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By digging on a trench on main GT Road and destroying the road altogether

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Trench Dug on GT Road... to stop TLP from coming to Islamabad... how will this country ever progress? It is always at hostage with itself, now imagine the loss in trade/connectivity... and not to mention that this is never going to get fixed and repaired for ages until after causing massive traffic jams for some time....
 
Maybe they should take a leaf out of General Dyer like he did in Jallianwala Bagh? Machine gun everyone so that then people like you can criticize them for heavy handed stuff?
 
or maybe parties like Imran Khan should had not supported TLP against PMLN. Should not had given them backing like Sheikh Rasheed and co did. When you empower someone they will always come back to bite you..... Maybe the PTI shouldn't had backed the army who was giving financial support to such groups.

Today the army has got the same group against the favorite child

Dugging a trench on main GT road is no answer. Its rainy season here now, and this treanch will fill up with water further destroying the road. People will not be able to travel from this road until it gets fixed.

Also, in Pakistan it can take weeks or even months to fix a road.

I said it back than. If you back TLP or the army today, they will come back to bite you tomr. This what happened with PMLN and now the same is happening with PTI. Never mix religion with politics.
 
or maybe parties like Imran Khan should had not supported TLP against PMLN. Should not had given them backing like Sheikh Rasheed and co did. When you empower someone they will always come back to bite you..... Maybe the PTI shouldn't had backed the army who was giving financial support to such groups.

Today the army has got the same group against the favorite child

Dugging a trench on main GT road is no answer. Its rainy season here now, and this treanch will fill up with water further destroying the road. People will not be able to travel from this road until it gets fixed.

Also, in Pakistan it can take weeks or even months to fix a road.

I said it back than. If you back TLP or the army today, they will come back to bite you tomr. This what happened with PMLN and now the same is happening with PTI. Never mix religion with politics.

I know you live in Pakistan bro and understand the situation better but tell me this.

Have you ever met anyone from TLP and had a casual conversation with them about how they can use the democratic process to air their concerns?

I suggest you don't.

Best to criticize on internet as its much safer.
 
By digging on a trench on main GT Road and destroying the road altogether

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Trench Dug on GT Road... to stop TLP from coming to Islamabad... how will this country ever progress? It is always at hostage with itself, now imagine the loss in trade/connectivity... and not to mention that this is never going to get fixed and repaired for ages until after causing massive traffic jams for some time....

What the heck.. This is not real!

Is it becoming that serious of a problem?
 
I know you live in Pakistan bro and understand the situation better but tell me this.

Have you ever met anyone from TLP and had a casual conversation with them about how they can use the democratic process to air their concerns?

I suggest you don't.

Best to criticize on internet as its much safer.

why did the state allow this group to exist? Thats the question that needs to be asked. No one wants to answer that.

Everyone knows the political history of Pakistan, that when religious parties are created, they can cause the fall of any govt.

PTI gave its support to TLP against PMLN just so that PTI could get power. When, you agree to one demand of TLP they feel more empowered.

I have had conversations with TLP supporters and they come off as complete idiots who dont understand how a country is run. But the problem is these people are empowered because of political parties like PTI and army
 
What the heck.. This is not real!

Is it becoming that serious of a problem?

Yup its true.

This group is not gonna go anywhere. Our political opposition of before 2018 gave this group alot of support in the name of religion. Our army was backing this group ang gave financial support to them which was caught on tape.

This is a very old and effective tool. TLP is actually a new group, in the past we hadSipah e Sahaba group which were used for similar things. What happens is that, the members do get detained but they are never forced to stand trial as FIR is not lodged against them. The army doesnt allow it.

We do dramaybazi of detaining them, but they will be allowed to get together and even fight for elections.

Our former ISI chief, Hamid Gul, had accepted on tv that he made IJI group. The IJI group was another group that was similar and was used against the PPP.

This time, the TLP is used on a motto of love for the prophet.

PTI empowered them when they wanted to remove PMLN at the time. And now as army doesnt seem to have good relations with PTI and as IMran Khan made some political statements on 12 rabiul awal, army is gonna cut his powers and use this group against him
 
Yup its true.

This group is not gonna go anywhere. Our political opposition of before 2018 gave this group alot of support in the name of religion. Our army was backing this group ang gave financial support to them which was caught on tape.

This is a very old and effective tool. TLP is actually a new group, in the past we hadSipah e Sahaba group which were used for similar things. What happens is that, the members do get detained but they are never forced to stand trial as FIR is not lodged against them. The army doesnt allow it.

We do dramaybazi of detaining them, but they will be allowed to get together and even fight for elections.

Our former ISI chief, Hamid Gul, had accepted on tv that he made IJI group. The IJI group was another group that was similar and was used against the PPP.

This time, the TLP is used on a motto of love for the prophet.

PTI empowered them when they wanted to remove PMLN at the time. And now as army doesnt seem to have good relations with PTI and as IMran Khan made some political statements on 12 rabiul awal, army is gonna cut his powers and use this group against him

I don't have skin in the game obviously, so take my opinion with a pinch of salt. But I think I've already said this before, I've always thought Imran was the best of the options out of all the leaders Pakistan got. I don't like all of his decisions, like using religion to aspire for a historic utopia rather than modernising Pakistan which is the need of the day. But all said and done, he is perhaps Pakistan's best choice in the sense that he's not corrupt and he's also not someone as radical as Zia was.

But I could sense the friction between the military establishment and Imran starting to develop when Imran stalled the new ISI selection by the COAS. I knew he was crossing lines where he shouldn't and was interested to see what this would mean for the future relationship between the PM and the establishment. And it feels like the current protest by TLP is the starting step to oust Imran. Driving the public opinion against Imran is not going to be a difficult job as the public sentiment is sort of turning against IK due to inflation and rising prices. Here I have sympathy for Imran because the economy has huge structural issues and any correction or austerity measures will inevitably lead to public suffering. The coming months are going to be interesting for sure.
 
why did the state allow this group to exist? Thats the question that needs to be asked. No one wants to answer that.

Everyone knows the political history of Pakistan, that when religious parties are created, they can cause the fall of any govt.

PTI gave its support to TLP against PMLN just so that PTI could get power. When, you agree to one demand of TLP they feel more empowered.

I have had conversations with TLP supporters and they come off as complete idiots who dont understand how a country is run. But the problem is these people are empowered because of political parties like PTI and army

How would you have not allowed this group to form?

Do you think someone who believes in Islam in that way will be told otherwise by PTI/Army or anyone else?
 
or maybe parties like Imran Khan should had not supported TLP against PMLN. Should not had given them backing like Sheikh Rasheed and co did. When you empower someone they will always come back to bite you..... Maybe the PTI shouldn't had backed the army who was giving financial support to such groups.

Today the army has got the same group against the favorite child

Dugging a trench on main GT road is no answer. Its rainy season here now, and this treanch will fill up with water further destroying the road. People will not be able to travel from this road until it gets fixed.

Also, in Pakistan it can take weeks or even months to fix a road.

I said it back than. If you back TLP or the army today, they will come back to bite you tomr. This what happened with PMLN and now the same is happening with PTI. Never mix religion with politics.

Rana he tells a different story about who supported the TLP dharna in Faizabad. Watch this commentary on the interview between Javed Ch( a proper licker of NS) and Rana Sanaullah. To get context watch from 5m but the revelations are at around 8min.
 
why did the state allow this group to exist? Thats the question that needs to be asked. No one wants to answer that.

Everyone knows the political history of Pakistan, that when religious parties are created, they can cause the fall of any govt.

PTI gave its support to TLP against PMLN just so that PTI could get power. When, you agree to one demand of TLP they feel more empowered.

I have had conversations with TLP supporters and they come off as complete idiots who dont understand how a country is run. But the problem is these people are empowered because of political parties like PTI and army

So you are saying the TLP shouldn't have been allowed to exist. Well the election commission was at the time was appointed by the PPP and the Nooras
 
So you are saying the TLP shouldn't have been allowed to exist. Well the election commission was at the time was appointed by the PPP and the Nooras

lol. I love this twisted logic.

We all know which party has been in bed with the likes of TLP and Taliban. You can try to divert blame using strawman arguments but that doesn't really help your case.
 
How would you have not allowed this group to form?

Do you think someone who believes in Islam in that way will be told otherwise by PTI/Army or anyone else?
Back in I think 2019, when TLP again did a protest, this time around the army was successful in removing them form the protest by force. When an army men or a military's convoy comes in, these rats always tend to run away.

Issue is they are now empowered. Each time when you cave into the demands of TLP, you end up empowering the TLP. When TLP empowers they get this sense of belief that by mobilizing they can make a difference.
First it was by reversing that Khatam e Nabowat Bill. In the protest, PTI, Army and Sheikh Rahseed gave their support to TLP. Once that bill got reverse, these people were more empowered that they can get their demands met.

Than tha Atif Mian protest happened, and again the demand of TLP was met.

Than the Asia Bibi event happened, where the govt guranteed TLP that Asia Bibi would not be allowed to fly away, again these tlp was empowered. Fawad Chaudry is on record saying that they negotiated with TLP and did not want to use force.
These fools kept empowering TLP, thinking that by sending them back we are solving a problem, but what was happening in reality was that while to save the govt they were able tos end them back home, but each time the TLP would come back more empowered than ever.

Now the issue was regarding the ambassador and Pakistani govt gave them approvals that we will kick out the French Ambassador which is ridiculous.

We have empowered them to a point where they can do such protest.

Also such protest needs financial assistance and these guys used to get that from different groups. The army was on giving them cash to go back home back in 2017 when they got them to stand agianst PMLN.

The solution is simple. Show the wrath of the law. THese TLP members have done violation, they have killed many people. Detention means nothing. Book an FIR against them and send them to jail, apply the law on them.

PTI and Army created the mess by listening to these guys each time.
 
So you are saying the TLP shouldn't have been allowed to exist. Well the election commission was at the time was appointed by the PPP and the Nooras

Well they are existing and the govt in power is now facing their wrath.....

If the opposition had supported the govt or atleast not gave support to TLP, they would not had been empowered.

When PMLN was forced to cave in the demands at the time, TLP empowered. And after that PTI caved into their demands they got more empowered.
 
Well they are existing and the govt in power is now facing their wrath.....

If the opposition had supported the govt or atleast not gave support to TLP, they would not had been empowered.

When PMLN was forced to cave in the demands at the time, TLP empowered. And after that PTI caved into their demands they got more empowered.

And these groups have always existed and they find an issue to rally around. Your friends in the PPP and Nooras fight to keep the population as illiterate and this is the result. Society progresses through education, but the educated don't vote for family businesses.
 
lol. I love this twisted logic.

We all know which party has been in bed with the likes of TLP and Taliban. You can try to divert blame using strawman arguments but that doesn't really help your case.

Do you? Who helped to create the Taliban in the 90s? Don't tell me it was the great Liberal BB, which party had an agreement not to be attacked in Punjab, don't tell me, it was the Nooras. You were saying
 
And these groups have always existed and they find an issue to rally around. Your friends in the PPP and Nooras fight to keep the population as illiterate and this is the result. Society progresses through education, but the educated don't vote for family businesses.
funny how you are ignoring how PTI backed them.. Keep deflecting.
 
Do you? Who helped to create the Taliban in the 90s? Don't tell me it was the great Liberal BB, which party had an agreement not to be attacked in Punjab, don't tell me, it was the Nooras. You were saying

as usual, just like your party instead of discuss the issue that is at present created by PTI you will deflect .
 
as usual, just like your party instead of discuss the issue that is at present created by PTI you will deflect .

But he asked the question and as usual you don't like the answer as the truth to mafia supporters isn't palatable
 
Improvising as long as it effective and prevent the loss of life.

Roads can be rebuild.
 
Gonna be a tough few months for Pak I feel. I am standing with the military yet can understand the government are not helping the cause.
 
As expected, Imran Khan buckles in the face of mullahs. It has been announced that the government has released 350 TLP terrorists so far and that it would remove names of TLP leaders from terror list and it would release imprisoned TLP chief Saad by Wednesday.
 
Do you? Who helped to create the Taliban in the 90s? Don't tell me it was the great Liberal BB, which party had an agreement not to be attacked in Punjab, don't tell me, it was the Nooras. You were saying

Who has been a spokesperson for the Taliban and has been negotiating with Pakistan Taliban and asking them for mercy even after all the atrocities committed by the terrorist organization? Don't tell me it's Immi Chan.

Who was doing dharna's hand in hand with right wing religious parties and negotiating with terrorist outfits over the case of Asia Bibi? Who removed Atif Mian from the Economic Advisory Council due to pressure from terrorist organizations?

I love how you compare the failings of IK with those of BB and Nawaz. This, to me, proves that they are all the same.
 
Who has been a spokesperson for the Taliban and has been negotiating with Pakistan Taliban and asking them for mercy even after all the atrocities committed by the terrorist organization? Don't tell me it's Immi Chan.

Who was doing dharna's hand in hand with right wing religious parties and negotiating with terrorist outfits over the case of Asia Bibi? Who removed Atif Mian from the Economic Advisory Council due to pressure from terrorist organizations?

I love how you compare the failings of IK with those of BB and Nawaz. This, to me, proves that they are all the same.

To add to your points, who opened up mosques during the peak of COVID-19 following threats from mullahs? Who put anti-domestic violence bill and forced conversion bill on holdWho called OBL 'a martyr' and who is on a mission to prove himself the greatest Ashiq-e-Rasool by vilifying Europe and their values and wearing religion on his sleeve and acting so pious and self-righteous?

No other leader barring Zia used religion as much as IK has used to gain favours with the rightwing. This whole term has been full of appeasing terror outfits.

The other day Imran held a meeting with clerics to brainstorm ideas of how to rid the country of vulgarity, Western NGOs and blasphemers.
 
Who has been a spokesperson for the Taliban and has been negotiating with Pakistan Taliban and asking them for mercy even after all the atrocities committed by the terrorist organization? Don't tell me it's Immi Chan.

Who was doing dharna's hand in hand with right wing religious parties and negotiating with terrorist outfits over the case of Asia Bibi? Who removed Atif Mian from the Economic Advisory Council due to pressure from terrorist organizations?

I love how you compare the failings of IK with those of BB and Nawaz. This, to me, proves that they are all the same.

So let me understand your logic- if you negotiate with someone you become a supporter, IRA says hello. And BTW weren't the Americans negotiating with the Taliban. Lol
 
So let me understand your logic- if you negotiate with someone you become a supporter, IRA says hello. And BTW weren't the Americans negotiating with the Taliban. Lol

They negotiated with the Taliban not Al Qaeda. I have no issues negotiating with Afghanistan Taliban, but negotiating with those that were responsible for terrorists attacks inside Pakistan is a totally different thing.
 
They negotiated with the Taliban not Al Qaeda. I have no issues negotiating with Afghanistan Taliban, but negotiating with those that were responsible for terrorists attacks inside Pakistan is a totally different thing.

Firstly, the Americans described the Afg Taliban as terrorists, so yours is purely semantics. Let's say you are right and I have reservations about the policy and we don't negotiate. We know that defeating these small groups is almost impossible because they are not fighting a conventional war, so do you find a way to talk to them or let innocent people die.
 
And we bow down to the pressure of tlp. We accepted their demands and released more tlp prisoners. 350 tp be precise.

But i doubt people like bewal would understand this further empowers tlp.
 
And we bow down to the pressure of tlp. We accepted their demands and released more tlp prisoners. 350 tp be precise.

But i doubt people like bewal would understand this further empowers tlp.

Tlp are not a terrorist organisation

They are a legit political organisation just like any other party.

They have right to protest sameway pti set the precedent of bringing the country to a halt with their dharna and tabdeeli drama and a padri was shipped in from Canada to cause chaos in his container and topple the pmln .
 
Tlp are not a terrorist organisation

They are a legit political organisation just like any other party.

They have right to protest sameway pti set the precedent of bringing the country to a halt with their dharna and tabdeeli drama and a padri was shipped in from Canada to cause chaos in his container and topple the pmln .

They do not have the right to take a city hostage and stop movement of people.

They are a terrorist organization as by blocking the roads they hold people hostage. Faizabad is a very important entery point of islamabad. You block that you cant move.

They have also killed many people in the past and have even tried to assassinate politicians like ahsan iqbal.

They very much do operate as a terror group. Many islamist think they are bringing a revolution which they are not
 
Ppp mqm pmln have all had a history of hiring thugs and taking people out especially the karachi based parties their thugs have been linked to raw and Iran.

Tlp have support nationwide on their issue

Insulting prophet muhammad is grievance for every Muslim whether he's religious or irreligious .

And khatme nabuwat , whether a person is religious or not most pakistanis are of the viewpoint rasoullah saw is the final messenger and mirzais are not muslims and to change laws is playing with fire .

So stop insulting rasoullah saw and tabling these khatmat nabuwat bills and blasphemy bills and you won't give tlp any fuel.

It's simple.
 
As expected, Imran Khan buckles in the face of mullahs. It has been announced that the government has released 350 TLP terrorists so far and that it would remove names of TLP leaders from terror list and it would release imprisoned TLP chief Saad by Wednesday.

He is kinda a part time Mullah himself. Never likes a lady who has her own mind and holds rape victims responsible for the crime inflicted upon them.
 
Three policemen were killed by these thugs this time round. Their blood has gone to waste again as government said they will not prosecute anybody. Last time, the TLP killed 5-6 policemen and nobody was prosecuted. This country is a joke!
 
why did the state allow this group to exist? Thats the question that needs to be asked. No one wants to answer that.

Everyone knows the political history of Pakistan, that when religious parties are created, they can cause the fall of any govt.

PTI gave its support to TLP against PMLN just so that PTI could get power. When, you agree to one demand of TLP they feel more empowered.

I have had conversations with TLP supporters and they come off as complete idiots who dont understand how a country is run. But the problem is these people are empowered because of political parties like PTI and army

They are empowered because their is only so much a majority will take. Deobandi backed grouped have been appeased for decades by the establishment and political parties. Deobandis, who for the most part opposed the creation of the state and have killed a thousand times the number of people that Barelvi's have, need to be disarmed and banned before you come after TLP.

TLP might be full of thugs, but alot of Deobandi groups are terrorist.
 
I am no fan of the TLP, but they have a huge vote bank. Barelvi are the majority in the country and its risky to ban them.
 
The Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) has resumed its march towards Islamabad after talks between the banned outfit and the government hit a snag over the issue of the expulsion of France's envoy to Pakistan.

The government said that it was ready to accept all demands of the TLP, including the release of its leader Saad Rizvi, but it cannot ask the French envoy to leave the country as this would damage ties with the European Union.

Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid, who had led the talks from the government's side, said that the government agreed to all but one demand, but the banned outfit still did not end the protest sit-in in Muridke.

The TLP had earlier called off its march to Islamabad and decided to halt at Muridke after Rashid assured them the government would meet their demands. TLP had stated that they would stay in Muridke peacefully till the acceptance of their demands and in case of the failure of talks, will resume their march towards the federal capital.

Read Rashid warns PDM, TLP against creating law, order

As of today, a rally with more than eight thousand TLP supporters left Murdike for Islamabad with the government deploying heavy contingents of law enforcers to stop them. Trenches have been dug on GT Road ahead of Chenab River to stop the protesters from marching forward.

TLP Central Committee member Wazir Ali alleged that the government was not serious in meeting the demands of the banned outfit despite "successful talks". He said the TLP would not back down on its demands.

He said the TLP march would remain "peaceful", but if the police used force against the workers of the banned outfit, the party would go on a countrywide strike.

Meanwhile, the government has taken more measures to stop the protesters from reaching the capital. As per sources, the Punjab government has also imposed a temporary ban on buses plying on GT Road.

No leeway for TLP

On Tuesday, Prime Minister Imran Khan chaired a meeting at Bani Gala wherein it was decided not to give any leeway to the TLP.

The meeting was attended by army chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa, Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid, Federal Religious Affairs Minister Noorul Haq Qadri, Punjab Chief Minister Usman Bazdar and the province’s chief secretary among others.

The premier was briefed on the negotiations with the TLP. It was decided that further talks with the religious outfit would be held only if it ended its protest march.

Rashid, who was leading the team negotiating with the TLP, said at a news conference later in the day that the government had “no reservations” over any of the demands put forward by the religious outfit except for the shutting down of the French embassy and expulsion of its ambassador.

“It was decided [during the meeting] that this demand cannot be accepted.”

He warned that accepting this demand would have consequences.

“As Pakistan is the biggest nuclear force among Muslim countries, conspiracies are being hatched to impose sanctions on us,” he added.

The minister insisted that the country faced “immense international pressure” on the matter.

"You all can see what our economic situation is and France is leading Europe. All European countries are supporting France. Shutting down the French embassy here would affect Pakistan's relations with other European countries.”

The minister had hoped that the TLP would agree to withdraw this demand for which it had given a deadline of November 2.
 
someone's bigger hand is at play

Someone wants pakistan sanctioned by the eu and west.

It's inevitably looking like these tlp are either gonna get gunned down and slaughtered by the security forces or the army will probably step in and remove pti just to avoid the bloodshed and tlp will then be happy that they have won a victory and will let the France envoy off.
 
I am no fan of the TLP, but they have a huge vote bank. Barelvi are the majority in the country and its risky to ban them.

bro deobandais and barelvis all the political parties that exists are a cancer to Pakistan.

TLP doesn't have a huge vote bank as of yet. They are rising, and until and unless this party is not eliminated it can be a problem in future. In future they could rise.
 
someone's bigger hand is at play

Someone wants pakistan sanctioned by the eu and west.

It's inevitably looking like these tlp are either gonna get gunned down and slaughtered by the security forces or the army will probably step in and remove pti just to avoid the bloodshed and tlp will then be happy that they have won a victory and will let the France envoy off.

bhai, dont worry India is not supporting this party :))

Dig in to Pakistans political history. The army loves to back religious parties as its an easier way to cause pressure on the govt in power.

DOnt you find it interesting that as soon as the tlp talks were successful the ISI chief was selected, the same guy who army wanted..........

Army created these roaches, and they have openly paid money to themm
 
They are empowered because their is only so much a majority will take. Deobandi backed grouped have been appeased for decades by the establishment and political parties. Deobandis, who for the most part opposed the creation of the state and have killed a thousand times the number of people that Barelvi's have, need to be disarmed and banned before you come after TLP.

TLP might be full of thugs, but alot of Deobandi groups are terrorist.

they are empowered because their demands have always been met and they and the religious fools think they are making a difference.
 
Mayhem in Pakistan; protests happening all over the country , multiple people killed.
 
This is what happens when you give space to extremists , appease them and do not enforce the law. The TLP should have been nipped in the bud long ago but the government lacked guts.

The whole country has been held hostage by the clergy since our country’s inception. We need a leader like Ataturk to rid us of this extremism and deny clergy any role in running the country.
 
bro deobandais and barelvis all the political parties that exists are a cancer to Pakistan.

TLP doesn't have a huge vote bank as of yet. They are rising, and until and unless this party is not eliminated it can be a problem in future. In future they could rise.

Unfortunately this is the culture of Pakistan that political parties take to the streets and cause mayhem. TLP is not the first party to do this. And its not only religious parties. MQM, PPP, PML N, PTI, etc have all done this.

I dont like Diesel, but I have to agree with him on this

On the other hand, PDM chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman said: "If Imran Khan's sit-in was legitimate when the PTI was in the Opposition, "then why isn't TLP's long march justified?"

He questioned that if protests against Nawaz Sharif was legitimate, then why is it illegal against Imran Khan.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/9...lence-will-not-be-allowed-for-political-gains
 
they are empowered because their demands have always been met and they and the religious fools think they are making a difference.

This govt is willing to negotiate with TTP. They are in a coalition with MQM. Yet they banned TLP. Their needs to be a middle ground between banning them, and appeasing them.

This is a step in the right direction. As well as telling them under no circumstances will any ambassador be expelled.

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan Wednesday issued directives to stop the long march announced by the proscribed Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan, saying that "violence will not be allowed to anyone for political gains".

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/9...lence-will-not-be-allowed-for-political-gains
 
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