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You sir have no idea. These are hospitality boxes including the captain's lounge box. Why dont you go and check the lord's website. Ofcourse if i buy a 10 or 20 seater table or box the cost goes up according to the numbers.
And there are no 10k or 20k per head boxes neither are there as many hospitality seats.
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The world cup revenues go to the ICC not ECB.
ECB's financial reserves are at a all time low and they depend on Australia and India tours to earn money. Thats according to the ECB statements given to the biggest cricketing website.
If corporate hospitality was the revenue earner than ECB wont go running after T20 and now 100ball cricket.
Australia and England together do not come anywhere near BCCI's income.Infact according to big 3 data BCCI generated close to 80% of ICC's income.
Can you substantiate your claim of a hospitality ticket generating £550 in profits? Please post ECB or credible media statements not your own calculations.
BCCI will generate $3.5bn in next 5 years from media rights alone. Add to that various other sponsorships like shirt sponsorship of $162 mn, IPL title sponsorship of $341mn and various other sponsorships. We are looking at a revenue of $4bn plus in 5 years.And these are all official figures.Not picking up figures out of the air like you.
ECB isnt even close to this. They are placing their hopes on the £1bn 5 year broadcast deal that comes online next year not on few hospitality boxes.lol.
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Isnt lords owned by MCC? i don't think ECB gets anything from hospitality boxes there.
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Yes its owned by the MCC.
Have you read my posts?
I quoted those Hospitality prices to show what the going rates are.
But I also added that those weren’t even for Hospitality boxes - they are for normal seats combined with catering behind the ground.
Everybody knows that most Hospitality bookings at the two London venues go for upwards of £500 per seat, and often double that.
But when the product is identical for 2 World Cup matches yet prices vary by £600, it’s obvious just how vast the profit margin is.
The current problem is the same as when Pakistan hosted Tests in England in 2010.
Grounds - owned by the counties - have to bid to the ECB for Test hosting rights, and they generate a surplus (or fail) by ticket and hospitality sales.
All the trash talking about India having an army of lucrative fans led the counties to make big bids for these Tests, second only to an Ashes series.
But it turns out demand is disappointing and the market for watching India at the ground won’t pay what is the going rate for tours by Australia or even NZ and South Africa.
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What are you talking? for 4 days total attendance is close 76,000...highest in recent times for Edgebston.
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Do you know how much the grounds bid for and how much they made? If not then how did you calculate profit or loss?
Please post the bidding rates of the counties for matches of India,Australia,NZ and SA. Then the ticket rates and sales. Then we can arrive at a profit or loss scenario.
The ticket rates at Edgebaston were double the amount charged for the Pakistan test.And they sold 76000 tickets in 4 days.
Lords and Oval are sold out.
Again i will take the statements made by the ECB to cricinfo that India and Australia are their big pay days rather than you pulling out numbers from air.
Again WC matches are not ICC events.Why are you bringing them here?
Hospitality boxes for IPL matches cost somewhere between rs25k(£300 approx) to 35k(£400 approx)for a match. This is for a 3hr event. So for a morning to evening event with booze and breakfast and lunch a £500 isnt much.
I am not even going into the rates for international ODIs or T20s.
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] you must surely live in a very very different world if you think Hospitality pays the bill in England and not the TV revenue. I have never ever heard any media report to that effect. Now we all know that you have a penchant for trolling Indian fans but you are only making a complete fool of yourselves here.
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You’re really not listening.
Indian tours of ANY country give the local Board a bumper payday because private Indian TV channels pay large sums to show the matches.
But England play 2 Tests per summer at Lords and 1 at The Oval for a clear reason: Hospitality revenue is vast, whereas at Cape Town or Christchurch or Chennai it is minuscule.
That’s why England got into the Big Three on financial grounds.
I raised Hospitality because another poster said “TV revenue is all that counts.”
Well it’s not in England. It’s very important for the ECB, but the counties (grounds) have to bid their own money to host matches and they don’t recoup any of the TV money - they make a profit or loss on ticket and hospitality sales.
The most notorious example is Pakistan’s “Home” Test v Australia in 2010 at Leeds.
Yorkshire CCC paid out a handsome bid, imagining that half of Bradford and Dewsbury would turn out for the match.
They didn’t, and Yorkshire is still paying the financial consequences.
As ever, many of the Indian posters in this thread can’t distinguish between a team, a Board, TV revenue and a hosting county.
This thread is about disappointing attendances at Edgbaston after Warwickshire County Cricket Club bid a small fortune to host an India Test.
The money Indian TV paid the ECB for the rights has precisely ZERO relevance for the poor county which ended up selling 76,000 tickets for a 5 day match.
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How hosting the 2010 Pakistan v Australia Test almost bankrupted Yorkshire CCC, due to a huge hosting fee and low attendances as Pakistan won the Test in 3 days.......
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/feb/11/yorkshire-ashes-tests-2013-2015
The article shows that the new fixed price system charges as much to host an India Test as an Ashes one!!!!!!!!
Poor Warwickshire!
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Shahid Afridi....)
That should not be a surprise. Afridi is the ultimate name when it comes to entertainment for casual fans. Has been around for over two decades. Won WT20 in England.
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76000 tickets in 4 days and double the price. Thats a revenue.
ECB got into big 3 because it holds the 2nd biggest Tv revenue market in cricketing world.
You are lying when you say that Tv revenue has nothing to do with counties. All counties receive a part of ECB revenues known as Fee Payments.
You have no idea how much a hospitality box sells per head during IPL in India so better not comment on it.
You know these stories you try to weave you may get away at another place another era but certainly not on PP.
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Why are you calling me a liar?
1. We have established that the grounds Pay the ECB to host Tests, and get none of the TV revenue, they only keep the ticket and hospitality sales revenue.
2. It is a matter of record that the ECB charges the same hosting fee for a Test against Australia or India.
3. The 2015 Australia Test at Edgbaston sold out with 102,000 tickets for 4 days.
4. The 2018 India Test at Edgbaston sold 76,000 tickets for 4 days.
It’s obvious - the Board makes more money selling overseas TV rights for India Tests, but the grounds do much worse hosting India than Australia.
Amusingly, ticket sales for India are very similar to when Pakistan tour, and hosting rights are clearly overpriced.
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The problem is that casual England fans like brands and the Ashes is a brand and people want to come. When those fans dont buy tickets then it leaves tickets for PK and Inds and those dont care enough for test cricket to go the ground.
The biggest hole in this story is that the pitch would have been a absolute flat pancake by the groundsman to ensure that the game lasts 5 days .
but Yorkshire Going bankrupt had nothing to do with India but everything to do with Pakistan and their supposedly big box office pullers like Afridi and Younis Khan lol. So why are you disputing that by claiming India is no better than Pakistan,SA,NZ in terms of attracting people to ground or TV in Eng ?
Remember this is a very old article from FEB'2011 and this is the 3rd Test Series that India is playing in Eng since then. If hosting India is such a loss making undertaking (as you are trying to portray) why are the counties repeatedly bidding to host them every time they play ? Keep in mind that at the end of this series India would have played the same No.of Tests in Eng as Aus in the last 10-12 yr period and therefore should have bankrupted atleast one or two counties.
From your own article as you pointed out:
So maybe you should post a media report like that in which a India match is blamed for bankrupting a county ?
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1. You are a liar because Counties get a part of ECB revenues called fee payments. So saying that counties dont get TV revenues is a lie.
2.Yes they do. Thats their two blockbuster series. Ashes and India series are on par.
3.The Ashes test at edgbaston lasted 3 days. So where did you get a figure for 4 days? Again trying to conjure figures out of the air.
Surprisingly ticket prices for India tests are twice of that of Pakistan test matches. Lords and Oval are sold out.
As far as I'm aware at Lords you pay for the hospitality whether there's any cricket on or not, it doesn't matter if it rains/play has ended. Don't know if it's the same elsewhere but I imagine so.
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I recieved an email from WCCC saying tickets available for the first 2 days starting from £29 which is reasonable?
So if this test was held at Lords today would be Day5 and the ground would be open and people would be in these Hospitality boxes ?
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I checked out the Lords website. You can buy per day tickets as well.
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Very reasonable.
I paid £90 for a Lords ticket on day 1 of a Test match 2 years ago - and that ticket I got on a ballot as well.
So what will they be doing today in a empty stadium and no play ?
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Depends on the stands also. Dont they?
Starting tickets of £29 doesnot mean all tickets are £29.
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So they will go up for sale last minute only if there is certainty that play will happen on Day-5 ? also what happens to all the Day-4 purchases if match finishes in 3 days ?
I assume that would be the case for day 5. As far as I'm aware if you prebook any hospitality there are no refunds if the game has ended/rain prevents any play all day. You get refunded the cost of your actual match ticket (which will be very small compared to the actual hospitality price) and given access to the hospitality facilities and catering you purchased for the day. I'd assume it would be a similar system elsewhere.
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Didn't say the highest was £1055, just that's one of the options I found that was publicly visible. That was only the captain's lounge option so the packages that include boxes would be notably more than that.
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And according to [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] this is the revenue stream that pays the bills for the counties
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Captain lounge starts from £675.
Ofcourse if you book a private table it would per head multiplied by number of persons.
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And according to [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] this is the revenue stream that pays the bills for the counties
According to [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] counties dont get share of Tv revenue. While truth is all counties get share of ecb revenues.
That's only for day 3 of the test and is pre-VAT (another 20%). The captain's lounge package is also basically just an ordinary seat that's available to the general public (in the mound stand) but with a few meals included and a couple of speeches from an ex-international captain. An actual box would cost you far more.
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Yes Actual box costs more because they are private tables. But a box isnt for one individual. Its for a group so the per head cost has to be divided like wise.
Corporates buy such boxes at grounds all over the world. Its not exclusive to English grounds.
No, please read my posts.
The ECB subsidy - what you call a share of TV revenue - is the same whether you host a Test or not. Northants get it. Leicestershire get it. Somerset get it. And they never host Tests.
If you choose to apply to host a Test, you pay the ECB a fee according to the opponent. And your only sources of additional revenue - compared with if you didn’t host the match - are ticket sales and hospitality sales.
This is not rocket science!
The problem is, the ECB charges counties as much for an India Test as an Australia Test. And while THEY - the ECB - get lots of TV money for hosting India, the First Test has shown that in terms of ticket sales and hospitality sales a tour by India looks a lot more like a tour by Pakistan than a tour by Australia.
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So now you accept that all counties receive money from the ECB.
So when ECB gets higher revenue this year due to Indian team touring, counties will get more money as well. Is this rocket science?
The first test showed that 76000 tickets were sold in 4 days out a total available 23500 tickets. Thats a 80% occupancy plus the tickets were priced at double of what it was priced for a pakistan test. So the county made a lot more in revenue than a Pakistan match.
Lords and Oval are already sold out. So your theory has no basis.
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Firstly, Warwickshire County Cricket Club - who hosted this Test - have confirmed that ticket prices were not raised higher than for Pakistan at all. That was a nonsense claim by a man called Gulfraz Riaz.
But the same article showed that:
Day 1 sales were 18,159 in a low capacity (25,000) ground.
Day 2 sales were 16,754.
Day 3 was higher but unpublished.
Day 4 was the lowest of the lot - in spite of discounted admission.
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/03/india-ticket-prices-first-test-england-edgbaston
Feel free to compare with Pakistan though........
https://www.lords.org/news/2016-2/july/lords-attracts-113/
https://www.lords.org/news/2016-2/july/100000-due-for-first-four-days-of-pakistan-test/
It's a funny thing. Private Indian TV boards pay big money for the rights to India's overseas Test series.
But the grounds overseas don't find India to be a particularly lucrative team to host. Gate receipts and hospitality sales are remarkably similar for Tests to when Pakistan visit.
Let's be frank here. For most of the last 12 years India has had a better Test team than Pakistan, but not by much.
But India really struggle on overseas tours - they lost their last two series in England whereas Pakistan drew their last 2 series there.
And India cause this themselves: when Pakistan turn up early and work hard for weeks to acclimatize - like their 2016 and 2018 tours of England - they do well.
But India turn up at the last minute, then lose the Test series because they went in underprepared.
I think crowds outside Asia tend to underestimate the quality of India's players, not least because they don't play T20 leagues outside India.
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One of [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] better threads, lots of interesting points about the ECB revenue system. Shame about the reading comprehension fails though 
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Any proper source for this?
Have some shame. Comparing attendance at Lords to attendance at Edgbaston. Who are you trying to fool here?
The Lords test for India is sold out.
For the Pakistan test at Edgbaston in 2016 there were 1000s of empty seats.
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....t-Edgbaston-T20-Sport-News-Lords-The-Oval/amp
[MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] go through the attendance for pak tests.
Its funny when you keep lying despite being caught. The ECB finds India and Australia as the biggest money spinners. Thats the opinion that counts and not your lies.
Thats determined by the rankings and not your opinion.
Your thinking doesnot reflect the facts. The IPL has more top class foreign players than any other league and is telecasted worldwide. Heck its so popular that Supersport of SA was paying more for IPL rights than it was ready to pay for CSA's own league.
Fortunately for us, BCCI and IPL pays our players so much that they dont have to go anywhere to earn money.
I know it hurts you to see the success of a Indian league but thats the way it is.
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Off topic but England football manager Gareth Southgate was at the stadium in Edgbaston leading Barmy Army. They were very vocal. Normally you dont see Barmy Army's in 2 test series that Eng plays in May which England uses as a practice series but they all comes in huge numbers for the main series.
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Totally agree with you.
These arguments are getting a bit tiring. Anyone with a bit of common sense understands that the future of cricket is India, or more specifically maybe the IPL. Those who argue otherwise are wilfully blind, and it gets a bit futile engaging those with such a mentality.
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Dont expect crowds to get any better for last 3 tests either, who wants to see one sided beat downs against such a feeble india side.
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I can’t say there’s a part of me that feel happy given, that Pakistan deranged at three test match series th summer
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India vs England: More than 50 percent decline in cricket viewership owing to India’s poor run
According to the latest Broadcast Audience Research Council (BARC) rating for week 32 of 2018 (Aug 4 – 10), there has been a sharp decline in the viewership of India vs England Test series, with Sony Ten 3, part of the the official boracater SPN Network, seeing a dip in viewership.
As per insidesports, Sony Ten 3 in the number one position registered 61,771,000 gross impressions in the said week as against 129,430,000 the previous week.
The report further adds, that even though the fifth-day action from the the 1st Test of series the Edgbaston remained the most-watched sports genre programme, the highlights of the India-Pakistan match from the 2014 World Cup on Star Sports 1 were watched more than day one of the Lord’s Test.
Virat Kohli’s Indian team, were just smashed by an innings and 159 runs in the third shortest Test match on English soul, is chasing the series at Trent Bridge before they lost a close contest at Edgbaston by 31 runs.
http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...et-viewership-owing-to-indias-poor-run-737140
According to the latest Broadcast Audience Research Council (BARC) rating for week 32 of 2018 (Aug 4 – 10), there has been a sharp decline in the viewership of India vs England Test series, with Sony Ten 3, part of the the official boracater SPN Network, seeing a dip in viewership.
As per insidesports, Sony Ten 3 in the number one position registered 61,771,000 gross impressions in the said week as against 129,430,000 the previous week.
The report further adds, that even though the fifth-day action from the the 1st Test of series the Edgbaston remained the most-watched sports genre programme, the highlights of the India-Pakistan match from the 2014 World Cup on Star Sports 1 were watched more than day one of the Lord’s Test.
Virat Kohli’s Indian team, were just smashed by an innings and 159 runs in the third shortest Test match on English soul, is chasing the series at Trent Bridge before they lost a close contest at Edgbaston by 31 runs.
http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...et-viewership-owing-to-indias-poor-run-737140
Quite right. As it is these guys are not really here to engage in any constructive debate. Someone who stoutly believes that BCCI is dependent on ICC for $$$ is not worth your time.
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