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Army chief Bipin Rawat on Saturday welcomed government's decision to call off talks with Pakistan and said that it's time to give it back to Pakistan army and terrorists.

"Talks and terrorism can't go hand in hand," said General Bipin Rawat soon after Pakistan prime minister Imran Khan called India's decision "arrogant and negative".

"I think our government's policy has been quite clear and concise. We've made no bones about the fact that talks and terrorism can't go hand in hand. Pakistan needs to curb the menace of terrorism," Rawat told ANI.

He said that India needs to take stern action to avenge the barbarism carried out by terrorists and Pakistan army.

"Yes, it's time to give it back to them in the same coin ... not resorting to similar kind of barbarism. But I think the other side must also feel the same pain," Rawat said.

The Indian government on Friday decided to call off the meeting of foreign ministers of India and Pakistan, which was scheduled in New York on the sidelines of the United Nation's General Assembly (UNGA) next week.

The recent killing of a BSF soldier near the International Border was cited as one of the reasons for cancelling the talks. The body of the soldier was found on September 19 with multiple bullet injuries. His throat had been slit and eyes gouged out, a brutal action possibly committed by Pakistan's Border Action Team (BAT).

Rawat also told the media today that the Army is getting complete cooperation from the government. "We are given freedom on how to carry out our operations. And you can see its effect in Kashmir and Northeast," Army chief said.

Distancing himself from the controversy over Indo-France Rafale deal, Rawat said the Army needs modern weapons. "We continuously need modern weapons. There is a limit till which we can use a particular weapon and as new technologies come, we also want them to be included in our forces," Rawat said.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...ays-army-chief-bipin-rawat-1346624-2018-09-22
 
We are ready for war, but choose to walk path of peace: Pak army

Moments after Times of India reported inflammatory statements by Indian Army Chief General Bipin Rawat on Saturday, the Pakistan Army spokesperson responded by saying: "We [Pakistan Army] are ready for war but choose to walk the path of peace in the interest of the people of Pakistan, the neighbours and the region".

These remarks were made by Director General of Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor while talking to Dunya TV.

According to TOI, the Indian army chief said India "needs to take stern action to avenge the barbarism that the terrorists and Pakistan Army have been carrying out". "Yes, it's time to give it back to them in the same coin, not resorting to similar kind of barbarism. But I think the other side must also feel the same pain," the Indian army chief was quoted as saying.

Gen Rawat's comments came shortly after Prime Minister Imran Khan took to Twitter earlier on Saturday to respond to India's cancellation of the meeting between the Pakistani and Indian foreign ministers on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA), calling New Delhi's reaction "arrogant and negative". "All my life I have come across small men occupying big offices who do not have the vision to see the larger picture," added PM Khan.

Responding to Gen Rawat's statements, Asif Ghafoor said Pakistan has a long-standing record of fighting terrorism, adding "we know the price [that is paid] for peace".

"We have struggled to achieve peace in the last two decades. We can never do anything to disgrace any soldier," he asserted, strongly denying the claims made by India that hold the Pakistan Army responsible for the killing of a Border Security Force (BSF) soldier.

“They have in the past as well laid the blame on us for mutilating the body of a fallen soldier. We are a professional army. We never engage in such acts.

"As far as the issuance of postal tickets is concerned, the UN released a human rights violation report following which the then interim government issued those tickets highlighting the plight of Kashmiris.

"To turn this into an excuse that the peace process has been tainted or that Pakistan has somehow changed its stance, is inappropriate," the ISPR chief said.

“There is a freedom struggle going on in the Indian occupied Kashmir, and Burhan Wani onwards, it is completely a political movement,” Ghafoor said, adding that the struggle for independence has become a part of the DNA of Kashmiris and this is now the third generation which is willing to sacrifice their lives for the cause.

“They [India] should come forward for a dialogue. Whenever attempts for dialogue have failed, it is because India has run away from the table.

"The government of Pakistan’s offer still stands for India to come forward and hold talks with us,” the ISPR chief said.


'Indian govt trying to divert public's attention'

Minister for Information and Broadcasting Fawad Chaudhry also promptly issued a response, backing the DG ISPR's statement. "Pakistan and India are nuclear powers; a war is out of question," he said.

The information minister termed the Indian army chief's statement an attempt to divert the attention of Indian public from the mega corruption scandal and the subsequent calls for resignation faced by PM Modi-led BJP government.

Chaudhry said that the Indian army chief's statement was inappropriate and that the general must refrain from using statements as a political tool.

"The Indian army chief needs to understand that he is not a BJP leader," Chaudhry remarked, adding that "the world stands witness to who wants war and who wants peace".

"As a peace-loving nation, Pakistan desires peace [with India]," he stressed, highlighting the fact that peace will be in the benefit of billions across both nations.

He said that Pakistan had reached out in hopes for peace and will continue its efforts to that end.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1434329/we-are-ready-for-war-but-choose-to-walk-path-of-peace-pak-army
 
Another surgical strike?

Wow, Army of India has came to help Modi to win election by starting Anti-Pakistan and Anti-Muslim.

When will a country with big $$$ bills and big guns stop infatuating over a small country with small $$$ bills and small guns like Pakistan?

Some Indian posters, lol
 
These people have no shame.

Your army is multiple times bigger, more military hardware, more fighter jets, more warships, etc etc but all you do is talk? Their politics is like their movies, deluded, cringe nonsense.
 
Haha. With this many hollow threats all credibility is lost. Unfortunately India is in a downward spiral. They have a criminal as leader.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The bellicose & irresponsible statement by the Indian Army Chief exposes the Indian designs to the world that should immediately take note of New Delhi's threatening posture. Pakistan extending an olive branch to India, should never be misconstrued as weakness.</p>— Shehbaz Sharif (@CMShehbaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMShehbaz/status/1043520096675811329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The bellicose & irresponsible statement by the Indian Army Chief exposes the Indian designs to the world that should immediately take note of New Delhi's threatening posture. Pakistan extending an olive branch to India, should never be misconstrued as weakness.</p>— Shehbaz Sharif (@CMShehbaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMShehbaz/status/1043520096675811329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Did Showbiz get permission from his bro?
 
Well, India has threatened us. Where is our Defense Minister? Last I heard, he was in Nowshera running the election campaign for his family members.

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This is a declaration of war and should be treated as such by the competent authorities in Pak.
 
Another surgical strike?

Wow, Army of India has came to help Modi to win election by starting Anti-Pakistan and Anti-Muslim.

When will a country with big $$$ bills and big guns stop infatuating over a small country with small $$$ bills and small guns like Pakistan?

Some Indian posters, lol

indian army anti muslim ?? well you cant tell me one anti muslim statement from indian army since last 70 plus years. indian army is most professional army and most secular army in universe.
 
All out war is the only solution for all issues between these two countries. Talks will just prolong the status quo.
 
As a statement of revenge and to prove our point, why don't we hang Kulbhushan Yadav? We were told that Nawaz Sharif does not want him to be punished, but he is not there anymore to save him.

Modi and India will come to their senses once our Khalifa announces his death via Twitter.
 
As a statement of revenge and to prove our point, why don't we hang Kulbhushan Yadav? We were told that Nawaz Sharif does not want him to be punished, but he is not there anymore to save him.

Modi and India will come to their senses once our Khalifa announces his death via Twitter.

Who is Khalifa?

I thought he was messiah?

Try to pick a name and stick to it.


Are you again trying to create counterbalance for Indian as Pakistani by asking dumb dumba dumb questions? Or Is it you Mamoon?
 
Who is Khalifa?

I thought he was messiah?

Try to pick a name and stick to it.


Are you again trying to create counterbalance for Indian as Pakistani by asking dumb dumba dumb questions? Or Is it you Mamoon?

He was a messiah but now he is the khalifa after the establishment of the madinah state called Naya Pakistan, where helicopters cost only 50 rupees per kilometer, and the Foreign Minister stands in queue like a common citizen so that the social media team of his party can click his pictures and brush themselves over their austerity.
 
He was a messiah but now he is the khalifa after the establishment of the madinah state called Naya Pakistan, where helicopters cost only 50 rupees per kilometer, and the Foreign Minister stands in queue like a common citizen so that the social media team of his party can click his pictures and brush themselves over their austerity.

cool,

So was this statement made to keep counterbalance as Pakistani in favor of Indian on PP? or is it really you?
 
He was a messiah but now he is the khalifa after the establishment of the madinah state called Naya Pakistan, where helicopters cost only 50 rupees per kilometer, and the Foreign Minister stands in queue like a common citizen so that the social media team of his party can click his pictures and brush themselves over their austerity.

are you really pakistanian? You keep pushing the indian talking points.
 
cool,

So was this statement made to keep counterbalance as Pakistani in favor of Indian on PP? or is it really you?

You misunderstood. The counter-balancing is the real me, but I am forced to be more vocal about it here because of the heavy bias on this forum. If the posters here were balanced, I'd be keeping my views to myself because there would be no need of me attempting to knock sense into other people's heads.
 
India can start a fight if they want. I am not gonna make any cheap threats rather they will see how Pak responds that will absolutely shock them. Question is does India have the spine to start WW3 coz that it what it will be?
 
are you really pakistanian? You keep pushing the indian talking points.

I am a Pakistani who thinks that Pakistan is more at fault in this whole Pakistan vs India business. There is no such thing as "Pakistanian" by the way.
 
I am a Pakistani who thinks that Pakistan is more at fault in this whole Pakistan vs India business. There is no such thing as "Pakistanian" by the way.

it is dude, i hear more and more of my white and black friends saying "pakistanian" - iss the new era.
 
it is dude, i hear more and more of my white and black friends saying "pakistanian" - iss the new era.

It is term coined by a bunch of ignorant Americans. It was actually originated by DC Comics who thought that the language of Pakistan is called Pakistanian and not Urdu.

You are not ignorant like them so perhaps you should refrain from using this word. It does make for a cool username though, but the people of Pakistan are Pakistanis, not Pakistanians.
 
You misunderstood. The counter-balancing is the real me, but I am forced to be more vocal about it here because of the heavy bias on this forum. If the posters here were balanced, I'd be keeping my views to myself because there would be no need of me attempting to knock sense into other people's heads.

You must be genius.

I must say your self righteous approach to help people from across the border is very commendable, if it wasn't for your trolling then people from India would have not been able to put their point across on a Pakistani forum.
 
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It is term coined by a bunch of ignorant Americans. It was actually originated by DC Comics who thought that the language of Pakistan is called Pakistanian and not Urdu.

You are not ignorant like them so perhaps you should refrain from using this word. It does make for a cool username though, but the people of Pakistan are Pakistanis, not Pakistanians.

damn dc comics made that? i thought it was much older.
 
You must be genius.

I must say your self righteous approach to help people from across the border is very commendable, if it wasn't for your trolling then people from India would have not been able to put their point across on a Pakistani forum.

I am actually trying to help my people and not the ones across the border. However, it seems to be a futile exercise because all I gain from my efforts is the accusation that I am Indian.
 
What a joke of statemnet from indian army chief.Pak did well and a sensible reply.
 
I am actually trying to help my people and not the ones across the border. However, it seems to be a futile exercise because all I gain from my efforts is the accusation that I am Indian.

You're too fair & lovely to be an Indian, but the minimum would be to at least condemn the statement of the Indian chief of army staff presented here, no ?

I don't want to give away some spoiler, but when Indians talk of isolating the country (that is, in other words, poisoning its economy)/breaking it/dehydrating it/directly making a war against it; it might be a possibility that your friends/relatives would be directly concerned as well, so if not for Imran Khan and/or Kashmiri's, at least think of them.
 
When all fails blame pakistan. I wonder when Indians will start getting tired of this stuff, surely they cannot be this delusional. It seems Indian government uses Pakistan to dodge accountability measures, maybe that's why India is so far behind China in every metric. China doesn't blame all problems on its neighbors.
 
I find the Indian claims hard to believe that Pakistani army is directly involved in the recent Kashmiri unrest. Were it the 90s I would agree with them. However since Musharraf took over and after 2003 there has been a strong crackdown against organizations recruiting members for jihad in Kashmir. While in the 90s they would openly recruit members going from mosque to mosque, you can hardly find such activity now. In the 90s there used to be established recruiting offices where you could just show up and sign up. All of it is gone. The things have changed drastically in the past decade.

The majority of those with jihadi motivation then went on to fight in Afghanistan since going to Kandahar is easier than going to Jammu.

The LoC is under high surveillance, perhaps best in history. I just can't buy the notion that some hobby-militants are still able to cross over the border and sneak in the valley. What does that say about the Indian army's capabilities in this age of advance technology.

Those interested should read about Ilyas Kashmiri and his change of stance. He was one of the famous commanders supported by Pakistani army to fight Indian forces in Kashmir, however after Musharraf's crackdown on such activities Ilyas Kashmiri and his fellows became angry at the pak army and even went as far as to join the militants in waziristan and conspired against the army. Many of the "Punjabi Taliban" in TTP had actually background in Kashmiri militant groups and became hostile towards Pakistani army due to their crackdown and what the militants saw as a betrayal of "Jihad-e-Kashmir" by the army. Which to me is as strong of an evidence as it could be that pak army strongly changed it stance towards such militant organization.

These recent unrest are all local. From my knowledge Indian's leadership is lying to the public and the world while trying to paint the old picture of 90s. However those who know the ground reality can see through the lies. That's why it is hard to see where they want to go from here. This is like a witch hunt.
 
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As a statement of revenge and to prove our point, why don't we hang Kulbhushan Yadav? We were told that Nawaz Sharif does not want him to be punished, but he is not there anymore to save him.

Modi and India will come to their senses once our Khalifa announces his death via Twitter.

Spies are not hanged but TRADED and used as leverage when the situation demands itself.

That is how geo-politics of the espionage world works...
 
India should apologize to Pakistan for killing all the Muslims in Kashmir and for their army who has killed and raped our people as well. We shall never forget what the Indians did during partition didn't allow our Muslim brother and Christian brothers to come to Pakistan in peace killed so many people. All the terrorists attacks their doing in our country through their raw agent no India we will never forget or forgive
 
I find the Indian claims hard to believe that Pakistani army is directly involved in the recent Kashmiri unrest. Were it the 90s I would agree with them. However since Musharraf took over and after 2003 there has been a strong crackdown against organizations recruiting members for jihad in Kashmir. While in the 90s they would openly recruit members going from mosque to mosque, you can hardly find such activity now. In the 90s there used to be established recruiting offices where you could just show up and sign up. All of it is gone. The things have changed drastically in the past decade.

The majority of those with jihadi motivation then went on to fight in Afghanistan since going to Kandahar is easier than going to Jammu.

The LoC is under high surveillance, perhaps best in history. I just can't buy the notion that some hobby-militants are still able to cross over the border and sneak in the valley. What does that say about the Indian army's capabilities in this age of advance technology.

Those interested should read about Ilyas Kashmiri and his change of stance. He was one of the famous commanders supported by Pakistani army to fight Indian forces in Kashmir, however after Musharraf's crackdown on such activities Ilyas Kashmiri and his fellows became angry at the pak army and even went as far as to join the militants in waziristan and conspired against the army. Many of the "Punjabi Taliban" in TTP had actually background in Kashmiri militant groups and became hostile towards Pakistani army due to their crackdown and what the militants saw as a betrayal of "Jihad-e-Kashmir" by the army. Which to me is as strong of an evidence as it could be that pak army strongly changed it stance towards such militant organization.

These recent unrest are all local. From my knowledge Indian's leadership is lying to the public and the world while trying to paint the old picture of 90s. However those who know the ground reality can see through the lies. That's why it is hard to see where they want to go from here. This is like a witch hunt.

This is an accurate description of the real situation. Musharraf even went on to allow Indians to fence LOC. But the question is, has this change in stance helped us in any way ? Indians are still using the same rhetoric of cross border terrorism and are more vocal about it then ever before. Actually India perceived our disengagement from 'Kashmir Jihad' as a an act of weakness/defensiveness and became more offensive in their conduct regarding Pakistan since then.
 
This must be the 10,000th "warning" India has given us over the past year or two. Put up or shut up, permanently! Even they know that attacking Pakistan is not an option. When America sitting in Afghanistan dare not attack Pak then India is nothing in front of them. All this anger is an attempt to deflect the attention of it's people over Modi's Rafale deal corruption that has been exposed and the situation in IoK. On top of that Pak's deal with Saudi is also very troublesome for India. They must not even think of openly attacking Pakistan. In any war India will suffer equally if not more of that they may be certain. General Bajwa isn't even bothering to answer the silly threats made by their weird army chief that tells India how frightened Pak is!!:)):)) Indian army looks foolish in front of it's own people when after such threats they do nothing coz they can't!:dw
 
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Rahul Gandhi and Congress are ripping Modi apart with attack after attack calling him "chor" and what not. Modi and BJP don't know what to do here other then attack Pakistan. That is what this is really all about, even many Indian people know it if they are honest.
 
Going by history, it's always Pakistan who initiated the war. When your history is tainted by lies and betrayal, specially after initiation of peace talk by Vajpayee and then the aftermath of Kargil, the peace talk from Pakistan is rather useless.

You have turned back in the past. What's the guarantee that you won't do the same now?
 
NEW DELHI: Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s handpicked Army Chief Gen Bipin Rawat was on Monday appointed India’s first Chief of Defence Staff (CDS), a day before he was to step down on superannuation.

“Government has decided to appoint Gen Bipin Rawat as the CDS with effect from December 31, 2019 and until further orders and extension of Gen Bipin Rawat with effect from December 31, 2019 and till such period he holds the office of CDS,” The Hindu said quoting the defence ministry late on Monday evening.

Gen Rawat is set to retire as the Army Chief on Dec 31 on completing three years of tenure and will assume charge as the CDS. Vice Chief of Army Lt Gen MM Naravane is scheduled to take over as the 28th Chief of Army Staff (COAS).

In Dec 2015, the Modi government had appointed Gen Rawat as the Army Chief by superseding two senior officers Lt. Gen. Praveen Bakshi and Lt. Gen. P. M. Hariz, and both have since retired.

According to an official Gazette dated December 28 the upper age limit for the CDS has been fixed at 65 years of age. However, the tenure of CDS has not been fixed. Service Chiefs have a tenure of three years or 62 years of age whichever is earlier and it remains unchanged. As Gen Rawat has not reached 62 years of age, his tenure as CDS could be longer than his tenure as the COAS unless the Government fixes the tenure of CDS at a later stage, The Hindu said.

Last week the Union Cabinet approved the creation of the post of Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) who will be a four star General and will function as the Principal Military Adviser to the Defence Minister and also as the Permanent Chairman, Chiefs of Staff Committee (COSC).

The CDS will head the new Department of Military Affairs in the Defence Ministry and function as a Secretary to Government.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1525432/rawat-becomes-indias-first-chief-of-defence-staff
 
Bajwa knows full well how to handle that lot. This is why they were celebrating some weeks back when Bajwa's extent ion was under question. India is terrified of him.
 
Pakistan rejects new Indian army chief’s ‘irresponsible statement on pre-emptive strikes across LoC’

Pakistan on Wednesday rejected the new Indian Army Chief Lt Gen MM Naravane's "irresponsible statement" regarding "pre-emptive strikes" across the Line of Control (LoC) in Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK).

In a press release, the Foreign Office (FO) said: "There should be no doubt about Pakistan’s resolve and readiness to thwart against any aggressive Indian move, inside its territory or AJ&K. No one should forget Pakistan’s befitting response to India’s Balakot misadventure.

"Despite India's provocations, Pakistan will continue contributing to all efforts of promoting peace, security and stability in the region and beyond."

Gen Naravane, who was appointed as India's 28th army chief on Tuesday, barely hours after taking charge said that New Delhi "reserves the right to preemptively strike across the Line of Control (LoC)", First Post reported.

According to the report, in an exclusive interview with the Press Trust of India, the newly appointed army chief said: "If Pakistan does not stop its policy of state-sponsored terrorism, we reserve the right to preemptively strike at the sources of terror threat and this intent has adequately been demonstrated in our response during surgical strikes and Balakot operation."

Gen Naravane said a "strategy of resolute punitive response" has been evolved to tackle cross-border terrorism," Hindustan Times added.

According to HT, Gen Naravane served as India's vice-chief of the army prior to his new appointment. Additionally, he has served in various command and staff appointments in peace, field and "highly active counter-insurgency environments" in occupied Kashmir and the northeast, the report added.

He also headed the force's Eastern Command and commanded a Rashtriya Rifles battalion in occupied Kashmir and an infantry brigade on the eastern front.

Gen Naravane took over as the army chief after former army chief Gen Bipin Rawat was appointed as India’s first Chief of Defence Staff (CDS), a day before his superannuation.

Last month, Rawat had said that the situation at the restive LoC could "escalate any time". In response, Inter-Services Public Relations Director General Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor had termed Rawat's remarks an "effort, as usual, to divert world attention from widespread protests" over the controversial Citizenship (Amendment) Act (CAA) in India.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1525852/p...e-statement-on-pre-emptive-strikes-across-loc
 
In a sharp attack on Pakistan, Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) General Bipin Rawat said that terrorism will not end till the time there are countries which provide funding to it.

“The future of terrorism is going to be as dirty as conventional combat. Terrorism is here to stay, so long as their are states who are sponsoring it,” General Rawat said at Raisina Dialogue on Thursday.

“War on terror will continue, and we will have to live with it until we get to the root of it,” he added, saying that the best remedy to put an end to it is isolation. “We need to isolate terrorism - you cannot have countries which are partnering with you in the global war on terror with you and are yet sponsoring proxies and terrorism. For this, an international messaging has to go - like blacklisting in FATF - it was a good measure,” General Rawat said.

“This is not for Pakistan, but for all the countires which are doing this,” he added. General Rawat also said that the countries need to accept that yes, they are sponsors of terrorism. “To say that they are not denying it, and that they themselves are thr victims of terrorism cannot go on forever.”

He also advocated a peace deal with the Taliban. “You have to come to a peace deal with anyone, including Taliban. They (Taliban) need to understand that have to come to political mainstream,” General Rawat said, adding that these negotiations should be for lasting peace and not temporary.

“They were in power last time, but they had the power of the gun behind them,” he added. “You have to change the ideology behind the Taliban. Only then can you bring peace in the region,” General Rawat said.

Pakistan is under diplomatic pressure to show progress on combating the menace of terrorism. The Financial Action Task Force, an inter-governmental organisation formed to check financial aid to terrorism, has asked Pakistan to show progress report on this front.

Pakistan’s Parliament narrowly passed a bill earlier thing month to allow the exchange of information and of criminals with countries - to meet a key requirement of the FATF. It approved amendments to the Anti-Money Laundering (AML) Act and the Foreign Exchange Regulations Act.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...na-dialogue/story-0VaZPbXIMT0GQx76ExDWcM.html
 
They keep playing the «sponsoring of terrorism»-card so they can have the support of West. Your country is a facist country. Deal with that first.
 
We have been hearing this "It's time to give it back to Pakistan" nonsense for years now.

We heard it after Pathankot, we heard it again after URI, and recently again after Pulwama.

However, the only things we got back were :

1. Kulbhushan caught and still present in Pakistan.

2. IAF pilot captured and IAF jets shot down.

3. URI: The Surgical Strike, a Bollywood movie based on "true events".
 
Is the CDS an actual position of utility in India, or is it specially created for this boomer uncle to give political speeches.
 
India can not do anything to Pak without receiving the same in return and they know this very well. These cheap movies like "Phantom" and "D-Day's" only make them look like bigger fools. We will do this and that yet can do nothing in reality. Even their own people mock what they say.
 
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