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There should not be wholesale changes in the Pakistan squad against South Africa

JibranAnsari

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May be replace only naseem shah and shan masood.

Pakistan need to continue with abbas as there are no suitable replacements at the moment.

Give saud shakeel and kamran ghulam another season to groom their skills further and if possible train them with qualified batting and fielding coaches. Play imran butt , who is already in the current squad , against south africa.
Haris sohail won't play anyway as Babar azam will come back . Can't replace zafar gohar on back off a debut performance on a track where there was nothing for spinners. Prepare a spin wicket , play yasir , zafar , faheem , shaheen and abbas. Fawad can bowl left arm spin as well.
 
1 Imam Ul Haq
2 Abid Ali
3 Azhar Ali
4 Babar Azam
5 Kamran Ghulam
6 Fawad Alam
7 Mohammad Rizwan
8 Yasir Shah
9 Hassan Ali
10 Mohammad Abbas
11 Shaheen Afridi

12 Fahim Ashraf 13 Saud Shakeel 14 Zafar Gohar 15 Naseem Shah 16 Imran Butt 17 Zahid Mahmood 18 Sarfaraz Ahmed
 
Ayubhbaloch said:
1 Imam Ul Haq
2 Abid Ali
3 Azhar Ali
4 Babar Azam
5 Kamran Ghulam
6 Fawad Alam
7 Mohammad Rizwan
8 Yasir Shah
9 Hassan Ali
10 Mohammad Abbas
11 Shaheen Afridi

12 Fahim Ashraf 13 Saud Shakeel 14 Zafar Gohar 15 Naseem Shah 16 Imran Butt 17 Zahid Mahmood 18 Sarfaraz Ahmed
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Replace Imam with Imran Butt or Israrulllah or Zain Abbas

Also that trundler M Abbas should be replaced by Tabish khan Experienced bowler with Experienced bowler.
 
Not sure what Abid Ali has done to retain his place. A 33-year old, out of shape batsmen who has never looked even remotely comfortable other than against SriLanka B-team
 
Why exactly is Abass going to continue? He is bowling 120 -125 kph , no seam movememt and useless with the new ball. We have tons of bowlers better than him in domestic cricket.
 
Not sure what Imran butt did to get all this backing lol.. Ppl see him as a saviour for the opener spot.. In reality he is playing since 2012 and avgs 36 , he had one good season which was last year , and this year he didnt play the full season, and no centuries scored...Again ppl are deceived by the MISBAHs poor selection of a random new guy to carry drinks..
 
Since shoulder injury to Abbas in 2018 he has averaged 44 in 2019 and 31.30 in 2020. Did nothing much agaisnt Srl and BD at home as well where Shaheen and Naeem took fifers and a hatrick.

I would prefer Waqas Maqsood, Irfanullah Shah or Amad Butt to be given a chance over Mohammed Abbas. Not saying to completely discard Abbas but he really needs to work on his fitness. Needs to get the pace at least around late 120s early 130s kph which was his pace when he came into the scene as with his current pace he wont be that effective on most surfaces around.
 
Abid ali
Azhar ali
Babar azam
Fawad alam
Rizwan (wk)
Saud shakeel
Faheem ashraf
Zafar gohar
Hassan Ali
Shaheen Shah
Mohammad abbas
12th man - kamran ghulam

This would be my XI for the safrica series. Rubbish like shan (the most coached and artificially manufactured player with minimal natural flair or ability) and haris(embarrassingly unfit and fails more often then not, been given plenty of chances) can go replaced with the future in saud and kamran. Both coming off the back of excellent QEA performances. Huge fan of zafar, needs to persisted with especially with yasirs awful numbers outside of the sub continent. Also I like Nasim but hes far too raw for test cricket and I fear anothrr serious injury on the horizon for him. He needs to go back to domestic with his work load carefully managed. Hassan Ali has been resurgent in this QEA winning player of the tournament. Hes deserving of a recall and a chance once again to stake a claim.

No wholesale changes, just subtle additions of deserving players who have proven themselves in our Premier domestic competition. Really like the look of this team, hope mo wasim is bold enough to select them. In his stint as coach of northern he has shown he backs young players and esp speaks highly of saud. About time we gave him a well deserved chance. Just need misbah to go with a strict foreign coach brought in and we will be set.
 
Don't expect much changes either, after all we fans and former players already accepted that we are minnow. Even if we get whitewashed by South Africa both Misbah, Waqar and fielding coach will keep the job. They have support from media and former players because of desi tag.
 
Disagree with OP, should be wholesale changes,,, Mark all poor performers and replace them with domestic performers.. Thats the msg u send to the players from the selectors side...

Shan, Haris Sohail, Naseem Shah, Abbas should be dropped.

Poor selections like Sohail khan, Wahab riaz should also be dropped.

Domestic performers :

Openers: this is where the list is near to empty, nobody avgd more than 40 except Umar Amin and Sharjeel this season, I would like to try Amin as an opener in the SA home series, he might come good..
And would be a good chance for him to revive his test career, he once played 4 tests in england in 2010 and then never given a chance again.. Mickey wanted him in tests but not sure what happened there, as Inzi preferred Imam above Amin,

Middle order: Kamran Ghulam, Saud Shakeel, Usman Salahuddin are the top three in pecking order

Spinners: Nauman ali, Sajid khan and Zahid mehmood did well ... one of them should be in the list..
yasir or zafar should not be dropped as i think it is very bad to blame spinners for the NZL series loss..

Pacers: Only Hasan Ali and Waqas Maqsood did well..
Allrounders: not really necessary as i feel faheem and zafar should be retained and may be aamer yamin need to be added
In summary would like to see

Kamran Ghulam, Saud Shakeel, Usman Salahuddin , Umer Amin, Hasan Ali, Waqas Maqsood and Sajid khan to be selected for the SA home series..

Umer Amin and Usman Salahuddin are two good candidates for openers spot i believe..
 
Fully agree.
Replace Shan Naseem and Faheem by Imran Hasan and Yasir.

My 11
Imran Butt
Abid Ali
Azhar Ali
Babar Azam
Fawad Alam
Rizwan
Zafar
Hassan
Yasir
Abbas
Shaheen
 
JibranAnsari said:
May be replace only naseem shah and shan masood.

Pakistan need to continue with abbas as there are no suitable replacements at the moment.

Give saud shakeel and kamran ghulam another season to groom their skills further and if possible train them with qualified batting and fielding coaches. Play imran butt , who is already in the current squad , against south africa.
Haris sohail won't play anyway as Babar azam will come back . Can't replace zafar gohar on back off a debut performance on a track where there was nothing for spinners. Prepare a spin wicket , play yasir , zafar , faheem , shaheen and abbas. Fawad can bowl left arm spin as well.
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Harris Soahail should be the first one to go, he should have gone long time ago.
 
Lfc4life786 said:
Abid ali
Azhar ali
Babar azam
Fawad alam
Rizwan (wk)
Saud shakeel
Faheem ashraf
Zafar gohar
Hassan Ali
Shaheen Shah
Mohammad abbas
12th man - kamran ghulam

This would be my XI for the safrica series. Rubbish like shan (the most coached and artificially manufactured player with minimal natural flair or ability) and haris(embarrassingly unfit and fails more often then not, been given plenty of chances) can go replaced with the future in saud and kamran. Both coming off the back of excellent QEA performances. Huge fan of zafar, needs to persisted with especially with yasirs awful numbers outside of the sub continent. Also I like Nasim but hes far too raw for test cricket and I fear anothrr serious injury on the horizon for him. He needs to go back to domestic with his work load carefully managed. Hassan Ali has been resurgent in this QEA winning player of the tournament. Hes deserving of a recall and a chance once again to stake a claim.

No wholesale changes, just subtle additions of deserving players who have proven themselves in our Premier domestic competition. Really like the look of this team, hope mo wasim is bold enough to select them. In his stint as coach of northern he has shown he backs young players and esp speaks highly of saud. About time we gave him a well deserved chance. Just need misbah to go with a strict foreign coach brought in and we will be set.
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Need to play 2 spinners. I'd have both Shadab and Zafar playing. Shadab can slot in at 6/7.
 
sindhiboy said:
Wonder how faheems bowling will go in Pakistan
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If a bowler fails in his primary job and scores some rums, that too after a very long failure with bat in the past that does not justifies his inclusion in the side. Faheem is a useless bowler and his higher score in 25 ODI has been 28. If we need to invest on a bowling all rounder, give Amad Butt a decent run.
 
b.lesner said:
Replace Imam with Imran Butt or Israrulllah or Zain Abbas

Also that trundler M Abbas should be replaced by Tabish khan Experienced bowler with Experienced bowler.
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Imran butt , Israrullah and Zain abbas all of them avg the same or less than Imam..
Having said that Imam's intl scores in tests has dropped down the FC avg to join the league of Butt, Israr and Zain..

Tabish khan lol.. Well Abbas can play instead ...
 
Unless you improve fielding this will happen again and again even if you have world class bowlers and batsmen.
 
Whenever Australia have lost a series badly, there have been consequences

After a bad 2005 ashes against England, players like Hayden, Gillespie, Martyn were dropped. These players had 4-5 years of match winning performances but one bad series and Cricket Australia sent them packing

These are the standards we need in Pakistan Cricket
 
Get rid of Abid, Masood, Haris, Yasir, Naseem and Abbas. Find 2 openers, bring in Saud, play Nauman, try Dhani and another
 
99.9% of the players in the country are pure garbage. This includes the young talents that are overhyped by delusional cheerleaders.

Having said that, you cannot sit idle. You have to make some wholesale changes after such humiliation in the hope that you might a quality player with the 0.1% chance or some average player benefits from beginner’s luck.

The result of the SA series largely depends on Yasir’s form. People can abuse him all they want, and he has his shortcomings, but he is only experienced match-winning bowler in this team.

Shaheen has a lot of class but he needs to work on his fitness to improve his bowling with the old ball. His new ball spells are very good but he loses effectiveness as soon as the ball loses its shine.
 
This may be unpopular but I would say don't drop Naseem yet, you'd kill the boy's confidence. Let him bowl in bowler friendly conditions and gain some confidence back. I doubt that going back to domestics will really make him a better bowler.

I would also say don't think of this series as a one-off, but think of it as the first of the next 25-30 tests across 2-3 years, and then choose the XI that will fit into that vision. If for that you have to drop a few experienced players who have not performed great (Abbas, Abid Ali, Shan Masood, Yasir), then so be it.
 
Right. Or do what England did with their LOI team after 2015 WC. Have a vision for the team and then choose players that fit into that vision.

Savak said:
Whenever Australia have lost a series badly, there have been consequences

After a bad 2005 ashes against England, players like Hayden, Gillespie, Martyn were dropped. These players had 4-5 years of match winning performances but one bad series and Cricket Australia sent them packing

These are the standards we need in Pakistan Cricket
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I think the most important thing here is to not go "change happy". Some changes though are however mandatory which is Shan Masood (did worse than Abid), Haris Sohail (injury is there or he's just pure lazy) and Naseem Shah. Spin will play a major role in the series so leaving out Faheem as a 4th bowler

My team for the series:

1. Abid Ali
2. Azhar Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Saud Shakeel/Kamran Ghulam (would go with Saud based on consistency)
5. Fawad Alam
6. Muhammad Rizwan
7. Zafar Gohar (he doesn't deserve a lot of stick after one game)
8. Nauman Ali/Sajid Khan
9. Shaheen Afridi
10. Muhammad Abbas
11. Hassan Ali
 
shah_1 said:
Why exactly is Abass going to continue? He is bowling 120 -125 kph , no seam movememt and useless with the new ball. We have tons of bowlers better than him in domestic cricket.
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Abbas needs to go, hes been found out and now is a circa 40 avging bowler We need to look at an alternative
 
Savak said:
Whenever Australia have lost a series badly, there have been consequences

After a bad 2005 ashes against England, players like Hayden, Gillespie, Martyn were dropped. These players had 4-5 years of match winning performances but one bad series and Cricket Australia sent them packing

These are the standards we need in Pakistan Cricket
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Exactly , there should be no sugar coating for non-performers.. By doing so for years Pakistan just had Azhar ali and Asad Shafiq both of them even after playing nearly 100 tests still bats like a debutant...Also after playing 100 balls bats like facing the 1st ball, after scoring 50s and 100s still not assured at the crease lol :smith

It was Misbahs logic to keep the non-performers and give repeated chances until they perform one day..
Rankings and losing matches left right centre didnt matter at all.. Misbah is a crap and should be removed from system asap..
 
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Shaheen needs to be rested for this series and may be Hasnain or Sameen gul or Waqas maqsood needs to debut in this series along with Hasan ali coming back..
 
JibranAnsari said:
May be replace only naseem shah and shan masood.

Pakistan need to continue with abbas as there are no suitable replacements at the moment.

Give saud shakeel and kamran ghulam another season to groom their skills further and if possible train them with qualified batting and fielding coaches. Play imran butt , who is already in the current squad , against south africa.
Haris sohail won't play anyway as Babar azam will come back . Can't replace zafar gohar on back off a debut performance on a track where there was nothing for spinners. Prepare a spin wicket , play yasir , zafar , faheem , shaheen and abbas. Fawad can bowl left arm spin as well.
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Shan Masood's career should have ended long time ago. But we keep paying a high price for nepotism. I hope the new chief selector makes the bold decision.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
I think the most important thing here is to not go "change happy". Some changes though are however mandatory which is Shan Masood (did worse than Abid), Haris Sohail (injury is there or he's just pure lazy) and Naseem Shah. Spin will play a major role in the series so leaving out Faheem as a 4th bowler

My team for the series:

1. Abid Ali
2. Azhar Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Saud Shakeel/Kamran Ghulam (would go with Saud based on consistency)
5. Fawad Alam
6. Muhammad Rizwan
7. Zafar Gohar (he doesn't deserve a lot of stick after one game)
8. Nauman Ali/Sajid Khan
9. Shaheen Afridi
10. Muhammad Abbas
11. Hassan Ali
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You're playing Mohammad Abbas over Yasir Shah? :danish
 
Rayyman said:
You're playing Mohammad Abbas over Yasir Shah? :danish
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Yes, regardless of what people say about Abbas he is probs the best option right now and to be fair it's not his fault but it was inexperience of Naseem.

Maybe i would have Zahid Mehmood in as a leg spinner and one offie in either Sajid Khan/Nauman Ali/Zafar Gohar, my preference is to Zafar though as the kid is getting waaay too much flack for one game.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Exactly , there should be no sugar coating for non-performers.. By doing so for years Pakistan just had Azhar ali and Asad Shafiq both of them even after playing nearly 100 tests still bats like a debutant...Also after playing 100 balls bats like facing the 1st ball, after scoring 50s and 100s still not assured at the crease lol :smith

It was Misbahs logic to keep the non-performers and give repeated chances until they perform one day..
Rankings and losing matches left right centre didnt matter at all.. Misbah is a crap and should be removed from system asap..
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Inzi spoke and mentioned the same thing on his YouTube channel that you can't have a squad full of players ie batsmen and bowlers who come good in one innings and then go flop in 9 innings especially the trap where a player has 9 consecutive failures but scores a career saving 50 or 100 or picks 3-5 wickets and retains his spot for the next 1-2 series.

This sort of stuff allows average players to save their spots in the team and keep carrying on with their unimpressive batting and bowling averages, records but the team ultimately suffers with a bottom 3 consistent ranking.

Honestly speaking the Indian, Australian, English selection committees are a lot more ruthless, professional, unemotional and can see through the ** of "we have invested so much in a player, let's back him etc". You don't perform, you get fired.

Someone like Prithvi Shaw would get 3-4 consecutive test matches for Pakistan even if he was failing badly but the Indians chucked him out after one bad test match
 
Shoaibbtt said:
Yes, regardless of what people say about Abbas he is probs the best option right now and to be fair it's not his fault but it was inexperience of Naseem.

Maybe i would have Zahid Mehmood in as a leg spinner and one offie in either Sajid Khan/Nauman Ali/Zafar Gohar, my preference is to Zafar though as the kid is getting waaay too much flack for one game.
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Yasir Shah averages 25 with 11 5-fers in Asia. It would be really brainless to drop him against South Africa who do not play spin well.
 
Abid Ali
Azhar Ali
Babar Azam
Kamran Ghulam/Saud Shakeel
Fawad Alam
Muhammad Rizwan
Muhammad Nawaz/Zafar Gohar
Hassan Ali
Shaheen Afridi
Abbas/Arshad Iqbal
Yasir Shah/Sajid
 
Rayyman said:
Yasir Shah averages 25 with 11 5-fers in Asia. It would be really brainless to drop him against South Africa who do not play spin well.
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I'd trial Zahid cause he had a great series, plus we really need to look at having a half decent tail that can at least bat a little bit.
 
You need to make wholesale changes. It's not like we are No.2/3 ranked team and had an 'off' series. It is a mediocre side, with players who have been playing for years, and years and yielding garbage results. Why protect them and continue giving chances?
 
Bewal Express said:
I am here to give an opinion based on what I see. If you think he deserves a chance then that is your right.
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You are well entitled to your opinion bro and it's good to always speak with people with a different perspective.

I'm a stats guy and i always go with that plus he performed in the last season and this season so that's where my conclusion comes from.
 
Rayyman said:
Yasir Shah averages 25 with 11 5-fers in Asia. It would be really brainless to drop him against South Africa who do not play spin well.
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That was in the UAE. In Pakistan his bowling has looked toothless. Also there is a misconception that Pakistani wickets are spin assisting dustbowls, not like UAE at all. In fact Pakistan either produces flat pan cakes or wickets with seam, swing while not like England, NZ but still enough to give a good bowler motivation.
 
Also Yasir Shah has abused the privilege of being the only recognized spinner for Pakistan which explains why his bowling has not really developed, kicked on in the last few years. His replacements should be given a proper run and opportunity to prove themselves i.e. Zafar Gohar, Usman Qadir, Zahid Mehmood e.t.c.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
You are well entitled to your opinion bro and it's good to always speak with people with a different perspective.

I'm a stats guy and i always go with that plus he performed in the last season and this season so that's where my conclusion comes from.
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You have to look behind the stats and watch him. He is roller and an under cutter, his action will not allow any sort of sharp spin into right handers, if you watch him closely,he has success against left handed batsman who play for spin that isn't there or right handers that do the same. Unfortunately, that will not work against even tail enders at the international level
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Naseem should continue as well.. let them get confidence of a home series, let Saffers feel the heat, stick to the team for atleast one season.

Inclusion of Hasan Ali should be there, lets see if he has recovered and has the zip.
 
Shan Duck Masood should be dropped, he has a AVG of 34 over 100 1st class matches, which is the same as Aussie's tail (just cuz he made starts away to South Africa last time he is being herald as a top performer)
Totally a poor performer who has been picked due to favouritism, they highlight him to be a great fielder but we have seen how good he has been with catches

You could see why Sami Aslam left, with a genuinely poor batsman selected over him

Haris Sohail just has always been in/out being injury prone and seems to fail on foreign tours, getting out on the same fashion on ducks deserve him to be dropped and Avg of 34

Naseem - not ready end off poor management decision picking him without bowling enough overs in domestic cricket

Current team best of the lot should be as below until we see some new/better performers

Imran butt: with an AVG of 36 might as well go home now

1. Imam
2. Azhar
3. Baber
4. Usman Salahuddin
5. Kamran
6. Fawad
7. Rizwan
8. Yasir/Faheem
9. Hassan
10. Abbas
11. Maqsood
 
why cant the management select the team based on the performances in the FC games. its common sense but you just see the same players getting dropped and picked up.
 
Your ideal squad for the home series against South Africa?

It's pretty clear there's an urgent need for some changes. Need to get rid of all the deadwood and reward the domestic performers.

I'd go with something like this:

Imam-Ul-Haq
Abdullah Shafiq
Azhar Ali
Babar Azam (C)
Fawad Alam
Kamran Ghulam
Saud Shakeel
Mohamed Rizwan (WK)
Faheem Ashraf
Yasir Shah
Zafar Gohar
Zahid Mahmood
Irfanullah Shah
Shaheen Afridi
Mohamed Abbas
Hasan Ali

Time to take a leaf out of India's book and prepare rank turners, play two spinners and hope for the best. :kakmal
 
Abid Ali
Azhar Ali
Fawad Alam
Babar Azam
Kamran Ghulam
Rizwan
Shadab
Fahim
Hasan Ali
Abbas / Yasir depending on conditions
Shaheen

Saud Shakil
Amad Butt
Sajid Khan
 
Does this even matter? The best players in Pakistan always appear to be the players who are not in the squad lol
 
Abdullah Shafique should not be there. He needs 2-3 seasons of FC cricket first.

Rest of the OP's squad is fine. I see very little world class ability there but it should be enough to see off the Saffers.

Let's just hope in a few seasons the change in QeA starts paying off.
 
bala977 said:
Does this even matter? The best players in Pakistan always appear to be the players who are not in the squad lol
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I mean what else are you gonna do? You gotta trust the process and reward domestic performers otherwise what's the point of having domestic cricket? Sometimes all you need is one or two good additions and that totally transforms the team.
 
hitthestump said:
Abdullah Shafique should not be there. He needs 2-3 seasons of FC cricket first.

Rest of the OP's squad is fine. I see very little world class ability there but it should be enough to see off the Saffers.

Let's just hope in a few seasons the change in QeA starts paying off.
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I actually agree about Abdullah but I couldn't really think of any other openers tbh. He's a technically solid player who might do well in familiar conditions.
 
The NZ tour has been nothing short of a humiliation. Some players have managed to put up a fight but the mediocrity of their teammates has ensured a series loss.

The openers are supposed to lay a foundation for their sides but Abid and especially Shan have been a massive letdown. As an avid supporter of Shan Masood in the hope that he may instill a hard-working attitude in the Pakistan players, it is time to move on from him. Although he may put in the necessary hours to be a top athlete, his incredibly limited skills ensure his failure in international cricket. He may still be a top domestic performer where teams will not analyze his weaknesses. Abid Ali is officially 33 years old and has failed overseas with an average of 24.5 in 5 matches. On top of that, he has put on weight which indicates a lack of care. It would be disgraceful to keep hold of such openers.

Azhar Ali has to be told that if he wants to stay on, he must open the batting. He averages 3 runs more opening but it also helps balance the side. Otherwise, kick him and induct Imam in his place. As for Haris Sohail, this man was just never meant to play long for Pakistan. His pathetic fitness means he is out of the side for half the year but also fails under any movement. It's best to get someone like Ghulam and Saud who can play for the next 10 years or so.

In regards to the bowling, it's a very tricky phase because the supposed leader of the pack has been figured out. On paper, Abbas may be 30 but he bowls like a 40-year-old. In Pakistan, 3 pacers should do the job but we need another test quality pacer soon. Naseem needs to spend a couple of years in domestic cricket and gain some control over his bowling.

Overall, it's not a perfect squad because we lack the resources. Since it's a home series, we can afford a small squad. If changes need to be made, we can call someone up.

1. Imran Butt
2. Azhar Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Saud Shakeel/Usman Salahuddin
5. Fawad Alam
6. Kamran Ghulam
7. Mohammad Rizwan
8. Shadab Khan/Faheem Ashraf
9. Zafar Gohar
10. Hasan Ali
11. Shaheen Afridi
 
Savak said:
That was in the UAE. In Pakistan his bowling has looked toothless. Also there is a misconception that Pakistani wickets are spin assisting dustbowls, not like UAE at all. In fact Pakistan either produces flat pan cakes or wickets with seam, swing while not like England, NZ but still enough to give a good bowler motivation.
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He played two matches and those were against SL and BD who have a lot of left handers and play spin well.

Yasir was also out of form last year. He bowled well in the domestics recently and showed some good signs against NZ.

I watched him bowl the 1st Test and I have no doubt that he will bowl if given a chance against SA's HTBs.
 
There will definitely need to be some changes as we cannot let certain players get away with poor performances.
 
We dont have good players to replace at all asad shafiq might be back.

But as we are playing home i would play one off saud salahuddin and even Gulam although i am sure all three will struggle
 
Red Devil said:
I actually agree about Abdullah but I couldn't really think of any other openers tbh. He's a technically solid player who might do well in familiar conditions.
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Just play Imran Butt and promote Azhar Ali if neccesary. Neither is a great option. But it feels more important that we start instilling a basis that you must make a name for yourself in domestics before being selected for the national team.
 
Omer2002 said:
We dont have good players to replace at all asad shafiq might be back.

But as we are playing home i would play one off saud salahuddin and even Gulam although i am sure all three will struggle
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The one thing we do have is many alternative options in the middle order. Saud, Saluhuddin, Ghulam and Salman Agha have all performed well enough that one hopes we don't need to go so far backwards towards Asad ever again.
 
I would go and ask former players if any of them are fit enough and willing to make a comeback , as they may well be the last few remaining people left in the county who know how to play cricket properly.
I’ve got no faith in the younger generation.

I would back a Pakistan veterans XI with former players from 90s/2000s era Under 55s to defeat the current Pakistan test XI within 3 days.
 
I agree. I would even say that Shan and Naseem should be retained. Shan has been on a very bad run recently but the guy is a hard worker who scored tough runs in South Africa, Australia, England and backed them up with centuries at home. Pakistan invested in him for 2 years. It would be premature to drop him now. Give him a chance against South Africa, if he doesn't do well drop him.

Re. Naseem I would say retain him in the squad, but replace him in the starting eleven with Hasan Ali. Kamran Ghulam should be selected too. But I dont see him starting
 
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hitthestump said:
Just play Imran Butt and promote Azhar Ali if neccesary. Neither is a great option. But it feels more important that we start instilling a basis that you must make a name for yourself in domestics before being selected for the national team.
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Why waste time with stop-gap measures like that? I'd rather we start developing younger players and invest in the ones that have a high ceiling. We're going to suck either way but investing in players who have shown potential might pay off a few years down the line.
 
JibranAnsari said:
May be replace only naseem shah and shan masood.

Pakistan need to continue with abbas as there are no suitable replacements at the moment.

Give saud shakeel and kamran ghulam another season to groom their skills further and if possible train them with qualified batting and fielding coaches. Play imran butt , who is already in the current squad , against south africa.
Haris sohail won't play anyway as Babar azam will come back . Can't replace zafar gohar on back off a debut performance on a track where there was nothing for spinners. Prepare a spin wicket , play yasir , zafar , faheem , shaheen and abbas. Fawad can bowl left arm spin as well.
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How many more seasons does saud shakeel need to get a chance in the team ! Hassan ali can replace abbas with the new ball
 
sharmaji said:
This may be unpopular but I would say don't drop Naseem yet, you'd kill the boy's confidence. Let him bowl in bowler friendly conditions and gain some confidence back. I doubt that going back to domestics will really make him a better bowler.

I would also say don't think of this series as a one-off, but think of it as the first of the next 25-30 tests across 2-3 years, and then choose the XI that will fit into that vision. If for that you have to drop a few experienced players who have not performed great (Abbas, Abid Ali, Shan Masood, Yasir), then so be it.
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and what if he doesnt perform then whaf ?
 
Shoaibbtt said:
I'd trial Zahid cause he had a great series, plus we really need to look at having a half decent tail that can at least bat a little bit.
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it your going to play to play zahid you might azwell cary on with yasir.zahid economy is more 4 i belive or close to it
 
Shoaibbtt said:
You are well entitled to your opinion bro and it's good to always speak with people with a different perspective.

I'm a stats guy and i always go with that plus he performed in the last season and this season so that's where my conclusion comes from.
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I agree i would go with Sajid
 
Why are people still onboard with Abid Ali? He has looked maybe only slightly better than Shan, which my dog can accomplish as well.

Genuine FTB, and considering his age I think we are better off by investing in someone young rather than handing out debuts for openers overseas... speaking of which, giving Zafar a debut on a ground overseas where spinners do poorly seemed like a master stroke by the thick tank, I’m sure his confidence has skyrocketed.
 
my team i would go with a 5 man attack.i would also include saud at 5 and kamran ghullam at 3.i wanted to include fawad but dont know were to fit him unless we go with a 4 man attack.

I will drop shan,abid,haris from the squad.i will keep in the squad but wont play in the team abbas,azhar,yasir
Azhar ali
Imaam
Kamran ghullam
Babar
Saud shakeel
Rizwan
Gohar
Sajid
Hassan ali
Shaheen
Fahim

Yasir
Abbas
Usman saladin
Fawad
Yasir
 
shamaan said:
How many more seasons does saud shakeel need to get a chance in the team ! Hassan ali can replace abbas with the new ball
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This was actually first excellent season for saud. He hasnt had any high scoring seasons before. I want him to be ready for international cricket which is a couple of steps up , work on his weaknesses with better coaches and on his fielding as well
 
JibranAnsari said:
This was actually first excellent season for saud. He hasnt had any high scoring seasons before. I want him to be ready for international cricket which is a couple of steps up , work on his weaknesses with better coaches and on his fielding as well
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Didnt he average 75 last season unless am mistaken
 
Hain:'D LOL you called Yasir Shah garbage in one of the threads recently. Do you have split personiality or something 🤔?

Mamoon said:
99.9% of the players in the country are pure garbage. This includes the young talents that are overhyped by delusional cheerleaders.

Having said that, you cannot sit idle. You have to make some wholesale changes after such humiliation in the hope that you might a quality player with the 0.1% chance or some average player benefits from beginner’s luck.

The result of the SA series largely depends on Yasir’s form. People can abuse him all they want, and he has his shortcomings, but he is only experienced match-winning bowler in this team.

Shaheen has a lot of class but he needs to work on his fitness to improve his bowling with the old ball. His new ball spells are very good but he loses effectiveness as soon as the ball loses its shine.
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JibranAnsari said:
This was actually first excellent season for saud. He hasnt had any high scoring seasons before. I want him to be ready for international cricket which is a couple of steps up , work on his weaknesses with better coaches and on his fielding as well
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Lol he is 25 year old. He hasn't played full seasons in the past due to of A tours and Asia emerging tournament. It is now or never for him
 
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