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Time to revoke Bangladesh's Test status?

Pre CV - 19, BCB did brilliantly to be honest; this is one of very few people institutions that actually is functioning in Hasina’s rigid regime. Don’t know what lies in front because, not only cricket, whole country & economy is under severe threat. If there is any global recession, one of the first few countries that will suffer body blow is Bangladesh- be it through remittance or textile/RMG sector. Those $35-38bn reserves that hard working Bangladeshis accumulated to boast Hasina’s esteem will evaporate in no time; cricket should suffer its consequences severely as well.

The journey of developing into a strong Cricket nation takes lot more planning & time - it’s not a physical game, rather a skill based old fashioned game that needs the culture first. Ever since English Counties stopped hiring foreigners in mass, just look at where WIN & PAK cricket have gone down in just two decades. For a new entrants with severe financial crisis, it’s even tougher for BD. And, when it comes to Test cricket, it’s even tougher - we are not only struggling with adequate skill set, but mass interest as well. New generation hardly bother for the longer version. Up to ZIM, every new entrant had an advantage that those days Test cricket was supreme, the ultimate esteem for a cricketer - not any more. Problem is, you can’t develop this game without nurturing players n the longer format - therefore it’s a double trouble for us - you need money & Test (FC) cricket to grow as a Test nation, but Test cricket doesn’t earn that money, and the economy is not strong enough to spoon feed a non essential event.

Still, what BCB has done in last 20 years is astonishing- we didn’t have even a National league, let alone FC system as close as 2000 - amateur players playing here and there tournaments around few big cities and that’s it. No infrastructures either - grounds were shared with soccer, no training facilities, no intellectuality, very little knowledge about the game of technical side of the game; no qualified coaching staffs either - former cricketers used to run some cricket clubs as coach and those cricketers were not even at the level of Mumbai/Karachi league cricket.

I can recall, in 2009, some Richard Pybas left BCB after two weeks, because he didn’t “enjoy” his stay in Bangladesh- these days, every time BCB posts an ad, this guy is among the first to apply ..... Whatmore, kicked door out of BCB’s conference room because he didn’t have one single ground fit enough to train his boys during off season and someone told him to manage at the side tracks of Dhaka stadium before/after the soccer game. Shahriar Nafees left for ICL at 23, for a contract of less than $100k, jeopardising his national future - when asked, he gave a calculation that it’ll take him 15+!years in BD shirt to match those four weeks earnings. Guy is educated and his logic was simple - I’ll play there as long as possible .... then open my own garments/buying house.

From there on, where BD cricket has moved is a truly amazing journey. We have a fantastic FC system now, cascading Australian system, covering whole country - the quality is lagging, but it’s well organised. First positive of that is n 2000, all 16 players that were chosen for first tour were resident of Dhaka or Chittagong - today, may be 15 will come from small towns. Bringing the whole population into the talent pool and as the first success of BCB. It has grown tremendously in terms of finance - BD Sports ministry & Local Govt Public Works had to support BCB arranging 1998 ICC KO tournament. Today, BCB has 10-12 dedicated cricket stadiums with excellent facilities. Mash Mortuza was the highest paid BD cricketer in 2008 - some $10K in total in a year.... last season, BCB awarded central contracts to around 100 FC cricketers - lowest slab being around $10k.

In terms of skill developments, there are several qualified coaches are now working at grass root level at, at least 12 academics across country with fantastic facilities- indoor net/gym, bowling machines, physical instructors, qualified curators. The National High Performance centre at Savar is still WiP, but it has some of the best facilities in world, installed under the supervision of pros, again copying the Queensland academy. There are national tournaments for age level cricket, there is a functional scouting network. Those 15 boys winning U19 WC are given a $12k/year retainer-ship for two years and some of them will go to ECB/BCCI/CAs high performance centres at BCBs expense. After so many years of experience and knowledge and with that financial muscle, even now days many of India’s domestic games are played on substandard pitches, most of the FC players are not up to the fitness level that’s required for professional sports, which should suggest how difficult it is to develop it from scratch under severe financial constraints.

All this will add to the strength to BD cricket inch by inch. These 15 boys won’t make it a World Champion unit in 2027 or 2031, but they’ll add to the strength of domestics - real impact starts from there, when grass root players are being pushed to improve their level to survive. Shakib can bat right handed and still he will be one of our greats but individuals hardly matter - the growth has to be collectively, which takes longer time. Every development first needs a process to be fit, otherwise we will always be stuck with when next Shakib is born.

Coming to the next 10-12 years - I think, despite hiccups, our W/L ratio in matches that matters is improving, but more importantly the gap of loss is reducing. Any team can shock someone on their day - BD did that in 2007 WC, could have beaten that AUS side in a Test in 2005, but then no point losing next three games inside 25 overs. There is a good flow on younger players and by every season the overall quality is on a upward curve - compared to last few seasons, this years BPL hardly had any name out side PAK, but that gap was considerably filled up by local players - as long as it happens, BD is in right track. But again - BD Test performance by the scale of W/L can never be compared with even 30-40 years past, the context has changed from even 80s. Weaker teams don’t have the back doors anymore to steal a draw - games are 5 days long, ICC is forcing maximum playing time by over rate fines, extended hours, makeup times; technology has come into the aid - artificial light, better drainage/drying facilities; neutral umpires, ball scrutiny, pitch inspections..... the context that newcomers got into Test cricket in past - cascade that in last 20 years, BD record will look MUCH better (just make it 4 day Test, not even 3). Also, apart from ENG/AUS, every new entrant has a space to hide - WIN/NZ had each other’s + SAF; IND/PAK had each other & NZL .... BD entered Test circle with eight strong & established teams - add to that the playing conditions, its really a tough place Test cricket, for emerging teams.

The comparison with AFG often comes and may be rightly so as well, but we have to understand the context as well. In such an highly technical game, many of these AFG senior players actually got their baptism in established PAK cricket circles, then the younger generation got the world class facilities of BCCI, therefore they had a relatively faster track. It’s a bit moot to mention their internal situation because that’s what has brought them here - without the war, Afghans won’t have migrated to bordering PAK and that geo-politics has availed them a favour from BCCI, otherwise people here have absolutely no clue what and from where BCB has pulled BD cricket here.

This is where I really don’t get what some PAK posters here are trying to achieve taunting BD cricket - we are a brilliant addition to the small & shrinking cricket world. Their predecessors have done that to India 30-40 years back .... now those people feel shy even about taking cricket with Indians - the gap is that embarrassingly telling. I can categorically tell that I actually can sum up the age of PAK posters here, from their posts around cricket - it’s predictable. I started following PAK cricket at it's peak - from that level, where it has come down now, I indeed have the eye and knowledge to sum it up. And then, it’s quite irritating for me to suffer attitude from some of the PAK posters here whose own team is sinking. The beautiful game cricket is heading to a slow death, it can only survive by promoting the game where it has future - AND by preserving the skills where it prospered in past. In that regard, BCB and BD cricket has done fantastically for the first part; though can’t say about PCB & PAK for the second part - unfortunately, some PAK posters don’t have the grasp to realise it.... hence we are often in a fight about who should play Test cricket and where or which tier. The day, they’ll realise it, our stay at PP will be much more pleasant.

Apart from all this, I seriously think Bangladesh need to work on couple of aspects of their game that lets them down:
1. Mental strength - they demonstrated at U19WC they can find a way to be mentally strong - in that case with their in-your-face brand of cricket. A conditioning coach or like Pakistan did the Army training - anything that works for the long term. Pakistan broke their test shackles with '79 2 sixes by Imran in India series and their ODI shackles with the '86 Australasia Cup. Someone has to instill that belief in the senior team.
2. Opening bowling - Bangladesh must over resource on fast bowling resources like the MRF academy. Can't chase the game from the get go by bringing spinners in at 50/0.

The rest, as you say, may bear fruit in a few years time.

The other thing: Comparison with Pakistan serve no purpose to your argument because Pakistan's real record in last 3 decades is massively defined by infighting, fixing and what not, rarely about talent or skills.
 
I bet if you gave Afghanistan as many test games as Bangladesh they’d have far more wins.

I have to say Afghanistan is more talented than Bangladesh. They are physically and mentally stronger. I think Afghans are more talented than SL also.

However, I think Afghanistan can never maximize their potential until wars are over. They also don't have a proper system. They basically rely 100% on talent and nothing else.
 
I have to say Afghanistan is more talented than Bangladesh. They are physically and mentally stronger. I think Afghans are more talented than SL also.

However, I think Afghanistan can never maximize their potential until wars are over. They also don't have a proper system. They basically rely 100% on talent and nothing else.

That SRL part is almost blasphemous, you know.

War is a blessings for AFG cricket - guess why👌
 
That SRL part is almost blasphemous, you know.

War is a blessings for AFG cricket - guess why��

Why?

I think present SL players aren't that good. They are highly inconsistent. Afghans can beat them in a series probably.
 
Why?

I think present SL players aren't that good. They are highly inconsistent. Afghans can beat them in a series probably.

They have some good Technica skill - some if the batsmen from SL during the t20 series in Pakistan showed some excellent stroke play.

Afghan batsmen especially the newer generation are about hacky as it gets.
 
Why?

I think present SL players aren't that good. They are highly inconsistent. Afghans can beat them in a series probably.

That’s their current state of cricket, not the reflection of talent. In last 35 years, they have produced some of the best cricketers on earth. Not only in cricket, the tiny islanders are the most talented sports people in South Asia - they have produced world class sprinters and normally strikes more gold in SAF games than PAK-BD combined in meaningful events.

Even in these days, they won a Test series in SAF 2-0 just about a year back - I hope we will see Afghans to do that in my life time.
 
Bangladesh should be stripped of test status

Honestly no hate to my Bangladeshi brothers but is this a joke or what. How does one team lose a test match at home by an innings in literally 1.5 days. Someone please explain to me has this ever happened before to any of the top tier teams or even the lower tier teams because I’m embarrassed to watch this as a cricket fan. I am only saying this because Bangladesh have been around for a very long time and yet have not even achieved anything substantial of what a team like Afghanistan have achieved in less than a decade. Which is also the reason I believe Bangladesh should be stripped of their test status and a team like Afghanistan should be promoted as they have proven over time and time they can be a very strong upcoming side if given more opportunities. I think we’ve all had enough of Bangladesh in test cricket they truly do not deserve to be in the test championship for sure if not stripped of test cricket status.
 
100% agree

They are wasting everyone's time and money by scheduling Test matches. Yes they are an exciting ODI and T20i team and should stick to this.
 
Joke team..
They even lost to Windies B team and Afghanistan..
Look at averages of their seamers and top order batsmans..
I don't mind they lose so many games, but the way they are losing is unacceptable.
 
I definitely think they should lose Test status. They do not seem interested in Test format also.

Just play ODI and T20.
 
100% agree

They are wasting everyone's time and money by scheduling Test matches. Yes they are an exciting ODI and T20i team and should stick to this.

News to me.
 
WTC can have just 7 teams, they are playing 6 series anyways, so makes sense to have 7 teams in Elite Group and the remaining 5 in plate group with a promotion / relegation system every 2 years.

ICC are scared like **** to lose any main member if they have promotion/relegation system. They just do not have the larger interest of growing the game.

This will be good exposure for Zimbabwe, Ireland, Afghanistan also who can surely compete against the likes of WI and Bangladesh (8th and 9th atm)

The only problem here is India - Pak not wanting to play each other, then whoever doesn't want to play, I respect that, but should forfeit the points.
 
News to me.

They have fans, they bring some drama just like Afghanistan do. I’d prefer them over boring teams like New Zealand who genuinely have zero fans and atmosphere outside of NZ. You can’t discredit this element of the sport
 
Give test status to all countries in fact. But boards should play only contests that are a even match, this would force teams to strive to be better.

Right now there is no incentive to play better test cricket other than just having the privilege to play it. I think allowing T20s to be opened up fully has allowed for a lot of equally matched teams to play and become better in the process, same needs to be done for tests.

Bangladesh constantly playing big boys and losing inside 3 days isn't going to make them a better test team. They'll only resort to pitch doctoring as last resort, which doesn't even help them in longest format.
 
They are so pathetic. Even experienced players don't bother to use their brain and give their wicket away. How many times have we seen Bangladesh failing miserably like this? Openers are walking wickets. I wonder what will happen when they to go to NZ now facing Jamieson, Boult & Southee. Perhaps that's why, Shakib took a break and not touring NZ.
 
This discussion seems to come up every couple of years. Bangladesh have got the Test status and have had it for much longer than several of the other newer Test sides. It can take teams decades of receiving regular hidings to become competitive in Test cricket. Look at South Africa and Sri Lanka.
 
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It’s funny how the so called experts who were labelling Pakistan to minnow status are nowhere to be seen now.
 
Their Test team is going downhill rapidly. Since February 2019 Bangladesh have played 14 Tests:

Lost 11
Drawn 1 (against Sri Lanka)
Won 2 (both against Zimbabwe)
 
After seeing this match I think I'm going to moderate my original position.

I say let them keep their test status. Atleast we will get to see matches like this or the one where West Indies chased down 300+ against them, from time to time.

Who knows maybe they will even make new records in New Zealand.
 
A lot of their younger players seem to be white-ball cricketers rather than the sort of players who can go out there and bat 70 or 80 overs if needed or take 10 wickets in a Test.

Some hard work ahead for those that are in the corridors of power in Bangladesh cricket.
 
I would like the ICC to re-publish the stats of all Test cricketers without taking their performances against Bangladesh into consideration.

Bangladesh can keep their stats against all other teams
 
they should keep test status but be removed from the next leg of the wtc (when pak will pbly not play them :ashwin )

jokes aside, they pbly shouldnt be in the wtc, but taking away their test status will serve no real benefit. if they arent in wtc then teams can pick and choose when to play against them, and try weaker squads, etc.

bang dont gain anyting from losing liek that either.
 
A lot of their younger players seem to be white-ball cricketers rather than the sort of players who can go out there and bat 70 or 80 overs if needed or take 10 wickets in a Test.

Some hard work ahead for those that are in the corridors of power in Bangladesh cricket.

Realistically for younger players or even current players coming through how much test cricket are they realistically going to play? 6-8 tests a year and thats if they are lucky. There is no real test career for these players to make. Its pretty much the same with other test nations aswell WI are another side going that way aswell.

So i can see why most players coming through are white ball cricketers. At domestic level every where probably except in England and India, most players wont earn or gain much from playing 4 day cricket etc and all they will want to do is play domestic or global T20 stuff as thats where money is aswell as opportunities to play more cricket inn the lime light.
 
I feel like Bangladesh cricketers dont want the test status. There appears to be a level of disinterest. Need to pinpoint and get rid of such players completely.
 
Remove it immediately. Bangladesh board, cricketers, or fans, none of them have any interest in test cricket. It's not about money, they don't respect the format or find it interesting. Bangladesh has enough money; they are not Afghanistan.
 
This discussion seems to come up every couple of years. Bangladesh have got the Test status and have had it for much longer than several of the other newer Test sides. It can take teams decades of receiving regular hidings to become competitive in Test cricket. Look at South Africa and Sri Lanka.

How many tests did they play over those decades, compared to Bangladesh over the past 21 years?
 
How many tests did they play over those decades, compared to Bangladesh over the past 21 years?

Not sure, probably less.

One for the stats gurus. (I am not one)
 
Not sure, probably less.

One for the stats gurus. (I am not one)

Exactly, and by the time they had played ~125 tests (which is where Bangladesh are at now) they had transformed into worthy teams with their fair share of globally renowned players.
 
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Talk nah!
 
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This has been a good performance by Bangladesh but I expect them to be all out in the first session tom with the new ball in the morning.
 
Great day at the office for the Bangla boys.

World cricket & more importantly Asia cricket needs Bangladesh to get its act together. Asia has already suffered with no cricket between India & Pakistan.
 
Bangladesh are playing better than expected.It looks a good pitch.Bangladesh bowled well but NZ threw away a couple of wickets by playing wrong shots.BD has nothing to lose so should play fearless cricket.
 
Bangladesh could actually win this if they keep concentrating
 
They have to start winning some Tests.

These performances are good but it is the win that counts at the end of the day.
 
They have to start winning some Tests.

These performances are good but it is the win that counts at the end of the day.

They can win this. They need to do what NZ did last year against Pakistan on this venue. Just look to bat once and for as long as they can. Get to day 4 with some wickets in hand. It isn’t impossible, the wicket looks very flat and good for batting
 
3 days of very good cricket by Bangladesh. They've started the new year quite nicely.
 
Many not expected Bangladesh to even fight against the World Test Champions, New Zealand in their own backyard and four days later, the visitors have a realistic chance to turn the tables on the hosts in the first Test at Bay Oval in Mount Maunganui.

Devon Conway, who has taken international cricket like fish to water, slammed a century on the first day of the match as New Zealand dominated the first day. However, since then it's been all Bangladesh whether with the bat or the ball in the second innings as they had New Zealand five down with a paltry lead of 17 runs and veteran batsman Ross Taylor stands between them and a historic victory on the final day.

After bowling out the Kiwis for 328 runs, Bangladesh's batting order came back to the party. No one was able to get to the three-figure mark but there were four contributions of 60-plus scores as Bangladesh piled on runs. Najmul Hossain Shanto (64), Mahmudul Hasan Joy (78), skipper Mominul Haque (88) and wicket-keeper batsman Liton Das (86), helped the tourists post a score in excess of 450 and take a huge lead of 130 runs.

With this batting effort, Bangladesh achieved a huge record as they were able to bat for 176.2 overs and this was the most number of overs played by opposition in New Zealand in a Test match since 2013.

9 years ago, Alastair Cook's England batted for 170 overs posting a score of 421/6 in Dunedin against New Zealand which was the highest number of overs faced by a visiting team in a Test innings, before Tuesday, January 4.


Here's a look at the most number of overs faced by an opposing team in New Zealand in a Test innings:

Bangladesh – 458 in 176.2 overs, in Mount Maunganui, 2022

England – 421/6 in 170 overs, in Dunedin, 2013

England – 476 in 162.5 overs, in Hamilton, 2019

West Indies – 507 in 162.1, in Dunedin, 2013

Australia – 562 in 154.2, in Wellington, 2016


https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...st-test-break-englands-9-year-old-feat/846190
 
Another "Talk Nah" moment for BD detractors!
 
Slap in the face of a lot of people. They are doing far better than what England are doing in Australia.
 
Perhaps Bangladesh should retain test status and England lose it?
 
After the win against New Zealand, I think they deserve to retain Test status.

But, I think there should be a promotion-relegation system in place. If teams do poorly, they should lose Test statuses.
 
I have never liked the concept of fans asking BD to give up test status. Now, I am not saying this because we won today but giving up test status does not really help us in any form.

We have been slowly trying to find our feet in Tests over the last 5-6 years and even though results have often gone against us, there were times when we showed competitiveness even though we did go on to lose at the end. Examples include the tests vs WI at home, or the 1st test vs Pakistan last month.

No team, not even zimbabwe and the new test nations - Afghanistan and Ireland should simply be asked to handover their test status. Instead what can be done is to ensure the lower tier teams plays a bit more cricket with each other. The more tests each team plays, whether they deserve it at the moment or not, it will help them grow.
 
After the win against New Zealand, I think they deserve to retain Test status.

But, I think there should be a promotion-relegation system in place. If teams do poorly, they should lose Test statuses.

That promotion relegation system will only make sense if each team gets to play equal number of matches both home and away against every opposition. :inti
 
That promotion relegation system will only make sense if each team gets to play equal number of matches both home and away against every opposition. :inti

Yeah. I am okay with that. All teams face each other in at least 1 series.

Bottom 2 teams can get relegated while 2 associates can get promoted. Same can be repeated every season.
 
Well said. Zimbabwe, Ireland, Afghanistan will also improve if they get more fixtures but no one wants to play them.

Bangladesh still get good amount of fixtures and we can see that it is helping them improve.

You simply cannot expect teams to turn up once or twice in an year and do big things.
 
Well said. Zimbabwe, Ireland, Afghanistan will also improve if they get more fixtures but no one wants to play them.

Bangladesh still get good amount of fixtures and we can see that it is helping them improve.

You simply cannot expect teams to turn up once or twice in an year and do big things.

Well said. Also it is pretty unfair to compare India's stats with other asian countries because India plays more matches than other asian teams away from home. If teams like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or even Pakistan play 3-5 match test series in these countries frequently, they too can improve and start winning a test or two. :inti
 
I don't support the idea of revoking test status. BD/ZIM/AFG/IRE should all keep it. If they got it, it is up to ICC to make sure each team gets a fair share of the game, which will allow players to improve.

Another thing to consider is the number of games these lads play. Are they getting enough games to improve? Take Mushfiqur, for example. According to Cricinfo, he debuted in 2005 and only has played 78 test matches since then. I am no expert on BD cricket, but it is safe to assume that throughout 2005-2022, he has participated in almost all of the test matches BD has played? And then compare that to Joe Roots, who debuted in 2012. He has played 112 test matches from 2012-2022.

There is a big reason BD has improved in ODI because their core players have played plenty of ODI matches since their debut, compared to test matches. Again, if we look into Mushfiqur, since his debut in 2006, he has participated in 200+ ODI matches. We have all witnessed his batting AVG improve in ODI over time.

Obviously, in the beginning, teams like AFG/IRE will play poorly. A team like BD/ZIM needs to get more international games to learn and perfect their game. These teams often don't play enough, and their new players get introduced while old players retire, which doesn't help them set up either. So generally, they just perform poorly in test cricket.

This is why I am a big supporter of 2 tier test teams. Divide it into 2 groups with promotion/demotion options. Not revoking status.
 
Christchurch: Veteran New Zealand batter Ross Taylor believes that his team’s loss to Bangladesh in the first Test at Mount Maunganui was good for world cricket. In the first of the two-match series, Bangladesh sprung a surprise, defeating New Zealand, the current World Test Championship winners, by eight wickets, ending the 17-match winning streak of the hosts in Test matches at their backyard.

“If you look at it from a neutral point of view, I think it was good for world cricket. I think for Bangladesh to come in, a proud nation with a lot of proud history, for the game of cricket and Test cricket, I don’t think this was a bad result. Obviously, we were disappointed that we didn’t put up a bit of a contest. We were outplayed the whole time but I think for Test cricket to survive, we need Bangladesh to be a thriving nation,” said Taylor in the press interaction.

Now 1-0 behind, Taylor, who will be retiring from Test cricket after the second Test at the Hagley Oval from January 9 to 13, wants to sign off from the longest format of the game on a high by squaring the series. “We’re one-nil down, we know we have to play some aggressive cricket, but it’s also a ground that we know how we’re going to play and we’ve had a lot of success here. I just asked is it a normal wicket and he said ‘yes’."

The 37-year-old feels the conditions at Hagley Oval will suit New Zealand’s bowling attack better than what was on offer at the Bay Oval.

“I think it’s going to have bounce and carry the whole time and there’s going be a lot of grass on it. The bowlers will be licking their lips and us batters need to apply ourselves better than we did at the Mount. I think these conditions will suit us a lot more than they did at the Mount. We know what to expect and that’s the positive about being at home and on a ground where we’ve played a lot of cricket on.”

Taylor, playing his last Test at the Hagley Oval, will put him on par with former left-arm spinner Daniel Vettori’s record of 112 appearances for New Zealand. After the Tests against Bangladesh, Taylor will feature in the ODIs against Australia and The Netherlands, with his final international match marked for April 4 at Seddon Park in Hamilton.

https://www.india.com/sports/good-f...angladeshs-test-win-over-new-zealand-5175210/
 
Gracious comments from Ross.

Hope he can go out on a high with a classic Taylor innings.
 
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