"They will gather all your wealth and distribute it among those who have more children": PM Modi's reference to Muslims shows his true face

[MP2011]

This is why Hardwork not Harvard has failed. The perils of electing an illiterate buddhu who thinks he's clever like many of his bhakts.

So Rahulg has been saying, the necessity of a caste census is like, when people go to a hospital, an Xray is taken sometimes to detect underlying problems. Look at our Modi's understanding of this hahaha. It is now just funny and has gone beyond frustrating to see a PM lowering himself to a gutter level.

he always belonged to ditch.

 

[MP2011]

This Hardwork vs Harvard is so funny. The bigot thought just because he is illiterate, everyone will lap this up. Well, to be honest to him, his minions did lap this up.

 

[MP2011]

And this feku creature blabbers about Mangal Sutras. Here was what happened during COVID under his 'nationalist' watch,

During the pandemic alone, due to feku's gross competence, negligence, and mismanagement, India’s women had to give up over Rs. 60,000 crore worth of gold as collateral. Their gold was auctioned off by lenders and banks in full-page ads.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Topic raised on Indian election issue:

Indian poster response: "But...but...but...Pakistan!"

Matter: Indian election

People having problems: Pakistanis.

 

[cricketjoshila]

76% vs 59.3%

If actual numbers are the be all then India has the 3rd highest number of billionaires in the world after US and China. But that won't gel well with your agenda, right?

Every time i see these posts, i am glad Modi decided to shut the door firmly on foreign policy with Pakistan.

Emir of Qatar lays down the red carpet for Modi.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Every time i see these posts, i am glad Modi decided to shut the door firmly on foreign policy with Pakistan.

Emir of Qatar lays down the red carpet for Modi.

Has Al Jazeera made up this whole event?

 

[cricketjoshila]

And this feku creature blabbers about Mangal Sutras. Here was what happened during COVID under his 'nationalist' watch,

During the pandemic alone, due to feku's gross competence, negligence, and mismanagement, India’s women had to give up over Rs. 60,000 crore worth of gold as collateral. Their gold was auctioned off by lenders and banks in full-page ads.

Good that you are now copy pasting directly from congress leader Jairam Ramesh's accounts.

 

[Hitman]

Every time i see these posts, i am glad Modi decided to shut the door firmly on foreign policy with Pakistan.

Emir of Qatar lays down the red carpet for Modi.

No doubt. Funniest bit is that those living in Pakistan know the ground realities and hardly ever make such posts.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Has Al Jazeera made up this whole event?

What event?

That Manmohan Singh said Muslims have the first right on nations resources?

Or

Congress trying to take away and redistribute wealth?

Or

Muslim Bangladeshi and Rohingyas infiltrating into India.

Or

The religion wise fertility rate of the country.

Which event?

 

[MP2011]

Good that you are now copy pasting directly from congress leader Jairam Ramesh's accounts.

Truth hurts, doesn't it.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What event?

That Manmohan Singh said Muslims have the first right on nations resources?

Or

Congress trying to take away and redistribute wealth?

Or

Muslim Bangladeshi and Rohingyas infiltrating into India.

Or

The religion wise fertility rate of the country.

Which event?

Modis statement, the topic of the OP which you are trying to blame Al Jazeera for.

Is it something that Al Jazeera concocted? If not, why is there so much ire toward them? Are only certain people allowed to report Modi's words?

You randomly mentioned Qataris laying out the red carpet for Modi. Are you that fickle that when someone shows your PM some affection, you get happy, and when they write a newspaper article about him, you throw your toys out of the pram?

An Indian made a deeply worrying statement; other Indians have complained to the Indian Election Committee. What is your beef with someone else reporting it and others discussing it?

If you dont want discussion of Modis statements kindly advise him to turn off the microphone and cameras before making them or he can come and whisper them in your ear instead.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No doubt. Funniest bit is that those living in Pakistan know the ground realities and hardly ever make such posts.

That's why we rely on your insights into the mindset of Indian Billionaires and Assamese people.

 

[Hitman]

That's why we rely on your insights into the mindset of Indian Billionaires and Assamese people.

Makes little difference to us. Sure, I'm here to debate with all posters but what People think about my country or my people makes no actual difference to me.

 

[IMMY69]

Makes little difference to us. Sure, I'm here to debate with all posters including Pakistanis (this is a Pakistani forum afterall!), but what Pakistani posters think about my country or my people makes no actual difference to me.

Well it certainly makes a difference to me!

 

[MP2011]

Modis statement, the topic of the OP which you are trying to blame Al Jazeera for.

Is it something that Al Jazeera concocted? If not, why is there so much ire toward them? Are only certain people allowed to report Modi's words?

You randomly mentioned Qataris laying out the red carpet for Modi. Are you that fickle that when someone shows your PM some affection, you get happy, and when they write a newspaper article about him, you throw your toys out of the pram?

An Indian made a deeply worrying statement; other Indians have complained to the Indian Election Committee. What is your beef with someone else reporting it and others discussing it?

If you dont want discussion of Modis statements kindly advise him to turn off the microphone and cameras before making them or he can come and whisper them in your ear instead.

Minions' classic modus operandi.

Shoot the messenger!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Truth hurts, doesn't it.

Congress X accounts and their posts are not gospel truth.

 

[Rajdeep]

Every time i see these posts, i am glad Modi decided to shut the door firmly on foreign policy with Pakistan.

Emir of Qatar lays down the red carpet for Modi.

The funny thing is, Maldives president just won the election playing the religion card. Most Pakistani's in this forum were celebrating it as some sort of vindication. However they want Modi to be defeated and want India to have a secular. I am 32 year old man and till today never understood this hypocrisy.

 

[pillionrider]

Very well explained by Rahulg as usual. Without the aid of TWO teleprompters that Modi needs, while still slurring and making basic mistakes

I particularly liked the bit where he once again references the fear in coward Modi. He's the only leader who has consistently highlighted this point about Modi - that he is a very scared man and a coward lol

 

[globetrotter]

Congress failed to eradicate poverty in 70 years of its rule…. They have now discovered new formula to make poor to rich.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No doubt. Funniest bit is that those living in Pakistan know the ground realities and hardly ever make such posts.

What's even funnier is that despite in your own words, Pakistanis barely even bothering making such posts, all hindutva venom is directed against Pakistan and not the British Raj which is home to the more challenging posters as we have a better world view living outside the subcontinent cauldron.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That's because Indians recognize British Pakistanis by their DNA rather than their passport.

Which proves you hate Pakistan as a place and people rather than the British Raj whom you still venerate to this day.

From their own words shall they be known.....

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Which proves you hate Pakistan as a place and people rather than the British Raj whom you still venerate to this day.

Who does that? why do you keep beating up this dead horse all the time

Literally every 2nd post of yours is about venerating the British raj when almost every indian in childhood is taught about the horrors of the raj and indians despise the british rule

Look up how popular Shashi Tharoor's speech was

 

[Hitman]

Which proves you hate Pakistan as a place and people rather than the British Raj whom you still venerate to this day.

From their own words shall they be known.....

Yea, and you have so much love for us Indians that you once described us as having dark skin tone, trying to demean us.

 

[Hitman]

Who does that? why do you keep beating up this dead horse all the time

Literally every 2nd post of yours is about venerating the British raj when almost every indian in childhood is taught about the horrors of the raj and indians despise the british rule

Look up how popular Shashi Tharoor's speech was

It's called having an inferiority complex when you try pretending to be from a lineage that you are not.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Congress failed to eradicate poverty in 70 years of its rule…. They have now discovered new formula to make poor to rich.

Pappu and Pritoda already discovered.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Modi accused of hate speech by opposition as India's phased elections roll on

India’s main opposition Congress Party has accused Prime Minister Narendra Modi of “hate speech” following remarks at recent election rallies in which he said the rival party would favor the minority Muslim community if voted to power.

Modi’s controversial comments came amid hectic campaigning by political parties as India holds phased elections that began this month and continue until June 1.

Political analysts said the remarks by Modi, who is leading his Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party’s bid to win a third term in power, are an effort to shore up support among his Hindu voter base.

The prime minister told a rally held in the northwestern state of Rajasthan on Sunday that if the opposition Congress Party is voted into power, it will gather “all your wealth and distribute it to those who have more children” and to “infiltrators.” The remarks were widely seen as a reference to Muslims.

Modi cited a two-decade old comment by former prime minister Manmohan Singh, from when the Congress Party led a coalition government, in which Singh had said that India’s lower castes, tribes, women and “in particular the Muslim community” deserved a share in the country’s development. Singh’s government had clarified that he was referring to all disadvantaged groups.

The remarks prompted an outcry from the Congress Party, which denied making any promise of taking away and redistributing wealth and said that the party’s manifesto only talks about equality and justice for all.

The party said the prime minister’s remarks were a "blatant and direct violation” of electoral laws, which ban canvassing on “caste” and “communal feelings.”

In a complaint to the Election Commission, the Congress Party called the comments "divisive and malicious" and said they were targeted at "a particular religious community." It has petitioned the body that oversees India’s mammoth election, to act against Modi.

“What Modiji said was hate speech and also a well-thought-out ploy to divert attention,” Congress leader Mallikarjun Kharge said in a post on X.

Several other opposition parties, which accuse Modi’s BJP of polarizing voters for electoral gains, have also joined the chorus of protest against the prime minister’s remarks.

Modi continued his attack on the Congress Party at election rallies this week, saying they wanted to implement reservations based on religion. That remark was a reference to a decades-long affirmative action program under which India sets aside quotas in government jobs and educational institutes for lower castes.

The BJP has defended the prime minister’s remarks. Party spokesperson Gaurav Bhatia told reporters on Monday that he only “echoed the sentiment of every citizen of the country who believes in equality.”

On the campaign trail, Modi has sought votes largely on his pledge of making India a developed nation, expanding the economy and increasing welfare programs for the poor.

However, analysts say the prime minister’s comments represent a change in tactics as the party seeks to energize its cadres and voters from the Hindu majority community.

“It is communal politics and a concerted attempt to otherize minorities and Muslims in particular and instill a sense of insecurity among the majority Hindu community by pushing the opposition into the bracket of those who work for welfare of the minorities,” said political analyst Rasheed Kidwai. “And because the relationship between the majority Hindus and minority Muslims has a lot of historical baggage and there is a trust deficit, it is very easy to reap electoral dividends.”

Source: VOA

 

[MP2011]

Modi accused of hate speech by opposition as India's phased elections roll on

India’s main opposition Congress Party has accused Prime Minister Narendra Modi of “hate speech” following remarks at recent election rallies in which he said the rival party would favor the minority Muslim community if voted to power.

Modi’s controversial comments came amid hectic campaigning by political parties as India holds phased elections that began this month and continue until June 1.

Political analysts said the remarks by Modi, who is leading his Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party’s bid to win a third term in power, are an effort to shore up support among his Hindu voter base.

The prime minister told a rally held in the northwestern state of Rajasthan on Sunday that if the opposition Congress Party is voted into power, it will gather “all your wealth and distribute it to those who have more children” and to “infiltrators.” The remarks were widely seen as a reference to Muslims.

Modi cited a two-decade old comment by former prime minister Manmohan Singh, from when the Congress Party led a coalition government, in which Singh had said that India’s lower castes, tribes, women and “in particular the Muslim community” deserved a share in the country’s development. Singh’s government had clarified that he was referring to all disadvantaged groups.

The remarks prompted an outcry from the Congress Party, which denied making any promise of taking away and redistributing wealth and said that the party’s manifesto only talks about equality and justice for all.

The party said the prime minister’s remarks were a "blatant and direct violation” of electoral laws, which ban canvassing on “caste” and “communal feelings.”

In a complaint to the Election Commission, the Congress Party called the comments "divisive and malicious" and said they were targeted at "a particular religious community." It has petitioned the body that oversees India’s mammoth election, to act against Modi.

“What Modiji said was hate speech and also a well-thought-out ploy to divert attention,” Congress leader Mallikarjun Kharge said in a post on X.

Several other opposition parties, which accuse Modi’s BJP of polarizing voters for electoral gains, have also joined the chorus of protest against the prime minister’s remarks.

Modi continued his attack on the Congress Party at election rallies this week, saying they wanted to implement reservations based on religion. That remark was a reference to a decades-long affirmative action program under which India sets aside quotas in government jobs and educational institutes for lower castes.

The BJP has defended the prime minister’s remarks. Party spokesperson Gaurav Bhatia told reporters on Monday that he only “echoed the sentiment of every citizen of the country who believes in equality.”

On the campaign trail, Modi has sought votes largely on his pledge of making India a developed nation, expanding the economy and increasing welfare programs for the poor.

However, analysts say the prime minister’s comments represent a change in tactics as the party seeks to energize its cadres and voters from the Hindu majority community.

“It is communal politics and a concerted attempt to otherize minorities and Muslims in particular and instill a sense of insecurity among the majority Hindu community by pushing the opposition into the bracket of those who work for welfare of the minorities,” said political analyst Rasheed Kidwai. “And because the relationship between the majority Hindus and minority Muslims has a lot of historical baggage and there is a trust deficit, it is very easy to reap electoral dividends.”

Source: VOA

Tell us something new. Everything feku utters during elections is hate speech as per EC's own rules and regulations but it always turns blind eye to it.

 

[globetrotter]

Congress ruled 70 years of power and used Muslim community only as their vote-bank. For that they kept Muslim community uneducated and poor. Due to which other communities excelled, but Muslims remained backwards. If u compare wealth ratio of Hindu-Muslim, it is 99.99-00.01. Congress have long plan of making Muslim community rich, that’s why congress previous agendas and former PM Manmohan Singh speeches reflects that congress want to hand over all national wealth to Muslim community only. In 2024 congress election agenda clearly mentioned that they will eradicate poverty from India in just 6 months and Sam Pitroda revealed the congress plan how they will do it to make Muslim community rich.

If congress wins 2024 election (very very rare possibility) then don’t get surprised if you find Indian muslims name in Forbes richest list instead of Adani, Ambani and Mittal.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

93 Ex Civil Servants Endorse Letter to EC Demanding Action on Modi's Communal Speech​

"Given the election is already underway, it is absolutely necessary that the action be taken without any loss of time."

New Delhi: Ninety-three former civil servant have written to the Election Commission of India (ECI) endorsing a letter written by former IIM-Ahmedabad professor Jagdeep Chhokar on the speech given by Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Rajasthan’s Banswara on April 21.

93 Ex Civil Servants Endorse Letter to EC Demanding Action on Modi's Communal Speech​

The Wire Staff
Apr 24, 2024



"Given the election is already underway, it is absolutely necessary that the action be taken without any loss of time."

Illustration: Pariplab Chakraborty

Advertisement



New Delhi: Ninety-three former civil servant have written to the Election Commission of India (ECI) endorsing a letter written by former IIM-Ahmedabad professor Jagdeep Chhokar on the speech given by Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Rajasthan’s Banswara on April 21.

The speech contained hate-filled remarks against Muslims, suggesting that were “infiltrators” and the opposition, if elected, would give away “mangalsutras” and “land” of those listening to his speech to Muslims. The ECI has received over 2,200 complaint letters from citizens over this particular speech.

Chhokar’s letter specified ways in which the speech violated the Model Code of Conduct, the Representation of People Act and the Indian Penal Code.

93 Ex Civil Servants Endorse Letter to EC Demanding Action on Modi's Communal Speech

m.thewire.in

 

[DeadlyVenom]

93 Ex Civil Servants Endorse Letter to EC Demanding Action on Modi's Communal Speech​

"Given the election is already underway, it is absolutely necessary that the action be taken without any loss of time."

New Delhi: Ninety-three former civil servant have written to the Election Commission of India (ECI) endorsing a letter written by former IIM-Ahmedabad professor Jagdeep Chhokar on the speech given by Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Rajasthan’s Banswara on April 21.

93 Ex Civil Servants Endorse Letter to EC Demanding Action on Modi's Communal Speech​

The Wire Staff
Apr 24, 2024



"Given the election is already underway, it is absolutely necessary that the action be taken without any loss of time."

Illustration: Pariplab Chakraborty

Advertisement



New Delhi: Ninety-three former civil servant have written to the Election Commission of India (ECI) endorsing a letter written by former IIM-Ahmedabad professor Jagdeep Chhokar on the speech given by Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Rajasthan’s Banswara on April 21.

The speech contained hate-filled remarks against Muslims, suggesting that were “infiltrators” and the opposition, if elected, would give away “mangalsutras” and “land” of those listening to his speech to Muslims. The ECI has received over 2,200 complaint letters from citizens over this particular speech.

Chhokar’s letter specified ways in which the speech violated the Model Code of Conduct, the Representation of People Act and the Indian Penal Code.

93 Ex Civil Servants Endorse Letter to EC Demanding Action on Modi's Communal Speech

m.thewire.in

Are these civil servants Pakistani or Al Jazeera Journalists.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Are these civil servants Pakistani or Al Jazeera Journalists.

All of them are Pakistanis.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Mohammed Shami and Mohammed Siraj have no right to be richer than Jasprit Bumrah. They should never try to earn more than Jasprit Bumrah.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yea, and you have so much love for us Indians that you once described us as having dark skin tone, trying to demean us.

Why would I do that when there are Pakistanis with a dark skin tone as well? If anything I have criticised many posters for their racist diatribes against blacks in the USA, quite a few of whom have been Indian posters.

I would suggest either produce a quote where I have demeaned anyone for having dark skin tone ( you won't be able to, I gurantee it) or withdraw your remark.

 

[Hitman]

Why would I do that when there are Pakistanis with a dark skin tone as well? If anything I have criticised many posters for their racist diatribes against blacks in the USA, quite a few of whom have been Indian posters.

I would suggest either produce a quote where I have demeaned anyone for having dark skin tone ( you won't be able to, I gurantee it) or withdraw your remark.

You taunted us Indians saying that British people see Indians as people with dark skin tone.

​

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Whom are you trying to kid? You taunted us Indians saying that British people see Indians as people with dark skin tone.

​

Then it should be easy for you to find the quote, just use the search function. But you won't be able to find it because this is all stuff which is going on in your own head for whatever reason.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You want me to find something that has been deleted by the mods?

Why would that be deleted by the mods?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Election Commission issues notice to BJP chief Nadda on complaints of model code violation by PM Modi​

A similar notice was issued to Congress President Mallikarjun Kharge over complaints made against Rahul Gandhi by the BJP​

The Election Commission of India has issued notice to BJP President J.P. Nadda seeking the party’s response on complaints of violation of the Model Code of Conduct by Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The ECI has asked the BJP to respond by April 29.

A similar notice was issued to Congress President Mallikarjun Kharge over complaints made against Rahul Gandhi by the BJP. The letters from the EC to the two party presidents did not directly name either Mr. Modi, Mr. Gandhi or Mr. Kharge, but the representations received by it were attached to the respective letters and they contained details of allegations against the three leaders.

The ECI has invoked Section 77 of the Representation of the People Act and held the party presidents responsible, as a first step, to rein in star campaigners.

“Star Campaigners are expected to contribute to a higher quality of discourse by way of providing an all-India perspective, which sometimes gets distorted in the heat of the contests at the local level. Thus, the expectation from Star Campaigners is to provide corrective action or a sort of healing touch, when intensity of local campaign disrupts or inadvertently crosses over such boundaries,” wrote Senior Principal Secretary Narendra N. Butolia in the letter to Mr. Nadda.

Election Commission issues notice to BJP chief Nadda on complaints of model code violation by PM Modi

Election Commission of India issues notice to BJP President for Model Code of Conduct violation by PM Modi.

www.thehindu.com

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys don't mud sling against each others it doesn't suit you people.

 

[IAJ]

Apoorvananad - 24 Apr 2024

And the Election Commission of India is allowing it.
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) have decided that they will contest this seven-phase national election as champions of Hindu interests. They have also made it clear that protecting Hindu interests means protecting them from Muslims.

According to them, the Hindu majority face danger as the opposition Congress party is conspiring with the Muslim community to rob them of their wealth and entitlements and hand them over to Muslims.

On Sunday, the prime minister told a rally in Rajasthan that if the opposition comes to power, it will take Hindus’ wealth and give it to those “who have more children”, clearly referring to Muslims. He then went on to call the Muslim community “infiltrators”.

Modi’s comments caused outrage in some quarters. Citizens and organisations from across the country have asked the Election Commission of India (ECI) to take action against him for his hate speech.

The rights group People’s Union of Civil Liberties has even demanded that Modi be disqualified from contesting elections for that overt communal incitement.

These reactions did not result in any change of rhetoric; in fact, the prime minister doubled down two days later.

On Tuesday, in his address at another election rally in Rajasthan, Modi once again claimed that the Congress was conspiring to take the wealth of Hindus and distribute it among “select” people.

To ensure that there was no ambiguity, Modi went on to suggest that the Congress was going to take away the share of reservations – or quotas in education, employment, government schemes etc – for backward classes, scheduled castes, and tribal people and give it to Muslims. This was a clear attempt to scare the backward and Dalit sections of the Hindu electorate into voting for the BJP.


Also on Tuesday, Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh state Yogi Adityanath said the Congress wanted to implement Islamic law. This was a clear attempt to raise the scare of Islamisation of India.

Modi is considered an expert in dog-whistling. He has mastered the art of insulting, mocking, and attacking Muslims without uttering the word Muslim.


For example, during his time as chief minister of Gujarat state in 2002, riots took place that evicted thousands of Muslims from their homes and forced them into relief camps. When the state government started demolishing these camps and faced criticism over it, Modi said he could not allow “children-producing factories” to operate.

Without uttering the word Muslim, he said these were people whose motto was “We are five, ours are 25”. That referred to Muslim men supposedly marrying four times and having 25 children.

In his subsequent speeches, he continued pitting Hindus against Muslims with the help of innuendos, such as “pink revolution” (non-vegetarianism) and “white revolution” (vegetarianism) or graveyards (referring to the Muslim burial practices) and crematoriums (referring to the Hindu practice of burning remains).

In Sunday’s speech, Modi directly referred to Muslims as “those who produce more children” and “infiltrators”, evoking a sinister conspiracy theory that the Muslims are outsiders and aim to outnumber the Hindu majority.

The prime minister is clearly playing a dangerous game, turning the election into a war between Hindus and Muslims, and the BJP is openly calling itself the party of Hindus. It is not wrong to conclude from his speech that he has accepted that his voters are only Hindus. Other leaders of his party have made that clear as well. Last year, Assam Chief Minister Himanta Biswa Sarma declared that he did not want the votes of Miya (Bengali-speaking Muslims).

Some analysts feel that the BJP has become desperate as it has not received the expected support in the first phase of the elections. This desperation has driven it to try its old formula of Hindu polarisation by generating the fear of a Muslim takeover of India.

But if we look at Modi’s speeches since the beginning of this election campaign, we can see that right from the start, he has been giving statements that portray the opposition parties as anti-Hindu. For example, he said the Congress manifesto bore the “imprint of the Muslim League”, referring to the political party founded under British colonialism to secure Muslim rights.

He also claimed that the opposition leaders had the mindset of Mughals, India’s 16-18th century Muslim rulers, and that they insulted Hindus by eating fish during sacred Hindu occasions and eating meat during the Hindu holy month of Sawan. He said they do so to please their “own” voters. Who can these voters be but Muslims?


That the opposition leaders are indulging in anti-Hindu practices to appease Muslims is a completely absurd assertion given that the opposition also needs Hindu votes and cannot afford to do anything to alienate them. But lack of logic has not stopped Modi and the BJP from repeating these claims in an attempt to provoke Hindus against Muslims.

This is a clear violation of the ECI’s Model Code of Conduct, according to which, no one is allowed to solicit votes or campaign on religious or communal grounds.

It is also a violation of the People’s Representative Act, which treats communal propaganda as a crime. The law says, “Appeals by a candidate, or any other person with the consent of a candidate, to vote or refrain from voting on the ground of his religion, race, caste, community or language is a corrupt electoral practice.” If found guilty under this provision, an individual can face up to six years in jail.

It was this provision of the Act that led to a six-year election ban in 1999 on Bal Thackeray, the founder of the Shiv Sena party, over his attempts at communal incitement.

Despite calls for action to stem the BJP’s use of inciting speech in the ongoing elections, the ECI has been completely silent on the issue. That is because it is a compromised body.


In December, the BJP managed to push legislation through parliament that changed the composition of the selection committee tasked with appointing election commissioners. Earlier the chief justice of India (CJI) was part of it, along with the prime minister and the leader of the opposition. Now the CJI has been replaced with a minister to be selected by the prime minister.

That is how the ECI lost its independence. It has been behaving like a government body ever since, issuing notices to the opposition leaders for small lapses and taking no action on grave violations by the leaders of the BJP. This effectively means that elections in India are also compromised.

As BJP’s inciting campaign continues, Muslims are being advised by their well-wishers not to react as it will make Hindus gravitate towards the BJP. Muslims are keeping quiet, but so are the ECI and the courts. In this deafening silence, we are mourning the death of democracy in India.

Modi wants to turn India’s election into a Hindu-Muslim war

And the Election Commission of India is allowing it.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Romali_rotti]

Officially this board needs to change its name to: Modipassion.net

PM Modi is the most popular leader on this board it seems, that tells you something.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Officially this board needs to change its name to: Modipassion.net

PM Modi is the most popular leader on this board it seems, that tells you something.

He is an intriguing character and India is in an intriguing position.

From even a completey neutral perspective the path that a 1 billion population nation takes is a very interesting one. As Pakistanis the path it takes also has an effect on us ( whether direct or indirect) so there is some interest in what's going on next door.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Everyone except andhbhakhts can see this.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Officially this board needs to change its name to: Modipassion.net

PM Modi is the most popular leader on this board it seems, that tells you something.

So you have nothing to say about the topic at hand? There is a suggestions section on this board. Kindly give your wonderful suggestions there and keep this thread clean from your trolling.

 

[Rajdeep]

He is an intriguing character and India is in an intriguing position.

From even a completey neutral perspective the path that a 1 billion population nation takes is a very interesting one. As Pakistanis the path it takes also has an effect on us ( whether direct or indirect) so there is some interest in what's going on next door.

False equivalence as India is not taking any extreme path like Pakistan where only muslims can become PM or hold any public post, where no minority cricketer gets into its national team, where people gets butchered for blasphemy law etc etc. Indian muslims are flourishing in each and every sector let it be in bollywood, cricket, entrepreneurship everywhere. So the comparison with Pakistan is moot point.

As far as present Modi regime is concern, you need to understand the context. India has always been ruled by invaders whether they were Islamic rulers or British Raj for 1000 years. All these rulers were nepotist meaning Kings son will become next king. Babar followed by Humayun followed by Akbar followed by Jahangir followed by Shah Jahan followed Aurangazeb etc etc. Same was followed during the British rule. The fact that a common man outside those families can also become king one day was unthinkable. When India got independence in 1947, Gandhi ji made Jawaharlal Nehru as the prime minister even though he didn't deserve it. India got independence but that colonial hangover never went out and that is why Nehru followed by her daughter Indira then to her son Rajiv and now that clown Rahul. Narendra Modi, a tea seller from Vadnagar railway station and a part time sweeper in RSS office broke that stereotype and shown that the rule of India can't be allocated to one family. This shift is something that champagne sipping liberals and elites can't tolerate however it resonates very well with common man and hence he is so popular.

Congress leaders over the years used muslims for vote bank politics. They said Muslims should have first right to countries resources where as Modi says every poor irrespective of religion should have that right. Who is correct?

Congress gave special status to J&K based on religion and also was about to do the same in Hyderabad before High court intervened where as Modi removed article 370 to make the state more inclusive. Who is correct?

Congress brought in personal laws based on religion where as Modi removed triple talaq favouring poor muslim women. Who is correct?

Millions of hindus believe Ayodhya is the birth place of Lord Rama...Congress didn't do anything where as a glorious Ram temple stands there now under the leadership of Modi. Who is correct?

Narendra Modi has done more for muslims, especially muslim women than any congress leaders. However he refused to do any minority appeasement like 'muslims should have first right' logic congress followed.

The above reasons followed by loads of development work, govt schemes, free ration for poor, 100% electrification in villages, school toilets, swacch bharat (clean India campaign), G20 success, bullet trains, top 5 economy, successful covid vaccination of 1.5 billion Indians etc etc etc is the reason why people loves and adore him so much. I mean I can go on and on and on about the effort this man has put for the development of the country since 2014.

This is 10th year running of Modi govt and not a single paisa corruption charge has been proved where as by 10th year of Manmohan govt people were on street fighting corruption.

Imagine a 74 year old man with no family, works for 18 hours every day tirelessly for the betterment of the country, has not taken a single day of holiday since 2014, spends his Diwali with army, holi with children and then compare it with a 55 year old youth icon who hardly stays in India, most of the time holidaying in Thailand, who has never hold any public post, whenever opens his mouth his IT cell team has to edit the video, who wants to be PM only bcoz he is the son of ex PM and his nose resembles that with his grandmother.

I am asking you - who would you choose?

Narendra Modi is not just a leader - he is an emotion and inspiration for millions of Indians.

He is the biggest super star the country has ever seen and needless to say by far the greatest PM India has ever produced.

The day he goes, India will go back to those dark days which is something these congressi supporters want. Then they gets upset when we call them anti nationals.

 

[Romali_rotti]

He is an intriguing character and India is in an intriguing position.

From even a completey neutral perspective the path that a 1 billion population nation takes is a very interesting one. As Pakistanis the path it takes also has an effect on us ( whether direct or indirect) so there is some interest in what's going on next door.

Agreed and good post.

However, there is a dedicated Narendra Modi thread with a gazzilion pages, not sure why OP couldn't add this to that thread. Either way Modi is the talk of the town on PP. Being on this board for nearly 20 years, I have never seen any Indian or another foreign national given this much attention on PakPassion..

The man is special, hate or love him, he is once in a lifetime leader.

 

[big_gamer007]

What’s the point of this new thread when there’s already a thread on Modi?
Just put this post in that one.

 

[big_gamer007]

Everyone except andhbhakhts can see this.

I don’t think he actually wants a war. He just wants to polarise the voters so majority votes for BJP.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

False equivalence as India is not taking any extreme path like Pakistan where only muslims can become PM or hold any public post, where no minority cricketer gets into its national team, where people gets butchered for blasphemy law etc etc. Indian muslims are flourishing in each and every sector let it be in bollywood, cricket, entrepreneurship everywhere. So the comparison with Pakistan is moot point.

As far as present Modi regime is concern, you need to understand the context. India has always been ruled by invaders whether they were Islamic rulers or British Raj for 1000 years. All these rulers were nepotist meaning Kings son will become next king. Babar followed by Humayun followed by Akbar followed by Jahangir followed by Shah Jahan followed Aurangazeb etc etc. Same was followed during the British rule. The fact that a common man outside those families can also become king one day was unthinkable. When India got independence in 1947, Gandhi ji made Jawaharlal Nehru as the prime minister even though he didn't deserve it. India got independence but that colonial hangover never went out and that is why Nehru followed by her daughter Indira then to her son Rajiv and now that clown Rahul. Narendra Modi, a tea seller from Vadnagar railway station and a part time sweeper in RSS office broke that stereotype and shown that the rule of India can't be allocated to one family. This shift is something that champagne sipping liberals and elites can't tolerate however it resonates very well with common man and hence he is so popular.

Congress leaders over the years used muslims for vote bank politics. They said Muslims should have first right to countries resources where as Modi says every poor irrespective of religion should have that right. Who is correct?

Congress gave special status to J&K based on religion and also was about to do the same in Hyderabad before High court intervened where as Modi removed article 370 to make the state more inclusive. Who is correct?

Congress brought in personal laws based on religion where as Modi removed triple talaq favouring poor muslim women. Who is correct?

Millions of hindus believe Ayodhya is the birth place of Lord Rama...Congress didn't do anything where as a glorious Ram temple stands there now under the leadership of Modi. Who is correct?

Narendra Modi has done more for muslims, especially muslim women than any congress leaders. However he refused to do any minority appeasement like 'muslims should have first right' logic congress followed.

The above reasons followed by loads of development work, govt schemes, free ration for poor, 100% electrification in villages, school toilets, swacch bharat (clean India campaign), G20 success, bullet trains, top 5 economy, successful covid vaccination of 1.5 billion Indians etc etc etc is the reason why people loves and adore him so much. I mean I can go on and on and on about the effort this man has put for the development of the country since 2014.

This is 10th year running of Modi govt and not a single paisa corruption charge has been proved where as by 10th year of Manmohan govt people were on street fighting corruption.

Imagine a 74 year old man with no family, works for 18 hours every day tirelessly for the betterment of the country, has not taken a single day of holiday since 2014, spends his Diwali with army, holi with children and then compare it with a 55 year old youth icon who hardly stays in India, most of the time holidaying in Thailand, who has never hold any public post, whenever opens his mouth his IT cell team has to edit the video, who wants to be PM only bcoz he is the son of ex PM and his nose resembles that with his grandmother.

I am asking you - who would you choose?

Narendra Modi is not just a leader - he is an emotion and inspiration for millions of Indians.

He is the biggest super star the country has ever seen and needless to say by far the greatest PM India has ever produced.

The day he goes, India will go back to those dark days which is something these congressi supporters want. Then they gets upset when we call them anti nationals.

I wasn't making a comparison between India and Pakistan. I was just making a point that the Indian election results has regional ramifications.

Yeah I would probably pick Modi over most Pakistani leaders but his constant minority baiting is a real black mark for me.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Agreed and good post.

However, there is a dedicated Narendra Modi thread with a gazzilion pages, not sure why OP couldn't add this to that thread. Either way Modi is the talk of the town on PP. Being on this board for nearly 20 years, I have never seen any Indian or another foreign national given this much attention on PakPassion..

The man is special, hate or love him, he is once in a lifetime leader.

He has transformed the Indian ( Hindu) psyche.

Now Hindus walk around abroad with their chest puffed out able to look everyone in the eye and thinking most people are below them.

Pre Modi this wasn't the case.

I genuinely admire him for the sense of pride and patriotism ( sometimes false and exaggerated) he has instilled.

But as I said to Rajdeep he has some sinister undertones. He is now in a position to put forward some civic nationalism rather than ethnic or religious. Make himself the leader of all of India. Sadly he seems more comfortable operating in the gutter at times.

 

[Romali_rotti]

He has transformed the Indian ( Hindu) psyche.

Now Hindus walk around abroad with their chest puffed out able to look everyone in the eye and thinking most people are below them.

I don't know about the above, that seems way over extreme. Hindus may feel more proud and as their dharmic conscience is more awake. However, Hindus abroad looking down on people is something I personally have never felt.

Pre Modi this wasn't the case.

Agreed, Pre Modi, my Italian ammayi and her brain dead son was running the show, do whatever you want, do as many frauds as you want, pay as little tax as you want, the world is your oyster.

I genuinely admire him for the sense of pride and patriotism ( sometimes false and exaggerated) he has instilled.

Same and Agree with the rest.

But as I said to Rajdeep he has some sinister undertones. He is now in a position to put forward some civic nationalism rather than ethnic or religious. Make himself the leader of all of India. Sadly he seems more comfortable operating in the gutter at times.

No politician is perfect, PM Modi has his good/bad, however he is exactly what India needs to take them to the next level. For all the anti muslim rhetoric, ever since the PM came to power India's relationship with the middle east has been the strongest it has ever been, heck arab leaders are even building temples to appease him. Modi government tactically bought Russian Oil for pennies and sold it to the Americans and other countries for profit while not managing to **** the west off by supporting Russia, talk about having your cake and getting to keep eating it over and over and over.

The PM is very close to his Hindu roots, however I feel 90% of it is to fool the public and that is exactly what you need to do to be a good politician. He gets a large chunk of the Hindu population on his side and drives India's growth, if it is the religious aspect he uses to get to his goal well then so be it, he is focused on India and nothing else...

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I don't know about the above, that seems way over extreme. Hindus may feel more proud and as their dharmic conscience is more awake. However, Hindus abroad looking down on people is something I personally have never felt.

Agreed, Pre Modi, my Italian ammayi and her brain dead son was running the show, do whatever you want, do as many frauds as you want, pay as little tax as you want, the world is your oyster.

Same and Agree with the rest.

No politician is perfect, PM Modi has his good/bad, however he is exactly what India needs to take them to the next level. For all the anti muslim rhetoric, ever since the PM came to power India's relationship with the middle east has been the strongest it has ever been, heck arab leaders are even building temples to appease him. Modi government tactically bought Russian Oil for pennies and sold it to the Americans and other countries for profit while not managing to **** the west off by supporting Russia, talk about having your cake and getting to keep eating it over and over and over.

The PM is very close to his Hindu roots, however I feel 90% of it is to fool the public and that is exactly what you need to do to be a good politician. He gets a large chunk of the Hindu population on his side and drives India's growth, if it is the religious aspect he uses to get to his goal well then so be it, he is focused on India and nothing else...

Modi and his hindu roots lol. He is pretty good at making people fool though.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This girl from AMU raised some valid points which Modi lovers will find it hard to answer.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

He has transformed the Indian ( Hindu) psyche.

Now Hindus walk around abroad with their chest puffed out able to look everyone in the eye and thinking most people are below them.

Pre Modi this wasn't the case.

I genuinely admire him for the sense of pride and patriotism ( sometimes false and exaggerated) he has instilled.

But as I said to Rajdeep he has some sinister undertones. He is now in a position to put forward some civic nationalism rather than ethnic or religious. Make himself the leader of all of India. Sadly he seems more comfortable operating in the gutter at times.

Honestly seems to me that hindus felt like their culture was previously viewed as a soft touch and they were a bit jealous of Islam's no compromise on values position - something which Andrew Tate has said attracted him. Modi has appealed to that emotion of hindus and that seems to be the root of his popularity rather than his actual policies.

As for those moaning that there should only be one thread for Modi, please understand that all Pakistan politicians also have lots of threads when there is a big news item breaks relating to them.

 

[pillionrider]

2 pages of the thread later, bhakts are talking nonsense about this and that and trying hard to ignore the fact that Modi has been lying about the Congress manifesto.

What Rahulg said the other day is so true about their leader, and perhaps even them


When Modi gets scared he starts lying.

 

[Red-Indian]

Honestly seems to me that hindus felt like their culture was previously viewed as a soft touch and they were a bit jealous of Islam's no compromise on values position - something which Andrew Tate has said attracted him. Modi has appealed to that emotion of hindus and that seems to be the root of his popularity rather than his actual policies.

As for those moaning that there should only be one thread for Modi, please understand that all Pakistan politicians also have lots of threads when there is a big news item breaks relating to them.

Honestly, I think you might be on to something there. All religious people are weird. But Muslims are in general a little more confident in their weirdness. They know they're absurd in their beliefs and trust and love it blindly.

Hindus have been much more diffident about their religion. They have looked for more acceptance and rationality in what is essentially irrational.

India's new found prominence and (limited) prosperity plus Modi's empty rhetoric have given Hindus a little more confidence and it's showing through on internet comments everywhere.

 

[pillionrider]

This girl from AMU raised some valid points which Modi lovers will find it hard to answer.

Even with all the confidence that Modi might have instilled in them, you can probably count on your fingers the number of bhakts who can stand in front of her and try and debate her


But it's also a sad video to watch because you can see she's trying to keep her spirits up, but there is that sinking feeling.

 

[pillionrider]

Honestly, I think you might be on to something there. All religious people are weird. But Muslims are in general a little more confident in their weirdness. They know they're absurd in their beliefs and trust and love it blindly.

Hindus have been much more diffident about their religion. They have looked for more acceptance and rationality in what is essentially irrational.

India's new found prominence and (limited) prosperity plus Modi's empty rhetoric have given Hindus a little more confidence and it's showing through on internet comments everywhere.

Yup. I've previously said that Hindus under Modi seem to be in competition with Muslims.

You take something as basic as:
Where some Muslims have turned "Allahu Akbar" into a warcry rather than what it means, some Hindus have done the same with "Jai Shri Ram."

 

[Red-Indian]

Yup. I've previously said that Hindus under Modi seem to be in competition with Muslims.

You take something as basic as:
Where some Muslims have turned "Allahu Akbar" into a warcry rather than what it means, some Hindus have done the same with "Jai Shri Ram."

I know it's election season and I respect your belief in an opposition victory but it's going to take a long, long while to roll this nonsense back. Idiots like Modi, Imran Khan, Trump etc. are dominating the political discourse. And they're doing it democratically with support from the 'bhakts' in every nation.

I should've been alive in the 70s. Maybe it's grass is greener syndrome but feels like there was a genuine optimism there. A desire for freedom, rationality and movement away from national and religious dogmas.

Now it's time to be a lot more realistic and pragmatic. Look for practical solutions and don't worry about ideology.

 

[pillionrider]

I know it's election season and I respect your belief in an opposition victory but it's going to take a long, long while to roll this nonsense back. Idiots like Modi, Imran Khan, Trump etc. are dominating the political discourse. And they're doing it democratically with support from the 'bhakts' in every nation.

I should've been alive in the 70s. Maybe it's grass is greener syndrome but feels like there was a genuine optimism there. A desire for freedom, rationality and movement away from national and religious dogmas.

Now it's time to be a lot more realistic and pragmatic. Look for practical solutions and don't worry about ideology.

In daily practice, I'm atheist. So the way I see this - and I've noticed this pan-religion. There is a section among all religions that have gotten more conservative, bookish and protective in their approach to their faith. They are also loud and so we tend to hear them more than the quiet ones who are relatively still chill about their faith.

And the way I choose to interpret this is - it's like the last shrill cry of a dying concept. The concept of religion. Religion is actually on its way out and the insecurity over this inevitability is what's causing what at times feels like desperation.

To clarify, when I say on its way out, I'm not talking a few years. Maybe it will take a 100 years, maybe even lesser. But in the context of human history and the number of religions and gods that have come and gone, a 100 years is close to nothing.

 

[Red-Indian]

In daily practice, I'm atheist. So the way I see this - and I've noticed this pan-religion. There is a section among all religions that have gotten more conservative, bookish and protective in their approach to their faith. They are also loud and so we tend to hear them more than the quiet ones who are relatively still chill about their faith.

And the way I choose to interpret this is - it's like the last shrill cry of a dying concept. The concept of religion. Religion is actually on its way out and the insecurity over this inevitability is what's causing what at times feels like desperation.

To clarify, when I say on its way out, I'm not talking a few years. Maybe it will take a 100 years, maybe even lesser. But in the context of human history and the number of religions and gods that have come and gone, a 100 years is close to nothing.

Ghee shakkar in your mouth. Maybe my daughter will see it if I don't.

 

[RexRex]

India's new found prominence and (limited) prosperity plus Modi's empty rhetoric have given Hindus a little more confidence and it's showing through on internet comments everywhere.

Isn't that because of the super-cheap data plans that were rolled out by Ambani in the last decade during the BJP era ? The hindi heartland from a billion plus nation has invaded the internet with their comments lol.

 

[JaDed]

I know it's election season and I respect your belief in an opposition victory but it's going to take a long, long while to roll this nonsense back. Idiots like Modi, Imran Khan, Trump etc. are dominating the political discourse. And they're doing it democratically with support from the 'bhakts' in every nation.

I should've been alive in the 70s. Maybe it's grass is greener syndrome but feels like there was a genuine optimism there. A desire for freedom, rationality and movement away from national and religious dogmas.

Now it's time to be a lot more realistic and pragmatic. Look for practical solutions and don't worry about ideology.

The 70s is when Student leaders like Mulayam, Lalu , Nitish, Ravi Shankar took roots.

Emergency's Class of 1975: Activists Then, Leaders Now

Emergency was imposed in the country exactly 40 years ago today. In that summer of discontent, many of the country's top leaders, across parties, began their political journeys. Union Ministers Arun Jaitley and Ravi Shankar Prasad and Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar are among the batch of 1975...

www.ndtv.com

 

[Red-Indian]

Isn't that because of the super-cheap data plans that were rolled out by Ambani in the last decade during the BJP era ? The hindi heartland from a billion plus nation has invaded the internet with their comments lol.

Who knows? I haven't seen any data on the number of Indian internet users supporting Modi but the number of Indians on the internet has certainly exploded.

600+ million people on the internet is certainly going to result in a few weirdos.

 

[RexRex]

Who knows? I haven't seen any data on the number of Indian internet users supporting Modi but the number of Indians on the internet has certainly exploded.

According to your graph, 400 million Indians have started using the internet since Modi first got elected in 2014.

 

[Red-Indian]

According to your graph, 400 million Indians have started using the internet since Modi first got elected in 2014.

Yeah it's been a crazy explosion. I'm sure sure graphs in Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. will look similarly explosive but I'm too lazy to look for data plus it's midnight on a Friday

 

[Red-Indian]

The 70s is when Student leaders like Mulayam, Lalu , Nitish, Ravi Shankar took roots.

Emergency's Class of 1975: Activists Then, Leaders Now

Emergency was imposed in the country exactly 40 years ago today. In that summer of discontent, many of the country's top leaders, across parties, began their political journeys. Union Ministers Arun Jaitley and Ravi Shankar Prasad and Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar are among the batch of 1975...

www.ndtv.com

Yeah they're all children of the emergency and Jayaprakash Narayan's resistance movement. It was an idealistic era that got diluted subsequently.

 

[JaDed]

Yeah they're all children of the emergency and Jayaprakash Narayan's resistance movement. It was an idealistic era that got diluted subsequently.

Which is what happens with idealism : Communists 1977-2000s in Bengal are an example too, inherited a decent economy that to ruin it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The funny thing is, Maldives president just won the election playing the religion card. Most Pakistani's in this forum were celebrating it as some sort of vindication. However they want Modi to be defeated and want India to have a secular. I am 32 year old man and till today never understood this hypocrisy.

Most pakistanis on this forum were celebrating conversion of Hagia Sofia into a mosque but were up in arms when Ram Mandir was built.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Most pakistanis on this forum were celebrating conversion of Hagia Sofia into a mosque but were up in arms when Ram Mandir was built.

That isn't hypocrisy though, it's a fundamental position of Islam. It seems like you want to take up the same position but from a hardline hindu position. Is that still hinduism though, or just mimicry because you secretly admire the Islamic approach?

 

[cricketjoshila]

That isn't hypocrisy though, it's a fundamental position of Islam. It seems like you want to take up the same position but from a hardline hindu position. Is that still hinduism though, or just mimicry because you secretly admire the Islamic approach?

What fundamental position of Islam?

Islam asks that when in majority treat followers of other religions poorly, convert their place of worship?

And when in minority talk about secularism, pluralism, minority rights and ask for concessions?

 

[rpant_gabba]

That isn't hypocrisy though, it's a fundamental position of Islam. It seems like you want to take up the same position but from a hardline hindu position. Is that still hinduism though, or just mimicry because you secretly admire the Islamic approach?

nothing admirable about it.

you just described islamic position that resembles that of a virus or parasite. Maybe why most of western world has woken up to the fundamental islamic position and pushing back.

 

[uppercut]

That isn't hypocrisy though, it's a fundamental position of Islam. It seems like you want to take up the same position but from a hardline hindu position. Is that still hinduism though, or just mimicry because you secretly admire the Islamic approach?

Well lets simplify this shall we ? ... since you are such a ardent proponent of the greatness/goodness/*.ness of Western "Value" system ... why dont you enlighten us on how the western world evaluates this ?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Most pakistanis on this forum were celebrating conversion of Hagia Sofia into a mosque but were up in arms when Ram Mandir was built.

I think you have cried more about the Hagia Sophia than the Orthodox Greeks.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

That isn't hypocrisy though, it's a fundamental position of Islam. It seems like you want to take up the same position but from a hardline hindu position. Is that still hinduism though, or just mimicry because you secretly admire the Islamic approach?

Fundamental position of Islam according to the scriptures is to not damage any holy place or insult their beliefs. This is 100% the case for Jewish/Christian places the worship I'm not sure about Hindu ones but I believe it is the case.

Babar, if he converted the Ram Mandir, did something that was against the fundamental position, as did Mehmed with the Aya Sophia.

However, taking other places of worship was a common form of warfare at the time. Rival Hindu Kingdoms sacked temples of other kingdoms. When I asked some Hindus here their thoughts about it one replied that it was ok as it dharmic doing it to a dharmic.

Religious symbols and buildings were synonymous with kings and kingdoms. So when a new ruler came in, they put their own stamp on it as a show of authority. It had very little religious significance, it was just a sign of being conquered.

Some Indians jump up and down with their knickers twisted about the Aya Sophia and Erdogan. Technically Erdogan didn't do anything wrong - the building was turned into a museum by Kemal or Kemalists and he turned it back into a mosque ( which it was prior to the turkish kemalists changing it). It no longer had religious significance to Christians in the region. You can argue that mehmed converting it to a church in the first place was wrong and I would accept that.

What BJP did to Babri Masjid has no comparison to Erdogan. Their thugs destroyed a holy building with their bare hands.
On a sidenote I believe Mughals built or facilitated the building of more mandirs than they destroyed. Im not 100% on this - still researching but fairly confident.

 

[uppercut]

Fundamental position of Islam according to the scriptures is to not damage any holy place or insult their beliefs. This is 100% the case for Jewish/Christian places the worship I'm not sure about Hindu ones but I believe it is the case.

Babar, if he converted the Ram Mandir, did something that was against the fundamental position, as did Mehmed with the Aya Sophia.

However, taking other places of worship was a common form of warfare at the time. Rival Hindu Kingdoms sacked temples of other kingdoms. When I asked some Hindus here their thoughts about it one replied that it was ok as it dharmic doing it to a dharmic.

Religious symbols and buildings were synonymous with kings and kingdoms. So when a new ruler came in, they put their own stamp on it as a show of authority. It had very little religious significance, it was just a sign of being conquered.

Some Indians jump up and down with their knickers twisted about the Aya Sophia and Erdogan. Technically Erdogan didn't do anything wrong - the building was turned into a museum by Kemal or Kemalists and he turned it back into a mosque ( which it was prior to the turkish kemalists changing it). It no longer had religious significance to Christians in the region. You can argue that mehmed converting it to a church in the first place was wrong and I would accept that.

What BJP did to Babri Masjid has no comparison to Erdogan. Their thugs destroyed a holy building with their bare hands.
On a sidenote I believe Mughals built or facilitated the building of more mandirs than they destroyed. Im not 100% on this - still researching but fairly confident.

Will you be willing to engage in a very serious
and totally facts based discussion on this topic? Iam Asking because it will be lengthy and I am yet to see a Pakistani commit to such a discussion. Invariably such a discussion ends up with trolling, insults and such like for which I have very little time. Let me know

 

[PakLFC]

RSS and BJP followers will still insist it was not hate speech! As if non Muslim's of India don't make kids. It is a complete myth that Muslim's of India conceive more children.

 

[globetrotter]

By making such promise on distributing 50% Hindu’s property to Muslims l, congress wanted to join the great list of Mohd.Bin Qasim, Mohd.Ghazni, Mohd.Ghori, Timur, Tughlaq, Babur, Auragazeb, Durrani and Britishers

 

[uppercut]

As if non Muslim's of India don't make kids. It is a complete myth that Muslim's of India conceive more

Considering that the Muslim population in India today is higher than the entire population of Pakistan how do you explain that statement of yours mathematically.... ( never mind logically or factually )

 

[PakLFC]

Considering that the Muslim population in India today is higher than the entire population of Pakistan how do you explain that statement of yours mathematically.... ( never mind logically or factually )

Most Indian Muslim's live on the margin always being ridiculed and bullied. I don't see what your point is?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Jeez. Rss islamophobia in overdrive.
====

'Invisible in our own country': Being Muslim in Modi's India​

Six years ago, a Muslim boy returned red-faced from a well-known school in the northern Indian city of Agra.

"My classmates called me a Pakistani terrorist," the nine-year-old told his mother.

Reema Ahmad, an author and counsellor, remembers the day vividly.

"Here was a feisty, little boy with his fists clenched so tightly that there were nail marks in his palm. He was so angry."

As her son told the story, his classmates were having a mock fight when the teacher had stepped out.

"That's when one group of boys pointed at him and said, 'This is a Pakistani terrorist. Kill him!'"

He revealed some classmates had also called him nali ka kida (insect of the gutter). Ms Ahmad complained, and was told they "were imagining things… such things didn't happen".

Ms Ahmad eventually pulled her son out of school. Today, the 16-year-old is home-schooled.

"I sensed the community's tremors through my son's experiences, a feeling I never recall having in my own youth growing up here," she says.

"Our class privilege may have protected us from feeling Muslim all the time. Now, it seems class and privilege make you a more visible target."

Bimal Thankachan Reema Ahmad (treated picture)Bimal Thankachan
Reema Ahmad pulled her son out of a well-known school after classmates called him a 'Pakistani terrorist'
Ever since Narendra Modi's Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) swept to power in 2014, India's 200 million-odd Muslims have had a turbulent journey.

Hindu vigilante mobs have lynched suspected cow traders and targeted small Muslim-owned businesses. Petitions have been filed against mosques. Internet trolls have orchestrated online "auctions" of Muslim women. Right-wing groups and sections of mainstream media have fuelled Islamophobia with accusations of "jihad" - "love jihad", for example, falsely accuses Muslim men of converting Hindu women by marriage.

And anti-Muslim hate speech has surged - three quarters of incidents were reported from states ruled by the BJP.

"Muslims have become second-class citizens, an invisible minority in their own country," says Ziya Us Salam, author of a new book, Being Muslim in Hindu India.

But the BJP - and Mr Modi - deny that minorities are being mistreated in India.

"These are usual tropes of some people who don't bother to meet people outside their bubbles. Even India's minorities don't buy this narrative anymore," the prime minister told Newsweek magazine.

Yet Ms Ahmad - whose family has lived in Agra for decades, counting many Hindu friends amid the city's serpentine lanes and crowded homes - feels a change.

In 2019, Ms Ahmad left a school WhatsApp group where she was one of only two Muslims. This followed the posting of a message after India launched air strikes against militants in Muslim-majority Pakistan.

"If they hit us with missiles, we will enter their homes and kill them," the message on the group said, echoing something Mr Modi had said about killing terrorists and enemies of India inside their homes.

"I lost my cool. I told my friends what's wrong with you? Do you condone killing of civilians and children?" Ms Ahmad recalled. She believed in advocating for peace.

The reaction was swift.

"Someone asked, are you pro-Pakistani just because you are Muslim? They accused me of being anti-national," she said.

"Suddenly appealing for non-violence was equated with being anti-national. I told them I don't have to be violent to support my country. I quit the group."

Source: BBC