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The public's patience is running short with India's Doklam transgression. Nothing can stand in the way of China's and Chinese people's dignity. No government in the world can stand still doing nothing while its borders are being violated.

As India continues down this intransigent path, perhaps it is time that it be taught a second lesson. Their troops in Doklam could either withdraw voluntarily, be captured or may be killed when border disputes escalate, Liu Youfa, China's former consul general in Mumbai, made the above comments in an appearance on CGTN.

As always, India's logic of reasoning on this matter is as feeble as its troops on the ground. India's position is that Doklam is territory in dispute between China and Bhutan, and it has been invited there by Bhutan, its protectorate state. Furthermore, it claims China's road construction in Doklam poses a strategic threat to the "chicken's neck," referring to the 27-kilometer-wide Siliguri Corridor to the south of Doklam that connects the northeastern part of India with the rest of the country.

Chicken's neck or giraffe's neck, who cares? Why would a peaceful China care about the road condition in another country when its only purpose is to improve its own road conditions?

This road in Doklam has been there for at least a decade under firm Chinese administration, and this time China is merely trying to do some asphalt patching work in order to facilitate better logistics support to its border posts. That a public infrastructure project in one country can be viewed as a strategic threat to another, and worse yet be used as an excuse warranting an invasion, is unprecedented in recent human history.

But the Indians have misunderstood their audience. China is no Sikkim or Bhutan, where India's hegemonic tactics have worked. We wouldn't have the patience to listen to that kind of wanton robber logic.

No matter what vassalage relationship India maintains with Bhutan, it baffles this author that India has the courage to transgress another country on its behalf. And in this case, Indian troops even entered into Doklam from the China-Sikkim border. Well, if this kind of logic holds, a third country can certainly enter into Kashmir, including India-controlled Kashmir, upon Pakistan's invitation. (This is not a far-fetched idea.)

Now let's also bear in mind that India has a history of harboring the Dalai Lama in Dharamsala as a strategic counter-China ploy. Underneath the Dalai Lama's façade of peace, there lies a trace of violence at least half a century old. Immediately after he fled to India in 1959, the Dalai Lama became the CIA's henchman in engaging in a terrorist guerrilla war on China.

In more recent years, the Tibetan Youth Congress, the armed wing of the Dalai Lama's regime, instigated several violent riots and is responsible for several terrorist bombings in China. In a way, India is actively harboring terrorism against the Chinese.

To such an unruly neighbor, China should reciprocate in a language that India can understand. The famous or infamous India bravado is never backed up by substance in its history with China. If memory is short on the Indian side, perhaps there should be a second lesson. China is embarking on a historic mission to be a peaceful, prosperous and powerful nation as it has been in history. It can't afford to be constantly distracted by border skirmishes with India.

The author is a professor at the University of International Business and Economics. johngong@gmail.com

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1057817.shtml
 
The media in both countries is crapola.

Constant fear mongering while the head honchos in both countries are sipping tea and laughing at them.

Nothing will happen. There is not enough enmity between India and China for a hot war, and neither want their economies to tank by undertaking such a pointless expedition.
 
The media in both countries is crapola.

Constant fear mongering while the head honchos in both countries are sipping tea and laughing at them.

Nothing will happen. There is not enough enmity between India and China for a hot war, and neither want their economies to tank by undertaking such a pointless expedition.

Nukes means nothing will happen.
 
:))) :))) :))) @ the comments in that article

While it's common knowledge that Indians are everywhere online defending the country for reasons best known to them (us), you'd think that if one country could outnumber us in this regard, it would be the Chinese.

Apparently not. Probably a function of lack of English skills among other things.
 
While it's common knowledge that Indians are everywhere online defending the country for reasons best known to them (us), you'd think that if one country could outnumber us in this regard, it would be the Chinese.

Apparently not. Probably a function of lack of English skills among other things.

lack of free press would be my bet
 
The media in both countries is crapola.

Constant fear mongering while the head honchos in both countries are sipping tea and laughing at them.

Nothing will happen. There is not enough enmity between India and China for a hot war, and neither want their economies to tank by undertaking such a pointless expedition.

the media in China is technically mouthpiece of the government
 
In every school playground there is a bully and then comes along a bigger bully. The Chinese would woop Ind in any conflict.
 
Kuch toh socha hi hoga india ne bhi panga lene se pehle...warna himmat chahiye bhutan me jake china ko rokne ki....lets see how it goes...

India has strategic and geographical advantage.

Remember that India only shares land boundary with Tibet.

Google a few things and you will know why this will be a stalemate for China.
 
China told India on Monday that the road was being built on its sovereign territory and warned Indian not to "push your luck. "
 
In any China-Hind war China would run all over Hind. It won't even be close although it will effect more then just these two countries.
 
The public's patience is running short with India's Doklam transgression. Nothing can stand in the way of China's and Chinese people's dignity. No government in the world can stand still doing nothing while its borders are being violated.

As India continues down this intransigent path, perhaps it is time that it be taught a second lesson. Their troops in Doklam could either withdraw voluntarily, be captured or may be killed when border disputes escalate, Liu Youfa, China's former consul general in Mumbai, made the above comments in an appearance on CGTN.

As always, India's logic of reasoning on this matter is as feeble as its troops on the ground. India's position is that Doklam is territory in dispute between China and Bhutan, and it has been invited there by Bhutan, its protectorate state. Furthermore, it claims China's road construction in Doklam poses a strategic threat to the "chicken's neck," referring to the 27-kilometer-wide Siliguri Corridor to the south of Doklam that connects the northeastern part of India with the rest of the country.

Chicken's neck or giraffe's neck, who cares? Why would a peaceful China care about the road condition in another country when its only purpose is to improve its own road conditions?

This road in Doklam has been there for at least a decade under firm Chinese administration, and this time China is merely trying to do some asphalt patching work in order to facilitate better logistics support to its border posts. That a public infrastructure project in one country can be viewed as a strategic threat to another, and worse yet be used as an excuse warranting an invasion, is unprecedented in recent human history.

But the Indians have misunderstood their audience. China is no Sikkim or Bhutan, where India's hegemonic tactics have worked. We wouldn't have the patience to listen to that kind of wanton robber logic.

No matter what vassalage relationship India maintains with Bhutan, it baffles this author that India has the courage to transgress another country on its behalf. And in this case, Indian troops even entered into Doklam from the China-Sikkim border. Well, if this kind of logic holds, a third country can certainly enter into Kashmir, including India-controlled Kashmir, upon Pakistan's invitation. (This is not a far-fetched idea.)

Now let's also bear in mind that India has a history of harboring the Dalai Lama in Dharamsala as a strategic counter-China ploy. Underneath the Dalai Lama's façade of peace, there lies a trace of violence at least half a century old. Immediately after he fled to India in 1959, the Dalai Lama became the CIA's henchman in engaging in a terrorist guerrilla war on China.

In more recent years, the Tibetan Youth Congress, the armed wing of the Dalai Lama's regime, instigated several violent riots and is responsible for several terrorist bombings in China. In a way, India is actively harboring terrorism against the Chinese.

To such an unruly neighbor, China should reciprocate in a language that India can understand. The famous or infamous India bravado is never backed up by substance in its history with China. If memory is short on the Indian side, perhaps there should be a second lesson. China is embarking on a historic mission to be a peaceful, prosperous and powerful nation as it has been in history. It can't afford to be constantly distracted by border skirmishes with India.

The author is a professor at the University of International Business and Economics. johngong@gmail.com

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1057817.shtml

Looks like chini forgot, that after 1962,1967, happened ,I'd say bring it u want war, go for it, the sons of soil are more than capable of defending it's country
 
In any China-Hind war China would run all over Hind. It won't even be close although it will effect more then just these two countries.

China will not run over India. They might win eventually after a bloody war. But not before setting themselves back several decades in terms of progress and economic development. Basically China will be bankrupt by the end of the war. It will be like a fight between Jupiter and Saturn. Both will be losers in the end.

Chinese are not stupid. They will pose, issue threats and try to intimidate. That's all.
 
While there is a border stalemate going on....India begins to tighten screws on China.....first to be impacted is photo voltaic cell industry. Anti dumping inquiry against Chinese companies.....photo voltaic cell industry grew 4 times in last 3 years in India.

Way to go.....
 
Narendra Modi invites Mongolia's new president Khaltmaa Battulga: India just sent a message to China
26 2017 15:19:19 IST



Prime Minister Narendra Modi has invited Mongolia's new president Khaltmaa Battulga to visit India, a diplomatic move that may have significant effect on international relations in South Asia.

After all, when you invite a person who fought and won the Mongolian presidential election on a populist, anti-China platform, and that too at a time when a heated standoff between New Delhi and Beijing continues along the border in the Sikkim sector, heads are bound to turn.


Modi, himself, had visited Ulaanbaatar — the capital of Mongolia — in 2015. India had, at that time, extended a line of credit of $1 billion to Mongolia. After Modi's invitation, the then President Pranab Mukherjee also sent a message to Battulga, saying both India and Mongolia believed in democracy, according to The Economic Times.

This India-Mongolia bonhomie has now found hope for even better ties with Battluga's victory.

To understand Battluga's anti-China views, which in fact helped him win the presidential election, it is important to note that China purchases 80 percent of Mongolian exports, according to AFP.

Mongolia's economy grew by a measly one percent last year, a stark contrast from an impressive 17 percent in 2011. It has been hit hard by a more than 50 percent fall in the price of copper, its main export, over the past five years, while slowing growth in its biggest customer China has hobbled the economy.

Given the slow growth, anti-China sentiment has been growing in Mongolia and people want to reduce the country's dependence on China, something which was advocated by Battluga, said the report in The Economic Times.

In fact, Battluga will inherit a $5.5 billion International Monetary Fund-led bailout designed to stabilise its economy and lessen its dependency on China. An incident which also worsened the ties between China and Mongolia was when the Buddhist-majority Mongolia had invited Tibetan spiritual leader Dalai Lama to visit the country in November 2016.

An angry China had reportedly closed an important border with Mongolia after Dalai Lama's visit, resulting in many Mongolian truck drivers, who were left stranded at the border, according to News18. Eventually, Mongolia gave in to pressure from China and promised never to invite the Dalai Lama again.

China views the Dalai Lama as a separatist seeking to split Tibet from China and strongly opposes all countries from hosting the monk, who has been based in India since fleeing Tibet during an abortive uprising against Chinese rule in 1959.

Now that Battluga has come to power in Mongolia, India has sensed an opportunity.
Perhaps J Mohan Malik, professor at the Asia-Pacific Centre for Security Studies in Honolulu, described it best when he told The Times of India: "President Battulga’s victory provides an opportunity for strengthening bilateral ties which are now part of the broader spectrum of the Sino-Indian geopolitical rivalry for the support of small and middle powers."

http://www.firstpost.com/india/nare...dia-just-sent-a-message-to-china-3857241.html


Best Leader India has ever had, this guy knows how to play.....
 
Mongolia is such a small population - just like 3 million people.

To compare - we can house everybody in Bandra, Mumbai. Or Indiranagar, Bangalore.
 
Indo-China trade is in favor of China by whooping 50 Billion Dollars. They don't need a war.
 
If only wars were decided by wishes of Pakistanis.

We see India is crap scared of China that is all over the media and other such sources. I think Doval is visiting China soon in apologetic mood before China loses it's patience. Dragon will eat India alive!
 
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We see India is crap scared of China that is all over the media and other such sources. I think Doval is visiting China soon in apologetic mood before China loses it's patience. Dragon will eat India alive!

If only the world worked according to your wishes.It doesnt.

Doval is going to Beijing for BRICS meeting.You know what BRICS is?
 
China can never afford a head-to-head war with India out of fear for USA involvement.
 
While it's common knowledge that Indians are everywhere online defending the country for reasons best known to them (us), you'd think that if one country could outnumber us in this regard, it would be the Chinese.

Apparently not. Probably a function of lack of English skills among other things.

Or maybe they have better things to do and understand that they don't need to spread propaganda online to win any war against India.
 
If only the world worked according to your wishes.It doesnt.

Doval is going to Beijing for BRICS meeting.You know what BRICS is?

In reality BRICS just happens to be what is the official line. In reality he is going to beg the Chinese to take it easy on India. Do you know what CPEC is? It is not about wishes but facts. You don't stand a chance against China in any conflict.
 
In reality BRICS just happens to be what is the official line. In reality he is going to beg the Chinese to take it easy on India. Do you know what CPEC is? It is not about wishes but facts. You don't stand a chance against China in any conflict.

you are quite funny kid. if india were afraid then india wudnt have gone to bhutan to stop china over there. this was not even indian territory , but still india have enough guts to stop them and india havnt backed off even an inch, despite all the warnings by china.
So where is india afraid ?
 
lol how does a country as severely poor as India lend a billion dollars to Mongolia?!

India is a Super Power Yaar, you simply have no idea how much influence they wield around the World with donations.

All the money that could be used to improve the standard of it's own citizens and build necessities like Toilets is being diverted to win allies.
 
lol how does a country as severely poor as India lend a billion dollars to Mongolia?!


Little correction needed, india is the third largest economy in the world. india is not poor,but her people are poor though there is steep decline in poverty in recent decade and the predictions are also very good for future. .
 
Little correction needed, india is the third largest economy in the world. india is not poor,but her people are poor though there is steep decline in poverty in recent decade and the predictions are also very good for future. .

You know their is more poverty in India than entire Africa combined.

Indian Economy / Population = Poverty
 
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Little correction needed, india is the third largest economy in the world. india is not poor,but her people are poor though there is steep decline in poverty in recent decade and the predictions are also very good for future. .

So what you're saying is that the Indian government is rich but doesn't care about its people and would rather hand out that money to other countries to try to impress them lol. That's kinda like how some people break the bank to impress their 'friends' even when they're broke. :))
 
So what you're saying is that the Indian government is rich but doesn't care about its people and would rather hand out that money to other countries to try to impress them lol. That's kinda like how some people break the bank to impress their 'friends' even when they're broke. :))

Yapp they didnt care much, but hopefully as this govt have shown some signs towards caring for people, so they will finally end some corruption , and implement policies that wud help people insha allah.....
But i hope they dnt go away extremist way....or only hindutva mission , which even if they do, they wont succeed ,but it will divert the direction, which we didnt vote them for.
 
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Guys have had to delete a few posts in the thread. Keep discussion clean and related to OP. No need to insult people or countries.
 
China is trying to bully India but unfortunately for them, India knows China can't afford a war. Even if they do India is quite confident of it's military resources to defend its line. On paper we may not have the military or weapons to match China but then again, we aren't expansionist, our defence is built with a view to defend our borders.

Also China with its mammoth debts can ill afford a war even if short. It could just be the bomb that triggers their impending economic collapse. Also there is growing resentment towards Chinese goods in India, with the trade surplus of over $50bn in their favour China would just push India to make the tough call of banning Chinese goods and looking at home or other cheaper alternatives.

So while China maybe this new and all powerful Supahpowah they need to understand that they don't own the whole world just yet and perhaps this is a lesson for them than for India.
 
US admiral would ‘nuke China next week’ if Trump ordered it

The US Pacific Fleet commander said on Thursday he would launch a nuclear strike against China next week if President Donald Trump ordered it, and warned against the military ever shifting its allegiance from its commander in chief.

Admiral Scott Swift was responding to a hypothetical question at an Australian National University security conference following a major joint US- Australian military exercise off the Australian coast. The drills were monitored by a Chinese intelligence-gathering ship off northeast Australia.
Asked by an academic in the audience whether he would make a nuclear attack on China next week if Trump ordered it, Swift replied: “The answer would be: yes.”
“Every member of the US military has sworn an oath to defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic and to obey the officers and the president of the United States as commander and chief appointed over us,” Swift said.

“This is core to the American democracy and any time you have a military that is moving away from a focus and an allegiance to civilian control, then we really have a significant problem,” he added.
Pacific Fleet spokesman Captain Charlie Brown later said Swift’s answer reaffirmed the principle of civilian control over the military.
“The admiral was not addressing the premise of the question, he was addressing the principle of civilian authority of the military,” Brown said. “The premise of the question was ridiculous.”
The biennial Talisman Saber exercise involved 36 warships including the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan, 220 aircraft and 33,000 military personnel.
It was monitored by a Chinese People’s Liberation Army-Navy Type 815 Dongdiao-class auxiliary general intelligence vessel from within Australia’s 200-mile exclusive economic zone.

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/unit...s-admiral-would-nuke-china-next-week-if-trump
 
So while China maybe this new and all powerful Supahpowah they need to understand that they don't own the whole world just yet and perhaps this is a lesson for them than for India.

China is all bark no bite,, they know India is not Taiwan or Vietnam so they have no choice but to face embarrassment by backing out as they simply have more to lose than India if a war did break out such as: their huge debt, One Belt One Road policy, CPEC, everything about the whole god damn China would come crashing down...
 
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In reality BRICS just happens to be what is the official line. In reality he is going to beg the Chinese to take it easy on India. Do you know what CPEC is? It is not about wishes but facts. You don't stand a chance against China in any conflict.

BRICS meeting are fixed long time ago.You can view the entire calendar of BRICS event for 2017.So i can only laugh at your logic.

What has CPEC got to do here?India china annual trade is more than that.Indian annual defence budget is close to that.CPEC has no significance for India.

India China conflict wont be decided according to your wishes.
 
China is all bark no bite,, they know India is not Taiwan or Vietnam so they have no choice but to face embarrassment by backing out as they simply have more to lose than India if a war did break out such as: their huge debt, One Belt One Road policy, CPEC, everything about the whole god damn China would come crashing down...

China is massively frustrated by Indias refusal to join OBOR.If i am not wrong EU has raised objections againist OBOR.Most G 20 nations are not part of it and OBOR in south Asia will face lot of difficulties because it cannot be used to access the biggest market of the region.
 
China is massively frustrated by Indias refusal to join OBOR.If i am not wrong EU has raised objections againist OBOR.Most G 20 nations are not part of it and OBOR in south Asia will face lot of difficulties because it cannot be used to access the biggest market of the region.

Without India OBOR will not be successful, right now India holds all the cards, if China wants war well India is up for it, and US,Japan,Nato will all chip in, so China loses in every way... If China wants India to join OBOR, better start listening to India and show action, playing these stupid childish games like veto-ing the ban of a camel jockey terrorist like Ahzar who brings ZERO to China and blocking India's entry into the NSG will only make life harder for China....
 
BRICS meeting are fixed long time ago.You can view the entire calendar of BRICS event for 2017.So i can only laugh at your logic.

What has CPEC got to do here?
India china annual trade is more than that.Indian annual defence budget is close to that.CPEC has no significance for India.

India China conflict wont be decided according to your wishes.

:)) I swear, these days some of these people just randomly throw CPEC in any argument about India-Pak issue. Funny thing is, this isn't even an Indo-Pak issue but a China-Pak India. Oh maan :)))
 
China is all bark no bite,, they know India is not Taiwan or Vietnam so they have no choice but to face embarrassment by backing out as they simply have more to lose than India if a war did break out such as: their huge debt, One Belt One Road policy, CPEC, everything about the whole god damn China would come crashing down...

It is very interesting scenario tbh.

If India sticks to its guns, two things can happen.

a) China takes the high-road, stops road construction and India-China holds talk about how to resolve this issue. - Problem with such a step is, It will show the world that China can be arm-twisted with a prospect of war and they have border issues with many countries. So this is something they can't afford.

b) If China decides to get consumed by its ego and delusion, they would try and give India a repeat of 1962, the only difference is this time they will take losses they never have in the past and also face the flak of entire world. They also risk India forming a military alliance with nations that are aggrieved by China in SCS and other border disputes.

c) China decides to wait it out. While it may not be a direct loss of face for China, India will have achieved its objective of halting China's road construction in Bhutan's territory.

India just has to sit and wait. I am loving how Indian govt. isn't getting sucked into the rhetoric from Chinese media/foreign ministry and going about it's business as if nothing happened.
 
BRICS meeting are fixed long time ago.You can view the entire calendar of BRICS event for 2017.So i can only laugh at your logic.

What has CPEC got to do here?India china annual trade is more than that.Indian annual defence budget is close to that.CPEC has no significance for India.

India China conflict wont be decided according to your wishes.

Pak has nothing to do with BRICS so why should we care!? Look, India is crap scared of China and everyone knows it! I mentioned CPEC because you did BRICS, simple. It is a coincidence that the BRICS thing is happening, in reality Doval is going to China to plead them for mercy!!:hafeez2 As for CPEC India is concerned about it but helpless to do anything at all. You are right, any India-China conflict will be decided by China not Pakistan!
 
...Listening to Indians talk about how they'll smack China into oblivion is hilarious. They're a chihuahua in comparison to the dragon. I sincerely hope India keeps on antagonising China, we'll all be in hysterics when they run to America like a headless chicken; after China pounds then like a boss.
 
...Listening to Indians talk about how they'll smack China into oblivion is hilarious. They're a chihuahua in comparison to the dragon. I sincerely hope India keeps on antagonising China, we'll all be in hysterics when they run to America like a headless chicken; after China pounds then like a boss.

No Indian poster said India will smack china. What we are saying is If China indeed attacks India over the Bhutan issue, they will suffer heavy losses too. It's a battle that both countries cannot afford. China will win if it is an all out war. But the loses will be too much and China will not commit to full scale war.

China has many bigger fish to fry. Bhutan issue is nothing for them.
 
Pak has nothing to do with BRICS so why should we care!? Look, India is crap scared of China and everyone knows it! I mentioned CPEC because you did BRICS, simple. It is a coincidence that the BRICS thing is happening, in reality Doval is going to China to plead them for mercy!!:hafeez2 As for CPEC India is concerned about it but helpless to do anything at all. You are right, any India-China conflict will be decided by China not Pakistan!

Pak has nothing to do with Doklam also.Why discuss it?LOL.

Look India is not a small nation neither is it dependent on Chinese money so your saying India scared mean nothing.India is holding its ground and protecting Bhutan.

BRICS was mentioned as you wrongly claimed that Doval is going to China for Doklam issue where as he is going for A BRICS meet.

India doesnt need to plead for mercy from anyone.What delusions lol!!!

CPEC passes through POK and that is Indias only concern.China is desperate for India to join OBOR as without the Indian market this investment in south asia may not be profitable.
 
Pak has nothing to do with Doklam also.Why discuss it?LOL.

Look India is not a small nation neither is it dependent on Chinese money so your saying India scared mean nothing.India is holding its ground and protecting Bhutan.

BRICS was mentioned as you wrongly claimed that Doval is going to China for Doklam issue where as he is going for A BRICS meet.

India doesnt need to plead for mercy from anyone.What delusions lol!!!

CPEC passes through POK and that is Indias only concern.China is desperate for India to join OBOR as without the Indian market this investment in south asia may not be profitable.

No one is discussing Doklam but just saying that China would whoop you! Yes Doval is going to China to beg for mercy, you will eventually back off obeying what China tells you. You are and always will be a kid in front of China. There is no such thing as POK as far as we are concerned so cry all you want. We only recognise IoK and so do the Kashmiri people. The land India and China are fighting for belongs to China, Pak supports the Chinese stand.
 
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