This is what happens when you don’t have an anchor

[gazza619]

92/9 in 20 overs

When every Tom Dick & Harry is playing like its a T10, this was bound to happen. Been saying it for a while now. Hope some of the posters will learn a lesson today.

 

[MenInG]

92/9 in 20 overs

When every Tom Dick & Harry is playing like its a T10, this was bound to happen. Been saying it for a while now. Hope some of the posters will learn a lesson today.

One game.

Let's not overreact.

If BA and MR can gets tons of games, we can also allow this new setup some time.

 

[Waqar89]

Reality check for a lot of fans who thought RizBaz were worse than every other batsmen in PCT.

 

[Snowflake]

92/9 in 20 overs

When every Tom Dick & Harry is playing like its a T10, this was bound to happen. Been saying it for a while now. Hope some of the posters will learn a lesson today.

Those posters’ perspective is based on countless games they’ve seen of other top teams and how those teams approach T20s.

Your perspective is based on 1 game.

 

[Snowflake]

Anyone who thinks that you need an anchor, 2 in case of Pakistan, needs to get with the times.

They are probably still living in the 90s

 

[Cric1234]

It’s the pitch we used to see these slow low wickets a decade ago in the World Cup in UAE Rizwan and Babar didn’t do well against Afghanistan.

All players who aren’t playing on these type of wickets will look good and players who do are going to struggle with their strokeplay.

Afghanistan also have a few decent spinners for these type of wickets.

 

[Barragan]

What is Abdullah shafique for?

He is certainly not a hitter!!

He can't hit or anchor, what is he doing in the team then?

 

[ads101]

You don’t need anchors you just need players who consistently score. Guys with some sort of technique, can actually pick up singles. Either the guys we play can not do that, or are just far too young that they haven’t got used to dominating domestic cricket yet, so they can’t suddenly dominate internationals.

 

[PakPremi]

You always need a talented skillful anchor like Rizwan or Babar even in this format as on difficult pitches you need to buckle down and play all overs. Hacking all the way through is not always possible.

 

[ArabKnight]

Shafique and Tahir.

Bunch of nobodies selected to fail to give credence to Babar/Rizwan.

Fakhar/Azam opening was needed here.

 

[IMMY69]

You need batsmen who have a few brain cells and can assess the wicket and play accordingly,

Today was the time to look for singles and not go gung-ho and get out playing rash strokes

 

[YousafTheBeast]

We had 2 anchors in the Asia Cup where Naseem Shah bailed them out.

Funny how you lot defend Babar and Rizwan after 1 failure but can’t defend a team full of exciting youngsters that have the capability of adapting to modern day cricket.

Can any RizBar fan tell me who the anchor player is for England in T20’s?

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Shafique and Tahir.

Bunch of nobodies selected to fail to give credence to Babar/Rizwan.

Fakhar/Azam opening was needed here.

That's next level. Who would you select, considering Fakhar was rested.

 

[Cric1234]

The top order batsmen are young and inexperienced better was expected from Imad Shadab and Faheem who have experience they should have scored more runs towards the end.

 

[Zaz]

We had 2 anchors in the Asia Cup where Naseem Shah bailed them out.

Funny how you lot defend Babar and Rizwan after 1 failure but can’t defend a team full of exciting youngsters that have the capability of adapting to modern day cricket.

Can any RizBar fan tell me who the anchor player is for England in T20’s?

We saw your youngsters today who adapted beatufully to todays wicket and helped pakistan lose their first intnl game against afghanistan

 

[IMMY69]

We had 2 anchors in the Asia Cup where Naseem Shah bailed them out.

Funny how you lot defend Babar and Rizwan after 1 failure but can’t defend a team full of exciting youngsters that have the capability of adapting to modern day cricket.

Can any RizBar fan tell me who the anchor player is for England in T20’s?

The only issue I have is that you have to assess the wicket and play accordingly.
Today they showed a complete lack of match awareness.

Also it wasn't just the batters but the coaches too. Where was the third or even fourth spin bowling option?

 

[Cric1234]

We saw your youngsters today who adapted beatufully to todays wicket and helped pakistan lose their first intnl game against afghanistan

Luckily Asif saved Pakistan from this happening at the World Cup it was bound to happen the conditions plus a weakened inexperienced batting lineup different things were In Afghanistan’s favour.

 

[topspin]

Before we bring up anchors, the question is how often is a T20I team going to play on such a substandard surface like the one we saw today?

More teams are scoring 200+ and one of the reasons for this is because modern T20 cricket has moved on from anchors. That's why Joe Root and Steve Smith no longer feature in the first team for their respective national sides.

The way T20 cricket is played today is not only very different to the late 2000s but has also changed by a great deal since the late 2010s. You have to keep up with the modern demands of the format.

Batting run a ball during the powerplay on a 200+ wicket isn't sustainable and doesn't work.

It's never good to lose to Afghanistan but this pales in comparison with the humiliation against Zimbabwe. Rizbar fan club have selective memory. They ought to be reminded that Babar scored 4 off 9 balls and Rizwan scored 14 off 16 balls.

 

[IMMY69]

Before we bring up anchors, the question is how often is a T20I team going to play on such a substandard surface like the one we saw today?

More teams are scoring 200+ and one of the reasons for this is because modern T20 cricket has moved on from anchors. That's why Joe Root and Steve Smith no longer feature in the first team for their respective national sides.

The way T20 cricket is played today is not only very different to the late 2000s but has also changed by a great deal since the late 2010s. You have to keep up with the modern demands of the format.

Batting run a ball during the powerplay on a 200+ wicket isn't sustainable and doesn't work.

It's never good to lose to Afghanistan but this pales in comparison with the humiliation against Zimbabwe. Rizbar fan club have selective memory. They ought to be reminded that Babar scored 4 off 9 balls and Rizwan scored 14 off 16 balls.

World Cup in 2021, Asia Cup 2022 and maybe a few games in this years Asia Cup.

But this 200 runs thing on other wickets is, in my humble opinion, a ridiculous argument.
Just take the last World Cup in Australia,
We reached the final and we scored and defended well in almost all the games. Even in the final we were only one injured bowler or 20 runs short of winning the whole thing.

Prior to this, we scored 200 against England when conditions were right.
99 out of 100 times a team will score well when the conditions suit, other times they fail.

Our issue is Babar's captaincy, not his batting and a sever lack of intelligence which runs through the entire setup, from coaches to players

 

[MenInG]

Before we bring up anchors, the question is how often is a T20I team going to play on such a substandard surface like the one we saw today?

More teams are scoring 200+ and one of the reasons for this is because modern T20 cricket has moved on from anchors. That's why Joe Root and Steve Smith no longer feature in the first team for their respective national sides.

The way T20 cricket is played today is not only very different to the late 2000s but has also changed by a great deal since the late 2010s. You have to keep up with the modern demands of the format.

Batting run a ball during the powerplay on a 200+ wicket isn't sustainable and doesn't work.

It's never good to lose to Afghanistan but this pales in comparison with the humiliation against Zimbabwe. Rizbar fan club have selective memory. They ought to be reminded that Babar scored 4 off 9 balls and Rizwan scored 14 off 16 balls.

Don't worry about Rizwan and Babar.

Worry about our new talent and their inability to judge the situation. This is where maturity comes to play.

I feel that Shadab and team management did not judge the pitch correctly - should have slowed down and ended up on 120+ and won the game.

 

[IMMY69]

^^^
Just to add, when conditions are slightly more bowler friendly, we tend to score defendable totals or keep the opposition down to a score that can be chased.
Point in case is beating the Kiwis in their backyard and winnings the tri series.

 

[Cric1234]

Don't worry about Rizwan and Babar.

Worry about our new talent and their inability to judge the situation. This is where maturity comes to play.

I feel that Shadab and team management did not judge the pitch correctly - should have slowed down and ended up on 120+ and won the game.

Imad Shadab and Faheem had every chance to take the team to a winning score they failed couldn’t rotate strike wasted balls then got out you expect better from experienced players.

 

[topspin]

World Cup in 2021, Asia Cup 2022 and maybe a few games in this years Asia Cup.

But this 200 runs thing on other wickets is, in my humble opinion, a ridiculous argument.
Just take the last World Cup in Australia,
We reached the final and we scored and defended well in almost all the games. Even in the final we were only one injured bowler or 20 runs short of winning the whole thing.

Prior to this, we scored 200 against England when conditions were right.
99 out of 100 times a team will score well when the conditions suit, other times they fail.

Our issue is Babar's captaincy, not his batting and a sever lack of intelligence which runs through the entire setup, from coaches to players

No the WT20 in 2021 and last year's Asia Cup did not have wickets that were so substandard like this one we saw today.

The reason why Australia had lower scores was because the conditions were more overcast and they have the biggest boundaries for a batsman to clear. If you look year-on-year, more teams are scoring 200+.

But I do agree with you on Babar's captaincy. It has hindered Pakistan's T20I side. [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] made a good point earlier in the week that he simply isn't a winner because he's never won anything whether it be at U19, domestic, PSL or at international level.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

We saw your youngsters today who adapted beatufully to todays wicket and helped pakistan lose their first intnl game against afghanistan

You’re only upset because 1, you still live in the delusional world where people still think Afghanistan is a minnow ESPECIALLY in T20s and 2, because Babar and Rizwan were dropped for stat padding.

You probably backed Babar after 1 failure, why aren’t you backing Saim, Harris, Tahir and Shafique after 1 failure? Is it because they’re not Rizwan and Babar?

You think a team with 4 debutants and a couple of inexperienced players were going to thrash Afghanistan in conditions suited to their bowling attack when OUR BEST XI WERE BEATING THEM MARGINALLY…. I’m lost for words

 

[topspin]

Don't worry about Rizwan and Babar.

Worry about our new talent and their inability to judge the situation. This is where maturity comes to play.

I feel that Shadab and team management did not judge the pitch correctly - should have slowed down and ended up on 120+ and won the game.

I agree with this but we need to have realistic expectations as well. It's difficult to adjust on these pitches when your natural game is not suited to unusual T20 pitches.

Look at England (albeit England B or C side) in the recently concluded contest against Bangladesh. They lost all 3 x of those T20I bilateral matches on slow wickets.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

The only issue I have is that you have to assess the wicket and play accordingly.
Today they showed a complete lack of match awareness.

Also it wasn't just the batters but the coaches too. Where was the third or even fourth spin bowling option?

They should’ve bowled first, putting a young inexperienced batting line up against arguably the best spin attack in the UAE isn’t going to be easy. It would’ve allowed Saim and Harris to assess the pitch having seen how Afghanistan batted on it. Poor captaincy from Shadab

 

[IMMY69]

No the WT20 in 2021 and last year's Asia Cup did not have wickets that were so substandard like this one we saw today.

The reason why Australia had lower scores was because the conditions were more overcast and they have the biggest boundaries for a batsman to clear. If you look year-on-year, more teams are scoring 200+.

But I do agree with you on Babar's captaincy. It has hindered Pakistan's T20I side. [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] made a good point earlier in the week that he simply isn't a winner because he's never won anything whether it be at U19, domestic, PSL or at international level.

Yes but my point is that we make good scores when conditions are conducive.
We lose matches because we lack cricketing intelligence (e.h. T20 semi final when we had the Aussies on the ropes).
Babar's captaincy takes the blame for this but collectively most of our batsmen should take a fair share of the responsibility because they just don't adapt their game and play to the situation.

The reason for our inconsistency tag, which has been around for 30 years, is largely due to lack of intelligence

 

[MenInG]

I agree with this but we need to have realistic expectations as well. It's difficult to adjust on these pitches when your natural game is not suited to unusual T20 pitches.

Look at England (albeit England B or C side) in the recently concluded contest against Bangladesh. They lost all 3 x of those T20I bilateral matches on slow wickets.

You need a mixture of new and old to avoid such situations. That's all there is to it. (In my humble opinion)

 

[Snowflake]

Don't worry about Rizwan and Babar.

Worry about our new talent and their inability to judge the situation. This is where maturity comes to play.

I feel that Shadab and team management did not judge the pitch correctly - should have slowed down and ended up on 120+ and won the game.

Why shouldn’t we worry about them when they failed massively at the biggest T20 event and your much maligned middle order bailed you out?

Why shouldn’t we worry about them when they lost you the Asia Cup final almost single handedly?

New talent has a lot of time to learn - Babar and Rizwan are serial offenders.

 

[Snowflake]

You always need a talented skillful anchor like Rizwan or Babar even in this format as on difficult pitches you need to buckle down and play all overs. Hacking all the way through is not always possible.

England hacked their way to being World Champions. I’ll take that.

Also, glad you said Rizwan or Babar - no place for both of them in the same team

 

[Snowflake]

We saw your youngsters today who adapted beatufully to todays wicket and helped pakistan lose their first intnl game against afghanistan

Asif bailed you out once, Naseem bailed you out another time, and Imad/Wahab bailed you out another time… where were Babar and Rizwan in all these games?

also, we lost to a much weaker Zim at the WC with Babar Rizwan. So, no need to over react

 

[MenInG]

Why shouldn’t we worry about them when they failed massively at the biggest T20 event and your much maligned middle order bailed you out?

Why shouldn’t we worry about them when they lost you the Asia Cup final almost single handedly?

New talent has a lot of time to learn - Babar and Rizwan are serial offenders.

Your new talent will not learn without guidance. This is how modern teams are built.

 

[Caved12]

lol it does not matter what other countries are doing. Our team needs an anchor even in this format of the game. You always play this game according to the strength of your players and how we approach our cricket. We have a fantastic bowling attack and we don't need to score 200 plus every game

 

[Snowflake]

Your new talent will not learn without guidance. This is how modern teams are built.

But the kind of guidance that Babar and Rizwan will provide is not needed.

They’ll learn with experience. They’ve performed vs much better bowling attacks at the PSL.

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

The team needs only one anchor player

Only One in the starting lineup at maximum.

No more Babar - Rizwan

So I would make this one anchor player Babar Azam.

 

[daytrader]

We were going to lose to them at some point, I was just hoping we can delay it for as long as possible and establish some sort of streak against them. Disappointed that Sethi and Co handed this win over to them on a platter. Should've played either 1 of RizBar

 

[MenInG]

The team needs only one anchor player

Only One in the starting lineup at maximum.

No more Babar - Rizwan

So I would make this one anchor player Babar Azam.

Rizwan has been scoring well in PSL so already we have that when both are on.

 

[Cric1234]

We were going to lose to them at some point, I was just hoping we can delay it for as long as possible and establish some sort of streak against them. Disappointed that Sethi and Co handed this win over to them on a platter. Should've played either 1 of RizBar

They went with a totally new top order leaving out all experienced batsmen you have to expect a loss in this situation especially on spin friendly pitches as even a full team almost lost to Afghanistan.

 

[IMMY69]

England hacked their way to being World Champions. I’ll take that.

Also, glad you said Rizwan or Babar - no place for both of them in the same team

I must have watched the wrong final then.
I didn't see Stokes hacking anyone and those that tried to hack were out cheaply.

 

[IMMY69]

So let me get this straight, are people saying that no one from the existing squad is able to change the way they play depending on how the surface is playing?

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

Rizwan has been scoring well in PSL so already we have that when both are on.

All I need to show is the following:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?308421-POTW-Mamoon

 

[Cric1234]

So let me get this straight, are people saying that no one from the existing squad is able to change the way they play depending on how the surface is playing?

You can give the younger players one chance if they make the same mistake next match they should be criticized.

Imad Shadab Faheem are experienced international players they played worse than the younger players clearly showing a lack of game awareness not rotating strike wasting too many balls then getting out.

 

[IMMY69]

You can give the younger players one chance if they make the same mistake next match they should be criticized.

Imad Shadab Faheem are experienced international players they played worse than the younger players clearly showing a lack of game awareness not rotating strike wasting too many balls then getting out.

My issue is that it is a recurring theme that has been running for three decades.

I'm fed up with this inconsistency stuff and want players and coaches who can read the game.

Of course they were youngsters today, and yes they should be given more chances but where was the logic behind their batting places? Didn't anyone tell them that playing strokes is likely to get then out? Couldn't they figure this out for themselves? They maybe new to international cricket but they've played high to a high standard. Even a second eleven club cricketer would be able to work out after facing two overs whether to hold back or to to go for it...

Anyway, I hope they learn

 

[shariqnoor]

This is what happens when you don't have game awareness. Anchor isn't necessary. Game awareness is.

I don't blame any of Shafique, Tayyab, Azam for their dismissals. They didn't get out slogging unnecessarily. They were unfortunate dismissals and one should be able to cut some slack.

What's unforgivable is Saim's shot when 13 off the over had already been taken. He was still in Pindi think that 17 off the over is a must. Where was his analysis of the pitch? What's unforgivable is Shadab throwing his wicket away when all he needed was to build a partnership with Imad till the 17th to ensure Pakistan got to around 115-120? What's unforgivable is Pakistan playing 4 fast bowlers on a Sharjah pitch notorious for these 120 score matches where spinners rule the roost.

The loss should never be an issue. The issue should always be the manner of the loss. IF you are going to be make diabolical decision in-game, then you deserve to be slated. If you lose matches like how England lose matches, it's perfectly alright.

I said it before that this series was the worst time for all the exciting players like Saim, Azam, Tayyab to be playing because of the venue and the team. You cannot expect them to score against Afghanistan in Sharjah. It's just simply not happening. And nobody should let this thought carry them away that had Rizwan and Babar been there, Pakistan would've scored a lot more. At most they might've gotten to 125. So let's cut some slack for the Pakistani players but there needs to be an accountability of the dismissals of Saim, Shadab and Naseem.

 

[Saj]

This is what happens when you don't have game awareness. Anchor isn't necessary. Game awareness is.

True.

A bit of naivety and inexperience was shown today by our batters on a tricky track.

Some of the dismissals could have been avoided.

All part of the learning curve for them.

I just hope they do learn and these mistakes and repeated again and again.

 

[Kroll]

Forget that, I'm fully with the youngsters. They just went too thin with the batting having only 3 proper batsmen, 2 wk batsmen and then bits and pieces starting at 6.

Buff up the batting and balance the team composition and we'll be flying.

 

[Bewal Express]

The T20 bilateral series should be used to experiment and develop. Today it didn't pay off and most of the time it won't pay off but what it will do is to keep the heat on the regulars. Our regulars tend to get too comfortable and that benefits no one, including the players that become complacent.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

The guys played on roads and suddenly exposed to a sticky wicket like this against strong and experienced Afghan side , this was bound to happen but the important thing is will they learn and adapt to the conditions in the second match this will separate boys from men

 

[emranabbas]

92/9 in 20 overs

When every Tom Dick & Harry is playing like its a T10, this was bound to happen. Been saying it for a while now. Hope some of the posters will learn a lesson today.

This is the same ground where babar played 4 games and scored 9, 66, 9, 0

9 and a zero came against Hong Kong and Afghanistan

66 was vs weak Scotland

Would rather stick with Tom dick and Harry

 

[gazza619]

England hacked their way to being World Champions. I’ll take that.

Also, glad you said Rizwan or Babar - no place for both of them in the same team

England attacking players are like Tesla. Pakistan’s hack bunch are like Suzuki Cultus.

Please stop this obsession of trying to be like England.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Forget that, I'm fully with the youngsters. They just went too thin with the batting having only 3 proper batsmen, 2 wk batsmen and then bits and pieces starting at 6.

Buff up the batting and balance the team composition and we'll be flying.

Yeah exactly.

Plus if we had being playing a proper rotation system in bilateral T20 series like other teams do, then all of these players wouldn't have been debuting at the same time and would have already had international exposure.

 

[Rana]

Have anchors but not as openers

What did Afghanistan’s anchor Zadran do on this track?

 

[Zaz]

A team needs to play to its strengths

Pakistans is its bowling Get a decent total on board and the bowling will defend it

Our batters dont have the big hitting or IQ to smash 200 every other game Its just not in their dna to pull it off We arent england

Its better to be realistic than optimistic

Even today if the top 4 had judged the pitch better and played accordingly 125 wouldve been a winning score

This is where some sensible batsmen are needed not necssarily the gung ho ones we had today

 

[gazza619]

A team needs to play to its strengths

Pakistans is its bowling Get a decent total on board and the bowling will defend it

Our batters dont have the big hitting or IQ to smash 200 every other game Its just not in their dna to pull it off We arent england

Its better to be realistic than optimistic

Even today if the top 4 had judged the pitch better and played accordingly 125 wouldve been a winning score

This is where some sensible batsmen are needed not necssarily the gung ho ones we had today

Exactly!!

Look i am all for trying new blood but Pakistan will never ever be a team who will consistently make scores of 200. It is important to pick players who have a higher IQ than a squirrel.

 

[TheSultan]

This Rizwan-Babar cult are celebrating the bad performance of a bunch of young debutants and a few returning players.

This how sad and pathetic they have become.

Surely you guys are the goodie goodies who tell us all to “support the team at all costs” when Rizbar are playing their very undynamic anchoring powerplays?

What happened to that?

It’s a 3 match series. I have every confidence in this team that they will show their potential in the remaining games. I would also give them a year to see where they go.

 

[TheSultan]

This is the same ground where babar played 4 games and scored 9, 66, 9, 0

9 and a zero came against Hong Kong and Afghanistan

66 was vs weak Scotland

Would rather stick with Tom dick and Harry

Some facts dropped there

 

[Rana]

Saim and Harris or Saim and Fakhar any day as openers over Babar and Rizwan

Any day

 

[MenInG]

Saim and Harris or Saim and Fakhar any day as openers over Babar and Rizwan

Any day

When you win games with them, then you can do the any day dance, until then be a little circumspect and show a little humility.

 

[TheSultan]

Anchors are incredibly boring.

Babar and Rizwan are incredibly boring - and incredibly selfish. Let them play their selfish way when they are selected and their “fans” who put them in very high esteem can celebrate their stats

But in no way should any Pakistani player aspire to follow that example and try and dress it as a technical term such as “anchor”.

They have butchered the meaning of “anchor” - it originated in the longer formats where you can afford the time to drop “anchor”

T20s and anchor? That is the biggest joke I’ve ever heard.

Yes what you sometimes need is someone to play sensibly in very specific scenarios.

But to play “anchor” from ball one as a rule and a style of play in t20s should not be allowed or promoted.

 

[Rana]

When you win games with them, then you can do the any day dance, until then be a little circumspect and show a little humility.

Why should I?

I am willing to lose a million times as long as we are doing the right thing for the team instead of the right thing for two players to get their stats in.

This is Pakistan cricket team. Not RizBaristan national team

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don't like the wrist slitting attitude after one game.

It's a meaningless T20 that was squeezed in at the last minute. We fielded our youngest ever team ( combined age) consisting of multiple debutants and players who had only played a handful of games. These players were playing in alien conditions.

Now why were all these players collectively playing in alien conditions.

Well the answer is simple - because our team for the last 4 years has never really thought of introducing fringe players and our batting line up has been hogged by Rizwan and Babar batting 14 overs each game to "protect" the middle order.

In the grand scheme of things this match is meaningless. The focus should be on the development and nurturing of some of these players. Yesterday was maybe the first time travelling away from home with the Pakistan side. They came into the game knowing that knives would be out straight away.

Give them a run of 10-15 bilaterals and then we can see if we need an anchor or not.

 

[Suleiman]

Anchors are incredibly boring.

Babar and Rizwan are incredibly boring - and incredibly selfish. Let them play their selfish way when they are selected and their “fans” who put them in very high esteem can celebrate their stats

But in no way should any Pakistani player aspire to follow that example and try and dress it as a technical term such as “anchor”.

They have butchered the meaning of “anchor” - it originated in the longer formats where you can afford the time to drop “anchor”

T20s and anchor? That is the biggest joke I’ve ever heard.

Yes what you sometimes need is someone to play sensibly in very specific scenarios.

But to play “anchor” from ball one as a rule and a style of play in t20s should not be allowed or promoted.

This thread embodies the defensive mindset of RizBabar fans. Don’t try anything new in a format where all the top teams experiment just so 2 guys can stat pad and their delusional fans can go gaga.

That’s why they believe in “anchor” lol.

This is the time to test out, experiment and build for the future.

Not to give further fuel to 2 dudes who did absolutely nothing when it mattered the most aka the 2022 t20 WC and Asia Cup final to a lesser extent.

 

[PakPremi]

We had 2 anchors in the Asia Cup where Naseem Shah bailed them out.

Funny how you lot defend Babar and Rizwan after 1 failure but can’t defend a team full of exciting youngsters that have the capability of adapting to modern day cricket.

Can any RizBar fan tell me who the anchor player is for England in T20’s?

Pakistani youngsters are not as skillful or expereinced as England players, even England new players have plenty of first class experience. They can play situation well. I am all for bringing in new talent but not wholesale changes as if the team keeps losing matches it only undermines those players and they end up losing confidence.

 

[MenInG]

Why should I?

I am willing to lose a million times as long as we are doing the right thing for the team instead of the right thing for two players to get their stats in.

This is Pakistan cricket team. Not RizBaristan national team

Good way to run a national side. But Thank God smarter people are running our cricket.

 

[Zaz]

Saim and Harris or Saim and Fakhar any day as openers over Babar and Rizwan

Any day

What happened to Sharjeel being the best opener in the country? At least be consistent in your backing

Saim and Harris arent the best openers in the country no matter how many 6s they hit in the pls and no matter how many times you repeat it

Pakistan isnt england where inexperienced players can come in and score from the off and look a million dollars

Players like saim and harris have potential but they will have to be introduced into the team with a game here and there and patience will be needed

Our system doesnt produce intnl quality players from the off and giving them a million chances at this level where they keep losing will do harm to their development and confidence

 

[Rana]

Good way to run a national side. But Thank God smarter people are running our cricket.

That’s how Trevor Baylis and Morgan revolutionised English cricket

They were ready to die a thousand deaths in order to become immortal

 

[Rana]

What happened to Sharjeel being the best opener in the country? At least be consistent in your backing

Saim and Harris arent the best openers in the country no matter how many 6s they hit in the pls and no matter how many times you repeat it

Pakistan isnt england where inexperienced players can come in and score from the off and look a million dollars

Players like saim and harris have potential but they will have to be introduced into the team with a game here and there and patience will be needed

Our system doesnt produce intnl quality players from the off and giving them a million chances at this level where they keep losing will do harm to their development and confidence

Ok.

Sharjeel and Fakhar

Fakhar and Saim

Saim and Sharjeel

Saim and Harris

Sharjeel and Harris

Fakhar and Harris


Any day of the week over Babar and Riz

 

[gazza619]

I don't like the wrist slitting attitude after one game.

It's a meaningless T20 that was squeezed in at the last minute. We fielded our youngest ever team ( combined age) consisting of multiple debutants and players who had only played a handful of games. These players were playing in alien conditions.

Now why were all these players collectively playing in alien conditions.

Well the answer is simple - because our team for the last 4 years has never really thought of introducing fringe players and our batting line up has been hogged by Rizwan and Babar batting 14 overs each game to "protect" the middle order.

In the grand scheme of things this match is meaningless. The focus should be on the development and nurturing of some of these players. Yesterday was maybe the first time travelling away from home with the Pakistan side. They came into the game knowing that knives would be out straight away.

Give them a run of 10-15 bilaterals and then we can see if we need an anchor or not.

Honestly it is not about win or loss. It is not about only scoring 92 runs in 20 overs. It is not about losing your first ever game to Afghanistan.

It is about the pathetic approach some of the players played with. Never mind the batters playing stupidly, the way Naseem Macho Shah came out to bat in 15th over, no helmet, thinking he is the next Imran Khan, slogging every ball like there is no tomorrow was embarrassing to watch to say the least.

Our players need education that what they consider bravery is stupidity.

 

[indianpanacea]

This was first game for nearly half of team and that too in alien conditions..
Don't worry...they are against the world's best spinners..
Let them play freely even if it is a white wash...and yes retain this squad against newzealand series where they have to play at home ..anyways newzealand stars aren't probably travelling so let Pakistan rest it's stars as they will be needed for worldcup..
By the way...in the season of 50 over worldcup why is pakistan playing so many t20's... wouldn't had it been better to play 50 over matches ???

 

[PakPremi]

Hopefully lessons learned and the team will approach the match more sensibly with methodical batting.

 

[MenInG]

Hopefully lessons learned and the team will approach the match more sensibly with methodical batting.

Yes less playing to the galleries and proper batting.

 

[Rana]

Yes less playing to the galleries and proper batting.

Who was playing to the galleries? How did Abdullah get out? Was he playing to the Galleries too?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Pakistani youngsters are not as skillful or expereinced as England players, even England new players have plenty of first class experience. They can play situation well. I am all for bringing in new talent but not wholesale changes as if the team keeps losing matches it only undermines those players and they end up losing confidence.

England just got whitewashed by Bangladesh.

That’s the thing, why bring in a negative mindset, you’ve said “IF the team keeps losing matches it only undermines those players and they end up losing confidence” - my question to you is why can’t we go into a game with a positive mindset - “IF we win a series against a strong spin attack in conditions that make their bowlers even more lethal, it’ll increase their confidence and they can then go on to achieve better things.

 

[MenInG]

Who was playing to the galleries? How did Abdullah get out? Was he playing to the Galleries too?

 

[Rana]

That’s his shot

He plays it regularly. Didn’t come off this time. If it did we would all go crazy for him. It’s cricket. These things happen

 

[MenInG]

That’s his shot

He plays it regularly. Didn’t come off this time. If it did we would all go crazy for him. It’s cricket. These things happen

I guess 92/9 against Afghanistan also "happens"

 

[hitthestump]

A team needs to play to its strengths

Pakistans is its bowling Get a decent total on board and the bowling will defend it

Our batters dont have the big hitting or IQ to smash 200 every other game Its just not in their dna to pull it off We arent england

Its better to be realistic than optimistic

Even today if the top 4 had judged the pitch better and played accordingly 125 wouldve been a winning score

This is where some sensible batsmen are needed not necssarily the gung ho ones we had today

Perfectly put.

Babar and Rizwan are not 'anchors' anyway. They are world class batsmen who average 50 runs per game and score at nearly 130.

You cannot find an opener in Pakistan's t20 history who can match that, let alone what we have available today.

 

[Rana]

I guess 92/9 against Afghanistan also "happens"

It can happen

Did pakistan not nearly botch their chase against them in the Asia cup too? It’s cricket. They have 3/4 players with a higher net value than our biggest stars

Respect a good team

 

[Markhor]

Perfectly put.

Babar and Rizwan are not 'anchors' anyway. They are world class batsmen who average 50 runs per game and score at nearly 130.

You cannot find an opener in Pakistan's t20 history who can match that, let alone what we have available today.

Striking at "nearly 130" is not an achievement when you bat during the Powerplay.

In the Asia Cup and World Cup, award winning Babar was striking at 93 and 107.

[MENTION=141811]shariqnoor[/MENTION] is right. Yesterday's defeat was nothing to do with lacking anchors but poor game awareness.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

I guess 92/9 against Afghanistan also "happens"

It’s a low priority series where we should experiment and give our young players the platform to express themselves.

This ‘results first’ mentality is the sort of short term thinking that kills Pakistan crickets ability to plan for the future.

And then we are dissatisfied about not having options on the bench. It’s how our batting was weak in the WC because of Fakhar’s injury.