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The inevitable question - needs to be asked based upon his last few performances.

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May as well give him the next game with Junaid injured, needs to turn it around quickly though
 
No the bowling coach needs to fill him with confidence and remind him that when he came initially, he attached the top of off stumps more and now he doesn't. It's very simple honestly for any fast bowler, hit the top of the stumps and search for that length and batsman will struggle
 
I think he got lucky Junaid Khan got injured warna he could have even been dropped today! He needs to start performing because you can't be guaranteed a spot in the XI just because of your name
 
Time to change our bowling coach.

Every fast bowler is struggling.

Coach himself wasn't a decent bowler.
 
Hawkeye said:
Time to change our bowling coach.

Every fast bowler is struggling.

Coach himself wasn't a decent bowler.
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A very thick logic and you do that quite often here.

First of all, Azhar was a decent bowler and could bowl economically. He was a useful alrounder which
Was his job. Besides, where is a rquirement for a coach to be a good player himself? As far as I know, most coaches have been below par players in their lives majority of the time in ALL sports.

Coming back to the subject, It is Hassan's confidence hurting in the worst part of the cricket world. He is trying too many tricks instead of keeping it simpler. I am sure he will regain confidence and will be a much better bowler in SA.
 
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Hawkeye said:
Time to change our bowling coach.

Every fast bowler is struggling.

Coach himself wasn't a decent bowler.
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This. The bowling coach needs to held accountable. What is he getting paid for when all our bowlers are struggling. When the bowling coach himself doesn't know the intricacies of fast bowling, how can he help other bowlers?
 
You could see today after his first wicket his ball was zipping about and did bowl much better. Giving him a rest is the easy way out, he's young and should be played so he can learn and become stronger mentally and physically to the demands of international cricket.
 
No
He'll become a better bowler when once he overcomes this slump in form.
 
Nope. Sure he’s had a string of poor performances. However he is still a vital cog in the pace battery and is vital for the Asia cup. I recon allow him to play the final ODI against NZ. Then go back and prep for SA and the World Cup like Amir.
 
I don't know why he was giving short balls today and was hit with boundaries and next over he showed batman the way to the pavilion with a length bowl yorker.

The key should be He should be persisted with his line and lenght and wickets will fall.
 
CricVet said:
A very thick logic and you do that quite often here.

First of all, Azhar was a decent bowler and could bowl economically. He was a useful alrounder which
Was his job. Besides, where is a rquirement for a coach to be a good player himself? As far as I know, most coaches have been below par players in their lives majority of the time in ALL sports.

Coming back to the subject, It is Hassan's confidence hurting in the worst part of the cricket world. He is trying too many tricks instead of keeping it simpler. I am sure he will regain confidence and will be a much better bowler in SA.
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Nah thick logic is coming from you. He posts sense.

You ignored the essence of his statement completely. The fast bowlers are struggling and with the World Cup coming up we need them in form. A change in a more qualified bowling coach might be the solution.
 
Yes, lessons need to be learn early. He needs to know to be in team one needs to perform on constant basses noone will be given long rope as simple as that.
 
topspin said:
Nah thick logic is coming from you. He posts sense.

You ignored the essence of his statement completely. The fast bowlers are struggling and with the World Cup coming up we need them in form. A change in a more qualified bowling coach might be the solution.
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We should look for a bowling coach who has vast experience of both Pakistani cricket and English conditions. It would also be a bonus if they had helped a low ranked international side win a major trophy within the last 1.5 years.
 
He should be “rested” for a few games not dropped
 
hitthestump said:
We should look for a bowling coach who has vast experience of both Pakistani cricket and English conditions. It would also be a bonus if they had helped a low ranked international side win a major trophy within the last 1.5 years.
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Like football coaches you're only as good as your last game and you have to adapt to the current standards. If Amir, Hasan Ali and co continue to struggle a more qualified coach might bring the best out of them. Azhar may have done wonders in the past but is he doing enough for these pacers to hit their potential?

I don't know if you follow football but Claudio Ranieri led Leicester City to a title against all odds but next season he was a shambles, so the solution was to change managers as he had lost the dressing roomand as a result the team was back in form again. Have you wondered perhaps Azhar has muddled the minds of these bowlers and perhaps they don't agree with his methods?

Not calling for his head but something will have to change if it continues whether it be dropping players, remove Sarfraz as captain or change in coach(es).
 
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Yes. Performances are really poor these days. He's not the same bowler he was in the Champions Trophy. Perhaps too much focus on "looking good"!
 
babajee said:
Will probably rip New Zealand apart next game :)
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LOL... Not happening. He has been found out and 'll go downhill have seen many "cocky stars" like him going down the drain. lets wait n watch
 
Plumb said:
LOL... Not happening. He has been found out and 'll go downhill have seen many "cocky stars" like him going down the drain. lets wait n watch
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There was/is nothing to find out about him, just like Fakhar.
 
babajee said:
There was/is nothing to find out about him, just like Fakhar.
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No disrespect to fakhar but you are saying that fakhar fixed his legside game just because he scored runs?:mv anywho its about Hasan and I still say that fame has got to his head and he is not the same bowler. I hope I am wrong...
 
Plumb said:
No disrespect to fakhar but you are saying that fakhar fixed his legside game just because he scored runs?:mv anywho its about Hasan and I still say that fame has got to his head and he is not the same bowler. I hope I am wrong...
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No I am saying that just because performances of these players have dipped it does not mean they have been "found out" or anything.
 
Hasan's problem is mental. He is still running in hard and bowling fast and very fit to last longer in this format of the game, but success went in to his head and ever since that he has been struggling. When you focus too much on celebrating a wicket and wearing silly things around your neck, then you are going to fail for sure. Cricket is a cruel game and demands too much of mental attention and does not let you take it easy. You must respect this game, otherwise you will be done and dusted very soon.
Should be dropped, just so he can come back to earth.
 
CricVet said:
A very thick logic and you do that quite often here.

First of all, Azhar was a decent bowler and could bowl economically. He was a useful alrounder which
Was his job. Besides, where is a rquirement for a coach to be a good player himself? As far as I know, most coaches have been below par players in their lives majority of the time in ALL sports.

Coming back to the subject, It is Hassan's confidence hurting in the worst part of the cricket world. He is trying too many tricks instead of keeping it simpler. I am sure he will regain confidence and will be a much better bowler in SA.
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Woah, slow down. :sarf When have we interacted before?

Anyway, you have every right to have your own opinion.


goran said:
This. The bowling coach needs to held accountable. What is he getting paid for when all our bowlers are struggling. When the bowling coach himself doesn't know the intricacies of fast bowling, how can he help other bowlers?
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topspin said:
Nah thick logic is coming from you. He posts sense.

You ignored the essence of his statement completely. The fast bowlers are struggling and with the World Cup coming up we need them in form. A change in a more qualified bowling coach might be the solution.
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Thank you. :najam
 
Every player goes through a bad phase. Not so long ago Shadab admitted to the media that he fears batsmen have identified his strength - but he's comeback strong.

Remember Smith in 2010-11 period? He struggled for Australia big time. But they stood by him and gave him the time to settle in. Same method should be applied with Hasan - he's going through a phase. Needs to rest, as he has played ALOT of cricket.

This is also a reality check that Hasan is not as good as PP'ers make out - and for Hasan that he is a cricket player, not celebrity.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
2-59, what's the problem? Not at his best but still picking up wickets.
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Was poor early on, but once he got a wicket he seemed to find his zip again and was getting the ball to tail.

He needs to show more intelligence at the death though; he has a lethal yorker but insists on over-using his slower balls. Tail enders should not be hitting him for six!
 
mak36 said:
Was poor early on, but once he got a wicket he seemed to find his zip again and was getting the ball to tail.

He needs to show more intelligence at the death though; he has a lethal yorker but insists on over-using his slower balls. Tail enders should not be hitting him for six!
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Sodhi has three Test fifties and a very impressive hitting technique. Not a tailender. One of the sixes he hit was on a missed yorker.
 
Well we can either rest him or let him play on till he hits form. Going by Fakhar's scenario I think the team management are going to persist with him till he finds form again. There may be a dozen problems with the current team management but they give a very long run to any youngster which they have identified as a future prospect. Babar hasn't been dropped from Tests, Fakhar was persisted with despite a string of failures and now they are showing a lot of confidence in Hassan to come good.
 
mak36 said:
Was poor early on, but once he got a wicket he seemed to find his zip again and was getting the ball to tail.

He needs to show more intelligence at the death though; he has a lethal yorker but insists on over-using his slower balls. Tail enders should not be hitting him for six!
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NZ's tail is capable of smashing pretty much any bowling lineup. They've done it to pretty much every lineup.
 
topspin said:
Nah thick logic is coming from you. He posts sense.

You ignored the essence of his statement completely. The fast bowlers are struggling and with the World Cup coming up we need them in form. A change in a more qualified bowling coach might be the solution.
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LOL. Before advocating, add some sense. A coach can only do so much. EVERY player goes thru ups and downs. Who was the bowling coach when he performed so well previously. Use your head instead of being Jazbati kind. You I guess like to blame a teacher for failed students?
 
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Spoke with Umar Gul about Hassan Ali and he feels things aren't as bad as some are suggesting. However he feels that Hassan needs to come up with a few new tricks now that teams know what he is about.
 
Saj said:
Spoke with Umar Gul about Hassan Ali and he feels things aren't as bad as some are suggesting. However he feels that Hassan needs to come up with a few new tricks now that teams know what he is about.
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Batsmen have been able to read his variations. There is no surprise element anymore. He seems to be erring in length a bit too
 
The first thing he needs to do is get rid of that stupid celebration, learn to bowl a good leg cutter or outswinger when the ball is still a bit new.. his incutter is good but he needs to take them away feom right handers as well.. and a few slow ball variations like someone else pointed out..
 
we have enough fast bowlers in reserve to rotate and rest, not necessarily drop. Pakistans problem in the past has been persisting too long with players who aren't performing and giving them a sense of false confidence. Competition for places is a good thing and should be utilized to motivate and pressure players to perform better.
 
Been brilliant so far - shutting up a few haters on the way. Hope everyone is learning from this (including me!)
 
Has bowled beautifully. Getting the ball to reverse and has used the bouncer well. Looks fired up maybe as a result of the criticism he was getting after a recent dip in form in ODIs.
 
This forum has no patience. He was always going to have a dip after a stellar 2017. Seems to have come through that now. Should start in South Africa.
 
So now who wants to blame the poor coaching?
Instead of hating individuals for the wrong reason, focus should be on overall performance of the person. Azhar coaching has achieved far more than many individuals in the past.
 
CricVet said:
So now who wants to blame the poor coaching?
Instead of hating individuals for the wrong reason, focus should be on overall performance of the person. Azhar coaching has achieved far more than many individuals in the past.
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He's been just superb after an indifferent first spell. Put a lie to the idea that one needed Wahab Riaz for reverse swing in the UAE. Both Abbas and Hasan reversing it at will. Riaz is barely a bowler compared to them.
 
New Yorker said:
He's been just superb after an indifferent first spell. Put a lie to the idea that one needed Wahab Riaz for reverse swing in the UAE. Both Abbas and Hasan reversing it at will. Riaz is barely a bowler compared to them.
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People just wait for ONE failure to point finger and try to rationalize their ignorance. If not a bowler, they will find a coach to blame.

Wahab will go down as an AIMLESS hard-working individual for Pak cricket. The guy lacked plan to setup a bat. He was gifted with pace but never knew how to utilize it. Bowling short was his idea I guess to get a bat out which only worked on rear occasions on helpful wickets.
 
Tests will be his best format stick
With him he is the ideal 3rd seamer to back up Abbas and a left armer Amir/Shaheen
 
Hassan is an attacking fast bowler and should be used as such in ODIs. Should bowl with the new ball and than complete his quota of 10 overs until 44th over. No point wasting him during death overs.
 
Over last few months, I see most fans here are busy to curse PAK bowlers - Amir can't take wicket, Hasan is too loose, Yasir is fat, Bilal is useless........ had this guy Abbas not won couple of series, by now he would have been tundler as well.

But, everyone is missing the big elephant in the room - PAK is carrying few fossil as batsmen and it's the bowlers that have kept them some what at decent level. T20 is a game where blowers dominate and you don't need proper batsmen to put a total over 20 overs course - hence bowlers have lifted team to rank 1....
 
CricVet said:
People just wait for ONE failure to point finger and try to rationalize their ignorance. If not a bowler, they will find a coach to blame.

Wahab will go down as an AIMLESS hard-working individual for Pak cricket. The guy lacked plan to setup a bat. He was gifted with pace but never knew how to utilize it. Bowling short was his idea I guess to get a bat out which only worked on rear occasions on helpful wickets.
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I don't think that's true. Actually apart from Wahab's debut at The Oval, he never delivered on helpful wickets.
 
I had reservations about Hasan Ali for UAE tests but he has proven a lot of people wrong including me. His late inswingers have been beautiful to watch. Hopefully he can get some more wickets and help Pakistan have a small total to chase.
 
Xoib said:
Tests will be his best format stick
With him he is the ideal 3rd seamer to back up Abbas and a left armer Amir/Shaheen
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Agree, he’s a really good first change, his pace is up too.

Abbas, Shaheen, Hassan would be terrific for SA - I know Shaheen’s young, but if he gets at least one test against NZ, don’t see him letting anyone down. His height along with his ability is such an asset.
 
Kaka4pope said:
Agree, he’s a really good first change, his pace is up too.

Abbas, Shaheen, Hassan would be terrific for SA - I know Shaheen’s young, but if he gets at least one test against NZ, don’t see him letting anyone down. His height along with his ability is such an asset.
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Yeah I don't know why the excuse of inexperience comes up for Shaheen, you build experience by playing not watching.

Look at Rabada. He was fast tracked from U19 squad and is now vital in all 3 formats for SA.
 
At this point, I will second Abbas, Hasan and Afridi for Sa tour. We need guys who can bowl sides out. Amir isn’t going todo that.
 
Amir is as capable as any if he goes back to the basics. He no longer attack stumps and I hardly see him bowl yorkers. Once he starts bowling closer from the stumps again, he will be the best we have - better than Abbas even.
 
I think he has been superb in this match against New Zealand.

Good speed, control, reversed it and troubled the batsmen.

Most importantly he has thought about his bowling.
 
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He bowled beautifully throughout the test. His pace was good throughout and bowled tight. It's between him and Yasir for the MOM award.
 
The way he hugged Azhar Mahmood shows how much this meant to him. Good to see
 
Azhar has a good cricketing brain. He is well respected in England for a reason.
 
Bowling with the new ball is what got Hasan to the national team as he was phenomenal for the Peshawar Zalmi's. But for some reason he does't get the new ball anymore.

This match he got the new ball and did his magic. He got pace and swings the ball so should always get a sight of the new ball. Starting with guys like Faheem is a defensive option.
 
Seemed like he was heading in the right direction but been horrible in SA tour
 
See this is the part of Pakistan cricket I don't understand.

This is a 24 year old young bowler who has a Golden Ball trophy, had a superb test series against NZL in the UAE on dead wickets yet gets absolutely obliterated in South Africa.

Why the extremes?
 
MeanAndGreen said:
See this is the part of Pakistan cricket I don't understand.

This is a 24 year old young bowler who has a Golden Ball trophy, had a superb test series against NZL in the UAE on dead wickets yet gets absolutely obliterated in South Africa.

Why the extremes?
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5 wickets in 3 innings so far and people are getting so upset acting like he’s useless. Our fans can’t stick with players through tough times and it is so embarrasing.

On the other hand 28 year old Abbas has 4 wickets in 3 innings and everyone is silent.
 
Hassan is a good third seamer Abbas is the metronome and doing the job well though his fitness is troubling him in this series. The big problem is the attack lease Aamer who never bowls a match winning spell. Both Hassan and Abbas will look better once we have an attack leader in steam of Amir most likely it will be Shaheen but that is already 2 years away.
 
Nope not for test cricket... Yes for ODIs.

Those who wants him in test will realize when we become#8 or 9. :inti
 
MenInG said:
Been brilliant so far - shutting up a few haters on the way. Hope everyone is learning from this (including me!)
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This is the problem with us Pakistanis. Hating and praising and hating again , all in the space of 4 games.
People do have ups and downs
 
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