to their short form sides and yet it is them who have been eliminated. Sometimes you need the rub of the green to go your way and it was not with Eng or Pak in the knockouts. Funny thing is, before the tournament started, I thought Ind, Eng, Pak and WI to some extent were the strongest sides (and I still believe so even now) and one among these 4 were the favourites to win the world cup but all 4 of them have been eliminated. The better team almost always wins in Test cricket due to the lengthy duration of the format and the superior team generally prevails in the end. Even ODI world cup produces the deserving winners mostly, but obviously less so than Test cricket. But T20 cricket is such a fickle format that not always the best teams win and it's one of the reasons I can't take this format seriously.

 

[Giannis]

The problem is. Team batting first are still not able to judge what is a good score on these pitches.
India scored 150+ and many believed it's enough to atleast compete if not win.
Then England scored 160+ and many believed it's enough to win.
Same thing happened today. I am 100% sure even if Pak would have score 190 they would have still lost.

No everyone knows anything less than 180 is subpar and anything less than 190 is not a winnable score, most Pakistani fans were aware towards the end of the first innings that we were 20 odd runs short a good total.

 

[RexRex]

I had a feeling Pakistan would choke bigggggggg time. The Aussies are battle hardened big game players. Now watch them crush the Kiwis in the final

 

[Uzi]

This is the Pakistan's best chance to win in home conditions.

Home conditions in Dubai? It's not Pakistan.

The Indians had the IPL in the UAE just before this world cup so you'd think they would have had the perfect prep for the world cup and look how that turned out.

 

[Sarwar89]

Pakistan were minimum 30 runs short today.

They were ahort of 4 sixes and a four.

I mentioned yesterday that Pakistan needs to
Hit 11 to 12 sixes minimum

We hit only 8 and that too by 2 players only.

Reason is we didnt target Maxwell and Zampa.

India at Wankhede in 2016 were 20 runs short due to Ajinkya Rahane’d Slow innings.

 

[JaDed]

I had a feeling Pakistan would choke bigggggggg time. The Aussies are battle hardened big game players. Now watch them crush the Kiwis in the final

Lol@ battle hardened, the amount of basic mistakes they did today in field that statement seems like a joke.

 

[Charmander]

Thank God...!
Wade has saved the humanity.
Pakistan fans were extremely overconfident.
This is what happen when you lose toss and bat first against any decent team.
Hopefully some fans are back to the earth..

pakistan lost a close game after putting up a decent total. India lost by 10 wickets. You really think you did something huh?

 

[Sarwar89]

No everyone knows anything less than 180 is subpar and anything less than 190 is not a winnable score, most Pakistani fans were aware towards the end of the first innings that we were 20 odd runs short a good total.

Not 20

Pak were 30 Runs short.
Watch highlights of West indies v Australia 2012 semi final
How Gayle + Pollard slaughtered Australia.
205 they put.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Quite a bit. Missed 3 run out chances. Hasan Ali bowled poorly. We didn't used our spinners well except for Shadab. We actually had at least 5 moments in the game where we could've almost sealed the deal but we kept letting Australia off the hock.

 

[Sarwar89]

pakistan lost a close game after putting up a decent total. India lost by 10 wickets. You really think you did something huh?

Pakistan fans have every right to be confident whenever they step on ground.

4 Field Hockey World Cups
1 ODI world cup, 1 T20 world cup, 1 ICC champions trophy, Nehru Cup

Plus not losing a single Test Match v India from 1979-1999 (20 years).

Pak is a brave and performing nation. They might win next year’s T20 world cup who knows or ODI World cup in 23.

 

[Ami]

We are and were always a semi final side at best and that too under UAE conditions...and thats what we accomplished.

Secondly, it was risky playing 2 out of
touch players...Fakhar paid off but Hasan didnt.

His mediocre bowling led to a dropped catch...but still, going forward, we need to:

1) Think about Malik and Hafeez (unfortunaty they aint going anywhere until and after Aus T20 WC 2022), if they did who would you call?

2) Hasan Ali needs to rethink his T20 game.

3) Fakhar needs to be better utilised...open with Rizwan may be...Babar can make better use of middle overs than he can and Fakhar will be more useful in first 6 overs than Babar.

 

[the Great Khan]

Just gotta give it to wade..but I felt we were about 15-20 runs lite. Also bowling hasan in the second power play was a big risk. But these are minor things at the end of the day we played really well and made the world take notice. Back in the groove and they made us proud. I'm happy with this tournament. We made the big three and their pundits remember us again..Well done Boyz.

 

[Swashbuckler]

T20 is a fluke format, Pakistan played the best cricket this time and couldn't make the final.

Aus and NZ would lose to Pak/Eng 8 out of 10 times in this format, in any venue across the world.

 

[Snatch]

Guys - start accepting that there are small margins in this T20 game. Both teams played well, Australia slightly better on the day. Credit to Wade, that was almost perfect from him at the end and not sure Pakistan or Afridi did a lot wrong. Obviously a dropped catch, but that can happen, and Aust also had some blunders in the field.

While I do feel a little bad for Ali, I will say if it was going to happen to anyone it might as be the player who does the stupid over the top wicket celebrations.

 

[Kroll]

But Aus played like Trash and there was no dew. I have never seen Aus field like that, not to forget the amount of run out chances.

Fielding errors do happen, didn't think it was awful, Smith's chance wasn't too straight forward as he had to run to the ball.

Australia always seemed to be ahead in the run chase even when wickets fell. Outclassed and out fought I would say.

 

[RexRex]

.. the amount of basic mistakes they did today in field that statement seems like a joke.

Mistakes don't matter. As the great Rocky would say, 'It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward.'

Aussies ain't quitters.

 

[PakPremi]

Basic captaincy errors by Babar and Hasan Ali poor performance, and to top it up Hafeez bowling a poor over covered with no ball free hit and a wide too.
Babar has set formula where he always bowls last six or seven overs with pacers even when the spinners are doing well and bit completed their quota. Imad should have completed 4 overs and then Hasan would have been needed for just one over. When you know Hasan is guaranteed to bowl a no ball and couple easy hit balls, why would you risk bowling him two at the death. Pak was also 15 runs short due to getting bogged down by Maxwell, and losing wickets of Asif and Malik in quick succession. In the end Wade and Stonis kept their nerves and played the situation well and Wade experience in IPL helped with his execution of his shots.

 

[Charmander]

You can pontificate endlessly on the reasons for the defeat, but the fact is that T20 cricket is such a volatile format that that anything can happen in one off games. I see a lot of posters saying the better side won and I can't help but chuckle. Eng and Pak are comfortably better T20 sides than NZ and Aus, but the reality is that both Eng and Pak have been eliminated, while Aus and NZ, the last two sides I would have predicted making the final before the tournament started, have did just that (perhaps Aus more so than NZ who are pretty decent).

Aus barely care about T20 cricket and it's the format they're least interested in. Pak and Eng are two sides who have given a lot of attention to their short form sides and yet it is them who have been eliminated. Sometimes you need the rub of the green to go your way and it was not with Eng or Pak in the knockouts. Funny thing is, before the tournament started, I thought Ind, Eng, Pak and WI to some extent were the strongest sides (and I still believe so even now) and one among these 4 were the favourites to win the world cup but all 4 of them have been eliminated. The better team almost always wins in Test cricket due to the lengthy duration of the format and the superior team generally prevails in the end. Even ODI world cup produces the deserving winners mostly, but obviously less so than Test cricket. But T20 cricket is such a fickle format that not always the best teams win and it's one of the reasons I can't take this format seriously.

yes i agree with you. T20 is just entertainment. nothing else. 20 overs cannot determine the better team. only determines who can hit the hardest.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Reasons for loss.

1) let Aussies 5th bowler get away with 3 easy overs from maxwell

2) our batters played zampa pretty poorly

3) cummins over at end off inns was shambolic.

even so we should have defended 175.

4) using imad in PP when warner was in. why not use hafeez?

5) picking hasan ali to play, then give him 4 overs

6) not giving imad his 4th over when stonis and wade were rebuilding

7) pakistan sloppy fielding

8) poor death bowling, bowling length balls mainly which there were to be smacked

9) babars poor use of bowlers and when they were used.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

I think both Imad and Shadab faced 0 balls in the tournament. Easiest metric to see that a team has been far too conservative with the bat. Reminds me of Hardik Pandya and his absurd number of DNBs in his first 2-3 years in the India T20 team.

 

[street cricketer]

yes i agree with you. T20 is just entertainment. nothing else. 20 overs cannot determine the better team. only determines who can hit the hardest.

It's one of the reasons why I can easily get over a T20 tournament loss, but can get hung up for weeks over an important Test series loss.

I still sometimes think about the drop catch of Cook by Dhawan in the slips at Southampton in 2014

 

[shamaan]

No where. We played good cricket, but the opposition came out on top.

If we start looking for reasons than those are just excuses.

People will say we didnt score good runs, but we made a decent total. Some will say we cant play pressure situations, but Pakistan held itself well in pressure situations to the point that they took very very very difficult catches.

If anyone comes here and bashes Hasan Ali they need to know that ICC champions trophy was won because of him. The guy got smacked around and he was low on confidence. I dont believe one drop catch lead us to losing the match.

Top effort by Pakistan, but Australian attittude of going till the last ball is what lead them to winning the game.

That's why I was voting for a change in bowling in the last 2 games he was also bowling at snails pace.but nevertheless Pakistan played well.

 

[wrongun]

Too many dot balls when batting?
Some missed 4 balls when batting?
Hassan Ali's bowling?
The dropped catch of Matthew Wade?

Other(s)?

I think the latter 2.

The batting went pretty much to plan- big runs from the top order and someone (Fakhar this time) adding the icing on the cake down the order. You could nitpick and say Babar could have accelerated a bit more, got it into a 180s score. But the batting wasn't the issue imo. It was an 8/10 batting effort.

Hasan blinked in the big moments. And then the match was gone.

 

[shamaan]

Not bowling Afridi earlier.

They could have killed the game if they brought him to bowl the 16th. Needing 15 from there would have been too much.

Shaheen should have bowled 3 overs upfront.

 

[in_cutter]

Mental block vs Aus plus questionable decisions.

Nevermind. It’s done

 

[Savak]

Pakistan when they beat England in a T-20 in England this year, they had to bat out of their skins and score 230 plus. Food for thought, whenever you are playing against gun T-20 sides like England, Australia, you have to aim big runs as they have the fire power to chase 170-180 totals.

 

[Sarwar89]

Pakistan when they beat England in a T-20 in England this year, they had to bat out of their skins and score 230 plus. Food for thought, whenever you are playing against gun T-20 sides like England, Australia, you have to aim big runs as they have the fire power to chase 170-180 totals.

Exactly that is what i have been saying
Minimum 210+ against Gun sides.

India did not score 210 at Wankhede against West indian battery and paid the price.

 

[shamaan]

Review of Pakistan performance.

They didn't attack Maxwell enough and stuttered after the powerplay.

Shaheen should have bowled 3 overs upfront.
Hafeez should have bowled another over.
2 tight calls went Australia's way.
Hassan Ali looked tired or injured bowled at less than 87 MPH.
Hassan Ali dropped a catch.
Pakistan stock to Plan A and bowled Imad straight away.

 

[Buffet]

Pakistan was 160/3 after 19 overs.

With so many wickets in hand, sides should have gotten more runs in 19 overs. If not for a great last over, it would have a 160s score in 20 overs.

Anyway, it is just a T20 game. Any team can win. It seems toss is also a huge advantage on these grounds. It is easy to chase.

 

[Grunge101]

To me the number one reason was INFLEXIBILITY.
1. Going by the same pre conceived plan of who bowls which overs and not adapting
Hasan Ali in current form should never have been allowed to bowl all 4 overs. He's been struggling since the start of WC and it was just plain naive to expect him to come up with a miracle performance out of nowhere.

2. Imad shouldnt have bowled his second over to Warner. Everyone knew his stats against Warner and going with Rauf/Hafeez would have been a much better option.

3. Shaheens predictability at the death overs. Looking at Wade's premeditation, it was clear he knew Shaheen was going to try either one of two options. A fast Yorker or a slower length ball and Shaheen bowled right into trap. A 90mph ball targeting the top of off stump would have mixed things up much more. Rauf showed that the previous over.

 

[Hasan]

Given the short nature of the format winning important aspects of the game are critical. The dropped catch was the single most important moment of the game.

 

[shah_1]

Our death bowling is crap. We got spanked by Afghanistan at the end as well. It has been a trend for a last year or so. Last time I saw great death bowling from Pakistan was Wahab against England in 2020

 

[realitygaf]

Waqar younis statement post match tells it all why Pakistan suffered until his coaching:

"Dropped catches are part of the game we shouldnt blame Hassan Ali"

wut... It is the pivotal moment which deflated the whole Pakistan team. everyone was on their knees when it happened. it knocked the sail out of Pakistan and shaheen could have been pumped up to deliver blows to new batsman instead of half volleys up front.

this loser mentality is why Pakistan cannot grow into the team it was in the 90s

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

The funny thing is Australians does not care much for t20is. Johnson was criticising players and CA to prioritise t20 wc over ashes. He wanted main players to skip the World Cup and play shield.
On the other hand pcb and Pakistan live and breathe t20 cricket. This is the only format where they can compete with top teams as they have been blown away in test matches overseas.

 

[nextover666666]

From start to finish their so many things that went wrong, and yes you can blame Hassan Ali for the bad performance and missed catch but he was not the only one who played bad, we also have to give credit to the Australia despite wickets falling and pressure, they held their nerves and backed their abilities.

 

[jnaveen1980]

The funny thing is Australians does not care much for t20is. Johnson was criticising players and CA to prioritise t20 wc over ashes. He wanted main players to skip the World Cup and play shield.
On the other hand pcb and Pakistan live and breathe t20 cricket. This is the only format where they can compete with top teams as they have been blown away in test matches overseas.

Yes. Among the test nations Australia is probably the one team that pays very less importance to world T20. They play some C team in bilaterals. Get together for world T20 and play. They never gel in T20. But the format is a lottery format. You just need to have a couple of good overs.

 

[hass]

Fielding let us down tonight with run out chances and a dropped catch. Some big mistakes under pressure with the ball too (no balls, double bounce etc). T20 is a punishing format and you have to give Australia credit for their aggressive batting.

Shadab and the batting unit gave us every chance. Captain gave too much responsibility to a visibly unwell Hasan Ali also.

 

[BakuGM]

In hindsight we can look back at various instances where we can say we lost the match but for me giving Hasan the 4th over was criminal when Imad had a over left and his last over was a very good one. Missing direct hits for Stonis and Wade runout chance is criminal (should have been able to hit at least one) and than the dropped catch of Wade ended the game.

 

[globalcitizen]

I think pakistan scored 70 odd in first 10 and 100 odd in last 10 overs.
Once Australia scored 90 odd in first 10, there job was cut off for final 10 and win was evident irrespective of drama how they won

In reality pakistan needed 190 plus score if batting first with their openers taking more risk.

1) Toss
I have been saying this from very start, toss is playing a huge part but still surprised its become so biased even in finals
2) brilliant death bowling by Australia
3) no bowler other than shaheen and shadab were successful

 

[PakPremi]

Again I made points before for which man people have cursed me :


Our victories against India and NZ were lucky as we batted first; we all have seen how difficult it is to bowl second

No blame to players ; neither Hasan or Rizwan- Babar opening; they played their T20 careers like this before as well. Its all how conditions are so much reversed in second innings

So by that logic we were unlucky today as we bowled second today, rather than Warner, Stonis and Wade playing well.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Wow talk about coincidences !!. Smith dropped a sitter. Fakhar punished OZ with back-to-back sixes. Hasan dropped an easy one. Wade punished Pak with back to back to back sixes. Both are left-handed batsmen. Both punished left-arm seamers. If I remember right they both dropped the catch at the same fielding position?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Wade in this kind of scenario would have attacked Boult, Bumrah any bowler the same way. Not just the three sixes that put on the finish touch.Don't forget Wade/Stoinis had added 61 runs in 34 balls before that over. They were already in the zone.

 

[globalcitizen]

Pakistan had resources to score 190 plus but somewhere they did not have belief in their middle order.

Why babar always has this strike rate of 100 thereabouts , atleast change it once a while to give team a flying start. Yes he does score runs but they come at a price. He has all shots in the book to score briskly.

 

[Super Santi]

Have only read the opening 3-4 posts and missed most of the Pakistan innings.

List of potentially decisive moments for both teams

Pakistan
- Hafeez's 1st ball - gave Australia momentum. Also drained his confidence, could have got more out of him if the 1st ball had not gone so badly.
- Fielding - few 4's seemed to go through Pakistani fielders.
- Some good missed run-out chances, hard to criticise too much but in the modern game a lot is expected of fielders, could have taken one of them.
- Hasan Ali's bowling in general.
- Hasan Ali's dropped catch.

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Australia
- Steve Smith holing out - felt like it gave Pakistan some momentum when Australia appeared to be in a position to take the game away from Pakistan. Australia started that over well and felt like Smith could have played himself in for another 4-6 balls before looking to play big shots.
- Warner's strange dismissal.
- Stoinis got them back into contention with some good shots/brave shots when Wade looked like he was struggling.

 

[Kroll]

Pakistan when they beat England in a T-20 in England this year, they had to bat out of their skins and score 230 plus. Food for thought, whenever you are playing against gun T-20 sides like England, Australia, you have to aim big runs as they have the fire power to chase 170-180 totals.

Exactly that is what i have been saying
Minimum 210+ against Gun sides.

India did not score 210 at Wankhede against West indian battery and paid the price.

But but but we were told that 170 is a winning score in UAE.

 

[Cric1234]

But but but we were told that 170 is a winning score in UAE.

Them matches were against reserve bowlers of England that’s our level unfortunately in recent times smash Bowling of lower quality come up short against the best as we have seen yet again.

The great Babar Azam showed his limitations again unable to hit bowlers of higher quality needs to improve in future.

 

[cririket]

The problem is. Team batting first are still not able to judge what is a good score on these pitches.
India scored 150+ and many believed it's enough to atleast compete if not win.
Then England scored 160+ and many believed it's enough to win.
Same thing happened today. I am 100% sure even if Pak would have score 190 they would have still lost.

England and Pak both lost because of nerves
Jordan choked it for england and hasan did it for pakistan + some great batting by neesham and wade and unlucky ie bairstow catch and hassan drop

 

[cririket]

But but but we were told that 170 is a winning score in UAE.

The score was really good we were a warner wicket away from victory after that some bad decision like hasan over imad for his last over and hasan choking did it
Hasan has dropped two important matches catched before too was one in a test and another i can't remember,he takes some good one but i won't trust him to hokd his nerves when the going get tough

 

[ElRaja]

1. innings pacing: babar and riz should only open when chasing, batting first babar should open with an aggressive batsman and riz should come in whenever babar gets out. one batsmen at the crease should always be a hitter (easier said than done since there are no obvious hitters in the pak teams)

2. defensive bowling: carrying on from point 1, pak dont appreciate that the level of aggression should be brought forward maybe 3 overs. whenever pak gave away a free hit (and they gave lots) they followed it up with a good ball, but between overs 14 to 17 theres was too much regular bowling.

3. slower balls: all the pak players bowl off cutters as their slower balls, i can see hassan and shaheen change their grips on the tele, im pretty sure the batsmen can pick them up. need to start bowling knuckle and back of the hand balls.

 

[KP From India]

Ind were poor against NZ and Pak. But toss plays its role in T20s unless the wicket is slowing down or a greentop.
Also, Ind is pretty average T20 team and I expect them having around only 35% chance of winning against the likes of Nz and Pak.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

indeed. not bowling out Imad was a huge tactical blunder. 2 more tight overs by Imad and Hafeez could've meant the run rate going up further and more importantly not needing to bowl 4 from Hasan and/or Rauf.

Warner took Imad to the cleaners that gave them momentum...

 

[Sunzi]

- Didn't score enough. Ran well but couldn't dominate Aus bowling in the middle overs. Allowed Zampa to get through his first 3 pretty economically.

- Didnt find the boundary enough. Many big shots dropping short of catches, going to fielders. Runs felt like they came through 1s and 2s when a boundaries were needed.

- Warner tucking into Imad.

- Hafeez's over. Needless.

- Hassan Ali quota.

- Hassan Ali catch.

- Possibly toss as it's been a factor all tourney but it didn't seem influential last night or in the other semi.

 

[zulfiqar]

There was no one particular moment that lost us the game. Scoring more, capitalizing on runout chances and taking that last catch are all fair points, but I believe 176 was enough to win in a semifinal on this pitch. Also, posters here saying that the game was lost at the toss are being disingenuous and most likely are sour supporters of teams that haven't qualified and conveniently using this as an excuse.

The #1 reason where it went wrong: Babar not realizing that spin was the key today.
There's no excuse really, he himself batted against Maxwell and saw how our batting was unable to score freely against the slower bowlers. He saw Shadab was getting wickets from the 1st over and that Harris/Hasan struggled in their 1st overs respectively. Hafeez bowled one freak no-ball that went for 6, which cost him 9 runs for his 1st ball - he could've still bowled well and given OZ batsmen trouble! What about giving Imad another over after he bowled well after Warner's dismissal? Babar completely miscalculated here - which is strange given that subcontinent teams pack more spinners precisely because they do well in subcontinent conditions! He missed at least 2 overs of spin, which would've relieved him the pressure of bowling out Harris/Hasan - which could've been invaluable at the death.

 

[amvbfm]

Warner took Imad to the cleaners that gave them momentum...

referring to overs 14 and 15. Imad had one bad over, Hasan was a disaster for the majority of the tournament. It was stupid to believe he would be able to bowl two good overs at the end. Also not bowling spinners in 14 and 15 meant Babar had no flexibility for the last 5 overs.

 

[Kaptan]

No everyone knows anything less than 180 is subpar and anything less than 190 is not a winnable score, most Pakistani fans were aware towards the end of the first innings that we were 20 odd runs short a good total.

How many teams scored 190+ batting first (excluding against minnows) ?
If I am not wrong only SL and SA were able to set a target of 180+ and ended up winning.

How can 180 be sub par when even teams like England and India where not able to achieve that throughout the tournament ?

 

[Mamoon]

Didn’t win toss. Pakistan would have been smashed by India, New Zealand and perhaps even Afghanistan had they batted first.

 

[dravidthewall]

Didn’t win toss. Pakistan would have been smashed by India, New Zealand and perhaps even Afghanistan had they batted

Pakistan lucky to win toss both the times.

 

[Titan24]

Despite the toss which is sort of an advantage in T20 cricket almost everywhere as knowing the target makes things a bit easier in modern day cricket (If dew comes in then its a bonus), credit has to go to Aussies here especially David Warner. Its very possible to win despite the toss if you play good cricket but, Warner was able to hit some pretty decent balls out of the park and that provided the much needed momentum for Australia. Bowling was pretty decent to David other than a ball or two here and there but, he was just having that sort of a day.

Wade outplayed Shaheen a bit after that dropped catch (Not to forget Shaheen is still a young guy), Shaheen was bowling towards middle/leg stump as the boundary towards Wade's on side was longer than off side. However, Wade realized the plan after initial stutter and then was ready for his scoops and other shots on legside. Wade is a strong legside player but, it was probably a conundrum that whether Pak should have gone with strategizing by using longer boundary or Wade's strengths/weaknesses.

Both were pretty closely matched sides (Pak was a bit favorite in my opinion considering bowling variety) however, in the end Aus was able to produce some good cricket under pressure.

Its a sport and you cant always control the results despite all planning, tactics and momentum. Best whiteball team of last 5-6 years faced a similar sort of day in the first Semi.