"The wickets here take any technical deficiencies Kohli has out of the equation" : James Anderson

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"The wickets here take any technical deficiencies Kohli has out of the equation" : James Anderson

MUMBAI: Virat Kohli may be going through a purple patch of his international career but England fast bowler Jimmy Anderson took a slight dig saying that if Indian captain's technical glitches if any aren't visible because of the helpful Indian tracks which lacks pace and movement.

Anderson had made Kohli his bunny back in 2014 during the series in England where the batsman was repeatedly nicking away going deliveries outside the off-stump. With nearly 700 runs in this series, Kohli has punished England the most.

"I am not sure if he (Kohli) has changed. I just think any technical deficiencies he has got are not in play out here. The wickets just take that out of the equation. There is not that pace in the wicket to get the nicks, like we did against him in England - with a bit more movement," said England's highest ever wicket-taker in Test matches.

"When that (pace and movement) is not there, he (Kohli) is very much suited to playing in these conditions. He is a very good player of spin - and if you are not bang on the money and don't take your chances, he will punish you," Anderson did not hide what he felt about Kohli's technique on a day when the skipper scored a career-best 235.

But the veteran admitted that they could not execute their plans against Jayant Yadav despite being aware that he is a very capable batsman.

"We plan for every batsman -- from Nos 1 to 11. We have played three Tests now against Yadav, so it is no surprise - we knew he can bat very competently. We had plans for him. Sometimes they don't come off; sometimes you don't execute your plans well enough, as was the case today. I thought he played exceptionally well," Anderson lauded the rookie all-rounder.

He is hoping against hope that the England lower order will script a dramatic turn-around on the final day to save the visitors from another embarrassing defeat.

"We are going to come here tomorrow and try to fight our way back into this game if we can. We are 50 runs behind. If we can bat with the positive intent we showed today, there's no reason why we can't get a hundred ahead of them and then try to put some pressure on them with the ball," said Anderson after England had ended Day 4 at 182 for six, still needing to make 49 runs to make the hosts bat again.

Anderson conceded that their bowling in the morning was below par which enabled India to score 128 runs in 29 overs before lunch.
"It is immensely frustrating. Coming to the ground this morning, needing to get three wickets with them 50 ahead, if we could get them we are still well in the game. Unfortunately we didn't bowl as well as we could have first thing," he said.

"The ball started flying around this morning, and then they got settled and managed to put on a big partnership," added England's highest Test wicket-taker.

Although his team's top batsmen have found the Indian spin bowlers hard to tackle, Anderson said it can be done as was shown by Joe Root in his classy innings of 77 and Jonny Bairstow, who was unbeaten on 50 at stumps.

"I am not sure if they are too difficult to handle. They are obviously world-class spinners, but we knew the task ahead when we came over here. We knew it was going to be difficult.

"But I enjoyed watching Joe Root and Jonny Bairstow bat. I thought they did it with real positive intent, and showed you can still score runs out there," he said.

"We hope that is a given the lads down the order a bit of confidence going into tomorrow - because we're certainly not going to be trying to bat out for a draw. If we are going to keep this series alive, we're going to have to try to get past them and try to put some pressure on in the fourth innings," said Anderson at the cost of sounding impractical.

Asked whether the England spinners had improved, Anderson complimented leggie Adil Rashid in this respect.

"Adil, for me, has been the biggest improvement. Certainly he's shown he can be England's frontline spinner in the future."
Asked about his own performance in the series, Anderson said he was quite happy with the way he had bowled since returning after his injury lay-off but not with the meagre returns in terms of wickets.

"I have been happy with the way I have bowled but not happy with the amount of wickets I have got. That happens - especially in these conditions. It is tough. I would have liked more wickets," said the fast bowler who has taken just four wickets in three Tests he has played in the series so far.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/m.time...quation-Anderson/amp_articleshow/55926069.cms
 
Nice make sure to send some statements his way before the next Eng tour as well!
 
English players, fans,media think England is the only place where your performance counts. He has a better record than a majority of English players in Australia so he has no issues with fast bowling overall. England is the only place where he has failed in test cricket, most England players have struggled in subcontinent doesn't make them any less as player. In any case I'll back virat to get 2 plus centuries in the next England tour.
 
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These pitches have exposed Jimmy's weakness too.

Broad was superb on the same pitches where Jimmy failed. Even Yadav looked more penetrating than Legend Jimmy.
 
He's not wrong. There's no need to cry.

Right about Adil. He will come out a much better bowler after this series.
 
These pitches have also exposed jimmys glitches.

England and Australia aren't the only places you have to perform to be considered a good player.
 
Anderson is speaking sense. Ghar ka Kholi isn't really an improved player from 2014. Still fishing outside off like a pirate.
 
These pitches have also exposed how poor a bowler you are and your team outside home. Well, you aren't even winning at home these days. So you and your team is awful everywhere.

Kohli was never a great player in tests until this year. He was always good in ODIs. That's why he scored hundreds in England as well despite failing in tests. It's not that he was setting the world on fire in test matches at that time. You perfectly exemplify sour grapes.
 
These pitches have also exposed how poor a bowler you are and your team outside home. Well, you aren't even winning at home these days. So you and your team is awful everywhere.

Kohli was never a great player in tests until this year. He was always good in ODIs. That's why he scored hundreds in England as well despite failing in tests. It's not that he was setting the world on fire in test matches at that time. You perfectly exemplify sour grapes.

Tbh he has done fairly well on this tour despite being crocked at start of it

And his performances and record in Asia is there for all to see

Finally. Kohli had done very well in tests even before this year but has just one another level this time. People will say and are perhaps correct that its due to favorable conditions but its not like he didnt have that luxury earlier sometimes so you have to give him crdit
 
How do you like em apples, Jimmy? Your team got owned by Kohli.

It's bitter comments from both players and media that make this English team hard to love.
 
I saw the video. Its on Youtube.

It was a casual comment during an after game talk where Anderson was asked about various things.

Not aimed as a dig at Kohli.

He may feel Kohli may have certain weaknesses (due to 2014 results) but he may not know that Kohli's bat position, feet movement, feet position have all changed from 2014 series so it remains to be seen how he does there.

No worries either ways.
 
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I saw the video. Its on Youtube.

It was a casual comment only during an after game talk where Anderson was asked about various things.

Not aimed as a dig at Kohli.

He feels Kohli has certain weaknesses but he may not know that Kohli's bat position, feet movement, feet position have all changed from 2014 series so it remains to be seen how he does there.

No worries either ways.

I think this was the final Anderson v India though

He is 35 next year and I dont think he has many overs left
 
If you watch the actual interview, he says "the pace in the wicket takes any flaws he does have away" which in the end isn't really wrong. He goes on to praise Kohli's innings many times. This article is clearly tryiong to make it look like Anderson is taking shots at Kohli, where that isn't really true.
 
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Few hours back, I saw the video and found nothing offensive about it.

Now reading the article, it makes it look like that was the first thing that came out of Anderson's mouth and he was making excuses.

This is why people are so politically correct in media. Even a small thing can be twisted out of proportion.
 
I saw the video. Its on Youtube.

It was a casual comment only during an after game talk where Anderson was asked about various things.

Not aimed as a dig at Kohli.

He feels Kohli has certain weaknesses but he may not know that Kohli's bat position, feet movement, feet position have all changed from 2014 series so it remains to be seen how he does there.

No worries either ways.

Actually Botham also mentioned Virats lack of runs in England. Nobody considers the possibility of 'out of form ' when he toured England . He had scored a hundred earlier on a lively wanderers pitch. Also in New Zealand. But NO he has to score in England to be considered great. Joe Root was bad in Australia . Brian Lara against India.Dravid in South Africa .
 
Actually Botham also mentioned Virats lack of runs in England. Nobody considers the possibility of 'out of form ' when he toured England . He had scored a hundred earlier on a lively wanderers pitch. Also in New Zealand. But NO he has to score in England to be considered great. Joe Root was bad in Australia . Brian Lara against India.Dravid in South Africa .

I watched over an hour or two worth of Sky footage.

Trust me, all are raving about Kohli.

Including Botham. In fact, I found Botham giving balanced comments only.

Seems like they are blown away by 2 things:

1. Kohli
2. Skill set of Indian spinners (quite a bit of talk on what Ash and Jaddu seem to be doing with the ball)

In fact, they got so enamoured by both that they mentioned (multiple times in different days) it would have been amazing if they could see Kohli & Indian bats against Indian spinners for the entertainment value and see where exactly everyone stands.
 
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Converse is true as well. It exposes any deficiency fast bowlers have . Clearly Shami and Broad bowled better than Jamie.
 
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I watched over an hour or two worth of Sky footage.

Trust me, all are raving about Kohli.

Including Botham. In fact, I found Botham giving balanced comments only.

Seems like they are blown away by 2 things:

1. Kohli
2. Skill set of Indian spinners (quite a bit of talk on what Ash and Jaddu seem to be doing with the ball)

In fact, they got so enamoured by both that they mentioned (multiple times in different days) it would have been amazing if they could see Kohli & Indian bats against Indian spinners for the entertainment value and see where exactly everyone stands.

Just to add...during a LOT of analysis, they never resorted to under-mining any of the performers in any way. English media loves them performers. Will hype them (whoever they are) like crazy.
 
Tbh he has done fairly well on this tour despite being crocked at start of it

And his performances and record in Asia is there for all to see

Finally. Kohli had done very well in tests even before this year but has just one another level this time. People will say and are perhaps correct that its due to favorable conditions but its not like he didnt have that luxury earlier sometimes so you have to give him crdit

Before this year, the only series he played to his potential was that Australia tour. He was very inconsistent for the most part of his career in tests until NZ series. That double hundred against New Zealand was the turning point of his test career. You could watch the highlights of the innings and his patience, hunger, makeover were all there to see. I wasn't even surprised by inch seeing him piling up runs innings after innings in this series.

What's Anderson record in Australia, South Africa, New Zealand like? Worse than Kohli's stats in England if you see with context as those are somewhat favourable conditions to him but failed tour after tour. For Kohli, one has a point of saying his tour of England was just one off as he has had success in other countries. How do you justify Anderson's record?
 
Just to add...during a LOT of analysis, they never resorted to under-mining any of the performers in any way. English media loves them performers. Will hype them (whoever they are) like crazy.

Don't think that is the case at all. I have seen a lot bitter comments from them.

Aussies are much better in that regard.
 
Actually Botham also mentioned Virats lack of runs in England. Nobody considers the possibility of 'out of form ' when he toured England . He had scored a hundred earlier on a lively wanderers pitch. Also in New Zealand. But NO he has to score in England to be considered great. Joe Root was bad in Australia . Brian Lara against India.Dravid in South Africa .

Tbf it's not like Ponting in India or Dravid in SA weren't talked about when they were playing and touring these countries

If Kohli plays 100 tests and scores like he has (and continues failing in Eng) he will still be considered a ATG player
 
Don't think that is the case at all. I have seen a lot bitter comments from them.

Aussies are much better in that regard.

I didn't say no Englishman ever gave bitter comments.

I was talking about Sky analysts during this series.

And English media in general who love to hype their players or those who perform against them to the skies.
 
Tbf it's not like Ponting in India or Dravid in SA weren't talked about when they were playing and touring these countries

If Kohli plays 100 tests and scores like he has (and continues failing in Eng) he will still be considered a ATG player

But dravid and ponting were not enforced with a clause that they have to perform in Country X to be considered great.
 
I didn't say no Englishman ever gave bitter comments.

I was talking about Sky analysts during this series.

And English media in general who love to hype their players or those who perform against them to the skies.

Bob Willis is good. Vaughan as well and Atherton too.

Rest and most of their fanbase is quite bitter.

Lots of comments on bbc and guardian like

"I will be glad when India come to England so that we can bounce them off the pitch, crack a few heads open, and smirk at them as they go back to their country beaten badly."

"The appealing by the Indians and the pressure they put on the umpires is totally disgraceful. There were a couple decisions given against Bairstow that were farcical. Hang your heads in shame please."

"Owned by India? oh dear oh dear"


The Aussies on the other hand take these thrashings as their own failing and not a reason to come up with excuses or some casual xenophobia.
 
But dravid and ponting were not enforced with a clause that they have to perform in Country X to be considered great.

When Kohli has played 100 test matches the clause will disappear (assuming he doesn't perform there before which I think he will )
 
Bob Willis is good. Vaughan as well and Atherton too.

Rest and most of their fanbase is quite bitter.

Lots of comments on bbc and guardian like

"I will be glad when India come to England so that we can bounce them off the pitch, crack a few heads open, and smirk at them as they go back to their country beaten badly."

"The appealing by the Indians and the pressure they put on the umpires is totally disgraceful. There were a couple decisions given against Bairstow that were farcical. Hang your heads in shame please."

"Owned by India? oh dear oh dear"


The Aussies on the other hand take these thrashings as their own failing and not a reason to come up with excuses or some casual xenophobia.

Anonymous comments on news websites aren't a way to judge anyone.

Otherwise Indians are the most bitter, sore losers out there
 
Having stats that are pretty is not how a player is given status, its how he performs for his team.
 
Anonymous comments on news websites aren't a way to judge anyone.

Otherwise Indians are the most bitter, sore losers out there

I wouldn't call those online Indians necessarily bitter but more insecure and unable to read sarcasm.
 
Bob Willis is good. Vaughan as well and Atherton too.

Rest and most of their fanbase is quite bitter.

Lots of comments on bbc and guardian like

"I will be glad when India come to England so that we can bounce them off the pitch, crack a few heads open, and smirk at them as they go back to their country beaten badly."

"The appealing by the Indians and the pressure they put on the umpires is totally disgraceful. There were a couple decisions given against Bairstow that were farcical. Hang your heads in shame please."

"Owned by India? oh dear oh dear"


The Aussies on the other hand take these thrashings as their own failing and not a reason to come up with excuses or some casual xenophobia.

Comments on BBC and guardian?

Cmon dude.

Those are random people on the internet.

Not experts.
 
Tbf it's not like Ponting in India or Dravid in SA weren't talked about when they were playing and touring these countries

If Kohli plays 100 tests and scores like he has (and continues failing in Eng) he will still be considered a ATG player

Mate for the amount of times Ponting got to tour India and still not perform hopefully Kohli will atleast be given half those chances before being declared an English tour failure.
 
Comments on BBC and guardian?

Cmon dude.

Those are random people on the internet.

Not experts.

Both Botham and Boycott have mentioned it multiple times as well.

That said, if you are only talking about "experts", I will agree with you. Sky panel is generally very good.

All I was saying is that the average Aussie punter >> average English fan when it comes to fairly rating opponents.
 
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He's not wrong. There's no need to cry.

Right about Adil. He will come out a much better bowler after this series.

So someone who has performed all over the world is not technically right because only English series counts? This is why English board always have the upper hand in anything they want, sub-continent is too divided in its hate towards each other
 
Comments on BBC and guardian?

Cmon dude.

Those are random people on the internet.

Not experts.

The experts have constantly stated this - This Indian team is better than England in these conditions

When England wins at home, "these conditions" never come in. They have to be the sorest losers ever
 
I wouldn't call those online Indians necessarily bitter but more insecure and unable to read sarcasm.

English not being their first language makes it even worse as they cannot understand context and insecurity means they take everything personally
 
The experts have constantly stated this - This Indian team is better than England in these conditions

When England wins at home, "these conditions" never come in. They have to be the sorest losers ever

Agreed.

I have never heard the Aussies talk about "these conditions" even when they were losing in India with their best team ever. There was just a lot of unfiltered and unconditional praise for VVS and co.
 
The experts have constantly stated this - This Indian team is better than England in these conditions

When England wins at home, "these conditions" never come in. They have to be the sorest losers ever

Its all a narrative built in our heads.

Watch hours of footage of Sky and then see if you hold the same view.

In fact, I noticed them specifically saying...Indians were better than England in batting and bowling in these conditions in such a big margin that we are up against a side that is genuinely better than us.

The praise was genuine.

Not saying English experts don't hype up their players (they do) but I would strongly disagree that they didn't give due credit where it was due.

A few sentences (among countless analysis debates) with "in these conditions" don't mean much cos when they talk about Kohli or Ash, they never tried to under-mine them at all. Its about where you are coming from more than what your choice of word is during a casual comment.
 
Do people know how many times English analysts mentioned India is the number 1 side in the world?

Or how many times they mentioned Ash is the number 1 spinner/bowler in the world?

Without qualifications.

Watch Sky footage. Your opinion will change.

Adding qualifiers (in these conditions, in Asia, etc) is not wrong as long as they are not untrue. But it was NEVER done with a malicious intention and frankly not added while praising most of the times.
 
Do people know how many times English analysts mentioned India is the number 1 side in the world?

Or how many times they mentioned Ash is the number 1 spinner/bowler in the world?

Without qualifications.

Watch Sky footage. Your opinion will change.

Adding qualifiers (in these conditions, in Asia, etc) is not wrong as long as they are not untrue. But it was NEVER done with a malicious intention and frankly not added while praising most of the times.

But when comparison happens , they conveniently forget about their "greats" shortcomings
 
SIF; I watch a lot of both Sky and Ch 9 commentary on willow.

Ch 9 is a bunch of Ravi Shastris and are generally disliked as a result but they tend to be very effusive in praise for other teams and players. Called Kohli best batter in the world without bringing Steve Smith into it. Effusive in praise for Babar Azam.

Same for NZ commentators. They were talking about Ashwin as the most valuable player in test cricket at the moment. No need to bring extra qualifiers while doing so.
 
Mate for the amount of times Ponting got to tour India and still not perform hopefully Kohli will atleast be given half those chances before being declared an English tour failure.

Ofcourse there is a bias and it's undeniable that desi batsman have to work harder than English and Aussie ones to get same recognition

But it also has to with us fans and not just them. We rate our batsmen who do well abroad more
 
Ofcourse there is a bias and it's undeniable that desi batsman have to work harder than English and Aussie ones to get same recognition

But it also has to with us fans and not just them. We rate our batsmen who do well abroad more

Recognition from whom, players just play to be the best they can, players don't work or play for recognition from ex players doing commentary.
 
SIF; I watch a lot of both Sky and Ch 9 commentary on willow.

Ch 9 is a bunch of Ravi Shastris and are generally disliked as a result but they tend to be very effusive in praise for other teams and players. Called Kohli best batter in the world without bringing Steve Smith into it. Effusive in praise for Babar Azam.

Same for NZ commentators. They were talking about Ashwin as the most valuable player in test cricket at the moment. No need to bring extra qualifiers while doing so.

If they just had made a few random praise comments and went about undermining our performance in general, I would agree mate.

But they were really really genuine in their views and never undermined any of the performances.

In fact, they could have easily brought Ashwin's outside Asia stats and discussed (its another matter that comprises mainly of Aus tests but still)...or used his Rajkot failure to put him down...or they could have used Kohli's failure in England to say his performance here was great but its at home.

But they didn't do ANY of that.

Bob Willis started talking about Adelaide when asked about Kohli's overseas performances saying England was a failure but he did great stuff in Aus and the way he is batting now, he does look incredible and is the best batsman in the world.

Mark Butcher was like if you sleep and dream about playing like Kohli, you should wake up and apologize to yourself.

Rob Key was like raving about Kohli's 100+ average in T20s (which he did in World T20) talking about how someone can average so much in the riskiest form of the game.

Their general analysis (praise or criticism) was fair.

In fact, I would say Indian players were hyped up a bit. But that's classic English media. They hype their own and also hype the ones who do well against them.
 
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Kohli is rated very highly by English commies and cricket experts. Just sour grape syndrome for Jamie. It is not like Jamie struggled only against Kohli. He couldn't even get Ashwin or Jayant out before they scored big. Let us not forget how Jamie struggled against Shami and Bhuvaneswar at Lords.
 
Another way of looking at would be Jimmy couldn't overcome the challenge thrown at him by pitch conditions:)

Aren't good players required to perform everywhere?

Cough cough **
 
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Exact words spoken.

James Anderson - We couldn't find the formula to bowl on this pitch. I keep saying that they did play very well.

Ian Ward - They did play well. Certainly Kohli. Haven't come up with a plan that's working.

James Anderson - Its tough. We have some success against him in England. The pace of the pitch over here takes any sort of flaws he has got out of the equation. I thought he just played very well. He tries to stay patient and waits and waits and waits and obviously played spin very well and pitches like this suits him down to the ground.

Topic changes.

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This is the EXACT thing he said in an interview where many things were discussed and he was asked about Kohli.

Was he ignorant of Kohli's technical changes? Yes.

Was he speaking to put down Kohli? Absolutely not.

He was praising Indian batting and when asked about Kohli, he said they (as in pacers) couldn't do it for XYZ reasons and he played spin great.
 
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Yeah, mate.

You and five other bowlers can't bowl tail-enders out.

Your own team-mates can't score runs when the wickets are easiest after winning tosses.

Your country can't seem to produce five specialist batsmen who are test class and are saved by the all-rounder and wicketkeeper.

Don't have seamers who can bowl teams out in conditions that aren't helpful.

Think your home conditions are the standard of judgment.

Do you remember that you started in 2003, and couldn't bowl well enough in your own or foreign conditions to nail a place in your team?

And Kohli's had one go in England in his early development?

Yeah, definitely.

Kohli is definitely a flat track bully who can't play fast bowling and his centuries everywhere else are meaningless.

They'd be scoring 150 if they didn't have Root or Bairstow.

I'd be surprised if Kohli failed in England next summer.

Even if he does, he's shown he can play anywhere else.
 
To be fair, England is the only non-white/not South African team I actually care about and have since the early 90s.

And Kohli hasn't proved himself in English conditions yet but raised his game remarkably since.

From what I can tell with my imperfect sense of geography, I think the current series where the English are being hammered is being played in India.

It's just irritating that his sort of Englishmen think someone performing on their soil is the benchmark of being taking seriously.

Lara had 3 tests in India and just wasn't in a good place to perform.

No one doubts that Lara was one of the two best batsmen of the last thirty or forty years.

When someone has taken a lot of years to be worth a place in the side, he's the last person who can criticize anyone for one series early in their career where they struggled.
 
I see nothing wrong with what Jimmy has said. He did expose Kohli 's technique on that 2014 tour which many others did exploit later. He is batting at a different level right now and we will get to a clear picture whether he's found a solution only when Kohli plays in seam/sw8ng conditions.

When we tour Eng in 2018, expect Kohli to be fully prepared. As a captain he and Kumble will ask for everything - time to acclimatise, proper practice matches, preparation camps etc before the tours. He will take the challenge head on irrespective of conditions. Only tome will tell if all this results in a change of fortune.
 
Exact words spoken.

James Anderson - We couldn't find the formula to bowl on this pitch. I keep saying that they did play very well.

Ian Ward - They did play well. Certainly Kohli. Haven't come up with a plan that's working.

James Anderson - Its tough. We have some success against him in England. The pace of the pitch over here takes any sort of flaws he has got out of the equation. I thought he just played very well. He tries to stay patient and waits and waits and waits and obviously played spin very well and pitches like this suits him down to the ground.

Topic changes.

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This is the EXACT thing he said in an interview where many things were discussed and he was asked about Kohli.

Was he ignorant of Kohli's technical changes? Yes.

Was he speaking to put down Kohli? Absolutely not.

He was praising Indian batting and when asked about Kohli, he said they (as in pacers) couldn't do it for XYZ reasons and he played spin great.


Holding often discredited Sunny's runs in 1983 series by saying pitch conditions were easier for him. Gavaskar made 100 in 94 balls in the 2nd test at Delhi. Holding was not exactly thrilled. He also made 236 not out in Chennai in the same series. Kohli did well in SA and also in Australia. Both have much faster pitches in England. Only difference in England is condition. Kohli is playing far better outside the off stump these days.
 
I love it when jimmy has a poor day such a overrated bowler anybody remember 3rd test 2nd day against pakistan what he was doing:haha
 
I see nothing wrong with what Jimmy has said. He did expose Kohli 's technique on that 2014 tour which many others did exploit later. He is batting at a different level right now and we will get to a clear picture whether he's found a solution only when Kohli plays in seam/sw8ng conditions.

When we tour Eng in 2018, expect Kohli to be fully prepared. As a captain he and Kumble will ask for everything - time to acclimatise, proper practice matches, preparation camps etc before the tours. He will take the challenge head on irrespective of conditions. Only tome will tell if all this results in a change of fortune.

Such as?
 
So far Kohli has proved a lot of doubts wrong.

dominate in test matches? check

Average above 50? check

Score big at home? check

Make big 100's? check

Play in turning tracks? check

Score outside SC? Check (barring England)

Only doubt left. Cant wait for the next English tour.
 
Would love to see a rematch between Jimmy and Kohli in England. Hope Jimmy plays on till India's next tour
 
Jimmy gets too much hate from Desi fans

Dunno why! Maybe it's because he's made some of our greats look like mugs so many times over the years
 
Oh, Jimmy. You may be correct, but England had a lot of time to anticipate, prepare for this, and develop appropriate strategies.
 
Holding often discredited Sunny's runs in 1983 series by saying pitch conditions were easier for him. Gavaskar made 100 in 94 balls in the 2nd test at Delhi. Holding was not exactly thrilled. He also made 236 not out in Chennai in the same series. Kohli did well in SA and also in Australia. Both have much faster pitches in England. Only difference in England is condition. Kohli is playing far better outside the off stump these days.

it has always been fashionable to look down upon and ridicule Performances by Indians. Its like the big bully mentality ... "You are soo tiny why would anybody take you seriously ... anything you win is because people didn't take you seriously and weren't trying hard" .
 
Well it's true. Will fail in England next time.



aamir fluke performed once in england, in (in 2010 was it?) and gets bucket load of fans screaming for his return despite everything.

And on here on the other hand, we have a crazy good batsman who has performed everywhere, and is setting the stage on fire in every format, but.. he ll def not be able to turn the tables around cuz.. he failed on one tour.


Fascinating thinking pattern to say the least. :yk
 
Anderson has a point. Of course if Kohli has a technical deficiency against moving ball, it is not going to get exploited in India. However, Kohli has already performed well in Australia and SA. The only thing missing from his resume was the performance in India. So, I will give the benefit of doubt to Kohli.

However, it also shows how toothless is Anderson in conditions which do not suite him. That is why I do not rate him among the ATGs. He is just a GTB.
 
and what about english batsmen being clueless against spin??
 
Exact words spoken.

James Anderson - We couldn't find the formula to bowl on this pitch. I keep saying that they did play very well.

Ian Ward - They did play well. Certainly Kohli. Haven't come up with a plan that's working.

James Anderson - Its tough. We have some success against him in England. The pace of the pitch over here takes any sort of flaws he has got out of the equation. I thought he just played very well. He tries to stay patient and waits and waits and waits and obviously played spin very well and pitches like this suits him down to the ground.
Seems fair, respectful stuff from Anderson.
 
Seems fair, respectful stuff from Anderson.

It doesn't tbh.. He is giving main credit to wickets rather than player for making those runs.

But no one should mind it as it helps spice things up.
 
He's right, no need to be offended. Kohli has grown as a player and a person since 2014 but there are still questions over his ability to play quality pace bowling on pitches that are not roads. He's had these weaknesses exposed on a number of occasions, such as the 2014 test series in England, the ODI series in South Africa, Aaaney do series, etc. Technical deficiencies are not limited to one format.

So he does have much to prove on his next round of overseas matches, especially since it's unlikely the ECB, CA or CSA will be as accomodating next time around to team India.

Superb series for him in India though and has now left Rahane and Pujara in the dust. India's best player in all three formats.
 
If I'm not mistaken, he was asked a question by the press about whether or not Kohli had improved since 2014. You guys wanted him to lie about it?
 
Who cares if some foreign player or commentator or someone sitting in some random forum thinks Kohli is not that good and only performs on easy tracks.

All unbiased fans, those who know the sport know what Kohli has started doing. Since the 2nd test against NZ, Kohli has turned into a beast, and I dont think that fire will be dying anytime soon. For now, I am happy for him to muller these bowlers at home. When he travels, I am confident he will be prepared for all eventualities.
 
He's right, no need to be offended. Kohli has grown as a player and a person since 2014 but there are still questions over his ability to play quality pace bowling on pitches that are not roads. He's had these weaknesses exposed on a number of occasions, such as the 2014 test series in England, the ODI series in South Africa, Aaaney do series, etc. Technical deficiencies are not limited to one format.

So he does have much to prove on his next round of overseas matches, especially since it's unlikely the ECB, CA or CSA will be as accomodating next time around to team India.

Superb series for him in India though and has now left Rahane and Pujara in the dust. India's best player in all three formats.

What about the test series in SA?
 
He's right, no need to be offended. Kohli has grown as a player and a person since 2014 but there are still questions over his ability to play quality pace bowling on pitches that are not roads. He's had these weaknesses exposed on a number of occasions, such as the 2014 test series in England, the ODI series in South Africa, Aaaney do series, etc. Technical deficiencies are not limited to one format.

So he does have much to prove on his next round of overseas matches, especially since it's unlikely the ECB, CA or CSA will be as accomodating next time around to team India.

Superb series for him in India though and has now left Rahane and Pujara in the dust. India's best player in all three formats.

Except the England series, all other series happened 3 years back. He has since played the same teams in similar conditions and scored against them.
 
Jimmy gets too much hate from Desi fans

Dunno why! Maybe it's because he's made some of our greats look like mugs so many times over the years

Yeah, agreed. It would be understandable if he was getting thrashed out of sight in every direction in Asia, but it's not the case. Even in unfavorable conditions he may not run through sides, but walks out with respectable to decent figures.

This is also considering he is probably not operating at 100% for the latter half of this year after his injury.

In the last 2012 tour to India he was the pick amongst all the pacers playing the series.
 
What about the test series in SA?

Pitches during test series were flat because SA scored 350/400+ on them. But ODI pitches were swinging/seaming because SA scored 300+ in each and every match...oh wait..

On topic, the wickets seem to have taken out Anderson out of the equation too. Has currently taken 4 wickets in 3 matches at an average of 54.
 
Jimmy gets too much hate from Desi fans

Dunno why! Maybe it's because he's made some of our greats look like mugs so many times over the years

Not really one reason is because Desi fans expect their players to perform overseas so why not Jimmy?

Tbf he is defn an ATG bowler for England,he, Broad(and others) atleast made sure this team remain top class unlike the 90's team whom i grew up watching and were mighty ridiculous.
 
The experts have constantly stated this - This Indian team is better than England in these conditions

When England wins at home, "these conditions" never come in. They have to be the sorest losers ever


lol ,this is true .. as some one who has followed all 4 tests almost entirely through sky's coverage and post match analysis , the 'in these conditions' comes up every single time. Not sure what to make it , maybe you're right .. there probably is some bitterness.
Their idea of an ideal cricket pitch is still very eurocentric ..
 
He should be left alone. His team is being battered currently and he is being ignored by his own captain.
 
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