The Zodiac Killer: who else has been obsessed in finding out who he was?

[Rana]

Current side occupation. I am absolutely intrigued to know what exactly took place in San Francisco 1968-1974. One fascinating case that I hope is solved during my lifetime, although with each passing day it seems highly unlikely.

My fascination in this case began a couple of months ago when I accidentally came across the 2007 movie by David Fincher, mainly based on Robert Graysmith's research on the case. The actual reason for the obsession is born from the fact that this guy was never caught.

I don't want to go into the detail of the murders and attempted murders committed by this person or persons, but the fact that he would taunt the police with his cyphers, 3/4 that to this day have not been solved either. The handwriting and the thought process of the person. His absolute ability to not give away anything that could prove to be a fatal lead to his identity. My word, I hope technology is developed to crack the 340 code.

Also, some of the prime suspects. I would really love to discuss this case in detail with fellow Zodiac hunters as I am also one these days.

I will get the ball rolling. In my opinion,Arthur Leigh Allen could well have been the killer at Lake Berryessa, but he was not the killer at the Paul Stine scene and the two lovers lane murders.

 

[leatherface58]

Ted Cruz confessed bro.

 

[ManFan]

There is a lot of evidence to suggest it is Earl Van Best Jr.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Watch the movie 'Zodiac'. Amazing

 

[Rana]

There is a lot of evidence to suggest it is Earl Van Best Jr.

FBI confirmed there was no DNA match

 

[Snak3eye5]

I've been obsessed with this too ever since I saw the movie. Ive read a lot since then...it's intriguing but also sad they never got the guy. For all we know it could have been any of the people cops questioned earlier..

 

[Rana]

I've been obsessed with this too ever since I saw the movie. Ive read a lot since then...it's intriguing but also sad they never got the guy. For all we know it could have been any of the people cops questioned earlier..

TBH, it is too good to be just one person. My own theory is that this was the work of a brotherhood of killers, who probably formed their own cult and worked together to make sure that their was more than one DNA sample and possible sightings can always remain contradictory. For example, the attacker at Lake Berryessa was supposed to be heavy built and big, but the murder at the Paul Stine scene was not so big in size. However, the handwriting samples of both cases are thought to be of the same person.

 

[Snak3eye5]

Never thought it could be a group of people. In my mind then it would be even more risky and more chances to get caught. Too far fetched I think. Here I'm going with one person but nothing concrete to prove otherwise but a gut feeling...I also thought some of the witnesses who did get away only mentioned one person

 

[Rana]

Never thought it could be a group of people. In my mind then it would be even more risky and more chances to get caught. Too far fetched I think. Here I'm going with one person but nothing concrete to prove otherwise but a gut feeling...I also thought some of the witnesses who did get away only mentioned one person

Yes but the Police at the time also were baffled at how it was so difficult to pin down a single guy because the description of the supposed person varies at all scenes. So much evidence to pin down Arthur Leigh Allen for the Lake Berryessa attack. He was clearly there at the time it took place and he admitted to the police that he had bloody knives in his car that he apperently used for butchering chickens. But the witnesses at Paul Stine's murder described a man that didnt match Allen's description.

The guy who reported Allen (Don Cheney) is also a highly suspicious character

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Maybe it's Donald Trump?

 

[Rana]

The Earl Van Best JR link had mileage in it for some reason. Usually the FBI hardly consider any suspect, however in Earl's case they actually took in the supposed evidence for examination. Looking at the picture of the guy, the person looks to soft to have committed those crimes

 

[Major]

ah yes, the zodiac killer

always been fascinated with this case, and i have to say taht earl van best does match the description perfectly.

 

[Major]

but then again, you cannot only look at the picture only to pin point someone as the zodiac.

If you look at the pictures of Paul Stine, he also looked like the zodiac aswell

 

[in_cutter]

This & Jack The Ripper. Fascinating stuff.

 

[Rana]

I think the only way left to identify who the Zodiac was is to somehow break the 340 code and the 'my name is' code.

I am wondering, did the FBI ever consult cambridge mathmaticians to have a crack at the 340 code? If not cambridge, world class experts in maths would see the code differently as compared to to cryptology experts. They would probably see the pattern before the cryptologists would.

Also, I still feel those codes would not consist of his name, reason being that he sent them in straight after the first code was cracked, it would be too early to end the fun he was having.

 

[Major]

rosss sulivan is the new suspect that people think it was

 

[Rana]

Apparently a new Documentary claims that it will crack the Z340 code. Prime suspect is Ross Sullivan. A very strong suspect it must be said

 

[Rana]

but then again, you cannot only look at the picture only to pin point someone as the zodiac.

If you look at the pictures of Paul Stine, he also looked like the zodiac aswell

Lol, Paul Stine shot himself, cut a piece out of his blood steined shirt, walked down the road to the park

I think the movie in 2007 made it seem as if anyone who wore glasses at the time was a suspect. Even Graysmith's wife seemed very suspicious in the movie lol

 

[Major]

Lol, Paul Stine shot himself, cut a piece out of his blood steined shirt, walked down the road to the park

I think the movie in 2007 made it seem as if anyone who wore glasses at the time was a suspect. Even Graysmith's wife seemed very suspicious in the movie lol

remember, paul stine was the last murder

 

[Rana]

remember, paul stine was the last murder

The last murder and the biggest reason why the guy never got caught. Every serial killer gives that one chance, one moment or split second in which he is to reveal himelf, and Zodiac did so by staying at the scene long enough for him to be seen by people around the area. That was it, the Police arrived shortly after but only in the search of a black male instead of a white one

 

[Major]

The last murder and the biggest reason why the guy never got caught. Every serial killer gives that one chance, one moment or split second in which he is to reveal himelf, and Zodiac did so by staying at the scene long enough for him to be seen by people around the area. That was it, the Police arrived shortly after but only in the search of a black male instead of a white one

i cant believe that the guy left no dna behind.

 

[Major]

also what if the cryptic message he left have mistakes in them?

like it cant be possible that no one has ever tried to solve it.

 

[Rana]

i cant believe that the guy left no dna behind.

There was DNA left behind. A major theory is that he purposely left DNA behind that wasnt his own and that has been the reason why none of the strongest suspects ever get a match with him. This guy was too ahead of his time when it came to playing the police. Just too good for them

 

[Rana]

also what if the cryptic message he left have mistakes in them?

like it cant be possible that no one has ever tried to solve it.

This is also what the experts have drawn conclusion to. The Z340 is most probably nothing. Its just Zodiac's way of remaining in legends forever because he has already served the lollypop of the Z408 which got solved in a matter of days by non-cryptography experts. So in a way, he serves up another code enticing the public to believe that it is another unsolved message, whereas it really isnt anything, but you cannot know this for sure unless he is caught and admits to it himself. As I said before, it is highly unlikely that Cambridge Mathmaticians have ever considered using the Z340 as a thesis, riddle to be solved.

 

[Major]

This is also what the experts have drawn conclusion to. The Z340 is most probably nothing. Its just Zodiac's way of remaining in legends forever because he has already served the lollypop of the Z408 which got solved in a matter of days by non-cryptography experts. So in a way, he serves up another code enticing the public to believe that it is another unsolved message, whereas it really isnt anything, but you cannot know this for sure unless he is caught and admits to it himself. As I said before, it is highly unlikely that Cambridge Mathmaticians have ever considered using the Z340 as a thesis, riddle to be solved.

the zodiac does claim that he was stopped by the police(i think this was during the paul stine one) who asked him about something happening and he gave a fake story that he saw someone with a gun.

Arthur leigh allen was too dumb to do anything like this

 

[Major]

who ever the guy was, one is thing is for certain, he was from the military as his boots and glasses suggest.

 

[kingusama92]

Brilliant movie and indeed a real mystery.

They've been pushing the Ross Sullivan theory recently.

 

[Rana]

Brilliant movie and indeed a real mystery.

They've been pushing the Ross Sullivan theory recently.

I didnt take much notice of it at first. But looking at it now its actually a very strong suspect. Although the guy looks too jacked up and ******** to be an artist of a killer.

Lets be honest, The Zodiac's work was close to literary genius. His letters and his poetic work also. His practical work as a killer was so smooth and perfectly timed. His phone calls and the measured voice he uses to approach dialogue with his victims at Lake Berryessa. This is not a guy that wasnt to be taken seriously in life. A lot would suggest that he was so bored of his immense talent that he found a hobby to express it through murder. It earnt him a spot in the annals of history.

 

[Rana]

the zodiac does claim that he was stopped by the police(i think this was during the paul stine one) who asked him about something happening and he gave a fake story that he saw someone with a gun.

Arthur leigh allen was too dumb to do anything like this

Leigh Allen is said to have an IQ near genius level. He was not dumb by any means. Ive studied Arthur very closely as a viable suspect. Lake Berryessa and him being there at the time of the attack is the biggest form of proof against him. However, after so much consideration, there isnt enough to suggest he committed all 5 murders. His home was extensively searched on a number of occasions. A master cryptographer would leave behind samples of his work, notes of how he would devise the cryptograms. Nothing of such was found. In all honesty, the guy wasnt the killer and the reason why his accusers got a kick out of accusing him was the fact that he was probably being persecuted for being a proven child molester in society. Donald Cheney, the man who first accused him behaved in a rather odd manor when asked to provide samples of his saliva DNA.