This rubbish (Champions Trophy 2017) replaced the Test Championship?

[USofA]

Get that garbage outta here!!! T20s? Interested in T20s lol? T20s are the future lol? That format is the biggest waste of time from any of them.

It's like watching a soccer match with the pitch a quarter of the size and nets 5 times bigger. Yay the score is 50-47! Every ball going for a boundry defeats the purpose and allowing teams to have 10 wickets LOL for just 20 overs is silly. It's like baseball allowing 12 outs per inning instead of 3 LOL. The balance is so wrong in T20s.

Then why is every country starting their own T20 league. I do not see them starting test leagues. How about the ICC. They have been dragging...dragging.....dragging their feet on a test championship. Yet when they wanted to get a T20 world cup started, everything was done in lightning quick pace to get it going.

Now why would all this time energy and $$$ be spent when there is no future in it.

 

[ar2020]

Then why is every country starting their own T20 league. I do not see them starting test leagues. How about the ICC. They have been dragging...dragging.....dragging their feet on a test championship. Yet when they wanted to get a T20 world cup started, everything was done in lightning quick pace to get it going.

Now why would all this time energy and $$$ be spent when there is no future in it.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I could care less what they're doing. There are a a lot of low IQ people who are now cricket fans. Just look at the IPL...mostly watched by people who never used to watch cricket before. They know nothing.

Please tell me how it makes ANY sense for a team to have 10 wickets for only 20 overs. It would be the equivalent of 25 wickets for 50 overs.

 

[someone21]

Cricket should not be an elitist sport and test cricket symbolizes everything elite. It has to be a sport of many, and of all classes rather than a sport of few, and the elite class. Thus, it's not surprising that there are always a ton of arrogance seen in those test cricket cheerleaders.

 

[USofA]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I could care less what they're doing. There are a a lot of low IQ people who are now cricket fans. Just look at the IPL...mostly watched by people who never used to watch cricket before. They know nothing.

Please tell me how it makes ANY sense for a team to have 10 wickets for only 20 overs. It would be the equivalent of 25 wickets for 50 overs.

I am just pointing out the reality of what is going on in the cricket world. The real world is very different from the forum world. All this talk about test being the "premier" format is good. But it is just talk. Looks and sounds good in the forum world.

But in the real world the powers that be are staring at a different demand i.e. not tests but T20's.

 

[ar2020]

Cricket should not be an elitist sport and test cricket symbolizes everything elite. It has to be a sport of many, and of all classes rather than a sport of few, and the elite class. Thus, it's not surprising that there are always a ton of arrogance seen in those test cricket cheerleaders.

Cricket, tennis, golf should and always will be elitist sports.

 

[someone21]

Cricket, tennis, golf should and always will be elitist sports.

Very wrong. Cricket is a team sport with nations are represented whereas golf, tennis are just individual sport. Awful rebuttal from you really.

 

[ar2020]

Very wrong. Cricket is a team sport with nations are represented whereas golf, tennis are just individual sport. Awful rebuttal from you really.

What does team sport vs individual have anything to do with it? Those three are all country club sports....

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Get that garbage outta here!!! T20s? Interested in T20s lol? T20s are the future lol? That format is the biggest waste of time from any of them.

It's like watching a soccer match with the pitch a quarter of the size and nets 5 times bigger. Yay the score is 50-47! Every ball going for a boundry defeats the purpose and allowing teams to have 10 wickets LOL for just 20 overs is silly. It's like baseball allowing 12 outs per inning instead of 3 LOL. The balance is so wrong in T20s.

T20 cricket is good for the growth of the game,more countries will adopt T20's,no new country will warm up to test cricket at first.Test Cricket is the pinnacle of cricket but T20 is the future.Doesn't really matter what you or other test purists think,millions of people prefer T20 to Tests.Apart from England or Australia,you hardly see large crowds attending test matches

This is primarily because

-Test cricket is 5 days long,no one,not even the most die hard test cricket supporter can watch a complete test match over 5 days.

-Some people may find test matches boring,e.g some sessions in the recent Pak-Windies series where Pakistan batted were snooze fests.

 

[Markhor]

Test Cricket is simply boring, let's not make excuses for it. 99 people out of a 100 in England hate it too and consider it a waste of time. The remaining one percent are those who make up for the audience in the stands.

There is simply no joy in seeing balls being left over to the WK and doing tuk tuk for 5 days. What do you want to watch? A 30 overs session with 50 runs scored? Or 200 runs scored in Days play with 400 dot balls? Is a normal viewer expected to enjoy these dot balls? Misbah's 0 ( 50) quality test knock?

Test cricket can be exciting if there is something on the line and played in sporting conditions between two competitive teams.

Take the 2005 Ashes which drew huge TV figures in England or the recent India-Australia series which was well followed. Both series had lots of action and special moments with the matches ebbing and flowing.

I don't understand why folks need to tear down one format to praise another be it Test fans (who admittedly are the most guilty of this) or T20 fans.

 

[someone21]

Test cricket can be exciting if there is something on the line and played in sporting conditions between two competitive teams. Take the 2005 Ashes which drew huge TV figures in England or the recent India-Australia series which was well followed. Both series had lots of action and special moments with the matches ebbing and flowing. I don't understand why folks need to tear down one format to praise another be it Test fans (who admittedly are the most guilty of this) or T20 fans.

Haha, so you had to go all the way back in 2005, just to find a good test match. Test cricket is dying, and only few "elite" people love it. And cricket should not be a elitist sport and thus Test cricket makes no natural sense. Cricket should be for many, and all classes, and T20s is the right way.

 

[TQ89]

Junaids you are overlooking one huge change in test cricket. One day & t20 have actually made tests result oriented.

Gone are the 70's/80's days where you would win a 3 match or 5 match series by 1-0 or 2-0. Nowadays every teams plays to win. you keep talking of the 70's then you must sure remember how much england cricket team damaged test cricket in the 60's by playing draws and by being defensive all the time.

I read some where that these served as early motivation for gillete one day cup in 1966. You can correct if i am wrong

We have to thank the waugh's australian side who set the standard 4po in tests and made them watchable and also result oriented.

These draws are also one of the biggest reason of lack of viewership interest alongwith the slow pace. Why would people bother to watch a sport for five days when there would be no victor in the end. It doesn't make sense and should be factored as reason for crickets low appeal outside few countries.

So odis aren't as bad as you make them sound. Perhaps you are being too nostalgiac in this regard and totally disregarding the period where the game has actually blossomed & became popular to every cricket lover across the globe.

 

[Markhor]

Haha, so you had to go all the way back in 2005, just to find a good test match. Test cricket is dying, and only few "elite" people love it. And cricket should not be a elitist sport and thus Test cricket makes no natural sense. Cricket should be for many, and all classes, and T20s is the right way.

Err no all I have to go back to is 2017 when India played Australia in a competitive series.

You may want to pay a bit more attention to the sport.

 

[Syed1]

Err no all I have to go back to is 2017 when India played Australia in a competitive series.

You may want to pay a bit more attention to the sport.

The last test between Pak and WI was also a good advertisement for test match cricket.

 

[Tusker]

What demise?

I don't care what Indians watch for sport or any other entertainment. I really couldn't care less.

But I do know that in Australia (where I live) and England (where I'm from) Test cricket is the strongest format.

Well feel free to explain the decent crowds for the CT matches so far even for the neutral games in your beloved "Test Cricket" Loving , rain soaked homeland to see what you call rubbish (roobish as Boycs would say) .

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Is it just me or is this tournament (2017 Champions Trophy) pretty poor?

Still early days true but this tournament has gotten off to a bad start IMO.

Matches dominated by rain, when games are being completed they are very one sided and pitches are so flat its an absolute snooze to watch. Decent teams batting first just pile on the runs and lose about 2 wickets in the first 40 overs.

Hope it improves but can't see it happening. ICC have absolutely killed my excitement for ODI cricket with every team piling on runs due to two new balls and just generally flat decks.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Yes it's been a poor tournament.

 

[HinderTheJinder]

Rain has destroyed this tournament

 

[Executioner]

Poor pitches and the weather. Absolute snoozefest.

 

[troodon]

Real matches begin from Semis.

Aus/Ind/SA/Eng, when they play in Semis, it will be hotly contested.

The rift between the top 4 and the rest is a bit too much at this point of time. NZ on a good day can beat top 4, but even they are no match for the top 4 teams.

 

[ar2020]

What do you expect of weather in early June?

 

[dell79]

Combo of lack of gun bowlers in world cricket, pitches flatter than the M6, 2 new balls. Might as well have a bowling machine.

 

[90MPH]

Poor weather has made it a poor spectacle.

Some mismatched teams not competing as well doesn't help.

From Semis onwards it will get better.

 

[Pakistanian]

Should've been played in July or August but the English prioritize their home season over a world event.

 

[Mamoon]

2009 Champions Trophy was fantastic, the last edition was average as well. So far, rain has spoiled this one, but hopefully things will pick up in the knockouts.

 

[leatherface58]

Cricket is probably the only game whose administrators and fans actually want LESS teams to play. I understand the administrators are greedy for their share of the pie but fans should surely want more teams to play resulting in the game spreading. The same teams play the same over and over and it gets boring after a while. Plus, the tournaments happening practically every year has made them less valuable because lose this and the next one is just around the corner.

While Irish/Afghans might get thrashed by Australia, they will still get valuable exposure and who knows a special innings or two might inspire some youngsters in those countries to become cricketers themselves. This criticism of relatively newer teams for being poor and "not international level" is pathetic and elitist. Especially when almost all of the countries are incapable of winning overseas.

 

[HinderTheJinder]

Another reason is that there is a big gulf between Top 5 and rest of the teams

 

[santos11]

What do you want to see? 150 v/s 150 matches?

Must have enjoyed Bangaldeshs batting today.

 

[Macho Mann]

should have shifted the venue, too any rain delays

also england facing terror threats regularly now

 

[idrizzy]

Three (mainly two) reasons why:
1)(?) Pitches. However the Aus vs Ban has a little something for the bowkers, more a 275 pitch which was good to see. This is by just judging the pitch - had a few cracks, but definitely not a 320+ pitch.
2) Weather. Already washed out a couple matches
3) It's CT of 5 teams. Bangladesh, SL and Pakistan are miles behind the others and it's embarrassing. There's no competition at all.

 

[Hamad_H]

The Aus vs NZ game was rained off and the less said about Ind vs Pak the better. The tournament will get better with the knockouts and the games will become less one sided with Eng vs Aus/NZ and Ind vs. SA coming up as long as the weather permits it.

 

[HinderTheJinder]

2009 Champions Trophy was fantastic, the last edition was average as well. So far, rain has spoiled this one, but hopefully things will pick up in the knockouts.

Tbh there were many one sided games in 2009 edition too

 

[Mamoon]

Tbh there were many one sided games in 2009 edition too

Yes but some great matches as well.

 

[HinderTheJinder]

Yes but some great matches as well.

Please mention the matches.I don't remember any match other than Pak vs Aus which went to final ball.Even Knockout stages were one sided

 

[Major]

I like how this tournament is being destroyed by rain.

ICC is running after money. The purpose of this tournament was all monetary not foe the purpose of promoting the sport or anything

 

[Mamoon]

Please mention the matches.I don't remember any match other than Pak vs Aus which went to final ball.Even Knockout stages were one sided

Pakistan vs India
Pakistan vs Australia
New Zealand vs Sri Lanka
England vs South Africa
Pakistan vs NZ semifinal

These were all good matches that I remember from the top of my head. Maybe missed a few.

 

[HinderTheJinder]

Pakistan vs India
Pakistan vs Australia
New Zealand vs Sri Lanka
England vs South Africa
Pakistan vs NZ semifinal

These were all good matches that I remember from the top of my head. Maybe missed a few.

I think last CT had some good and close matches as well.

Pak vs WI
SA vs WI
NZ vs SL
NZ vs ENG
IND vs SA
SL vs AUS
and of course who can forget the final.

 

[Billy1999]

Really really poor it doesn't have the atmosphere of an ICC event I remember the World Cup back in 2015 them lush green outfields,hot weather,Attractive theme,Beautiful atmosphere,kids,events,better Experiance in commentry,the crowd could sit on the grass,picnics,theme song everything was first class

 

[Donal Cozzie]

What do you want to see? 150 v/s 150 matches?

Must have enjoyed Bangaldeshs batting today.

What sort of argument is this.

I wanna see balanced surfaces which can allow for either bowlers being extremely threatening or batsmen getting off to a very rapid start on the basis of their skill i.e 2011 WC where we saw some outstanding matches on balanced tracks. Currently half of the current good ODI batsmen would be found out as useless on a half decent track IMO, as evidenced by Englands capitulation and subsequent whinging after the last ODI vs SA.

Currently ODI cricket is all about flatness. Opening batsmen smashing sixes and fours from the first ball until the end of the powerplay, then overs 10 to 40 being total borefests where the bowling side are happy restricting teams to 5 an over and the batting side are happy to keep wickets in hand, ending in a slogathon for the final 10 overs. Virtually every opening innings in every game bar today's followed this pattern. Was the same for the 2015 WC as well. To top it off it puts immense pressure on chasing teams to fire from ball 1 and that leads to massive victory margins.

I miss being able to watch an innings and actually be kept interested by the prospect of a fine bowling spell just ripping through a team, not the current format where you're lucky to see 3 wickets fall in the first 40 overs and bowlers haven't a hope of succeeding unless the batting team have a complete meltdown. I also miss being able to see a team at around 100 for 5 after 25 overs and know that if they battle their way to 250 they've got a decent total, instead of currently when you may as well just switch off because the par of 325 is already well gone.

ODI's should combine defence and offence, thats what made it the most popular format of the game for decades. Since 2014 or so it's become a longer boring version of t20 which has rendered it obsolete IMO.

Not even asking for big changes, just scrap two new balls and ask boards to serve up more balanced trakcs. Boom issue solved.

I'd complain as well if every ODI these days had scores of 150 being normal as well, game can't be too favoured towards either party, at least not in every single match as it is currently.

 

[Mamoon]

I think last CT had some good and close matches as well.

Pak vs WI
SA vs WI
NZ vs SL
NZ vs ENG
IND vs SA
SL vs AUS
and of course who can forget the final.

Champions Trophy has generally been a good tournament. The 2004 one was quite poor though.

 

[BDfanforever]

Rain keeping it interesting in group A.

 

[MMHS]

More or less, every ODI tournament will be like this from now on. 2015 WC was quite boring as well.

The reason being destruction of natural balance of a system - the game is a contest between bat & ball, which ICC has destroyed. Unless, the balance of the game is restored to something like most matches (say SD close to 2, or 90%+) results in a match total between 450 to 575, most ODI matches will be boring. In last 2 months, I think, only 2 ODI that I really didn't know the winner before 95% duration (or say 95 overs) is PAK-WI 2nd ODI (Mohammed's match) & the 2nd ODI between ENG-SAF. Rest were more or less boring after 60 overs or even earlier.

 

[HinderTheJinder]

More or less, every ODI tournament will be like this from now on. 2015 WC was quite boring as well.

The reason being destruction of natural balance of a system - the game is a contest between bat & ball, which ICC has destroyed. Unless, the balance of the game is restored to something like most matches (say SD close to 2, or 90%+) results in a match total between 450 to 575, most ODI matches will be boring. In last 2 months, I think, only 2 ODI that I really didn't know the winner before 95% duration (or say 95 overs) is PAK-WI 2nd ODI (Mohammed's match) & the 2nd ODI between ENG-SAF. Rest were more or less boring after 60 overs or even earlier.

The debate of contest between bat and ball is usually mistaken as people like pitches where even lullo punjoos like Mashrafe Mortaza take 5 wicket halls.The best thing about batting pitches is that you have to bowl extremely well to get wickets just look at Starc his yorkers today were bang on

 

[MMHS]

The debate of contest between bat and ball is usually mistaken as people like pitches where even lullo punjoos like Mashrafe Mortaza take 5 wicket halls.The best thing about batting pitches is that you have to bowl extremely well to get wickets just look at Starc his yorkers today were bang on

Good trick - that Mashrafee bait is praise worthy.

Who told you I am talking about wicket in terms of contest between bat & ball? Or do you think that Lullo Punjus can get a 5fer on 450-575 per match? Obviously, you haven't noticed the range of match total & Standard Deviation of around 2 that mentioned.

There should be out layers, in either extreme, but majority matches should give something to the bowlers - which includes the ground size, ball used, number of balls, fielding restrictions, bat size, free hits, review on foot fault after batsmen is given out, short ball restriction, height of the bounce etc. They have shortened the boundary, using 2 machine swan balls without much seem or grip for spinners, mallet like bats, 5 or more inners fielders for 80% time ....... and then makes the wicket absolute marble.

Hope, this doesn't go above head. After, Starc's example, I actually don't expect much - didn't think I'll have to explain the difference between seem movement of the wicket & beating tail-enders in air through sheer pace.

 

[Jatt_bonebreaker]

I dont understand whats wrong with the pitches. Games have evolved and team who have evolved themselves to the requirements of modern day cricket are doing better than the ones whom are stuck in old days. Next what restrict players fitness level because modern day players are fitter. End of the day cricket is a game which is played for entertainment. How would cricket spread if matches are boring low scoring where batsmen are playing test type tuk tuk and spectators are sleeping... People like action.

 

[aloo paratha]

I dont understand whats wrong with the pitches. Games have evolved and team who have evolved themselves to the requirements of modern day cricket are doing better than the ones whom are stuck in old days. Next what restrict players fitness level because modern day players are fitter. End of the day cricket is a game which is played for entertainment. How would cricket spread if matches are boring low scoring where batsmen are playing test type tuk tuk and spectators are sleeping... People like action.

All evolution isn't good. There is no contest between bat and ball and idk about you but I find it super boring. Team A 65/1 after 10 overs, after 40 theyre 240/2, slogging and slogging they end with 330/6.

It doesn't have to be a 200 all out game either, just a balance. 270-290/8 is a good score, bowlers got something, batsmen got something too. An odd score of 330 won't be bad but when it's every game it's just...

 

[Muhammad10]

Always raining; why would anyone waste their time on this constipated joke of a tournament?

 

[Mamoon]

The best tournament in a long, long time. The Champions Trophy has always been a great tournament. Thankfully the ICC knew what they were doing.

4 teams and 3 Tests doesn't sound like a "Championship". A Test Championship has tremendous potential, but it needs much better planning. The proposed model will be a flop.

 

[santos11]

Great bump. Egg on the face for OP.

 

[Sports_Psychologist]

Well this proved the best ICC tournament in a long long time..

 

[big_gamer007]

Apart from scheduling it in England in current season where matches have chances to get washed out this tournament has been amazing so far..

 

[The_Odd_One]

This is turning out to be one hell of a tournament.

 

[Mamoon]

This tournament has breathed new life into the ODI format. It is here to stay.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

England needs this tournament otherwise the game will die. Have a T20 WC in England every two years also.

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

Thank God we don't have to watch a boring test championship between only 4 teams over this exciting tournament, test cricket may be valuable to some but it is getting out dated, oldest format doesn't always mean better, most of the fans on this forum here are hardcore cricket fans that's why you may see some support in this thread but the majority of the world don't care about 5 Days tests. Even majority of English people don't care, they rather watch football.

 

[Hasan123]

It has been a good tournament so far. OTT thread by [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION].

Odi format is here to stay.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

It has been a good tournament so far. OTT thread by [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION].

Odi format is here to stay.

It started slow, with rain interruptions , washouts and predictable one sided thrashing, but last three days have been epic with unexpected results in all three matches which has made this one of the most interesting tournaments in recent history.

 

[Hasan123]

It started slow, with rain interruptions , washouts and predictable one sided thrashing, but last three days have been epic with unexpected results in all three matches which has made this one of the most interesting tournaments in recent history.

Exactly everyone can get through other than NZ. Looking forward to the weekends action.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Where are the edgy hipsters comparing this exciting contest to 5 day nonsense called test cricket? Test cricket has no place in 2017

 

[Gabbar Singh]

A very good tournament so far, [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] have you changed your mind?

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Has improved a lot after a torrid start. No coincidence the best games have been middle scoring ones either.

 

[thehub]

Has improved a lot after a torrid start. No coincidence the best games have been middle scoring ones either.

that's why he should have waited for a few games to get over before jumping into conclusion. he made himself looking like a clown.

 

[Junaids]

that's why he should have waited for a few games to get over before jumping into conclusion. he made himself looking like a clown.

I disagree!

I have only seen 2 close matches.

And I have hardly seen a single ball swing or move off the seam.

It's still a boring batfest, and 2 of the best 4 teams went home early.

 

[czar]

I disagree!

I have only seen 2 close matches.

And I have hardly seen a single ball swing or move off the seam.

It's still a boring batfest, and 2 of the best 4 teams went home early.

If this is boring, how do see sit through that sh*t called Test Cricket for 5 days?

Offcourse it is boring for someone with an elitist mindset where the only Cricket that matters is Test Cricket.

 

[ipl_fan]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] Get off your high horse and just enjoy the spectacle. You try too hard.

 

[todfod 11]

Thank God we don't have to watch a boring test championship between only 4 teams over this exciting tournament, test cricket may be valuable to some but it is getting out dated, oldest format doesn't always mean better, most of the fans on this forum here are hardcore cricket fans that's why you may see some support in this thread but the majority of the world don't care about 5 Days tests. Even majority of English people don't care, they rather watch football.

every team should be limited to 7 test matches per year..they suvh boring

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] Get off your high horse and just enjoy the spectacle. You try too hard.

I'm enjoying today. I like it when there's a balance between bat and ball. I just switch off in any ODI when the team batting first reaches 260. To me scores of 260 or more are devalued.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Lol @ people trying to reason out with the OP. Irrespective of how this tournament goes, it will remain boring for him even if he didn't see one ball being bowled.

The Test Fanatic OP is like a medieval Man, born up with ancient mindset and values and who is finding it tough to adjust to the changing times and modern thinking. Trying to resist the change and finding it all the very painful. Hence so much bitterness and " It was best during our times " thinking.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

I'm enjoying today. I like it when there's a balance between bat and ball. I just switch off in any ODI when the team batting first reaches 260. To me scores of 260 or more are devalued.

If you actually watched, you might realize there's nothing about the conditions here. England just batted awfully while Pakistan bowled well.

 

[Junaids]

If you actually watched, you might realize there's nothing about the conditions here. England just batted awfully while Pakistan bowled well.

With respect - genuinely - I'm not sure that I agree.

Cardiff is a place where the short ball bounces inconsistently. It's often hard to score once the ball loses its shine.

But I agree with your post in general.

 

[Dios]

The tournament turned out to be pretty decent in the end. I feel like we need more global tournaments and less meaningless JAMODI bilateral series'.

 

[Sane.Cricket.Fan]

Abhi kya bolte ho?

 

[Adil_94]

this tournament has shown that if u have pitches that help the bowlers a bit. ODI cricket can be compelling again rather than being basically longer T20s they are on most pitches nowadays.

 

[Adil_94]

but yeah we need more triangular and quadrangular series. multi team tournaments are always more fun

 

[Gabbar Singh]

After the massive success of the CT I think it's clear to most that the decision to scrap the test championship in favour of the CT was the right one.

 

[Suleiman]

I'm kind of torn if CT is scraped.

Initially I wanted it to stay because I am a snobbish elitist and think a CT is a truer test of the top 8 teams strength vs one another than the diluted World Cup in which a random side like Czech Republic can knock out a top side like England (2015 wali team) on its day and then get hammered the rest of the tourney.

I know I'm not being pc or whatever, but I called it before, CT is so much more watcable because there aren't any associates diluting the competition. It is intense 100% of the way.

I have always loved CT's no nonsense format. Nice sweet tournament, you play, win, move forward, lose, go home all in quick time.

You can't bash Ireland in the group stage to give you some solace and move yourself to the quarterfinal even though you already got caved in by the West Indies with your batting card looking like 1-4 for a while.

But you can take the loss vs your archrivals to fuel the rest of your campaign, playing all the games from then on as kill or be killed knockout games, bringing the best out of you till it comes full circle in a little over 2 weeks.

But now if it is scraped, we will be the last trophy holders and eternal champions of the trophy.