This "rebuilding phase" is one of the best things to happen to Pakistan cricket

[TheNightWatchman]

Yes the series loss against Bangladesh was disappointing but people are missing the bigger picture here. This team of future stars are capable of becoming world beaters. It might sound crazy now but it isn't. The likes of Mohammad Rizwan and Saad Nasim have proved just that. In 2 ODIs these players have managed to score 50s when the senior members like Hafeez weren't able to do nothing. They are young and look like they are willing to learn. We have Ajmal and Babar in the line up now but we have even better replacements in the likes of Shahzaib Ahmed and Zafar Gohar both of whom are performing brilliantly on the domestics. Babar Azam an Mukhtar Ahmed have been selected but their domestic stats prove they are capable of hanging with the big boys. We also have the likes of Amir who will pounce on the very opportunity when his ban ends. He is ripping through the domestic teams and has shown he is capable of doing it on international level. He's still 23 which makes it even better.
In another way this is a step forward and moving on, instead of falling back to players like (same old same old) we can look forward to what seems to be a more talented generation.
I guarantee Pakistan will become a team to beat by the next two years. It only takes a little patience and Toil (as the Bangladeshis learnt first hand) and Pakistan cricket will blossom.

 

[Mainul]

The main problem is that Pakistan team is never selected on merit. That's why you will never get the best combination available. If this is the rebuilding phase then why Babar, Ajmal, Guldozer have been selected instead of Shahzaib, Zafar, Sadaf? So you have to put away nepotism first. Otherwise you can't progress.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The main problem is that Pakistan team is never selected on merit. That's why you will never get the best combination available. If this is the rebuilding phase then why Babar, Ajmal, Guldozer have been selected instead of Shahzaib, Zafar, Sadaf? So you have to put away nepotism first. Otherwise you can't progress.

Very true.

 

[Slog]

This team of future stars are capable of becoming world beaters.

bas karde bhai. delusions ki hadd hoti hai

The likes of Mohammad Rizwan and Saad Nasim have proved just that. In 2 ODIs these players have managed to score 50s

No. The only thing they have proved is that they are as inconsistent and hit and miss type players as their predecessors and exhibit the same traits which make our other young batsmen so poor and terrible.


I would go and do a sentence by sentence tearing up of the OP but I just dont have the motivation or energy to do it

 

[Belawal2014]

Perhaps the only concern I have is that maybe the new crop is just not good enough..

 

[JilaWatan]

Agreed. Finally. A few year behind but gonna get there nonetheless. Folks need to be patient. These are called growing pains as we start pretty much with new players and a new look

 

[TheNightWatchman]

bas karde bhai. delusions ki hadd hoti hai



No. The only thing they have proved is that they are as inconsistent and hit and miss type players as their predecessors and exhibit the same traits which make our other young batsmen so poor and terrible.


I would go and do a sentence by sentence tearing up of the OP but I just dont have the motivation or energy to do it

You expect and judge players on 2 ODI innings?? Really? How are you to know they are inconsistent or not. Who in the world has scored big in the first 2 matches of their career. How can you possibly say they are hit and miss players. I'd understand if it was someone like Hafeez or Fawad you were talking about but these guys (Rizwan in particular) have been performing on a consistent basis on the domestic circuit. Check out his last few scores.
The fact that these 2 in their debut series performed better than the "senior" players speaks volumes. particularly when they've just played 2 ODIs

 

[TheNightWatchman]

The main problem is that Pakistan team is never selected on merit. That's why you will never get the best combination available. If this is the rebuilding phase then why Babar, Ajmal, Guldozer have been selected instead of Shahzaib, Zafar, Sadaf? So you have to put away nepotism first. Otherwise you can't progress.

I think they were selected on the basis of having more "experience" more than anything else

 

[TheNightWatchman]

bas karde bhai. delusions ki hadd hoti hai



No. The only thing they have proved is that they are as inconsistent and hit and miss type players as their predecessors and exhibit the same traits which make our other young batsmen so poor and terrible.


I would go and do a sentence by sentence tearing up of the OP but I just dont have the motivation or energy to do it

When I mean this team I mean the team consisting of completely new players. Excluding the likes of Hafeez, Ajmal etc

 

[Slog]

You expect and judge players on 2 ODI innings?? Really? How are you to know they are inconsistent or not. Who in the world has scored big in the first 2 matches of their career. How can you possibly say they are hit and miss players. I'd understand if it was someone like Hafeez or Fawad you were talking about but these guys (Rizwan in particular) have been performing on a consistent basis on the domestic circuit. Check out his last few scores.
The fact that these 2 in their debut series performed better than the "senior" players speaks volumes. particularly when they've just played 2 ODIs

ive been following Saad Nasim for a few years so know abt his capabilities and limitations

Dont know much abt Rizwan

 

[TheNightWatchman]

ive been following Saad Nasim for a few years so know abt his capabilities and limitations

Dont know much abt Rizwan

Guys like Rizwan, Mukhtar Ahmed, Babar Azam, Sami Aslam, Zafar Gohar, Shahzaib ahmed have been performing consistently on the domestics. Add to that the return of Amir. The side has the capability but only time will tell and that is why we should be patient. Saad nasim's may have been a one off but we can't be sure judging on 2 performances. The guy was selected for a reason and he proved why

 

[zabalestmsm]

We are at a crucial juncture! Reverting back to TTFs will even worsen our scenario!

 

[Cricket-passion]

The rebuilding process is continuing for eons. In each such phase, the new star performers shine like flash in the pan, only to get hit by a strange bug of superiority complex down the road and then they take their positions for granted. I am not too excited by the new comers performances, unless they can sustain it consistently. A sorry state of Pak cricket.

 

[Lajpaal]

Hafeez is not good enough to play as a batsman..i have no idea when will the selectors realize this!

 

[the Great Khan]

I have been watching cricket for a very long time and this has to be two of the most painful matches Ive seen, the commentary didnt help lol. But I truly understand the need to go through this pain. I can honestly say this is the first time ive seen the majority of players practically selected on merit. I like the fact players like umar akmal have been told to sort themselves out and come back, I like the fact that every player dropped was told why, and I like the fact that we are giving youngsters a chance.

what I dont like is the way some of our players have sqaundered their chances. will this new batch do the same?

lets look at the first mini rebuild in 2003, hafeez,akmal senior,sami,kaneria,gul,yasir hameed, and previously to that the so called up and comers afridi malik and razzaq. How many really made it? arguably only gul hafeez and afridi. the rest self destructed.

will the new batch survive? with amir coming back and alot being said about babar, aslam shazaib gohar Im hopeful we can get things back together. In a weird horrible sort of way its good we lost so we all realise the magnitude of the task ahead..

 

[IAJ]

The main problem is that Pakistan team is never selected on merit. That's why you will never get the best combination available. If this is the rebuilding phase then why Babar, Ajmal, Guldozer have been selected instead of Shahzaib, Zafar, Sadaf? So you have to put away nepotism first. Otherwise you can't progress.

Totally agree re the bolded part. The big fishes out there wont let that happen. Even one of the better administrators in Pak cricket managed to get his son play for Pakistan....

 

[Mainul]

I think they were selected on the basis of having more "experience" more than anything else

In rebuilding phase you have give chance to to youngsters who are knocking at the door for sometime with some consistent performance. If you recall players aged 39,37,32 then you can't call it rebuilding phase. At best you can call it a phase of reentry

 

[chacha kashmiri]

The main problem is that Pakistan team is never selected on merit. That's why you will never get the best combination available. If this is the rebuilding phase then why Babar, Ajmal, Guldozer have been selected instead of Shahzaib, Zafar, Sadaf? So you have to put away nepotism first. Otherwise you can't progress.

I've never seen shahzaib, sadaf or zafar play

But if it was true rebuilding I agree they would have been inducted

 

[salman24]

So you dropped your two best youngster I.e. Shehzad and Umar when they had a chance to step up knowing full well they will be playing in the World Cup in 2019. Makes no sense.
We can never build a proper team because unlike other teams we don't back our players because there is no long term planning. The same players will return in the next World Cup but won't play the full matches in the interim period which is nonsense

 

[Abdullah]

I am willing to be patient with these new guys, and the team. We don't want to revert to short term fixes (malik, kamran, gul etc)
We just need these guys to show the right hunger and attitude. If they do that then we will compete better once they are all settled.

At the moment we will get beaten because we do not have a 5th bowler. Hafeez will return soon, and he gives us brilliant control.
Ajmal is also like a new player, so his time maybe up soon.

The other thing is - we miss sohail khan

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So you dropped your two best youngster I.e. Shehzad and Umar when they had a chance to step up knowing full well they will be playing in the World Cup in 2019. Makes no sense.
We can never build a proper team because unlike other teams we don't back our players because there is no long term planning. The same players will return in the next World Cup but won't play the full matches in the interim period which is nonsense

They were dropped for disciplinary reasons, not performance related.

 

[hafizexpress]

So you dropped your two best youngster I.e. Shehzad and Umar when they had a chance to step up knowing full well they will be playing in the World Cup in 2019.

Wait what? hahahahaha

 

[Amjid Javed]

Things will probably get worse in short term with ODI performance, but hopefully in longterm this ODI team will grow and blossom and become competative, lets just hope the selectors and fans can be patient enough with results not likely to be that great early on.

 

[Nabeel23]

I hope the likes of Haris Sohail, Babar Azam, Sami Aslam etc get a county contract early in their careers, it would most definitely improve their game. I feel that we should stick with them and give them a long run, players like Kamran Akmal etc won't make much difference anyway, this is a new era for Pakistan cricket and I feel this era will be better than the last.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

In rebuilding phase you have give chance to to youngsters who are knocking at the door for sometime with some consistent performance. If you recall players aged 39,37,32 then you can't call it rebuilding phase. At best you can call it a phase of reentry

Atleast half the team is rebuilding. These guys will eventually give their spots away to the youngsters in the squad who weren't used

 

[TheNightWatchman]

So you dropped your two best youngster I.e. Shehzad and Umar when they had a chance to step up knowing full well they will be playing in the World Cup in 2019. Makes no sense.
We can never build a proper team because unlike other teams we don't back our players because there is no long term planning. The same players will return in the next World Cup but won't play the full matches in the interim period which is nonsense

They were playing the worst shots and weren't even playing proper innings. They needed to go back to domestic even if they were dropped for disciplinary reasons. U Akmal in particular. Too many failures from him. Needs to go back to FC and not play T20

 

[#GreenRoars]

i do have positive hopes, but ONLY if PCB continue to give chances to younger players.
and give the some matches than sure they can develop.
but only time will tell .

 

[in_cutter]

Been rebuilding for a decade...

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Guys like Rizwan, Mukhtar Ahmed, Babar Azam, Sami Aslam, Zafar Gohar, Shahzaib ahmed have been performing consistently on the domestics. Add to that the return of Amir. The side has the capability but only time will tell and that is why we should be patient. Saad nasim's may have been a one off but we can't be sure judging on 2 performances. The guy was selected for a reason and he proved why

Took a while for Rizwan to get going. Hope Zafar Gohar gets going too. Babar was the blue chipper and he delivered. What happened to Sami Aslam was pretty unfortunate in my opinion. He could make a place for himself in the test team even now. The rest just fizzled out I guess. Wonder why Shahzaib, Zafar, Mukhtar don't play PSL? Any idea?

 

[Varun]

Pakistan have been rebuilding since April 2003.

 

[PakPremi]

Pakistan have been rebuilding since April 2003.

They done ok since then for a team terribly affected due to turmoil in Pakistan caused by terrorism, playing away from home with limited budget, and India not playing Pakistan, and Pakistani players not getting intense exposure of IPL playing with worlds best. Not to forget own goals like quality players getting banned due to spot fixing or bad behaviours.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

India desperately need to go through a rebuilding phase. They should do it smoother than Pakistan.
In addition to Rizwan and Babar, Pakistan were lucky enough to unearth Shaheen, Shadab and now Rauf and Naseem.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Pakistan might have foundations but the building is nowhere near being a structure. It's got dodgy beams and everything