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Good this is a bipartisan effort, surprising wall street allowed this.
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Wuhan scientist would 'welcome' visit probing lab leak theory
A Chinese scientist at the centre of unsubstantiated claims that the coronavirus leaked from her laboratory in the Chinese city of Wuhan has told the BBC she is open to "any kind of visit" to rule it out.
The surprise statement from Prof Shi Zhengli comes as a World Health Organization team prepares to travel to Wuhan next month to begin its investigation into the origins of Covid-19.
Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55364445
A Chinese scientist at the centre of unsubstantiated claims that the coronavirus leaked from her laboratory in the Chinese city of Wuhan has told the BBC she is open to "any kind of visit" to rule it out.
The surprise statement from Prof Shi Zhengli comes as a World Health Organization team prepares to travel to Wuhan next month to begin its investigation into the origins of Covid-19.
Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55364445
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China reports 20 new COVID-19 mainland cases vs 14 a day earlier
SHANGHAI (Reuters) -Mainland China recorded 20 new COVID-19 cases on Dec. 25, compared with 14 cases the previous day, the country’s health authority said on Saturday.
The National Health Commission said in its daily bulletin that 12 of the new cases were imported. Of the eight locally transmitted cases, six came from the northeastern province of Liaoning and two from the capital Beijing.
The new Beijing cases were from its Shunyi district, which has entered a “wartime state” requiring all residents to undergo testing, the state-owned China Daily reported on Saturday.
The People’s Daily reported five people had tested positive after nucleic acid tests were carried out across Beijing’s districts of Chaoyang, Shunyi and Tianzhu on Saturday.
Additionally, 19 asymptomatic cases were reported on Dec. 25, up from 17 the previous day. China does not include asymptomatic patients in its total confirmed case list.
China has now reported a total of 86,933 confirmed mainland cases, with 4,634 deaths.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...nland-cases-vs-14-a-day-earlier-idUSKBN29000L
SHANGHAI (Reuters) -Mainland China recorded 20 new COVID-19 cases on Dec. 25, compared with 14 cases the previous day, the country’s health authority said on Saturday.
The National Health Commission said in its daily bulletin that 12 of the new cases were imported. Of the eight locally transmitted cases, six came from the northeastern province of Liaoning and two from the capital Beijing.
The new Beijing cases were from its Shunyi district, which has entered a “wartime state” requiring all residents to undergo testing, the state-owned China Daily reported on Saturday.
The People’s Daily reported five people had tested positive after nucleic acid tests were carried out across Beijing’s districts of Chaoyang, Shunyi and Tianzhu on Saturday.
Additionally, 19 asymptomatic cases were reported on Dec. 25, up from 17 the previous day. China does not include asymptomatic patients in its total confirmed case list.
China has now reported a total of 86,933 confirmed mainland cases, with 4,634 deaths.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...nland-cases-vs-14-a-day-earlier-idUSKBN29000L
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China and EU poised to sign long-delayed investment deal
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/china-and-eu-poised-to-sign-long-delayed-investment-deal
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/china-and-eu-poised-to-sign-long-delayed-investment-deal
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Covid-19: China approves Sinopharm vaccine for general use
Chinese authorities have given conditional approval for general public use of a coronavirus vaccine developed by state-owned drugmaker Sinopharm.
The move came a day after the firm said interim data showed its leading vaccine had a 79% efficacy rate in phase three trials, without providing more details.
Several Chinese-made vaccines at a late trial stage are already in use in China after being granted emergency licences.
The pandemic emerged in the central Chinese city of Wuhan in December 2019.
It has since spread around the world, but China has managed to bring infection rates down to very low levels through strict anti-virus measures.
The search for the source of the coronavirus has led to tensions with the West. The US - among a number of other countries - raised questions about whether China was fully transparent when the virus first emerged there.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55498197
Chinese authorities have given conditional approval for general public use of a coronavirus vaccine developed by state-owned drugmaker Sinopharm.
The move came a day after the firm said interim data showed its leading vaccine had a 79% efficacy rate in phase three trials, without providing more details.
Several Chinese-made vaccines at a late trial stage are already in use in China after being granted emergency licences.
The pandemic emerged in the central Chinese city of Wuhan in December 2019.
It has since spread around the world, but China has managed to bring infection rates down to very low levels through strict anti-virus measures.
The search for the source of the coronavirus has led to tensions with the West. The US - among a number of other countries - raised questions about whether China was fully transparent when the virus first emerged there.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55498197
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COVID-19: WHO scientists arrive in Wuhan to begin investigating origins of pandemic
World Health Organisation (WHO) experts have arrived in Wuhan to investigate the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, Chinese state media has confirmed.
The team of 10 virologists and other scientists will spend around a month in the Chinese city where COVID-19 first emerged over a year ago.
After spending the first two weeks in quarantine, the WHO team will investigate scientists' claims the virus jumped from animals to humans elsewhere in China before the first cases were detected at the Huanan wet market in Wuhan.
It comes after the team - who come from the UK, US, Australia, Germany, Japan, Russia, the Netherlands, Qatar and Vietnam - were stopped from entering the country earlier this month.
Some of the experts had already left their home countries and were on their way when China said they would not be allowed in due to incomplete checks.
WHO had been in talks with China since July, but the experts were refused entry on 6 January.
Director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at the time: "Today, we learned that Chinese officials have not yet finalised the necessary permissions for the team's arrival in China.
"I'm very disappointed with this news, given that two members had already begun their journeys and others were not able to travel at the last minute, but had been in contact with senior Chinese officials."
According to reports, the Chinese government has been strictly controlling all research into the origins of the virus and state-owned media have played up claims it could have originated elsewhere.
Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi said recently that "more and more research suggests that the pandemic was likely to have been caused by separate outbreaks in multiple places in the world".
Meanwhile, coronavirus cases are on the rise again in China, with officials reporting its first virus-related death in months.
According to the National Health Commission, 43 new cases have been recorded in Heilongjiang province, with most concentrated near the capital city of Harbin.
WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus criticised China for denying the team entry
A further 81 infections have been logged in Hebei province near Beijing and 14 from outside of China.
This made Thursday the second day in a row that the nationwide tally of infections rose into triple digits.
More than 20 million people are in lockdown in Hebei, Beijing and beyond in the hope of stemming the spread ahead of Chinese New Year.
Officials are urging people not to travel, with some routes suspended and schools ending a week early to reduce chances of infection.
World Health Organisation (WHO) experts have arrived in Wuhan to investigate the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, Chinese state media has confirmed.
The team of 10 virologists and other scientists will spend around a month in the Chinese city where COVID-19 first emerged over a year ago.
After spending the first two weeks in quarantine, the WHO team will investigate scientists' claims the virus jumped from animals to humans elsewhere in China before the first cases were detected at the Huanan wet market in Wuhan.
It comes after the team - who come from the UK, US, Australia, Germany, Japan, Russia, the Netherlands, Qatar and Vietnam - were stopped from entering the country earlier this month.
Some of the experts had already left their home countries and were on their way when China said they would not be allowed in due to incomplete checks.
WHO had been in talks with China since July, but the experts were refused entry on 6 January.
Director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at the time: "Today, we learned that Chinese officials have not yet finalised the necessary permissions for the team's arrival in China.
"I'm very disappointed with this news, given that two members had already begun their journeys and others were not able to travel at the last minute, but had been in contact with senior Chinese officials."
According to reports, the Chinese government has been strictly controlling all research into the origins of the virus and state-owned media have played up claims it could have originated elsewhere.
Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi said recently that "more and more research suggests that the pandemic was likely to have been caused by separate outbreaks in multiple places in the world".
Meanwhile, coronavirus cases are on the rise again in China, with officials reporting its first virus-related death in months.
According to the National Health Commission, 43 new cases have been recorded in Heilongjiang province, with most concentrated near the capital city of Harbin.
WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus criticised China for denying the team entry
A further 81 infections have been logged in Hebei province near Beijing and 14 from outside of China.
This made Thursday the second day in a row that the nationwide tally of infections rose into triple digits.
More than 20 million people are in lockdown in Hebei, Beijing and beyond in the hope of stemming the spread ahead of Chinese New Year.
Officials are urging people not to travel, with some routes suspended and schools ending a week early to reduce chances of infection.
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Hope we find out where it really came from so all the conspiracy theories and innuendo can be put to rest.
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China is not the origin, the Chinese have stated this multiple times.
Covid19 has been found in Europe months before its thought to have originated in Wuhan.
Covid19 has been found in Europe months before its thought to have originated in Wuhan.
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The US says it has intelligence that researchers in a Wuhan lab became sick with COVID-19-like symptoms in autumn 2019 - before the first identified case of the outbreak
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Lol.
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Its not a laughing matter but read this and explain to me how Covid19 originated in Wuhun late 2020?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...d-19-was-there-in-december-2019-idUKKBN23Q1J9
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WHO team, on tightly controlled China mission, visits hospital
WUHAN, China (Reuters) - The World Health Organization-led team investigating the origins of COVID-19 during a mission that has been tightly controlled by its Chinese hosts visited a hospital on Saturday in the central city of Wuhan that treated early coronavirus patients.
On its second day after two weeks in quarantine, the team went to Jinyintan Hospital, where doctors had collected samples from patients suffering from an unidentified pneumonia in late 2019.
“Important opportunity to talk directly w/ medics who were on the ground at that critical time fighting COVID!”, team member Peter Daszak said on Twitter.
Team members leaving the hospital did not speak to journalists, who have been kept at a distance since the group left its quarantine hotel on Thursday.
“Just back from visit at Jinyintan hospital, that specialised in infectious diseases and was designated for treatment of the first cases in Wuhan. Stories quite similar to what I have heard from our ICU doctors,” team member Marion Koopmans tweeted.
The WHO-led probe has been plagued by delays, concern over access and bickering between Beijing and Washington, which accused China of hiding the extent of the initial outbreak and criticised the terms of the visit, under which Chinese experts conducted the first phase of research.
The WHO, which has sought to manage expectations for the mission, said on Friday that team members would be limited to visits organised by their Chinese hosts and would not have any contact with community members, due to health restrictions.
Exactly a year ago, the WHO declared a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC), its highest level of alarm.
The group’s itinerary has not been announced but the WHO has said the team plans to visit the seafood market at the centre of the early outbreak as well as the Wuhan Institute of Virology. One hypothesis, rejected by China, is that the outbreak was caused by a leak at the government lab.
Later on Saturday, the WHO team went to an exhibition centre that features an exhibit commemorating early efforts to battle the outbreak in Wuhan, which included a 76-day lockdown of the city of 11 million.
The investigating team had been set to arrive in Wuhan earlier in January, and China’s delay of their visit drew rare public criticism from the head of the WHO, which former U.S. President Donald Trump accused of being “China-centric”.
China has pushed the idea that the virus existed abroad before it was discovered in Wuhan, with state media citing the presence of the virus on imported frozen food packaging and scientific papers saying it had been circulating in Europe in 2019.
China’s foreign ministry has also hinted that the sudden closure of a U.S. army laboratory at Fort Detrick in Maryland in July 2019 was linked to the pandemic.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...d-china-mission-visits-hospital-idUSKBN29Z0AD
WUHAN, China (Reuters) - The World Health Organization-led team investigating the origins of COVID-19 during a mission that has been tightly controlled by its Chinese hosts visited a hospital on Saturday in the central city of Wuhan that treated early coronavirus patients.
On its second day after two weeks in quarantine, the team went to Jinyintan Hospital, where doctors had collected samples from patients suffering from an unidentified pneumonia in late 2019.
“Important opportunity to talk directly w/ medics who were on the ground at that critical time fighting COVID!”, team member Peter Daszak said on Twitter.
Team members leaving the hospital did not speak to journalists, who have been kept at a distance since the group left its quarantine hotel on Thursday.
“Just back from visit at Jinyintan hospital, that specialised in infectious diseases and was designated for treatment of the first cases in Wuhan. Stories quite similar to what I have heard from our ICU doctors,” team member Marion Koopmans tweeted.
The WHO-led probe has been plagued by delays, concern over access and bickering between Beijing and Washington, which accused China of hiding the extent of the initial outbreak and criticised the terms of the visit, under which Chinese experts conducted the first phase of research.
The WHO, which has sought to manage expectations for the mission, said on Friday that team members would be limited to visits organised by their Chinese hosts and would not have any contact with community members, due to health restrictions.
Exactly a year ago, the WHO declared a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC), its highest level of alarm.
The group’s itinerary has not been announced but the WHO has said the team plans to visit the seafood market at the centre of the early outbreak as well as the Wuhan Institute of Virology. One hypothesis, rejected by China, is that the outbreak was caused by a leak at the government lab.
Later on Saturday, the WHO team went to an exhibition centre that features an exhibit commemorating early efforts to battle the outbreak in Wuhan, which included a 76-day lockdown of the city of 11 million.
The investigating team had been set to arrive in Wuhan earlier in January, and China’s delay of their visit drew rare public criticism from the head of the WHO, which former U.S. President Donald Trump accused of being “China-centric”.
China has pushed the idea that the virus existed abroad before it was discovered in Wuhan, with state media citing the presence of the virus on imported frozen food packaging and scientific papers saying it had been circulating in Europe in 2019.
China’s foreign ministry has also hinted that the sudden closure of a U.S. army laboratory at Fort Detrick in Maryland in July 2019 was linked to the pandemic.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...d-china-mission-visits-hospital-idUSKBN29Z0AD
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WHO team probing COVID-19 visits Wuhan lab, meets 'Bat Woman'
WUHAN, China (Reuters) -A team of investigators led by the World Health Organization visited a virus research laboratory in China’s central city of Wuhan and met with a prominent virologist there in its search for clues to the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic.
The experts spent about 3-1/2 hours at the heavily-guarded Wuhan Institute of Virology, which has been at the centre of some conspiracy theories that claim a laboratory leak caused the city’s first coronavirus outbreak at the end of 2019.
“Extremely important meeting today with staff at WIV including Dr Shi Zhengli. Frank, open discussion. Key questions asked & answered,” team member Peter Daszak said on Twitter.
Shi, a well-known virus hunter who has long focused on bat coronaviruses - earning her the nickname “Bat Woman” - was among the first last year to isolate the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19.
Most scientists, including Shi, reject the hypothesis of a lab leak. However, some experts speculate that a virus captured from the wild could have figured in lab experiments to test the risks of a human spillover and then escaped via an infected staff member.
“Very interesting. Many questions,” Thea Fischer, a Danish member of the team, called from her car as it sped away from the lab following Wednesday’s visit, in response to a question whether the team had found anything.
Some scientists have called for China to release details of all coronavirus samples studied at the lab, to see which most closely resembles SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the respiratory disease.
The WHO, which has sought to manage expectations for the Wuhan mission, has said its members would be limited to visits organised by their Chinese hosts and have no contact with community members, because of health restrictions.
While the novel coronavirus that sparked the pandemic was first identified in Wuhan, Beijing has sought to cast doubt on the notion that it originated in China, pointing to imported frozen food as a possible conduit.
The team will spend two weeks conducting field work after having completed two weeks in hotel quarantine after arrival in Wuhan.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...isits-wuhan-lab-meets-bat-woman-idUSKBN2A309F
WUHAN, China (Reuters) -A team of investigators led by the World Health Organization visited a virus research laboratory in China’s central city of Wuhan and met with a prominent virologist there in its search for clues to the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic.
The experts spent about 3-1/2 hours at the heavily-guarded Wuhan Institute of Virology, which has been at the centre of some conspiracy theories that claim a laboratory leak caused the city’s first coronavirus outbreak at the end of 2019.
“Extremely important meeting today with staff at WIV including Dr Shi Zhengli. Frank, open discussion. Key questions asked & answered,” team member Peter Daszak said on Twitter.
Shi, a well-known virus hunter who has long focused on bat coronaviruses - earning her the nickname “Bat Woman” - was among the first last year to isolate the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19.
Most scientists, including Shi, reject the hypothesis of a lab leak. However, some experts speculate that a virus captured from the wild could have figured in lab experiments to test the risks of a human spillover and then escaped via an infected staff member.
“Very interesting. Many questions,” Thea Fischer, a Danish member of the team, called from her car as it sped away from the lab following Wednesday’s visit, in response to a question whether the team had found anything.
Some scientists have called for China to release details of all coronavirus samples studied at the lab, to see which most closely resembles SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the respiratory disease.
The WHO, which has sought to manage expectations for the Wuhan mission, has said its members would be limited to visits organised by their Chinese hosts and have no contact with community members, because of health restrictions.
While the novel coronavirus that sparked the pandemic was first identified in Wuhan, Beijing has sought to cast doubt on the notion that it originated in China, pointing to imported frozen food as a possible conduit.
The team will spend two weeks conducting field work after having completed two weeks in hotel quarantine after arrival in Wuhan.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...isits-wuhan-lab-meets-bat-woman-idUSKBN2A309F
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Chinese military and health officials discussed weaponising coronavirus in 2015, claims 'leaked' doc
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/w...s-in-2015-claims-leaked-document-6872551.html
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/w...s-in-2015-claims-leaked-document-6872551.html
Leaked Chinese document reveals a sinister plan to ‘unleash’ coronaviruses
https://www.news.com.au/world/coron...s/news-story/53674e8108ad5a655e07e990daa85465
https://www.news.com.au/world/coron...s/news-story/53674e8108ad5a655e07e990daa85465
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lol China allowed a top secret document to find its way into the hands an Aussie paper.
Are Indians now saying the debacle in their country is because Covid19 is a biological weapon?
Are Indians now saying the debacle in their country is because Covid19 is a biological weapon?
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whats new, this was known back in december 2019
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You believe Covid19 is a biological weapon? What makes you think this Modi's reality tv show?
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Theres enought evidence to suggest it originates from the wuhan lab
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there already in the thread on the topic.
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Bro you need to stop supporting the Chinese. Their regime is the most inhumane in this world today.
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I will brother if the Indians can prove China made Covid19, a biological weapon. Do you believe this?
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Ive read it, cannot see any evidence. Perhaps you can point it out?
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you wont even see it if i put it on the table infront of you so whats the point?
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It is difficult to say because it is difficult to prove but at the same time their lack of transparency and communication when COVID-19 was spreading everywhere in China, suggests you can't rule out the "biological weapon" theory as the motive behind their lack of disclosure.
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lol. Others might.
It seems you are struggling to point out this evidence. Perhaps you should back up your claims before accusing others? Can you show us the evidence or not?
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because you never accept facts, youve made your mind up already - China is the savior of the world sent by god and now nothing is going to change your mind on it.
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China would be the last people on Earth to save Muslims. They're the most inhumane out of the regions around the world.
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I can’t be sure it was from a Chinese lab, however:
1. Anyone who thinks that China doesn’t have a bio weapons program is naive.
2. It is a huge coincidence that Wuhan where the virus started is also the site of a Chinese virus lab.
China already has a plan to save Muslims, just ask the Ugyhurs. Forced sterilizations, wives being forced to share their bed with male monitors while their husbands rot in concentration camps, no closing restaurants during Ramadan etc.
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It's an open secret that the Chinese didn't allow independent investigators to inspect the Wuhan lab and most of the early samples of the virus were deliberately destroyed.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-confirms-that-it-destroyed-early-samples-of-new-coronavirus-2020-5
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-cause-china-research-evidence-destroyed-a9495856.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56054468
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-refuses-to-give-who-raw-data-on-early-covid-19-cases-11613150580
Anyone doing propaganda for the CCP is absolutely disingenuous.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-confirms-that-it-destroyed-early-samples-of-new-coronavirus-2020-5
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-cause-china-research-evidence-destroyed-a9495856.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56054468
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-refuses-to-give-who-raw-data-on-early-covid-19-cases-11613150580
Anyone doing propaganda for the CCP is absolutely disingenuous.
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So what would be the purpose of China deliberately releasing a bio weapon globablly? Wasn't China already the fastest rising economy in the world? I would think such a move would suit their enemies more as they would be able to rally others countries to try and stop the rise of the Asian powerhouse.
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None of this proves its a bio-weapon from China or am I missing something?
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Would you like India to go to war with China? Surely this is then an act of war?
China is excepted in the selective outrage manual. Please dont bring this up again ever.
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Please detail why you believe China created Covid19 a bio weapon. Should be a fun read.
Well, if this was proven beyond doubt - it holds China accountable to the whole world not just India. Unless your selective bias allows you to ignore deaths in your country just because the perpetrator is China.
Personally, I do think there is some dirty Microbiology science that has happened between US & China through gain of function research that has caused this accident - this has been fact checked as a conspiracy theory. Though too many pointers & coincidences still for me.
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So far it seems its mainly Indians suggesting this. India will far surpass all other nations with numbers or deaths. So if India can prove but others are not sure, you will go to war with the Dragon?
Please detail why you believe China created Covid19 a bio weapon. Should be a fun read.
Bioweapons are a reality not just with China. Most militaries (including India) have NBC warfare techniques & response SOPs against such attacks. Its the same as why China (US & India) would test ASAT weapons. India has unilaterally prohibited itself to acquire/make Bioweapons. China does not have a red line in anything.
Its not black and white. It will never be proven beyond doubt.
*If* it does, India should retaliate - though I think China will have much bigger things to worry than India.
If intentional, then it is indeed an act of war on the US, Europe, India, Japan etc. Difficulty in continuing a war in the modern world is MAD due to nukes.
I doubt it was intentional. It could have been an unintentional release. Or quite likely it could have just come from nature instead of a lab.
Given how they are treating the Ugyhurs, I think the CPC is quite capable of doing terrible things, just a bit better than the NK madman.
It "seems" to you that it is mainly Indians, but that's just your bias. The belief is rather widespread. This is one of the most authoritative voices:
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-new...e-thinks-covid-19-originated-in-a-chinese-lab
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There is none whatsoever. Virologist have come out and said there is no trace of human involvement in the SARS-COV-2 genetic code. That's pretty conclusive to me. WHO couldn't find anything at all too.
Point me to one scientific paper worth it's weight that presents this evidence you speak of. And no, opinion pieces in the Times or the Australian don't count and the less said about what politicians think, the better.
Finally it makes zero sense for China to release a virus, that they have no control over first to its own shores. So that their population, economy is the first one to take a hit, when there was no treatment, no vaccines nor any idea of what the virus does. For all they knew the virus could have had a much much high CFR(it's the cousin of SARS after all). With the transmissibility it has, it would have been absolutely devastating to China.
This is not how science or viruses or artificial biological interventions work, but conspiracy theories sure do.
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Ive not see any mainstream tv news channel in Europe making reports to suggest Covid came out of a lab, while I have seen Indian news channels asserting its pretty much proven.
The main reasons given are, Wuhan had a lab, Its very contagious, spread very quickly.
It needs to proven scientifically.
Top scientists call for deeper inquiry into COVID-19 origins
You are probably watching too much Indian news channels. Discussion in this thread restarted with a couple of posts by [MENTION=150069]Lego20[/MENTION] the second of which was from an Australian media source with the headline "Chinese military and health officials discussed weaponising coronavirus in 2015, claims 'leaked' doc".
Some leading scientists think that WHO is abetting a coverup by China.
Care to share because im not a mind reader?
You are probably watching too much Indian news channels. Discussion in this thread restarted with a couple of posts by [MENTION=150069]Lego20[/MENTION] the second of which was from an Australian media source with the headline "Chinese military and health officials discussed weaponising coronavirus in 2015, claims 'leaked' doc".
Some leading scientists think that WHO is abetting a coverup by China.
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Ive watched a couple on youtube of mainstream Indian news channels. You wont hear the same rhetoric by western news channels apart from Sky News Australia or perhaps Fox news. But they havent gone as far as the Indian channels.
Im actually open to the idea its a manufactured virus
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WHO is a joke. It also said there was no human to human transmission. As long as the idiot, non medico is WHO head, there is no chance of any genuine findings about the origin of the wuhan virus from Who.
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not a single missile fired but china has gained a lot
Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before COVID-19 outbreak disclosed - WSJ
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three researchers from China's Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) sought hospital care in November 2019, a month before China reported the first cases of COVID-19, the Wall Street Journal reported on Sunday, citing a U.S. intelligence report.
The newspaper said the previously undisclosed report - which provides fresh details on the number of researchers affected, the timing of their illnesses, and their hospital visits - may add weight to calls for a broader investigation into whether the COVID-19 virus could have escaped from the laboratory.
The Journal said current and former officials familiar with the intelligence expressed a range of views about the strength of the report's supporting evidence, with one unnamed person saying it needed "further investigation and additional corroboration."
The first cases of what would eventually be known as COVID-19 were reported at the end of December 2019 in the central Chinese city of Wuhan, where the advanced laboratory specialising in coronavirus research is located.
Chinese scientists and officials have consistently rejected the lab leak hypothesis, saying SARS-CoV-2 could have been circulating in other regions before it hit Wuhan, and might have even entered China from another country via imported frozen food shipments or wildlife trading.
China's foreign ministry spokesman, Zhao Lijian, said on Monday that it was "completely untrue" that three members of staff at WIV had fallen ill.
"The United States continues to hype up the lab leak theory," he said. "Does it care about traceability or is it just trying to distract attention?"
The Journal report came on the eve of a meeting of the World Health Organization's decision-making body, which is expected to discuss the next phase of an investigation into the origins of COVID-19.
Asked about the report, WHO spokesman Tarik Jasarevic said via email that the organisation's technical teams were now deciding on the next steps. He said further study was needed into the role of animal markets as well as the lab leak hypothesis.
A U.S. National Security Council spokeswoman had no comment on the report but said the Biden administration continued to have "serious questions about the earliest days of the COVID-19 pandemic, including its origins within the Peoples Republic of China."
She said the U.S. government was working with the WHO and other member states to support an expert-driven evaluation of the pandemic's origins "that is free from interference or politicization."
"We're not going to make pronouncements that prejudge an ongoing WHO study into the source of SARS-CoV-2, but we've been clear that sound and technically credible theories should be thoroughly evaluated by international experts," she said.
A joint study into the origins of COVID-19 by the WHO and China published at the end of March said it was "extremely unlikely" that it had escaped from a lab.
But China was accused of failing to disclose raw data on early COVID-19 cases to the WHO team, and the United States, the European Union and other Western countries called on Beijing to grant "full access" to independent experts.
A State Department fact sheet released near the end of the Trump administration said "the U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses." It did not say how many researchers.
(Reporting by David Shepardson and Andrea Shalal; additional reporting by Gabriel Crossley in Beijing, David Stanway in Shanghai and Stephanie Nebehay in Geneva; Editing by Daniel Wallis and Andrew Heavens)
https://news.yahoo.com/wuhan-lab-staff-sought-hospital-215837238.html?guccounter=1
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three researchers from China's Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) sought hospital care in November 2019, a month before China reported the first cases of COVID-19, the Wall Street Journal reported on Sunday, citing a U.S. intelligence report.
The newspaper said the previously undisclosed report - which provides fresh details on the number of researchers affected, the timing of their illnesses, and their hospital visits - may add weight to calls for a broader investigation into whether the COVID-19 virus could have escaped from the laboratory.
The Journal said current and former officials familiar with the intelligence expressed a range of views about the strength of the report's supporting evidence, with one unnamed person saying it needed "further investigation and additional corroboration."
The first cases of what would eventually be known as COVID-19 were reported at the end of December 2019 in the central Chinese city of Wuhan, where the advanced laboratory specialising in coronavirus research is located.
Chinese scientists and officials have consistently rejected the lab leak hypothesis, saying SARS-CoV-2 could have been circulating in other regions before it hit Wuhan, and might have even entered China from another country via imported frozen food shipments or wildlife trading.
China's foreign ministry spokesman, Zhao Lijian, said on Monday that it was "completely untrue" that three members of staff at WIV had fallen ill.
"The United States continues to hype up the lab leak theory," he said. "Does it care about traceability or is it just trying to distract attention?"
The Journal report came on the eve of a meeting of the World Health Organization's decision-making body, which is expected to discuss the next phase of an investigation into the origins of COVID-19.
Asked about the report, WHO spokesman Tarik Jasarevic said via email that the organisation's technical teams were now deciding on the next steps. He said further study was needed into the role of animal markets as well as the lab leak hypothesis.
A U.S. National Security Council spokeswoman had no comment on the report but said the Biden administration continued to have "serious questions about the earliest days of the COVID-19 pandemic, including its origins within the Peoples Republic of China."
She said the U.S. government was working with the WHO and other member states to support an expert-driven evaluation of the pandemic's origins "that is free from interference or politicization."
"We're not going to make pronouncements that prejudge an ongoing WHO study into the source of SARS-CoV-2, but we've been clear that sound and technically credible theories should be thoroughly evaluated by international experts," she said.
A joint study into the origins of COVID-19 by the WHO and China published at the end of March said it was "extremely unlikely" that it had escaped from a lab.
But China was accused of failing to disclose raw data on early COVID-19 cases to the WHO team, and the United States, the European Union and other Western countries called on Beijing to grant "full access" to independent experts.
A State Department fact sheet released near the end of the Trump administration said "the U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses." It did not say how many researchers.
(Reporting by David Shepardson and Andrea Shalal; additional reporting by Gabriel Crossley in Beijing, David Stanway in Shanghai and Stephanie Nebehay in Geneva; Editing by Daniel Wallis and Andrew Heavens)
https://news.yahoo.com/wuhan-lab-staff-sought-hospital-215837238.html?guccounter=1
Probably the best discussion of the origins of the virus, and the attempt by various parties to mislead the public is found here. The author is a former New York Times science reporter:
https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
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https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
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I was in Shanghai when the virus emerged in Hubei Province at the end of December 2019, none of the Chinese people I worked with, some of them from Hubei, believed the official story of it originating in the wet market and there being no links with the virology institute. There was a crackdown on Chinese social media such as Weibo and WeChat by the censors at the start of January 2020 to prevent people from sharing data. Journalists and healthcare professionals that tried to speak up in Hubei were silenced and arrested.
The guileless clowns that keep defending the CCP are worth contempt.
The following article is a pretty good summary of how the mainstream media misled the people.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...edia-theory-china-wuhan-lab-cotton-trump.html
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Are you saying Covid19 is a man made virus?
You have to be clear about what you mean by "man made"?
A virus made by taking bits and pieces of different viruses is man made. The covid virus doesn't seem to have been created in this manner.
However, a virus taken from nature and given conditions in a lab where its mutations are selected on the basis of whether they can infect humans can also be called man made. This is called "gain of function" research. There is quite a bit of support for the covid virus having been created by such a process.
It is documented that Shi was doing "gain of function" research in the Wuhan lab. From the article by Wade:
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Both are defintions of man made. I know what gain of function is, this is a very serious experiment of using virus, making them mega-viruses and then finding some sort of cure.
So you believe it's man made. I also have reservations of it being a natural virus, so im not totally disagreeing.
The question then arises, if China is behind this virus due to gain of function experiments or is there another power behind it?
Did you know the US was funding the Wuhan lab?
There are many reasons to believe that virus came from the Wuhan lab, though nothing can be determined with 100% certainty if the Chinese government doesn't share data.
For example, if there was an animal from which the virus jumped to humans then other animals of this specie would show the presence of the virus. No specie has been found.
I doubt the US was trying to develop bioweapons in a Chinese lab.
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Chinese state media is turning on Fauci amid Wuhan lab controversy
Hong Kong (CNN)After weeks of facing fierce attacks from Republicans, top US infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci now has a new critic: Chinese state media.
"US elites degenerate further in morality, and Fauci is one of them," was the headline of a blistering opinion piece penned by Hu Xijin, editor-in-chief of the state-run Global Times this week.
In the article Hu accused the top US infectious disease expert of "fanning a huge lie against China" by hyping the theory that the coronavirus was leaked from a Wuhan lab. Another article in the Global Times declared that Fauci had "betrayed Chinese scientists."
The anger is centered on Fauci's remarks this month that he is no longer convinced the Covid-19 pandemic originated naturally.
"I think we should continue to investigate what went on in China until we continue to find out to the best of our ability what happened," said the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at a fact-checking symposium on May 11.
The comments appear to be a shift from Fauci's earlier view that the disease likely was the result of animal to human transmission.
Fauci's comments were followed by a Wall Street Journal exclusive, citing a US intelligence report, that said three researchers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology became sick enough in November 2019 that they sought hospital care — a revelation that, if true, could add weight to growing calls for further investigation into whether the coronavirus may have escaped from the Chinese lab.
Unsurprisingly, China has vehemently refuted the report, echoing its repeated dismissal of any allegations that link the origin of the virus to the lab. Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the report was "totally inconsistent with the facts" and a director at the lab called the report "a complete lie."
In the meantime, Chinese state media has lashed out at Fauci, saying he has joined an "opinion war against China."
The attack on Fauci is an about-face from the positive portrayal of him in earlier coverage. Last year, as Fauci repeatedly spoke out against the Trump administration's handling of the pandemic, Chinese state media published glowing reports praising the scientist for his professionalism and courage to speak the truth.
Fauci has since attempted to clarify his remarks. On Tuesday, he told CBS News correspondent Weijia Jiang that his opinion about the origins of Covid-19 have not changed and still believes that its origin in nature is "highly likely."
"Since no one is 100% sure, he's open to a thorough investigation. Dr. Fauci said that does not mean he believes the virus first emerged in a lab, as some have suggested," Jiang wrote on Twitter.
Whether that will redeem his image in China, however, remains unclear.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/26/china/china-wuhan-lab-coronavirus-mic-intl-hnk/index.html
Hong Kong (CNN)After weeks of facing fierce attacks from Republicans, top US infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci now has a new critic: Chinese state media.
"US elites degenerate further in morality, and Fauci is one of them," was the headline of a blistering opinion piece penned by Hu Xijin, editor-in-chief of the state-run Global Times this week.
In the article Hu accused the top US infectious disease expert of "fanning a huge lie against China" by hyping the theory that the coronavirus was leaked from a Wuhan lab. Another article in the Global Times declared that Fauci had "betrayed Chinese scientists."
The anger is centered on Fauci's remarks this month that he is no longer convinced the Covid-19 pandemic originated naturally.
"I think we should continue to investigate what went on in China until we continue to find out to the best of our ability what happened," said the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at a fact-checking symposium on May 11.
The comments appear to be a shift from Fauci's earlier view that the disease likely was the result of animal to human transmission.
Fauci's comments were followed by a Wall Street Journal exclusive, citing a US intelligence report, that said three researchers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology became sick enough in November 2019 that they sought hospital care — a revelation that, if true, could add weight to growing calls for further investigation into whether the coronavirus may have escaped from the Chinese lab.
Unsurprisingly, China has vehemently refuted the report, echoing its repeated dismissal of any allegations that link the origin of the virus to the lab. Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the report was "totally inconsistent with the facts" and a director at the lab called the report "a complete lie."
In the meantime, Chinese state media has lashed out at Fauci, saying he has joined an "opinion war against China."
The attack on Fauci is an about-face from the positive portrayal of him in earlier coverage. Last year, as Fauci repeatedly spoke out against the Trump administration's handling of the pandemic, Chinese state media published glowing reports praising the scientist for his professionalism and courage to speak the truth.
Fauci has since attempted to clarify his remarks. On Tuesday, he told CBS News correspondent Weijia Jiang that his opinion about the origins of Covid-19 have not changed and still believes that its origin in nature is "highly likely."
"Since no one is 100% sure, he's open to a thorough investigation. Dr. Fauci said that does not mean he believes the virus first emerged in a lab, as some have suggested," Jiang wrote on Twitter.
Whether that will redeem his image in China, however, remains unclear.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/26/china/china-wuhan-lab-coronavirus-mic-intl-hnk/index.html
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US President Joe Biden has ordered intelligence agencies to investigate the emergence of Covid-19, amid growing controversy about the virus's origins.
In a statement, Mr Biden asked US intelligence groups to "redouble their efforts" and report to him within 90 days.
Covid-19 was first detected in the Chinese city of Wuhan in late 2019.
More than 168 million cases have since been confirmed worldwide and at least 3.5 million deaths reported.
Authorities linked early Covid cases to a seafood market in Wuhan, and scientists believed the virus first passed to humans from animals.
But recent US media reports suggest growing evidence the virus could instead have emerged from a laboratory in China.
Beijing has condemned the reports and suggested it could have come from a US laboratory instead.
In a statement, Mr Biden asked US intelligence groups to "redouble their efforts" and report to him within 90 days.
Covid-19 was first detected in the Chinese city of Wuhan in late 2019.
More than 168 million cases have since been confirmed worldwide and at least 3.5 million deaths reported.
Authorities linked early Covid cases to a seafood market in Wuhan, and scientists believed the virus first passed to humans from animals.
But recent US media reports suggest growing evidence the virus could instead have emerged from a laboratory in China.
Beijing has condemned the reports and suggested it could have come from a US laboratory instead.
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China has denounced US efforts to further investigate whether Covid-19 came from a Chinese lab.
US President Joe Biden has called on intelligence officials to "redouble" their work to find out how the virus was first transmitted to humans.
China's foreign ministry accused the US of "political manipulation and blame shifting".
It has rejected any link between Covid-19 and a virus research lab in the Chinese city of Wuhan.
Covid-19 was first detected in Wuhan in late 2019. Since then, more than 168 million cases have been confirmed worldwide and about 3.5 million deaths reported.
Authorities linked early Covid cases to a seafood market in Wuhan, leading scientists to theorise that the virus had first passed to humans from animals.
But recent US media reports have suggested growing evidence the virus could instead have emerged from a laboratory in China, perhaps through an accidental leak.
BBC
US President Joe Biden has called on intelligence officials to "redouble" their work to find out how the virus was first transmitted to humans.
China's foreign ministry accused the US of "political manipulation and blame shifting".
It has rejected any link between Covid-19 and a virus research lab in the Chinese city of Wuhan.
Covid-19 was first detected in Wuhan in late 2019. Since then, more than 168 million cases have been confirmed worldwide and about 3.5 million deaths reported.
Authorities linked early Covid cases to a seafood market in Wuhan, leading scientists to theorise that the virus had first passed to humans from animals.
But recent US media reports have suggested growing evidence the virus could instead have emerged from a laboratory in China, perhaps through an accidental leak.
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Hypocrisy rears its ugly head again, if mainstream media had played an honest role at the start of the crisis instead of tedious grandstanding against Donald Trump, maybe China won't have gotten away with the biggest state crime perpetrated on the planet since WWII.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/may/27/facebook-lifts-ban-on-posts-claiming-covid-19-was-man-made
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/may/27/facebook-lifts-ban-on-posts-claiming-covid-19-was-man-made
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Lab Or Human Contact? US Intelligence Community Divided On COVID-19 Origin
A statement from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) describes an intelligence community split over competing theories for the origin of virus.
Washington: The US intelligence community on Thursday acknowledged its agencies had two theories on where COVID-19 originated, with two agencies believing it emerged naturally from human contact with infected animals and a third embracing a possible laboratory accident as the source of the global pandemic.
A statement from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) describes an intelligence community split over competing theories for the origin of virus.
"The US Intelligence Community does not know exactly where, when, or how the COVID-19 virus was transmitted initially but has coalesced around two likely scenarios," the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) said, adding that the majority believes there is not "sufficient information to assess one to be more likely than the other."
"While two elements of the IC lean toward the former scenario and one leans more toward the latter - each with low or moderate confidence - the majority of elements within the IC do not believe there is sufficient information to assess one to be more likely than the other," Assistant Director of National Intelligence for Strategic Communications Amanda Schoch said in a statement, referring to the FBI, Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency.
A statement from President Biden on Wednesday ordered the intelligence community to redouble its efforts to ascertain the origins of the virus and "report back to me in 90 days."
"As part of that report, I have asked for areas of further inquiry that may be required, including specific questions for China," Biden said in a statement.
Post President Biden's statement China's U.S. embassy said politicising the origins of COVID-19 would hamper further investigations and undermine global efforts to curb the pandemic. The embassy said on Thursday that "some political forces have been fixated on political manipulation and (the) blame game."
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chinas-wuhan-lab-or-human-contact-us-intelligence-community-divided-on-covid-19-origin-2450862
A statement from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) describes an intelligence community split over competing theories for the origin of virus.
Washington: The US intelligence community on Thursday acknowledged its agencies had two theories on where COVID-19 originated, with two agencies believing it emerged naturally from human contact with infected animals and a third embracing a possible laboratory accident as the source of the global pandemic.
A statement from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) describes an intelligence community split over competing theories for the origin of virus.
"The US Intelligence Community does not know exactly where, when, or how the COVID-19 virus was transmitted initially but has coalesced around two likely scenarios," the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) said, adding that the majority believes there is not "sufficient information to assess one to be more likely than the other."
"While two elements of the IC lean toward the former scenario and one leans more toward the latter - each with low or moderate confidence - the majority of elements within the IC do not believe there is sufficient information to assess one to be more likely than the other," Assistant Director of National Intelligence for Strategic Communications Amanda Schoch said in a statement, referring to the FBI, Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency.
A statement from President Biden on Wednesday ordered the intelligence community to redouble its efforts to ascertain the origins of the virus and "report back to me in 90 days."
"As part of that report, I have asked for areas of further inquiry that may be required, including specific questions for China," Biden said in a statement.
Post President Biden's statement China's U.S. embassy said politicising the origins of COVID-19 would hamper further investigations and undermine global efforts to curb the pandemic. The embassy said on Thursday that "some political forces have been fixated on political manipulation and (the) blame game."
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chinas-wuhan-lab-or-human-contact-us-intelligence-community-divided-on-covid-19-origin-2450862
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India Supports Calls For Detailed Studies On Origins Of Coronavirus
There were growing demands by several countries to investigate whether the virus originated in China's Wuhan in late 2019 from an animal source or from a lab accident in December 2019.
New Delhi: India on Friday supported renewed global calls for a comprehensive investigation by the WHO into the origins of COVID-19, days after US President Joe Biden asked American intelligence agencies to find out how coronavirus emerged in China.
There were growing demands by a sizeable number of countries including the US and Australia to investigate whether the virus originated in the Chinese city of Wuhan in late 2019 from an animal source or from a laboratory accident in December 2019.
In March, the World Health Organisation (WHO) came out with a report on the origins of the virus but it had failed to meet the expectations of the US and several other leading countries.
External Affairs Ministry Spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said the follow up of the WHO report and further studies deserve the understanding and cooperation of all.
"The WHO convened global study on the origin of COVID-19 is an important first step. It stressed the need for next phase studies as also for further data and studies to reach robust conclusions," he said.
Mr Bagchi was responding to media queries on the issue.
"The follow up of the WHO report and further studies deserve the understanding and cooperation of all," he said.
During the probe by the WHO earlier this year, the US and several other countries expressed concerns over Chinese authorities not providing complete data to the WHO team probing the origin of the virus.
President Biden had on Wednesday ordered the US intelligence agencies to "redouble" their efforts in investigating the emergence of the deadly COVID-19 pandemic and report back to him in 90 days.
"I have now asked the intelligence community to redouble their efforts to collect and analyse information that could bring us closer to a definitive conclusion, and to report back to me in 90 days," Biden had said.
"As part of that report, I have asked for areas of further inquiry that may be required, including specific questions for China. I have also asked that this effort include work by our national labs and other agencies of our government to augment the intelligence community's efforts," the US president had said.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-supports-calls-for-detailed-studies-on-origins-of-coronavirus-2451193
There were growing demands by several countries to investigate whether the virus originated in China's Wuhan in late 2019 from an animal source or from a lab accident in December 2019.
New Delhi: India on Friday supported renewed global calls for a comprehensive investigation by the WHO into the origins of COVID-19, days after US President Joe Biden asked American intelligence agencies to find out how coronavirus emerged in China.
There were growing demands by a sizeable number of countries including the US and Australia to investigate whether the virus originated in the Chinese city of Wuhan in late 2019 from an animal source or from a laboratory accident in December 2019.
In March, the World Health Organisation (WHO) came out with a report on the origins of the virus but it had failed to meet the expectations of the US and several other leading countries.
External Affairs Ministry Spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said the follow up of the WHO report and further studies deserve the understanding and cooperation of all.
"The WHO convened global study on the origin of COVID-19 is an important first step. It stressed the need for next phase studies as also for further data and studies to reach robust conclusions," he said.
Mr Bagchi was responding to media queries on the issue.
"The follow up of the WHO report and further studies deserve the understanding and cooperation of all," he said.
During the probe by the WHO earlier this year, the US and several other countries expressed concerns over Chinese authorities not providing complete data to the WHO team probing the origin of the virus.
President Biden had on Wednesday ordered the US intelligence agencies to "redouble" their efforts in investigating the emergence of the deadly COVID-19 pandemic and report back to him in 90 days.
"I have now asked the intelligence community to redouble their efforts to collect and analyse information that could bring us closer to a definitive conclusion, and to report back to me in 90 days," Biden had said.
"As part of that report, I have asked for areas of further inquiry that may be required, including specific questions for China. I have also asked that this effort include work by our national labs and other agencies of our government to augment the intelligence community's efforts," the US president had said.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-supports-calls-for-detailed-studies-on-origins-of-coronavirus-2451193
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The US was funding work in Wuhan, surprised you dont know this. One being EcoHealth Alliance. The US has its won bioweapons labs of course but they were involved in Wuhan, its silly to deny this.
Maybe it wasnt the Chinese but the US, who released a virus to blame China?
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So US released a virus in China, then 100s of 1000s of Americans died of it.
Read what I wrote carefully.
I did not say the US was not funding Wuhan.
I said it wasn't trying to develop bioweapons in Wuhan. The US may or may not have bioweapons programs in the US, but to think it was trying to develop bioweapons in Wuhan which was easily accessible to the Chinese Army is absurd.
If you think that the US deliberately released the virus with the goal of blaming China, I really don't have time for this kind of nonsense.
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I never suggested this is what I think or believe. Im asking you if you are also keeping this option on the table with an open mind? In Oct 2019 there was a world military games in Wuhan, with US personnell present. There are reports of an American contracting the virus soon after back in the US.
When you are funding a lab which is experimenting with viruses you have to accept some sort of responsiblity with their work too.
Please go ahead and explain what you BELIEVE? Was it an accident or deliberate attempt by China to release a man made virus?
3 things I believe are most likely:
1) The virus came from the Wuhan lab. No animal has been found with virus in spite of an extensive search.
https://nypost.com/2021/05/28/inside-chinas-exhaustive-search-for-covid-positive-animals/
2) The Chinese military engages in bioweapons research and collaborates with the different virus labs in China.
3) It was an accidental release. The Chinese are crazy enough to do "gain of function" virus research without proper safeguards, but not that crazy to release the virus deliberately.
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This is what the US might claim in the coming months. China will of course refute this. What next? US and the world will wage war on China? Also why arent the US or Indian government openly stating this? Surely they know as much as you do.
Don't forget that Chinese banks invested/loaned $2.5 billion to a private equity firm partly owned by Biden's drug-addict son Hunter. Biden is going to make a lot of noise but not going to take any strong action against the Chinese.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-we-know-about-hunter-bidens-dealings-in-china-11570181403
India is probably waiting for more facts to come, which will most likely come from US investigations. India is not united, it is a democracy. So whatever the government says, it has to say carefully.
Even if India came out and said openly that the virus came from a Chinese lab doing "gain of function" research, how will it benefit India? It can only benefit if it acts together with the Western countries, not if it goes at it alone. Have to wait for a year or so to see where this goes.
What Western democracies, Japan and India should do is to cut off economic ties with China as long as it is ruled by the Chinese Communist Party (which also is committing genocide against the Uyghurs). However these are democracies, so they are soft and won't take action which will mean real change. There are enough lobbies in these countries (to which Hunter Biden also belongs) which profit from China trade, and these lobbies will block real action.
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If China knowingly hasnt told the world it came from a lab & from their research it can be classed as an act of war with millions dying while in China more have prob died of falling over. China holds US $ bonds, is the biggest trader on Earth, has a powerful military etc. Nothing can be done to China, prob best for India to accept it and move on.
It may be an act of war, but obviously no one is going to start lobbing missiles. We live in an era of nukes, and war is not an option.
But continuing with business as usual should not be an option too. The idiot Democrats in the US have put a huge number of sanctions on Russia but when it comes to China they do nothing. Maybe if they stopped being so stupid something could be done.
India alone won't do anything other than maybe some sort of economic retaliation (like kicking Huawei out), but this needs action by the democracies working together against CPC.
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British spies believe Wuhan Covid lab leak theory is ‘feasible’: Report
The hypothesis of the introduction of Covid-19 through a laboratory incident had gained a lot of traction in the early days of the pandemic but was largely dismissed as a conspiracy theory.
The controversy around the possible leak of the Sars-CoV-2 virus from the Chinese city of Wuhan has received another boost. According to a Sunday Times report, British intelligence officials believe it is “feasible” that the pandemic began after a virus leak from a Wuhan laboratory. The British spies are now investigating the theory of a possible leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, according to the report.
Quoting people familiar with the development, the British daily said that a recent reassessment of the possible source of coronavirus disease (Covid-19) has prompted UK intelligence to investigate the lab leak theory. Sharing renewed concerns over virus origin, American diplomatic sources said that the world is “one wet market or bio lab away from the next spillover”, reported The Sunday Times.
The hypothesis of the introduction of Sars-CoV-2 through a laboratory incident had gained a lot of traction in the early days of the pandemic but was largely dismissed as a conspiracy theory. A global study, convened by the World Health Organization (WHO), also deemed it “extremely unlikely” after international experts visited Wuhan in January this year.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/british-spies-believe-wuhan-covid-lab-leak-theory-is-feasible-report-101622374947571.html
The hypothesis of the introduction of Covid-19 through a laboratory incident had gained a lot of traction in the early days of the pandemic but was largely dismissed as a conspiracy theory.
The controversy around the possible leak of the Sars-CoV-2 virus from the Chinese city of Wuhan has received another boost. According to a Sunday Times report, British intelligence officials believe it is “feasible” that the pandemic began after a virus leak from a Wuhan laboratory. The British spies are now investigating the theory of a possible leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, according to the report.
Quoting people familiar with the development, the British daily said that a recent reassessment of the possible source of coronavirus disease (Covid-19) has prompted UK intelligence to investigate the lab leak theory. Sharing renewed concerns over virus origin, American diplomatic sources said that the world is “one wet market or bio lab away from the next spillover”, reported The Sunday Times.
The hypothesis of the introduction of Sars-CoV-2 through a laboratory incident had gained a lot of traction in the early days of the pandemic but was largely dismissed as a conspiracy theory. A global study, convened by the World Health Organization (WHO), also deemed it “extremely unlikely” after international experts visited Wuhan in January this year.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/british-spies-believe-wuhan-covid-lab-leak-theory-is-feasible-report-101622374947571.html
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Find Covid-19 Origin Or Face "Covid-26 And Covid-32", Warn US Experts
A World Health Organization report released in March didn't fully uncover the virus's origin but called a lab leak unlikely. The global health body called for more investigation at that time.
The world needs the cooperation of the Chinese government to trace the origins of Covid-19 and prevent future pandemic threats, two leading U.S. disease experts said Sunday.
Information to support the theory that the SARS-CoV-2 virus may have escaped from a lab in Wuhan, China, has increased, said Scott Gottlieb, a commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration in the Trump administration who now sits on the board of Pfizer Inc.
China hasn't provided evidence to disprove that theory, while the search for signs that the virus emerged from wildlife hasn't yielded results, Gottlieb said on CBS News's "Face the Nation."
Not knowing how the pandemic started puts the world at risk of future outbreaks, Peter Hotez, co-director of the Texas Children's Hospital Center for Vaccine Development, said in a separate TV appearance.
"There's going to be Covid-26 and Covid-32 unless we fully understand the origins of Covid-19," Hotez said on NBC's "Meet the press."
Almost a year and half after the new pathogen was first detected spreading in a seafood market in Wuhan, China, the precise origins of the virus remain obscure. Scientists have hypothesized that it most likely spread from wild animals to humans. The idea that the virus may have accidentally escaped from a research lab, long promoted by some Republicans, has gotten renewed attention from the Biden administration.
In a surprise statement on Wednesday, President Joe Biden called for a renewed investigation into the virus's emergence. U.S. intelligence agencies had conflicting assessments of whether it was more likely the virus crossed the species barrier from a natural reservoir or leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Biden said. He ordered the agencies to "redouble their efforts" and report to him again in 90 days.
Debate over the virus's origin was fueled anew by a Wall Street Journal report on May 23 that three researchers from China's Wuhan Institute of Virology became sick enough in November 2019 that they sought hospital care for "symptoms consistent with both Covid-19 and common seasonal illness."
Scientists should be allowed to conduct a long-term investigation in China and take blood samples from humans and animals, Hotez said. The U.S. should pressure China, including with the threat of sanctions, to allow for an inquiry.
"We need a team of scientists, epidemiologists, virologists, bat ecologists in Hubei province for a six-month, year-long period," Hotez said.
Chinese officials have disputed the Wuhan lab theory. Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian on Thursday dismissed Biden's inquiry as an attempt to engage in "stigmatization, political manipulation and blame-shifting."
A World Health Organization report released in March didn't fully uncover the virus's origin but called a lab leak unlikely. The global health body called for more investigation at that time.
"As far as WHO is concerned, all hypotheses remain on the table," Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in a statement when the March report was released.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/find-covid-19-origin-or-face-covid-26-and-covid-32-warn-us-experts-2452694?pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll
A World Health Organization report released in March didn't fully uncover the virus's origin but called a lab leak unlikely. The global health body called for more investigation at that time.
The world needs the cooperation of the Chinese government to trace the origins of Covid-19 and prevent future pandemic threats, two leading U.S. disease experts said Sunday.
Information to support the theory that the SARS-CoV-2 virus may have escaped from a lab in Wuhan, China, has increased, said Scott Gottlieb, a commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration in the Trump administration who now sits on the board of Pfizer Inc.
China hasn't provided evidence to disprove that theory, while the search for signs that the virus emerged from wildlife hasn't yielded results, Gottlieb said on CBS News's "Face the Nation."
Not knowing how the pandemic started puts the world at risk of future outbreaks, Peter Hotez, co-director of the Texas Children's Hospital Center for Vaccine Development, said in a separate TV appearance.
"There's going to be Covid-26 and Covid-32 unless we fully understand the origins of Covid-19," Hotez said on NBC's "Meet the press."
Almost a year and half after the new pathogen was first detected spreading in a seafood market in Wuhan, China, the precise origins of the virus remain obscure. Scientists have hypothesized that it most likely spread from wild animals to humans. The idea that the virus may have accidentally escaped from a research lab, long promoted by some Republicans, has gotten renewed attention from the Biden administration.
In a surprise statement on Wednesday, President Joe Biden called for a renewed investigation into the virus's emergence. U.S. intelligence agencies had conflicting assessments of whether it was more likely the virus crossed the species barrier from a natural reservoir or leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Biden said. He ordered the agencies to "redouble their efforts" and report to him again in 90 days.
Debate over the virus's origin was fueled anew by a Wall Street Journal report on May 23 that three researchers from China's Wuhan Institute of Virology became sick enough in November 2019 that they sought hospital care for "symptoms consistent with both Covid-19 and common seasonal illness."
Scientists should be allowed to conduct a long-term investigation in China and take blood samples from humans and animals, Hotez said. The U.S. should pressure China, including with the threat of sanctions, to allow for an inquiry.
"We need a team of scientists, epidemiologists, virologists, bat ecologists in Hubei province for a six-month, year-long period," Hotez said.
Chinese officials have disputed the Wuhan lab theory. Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian on Thursday dismissed Biden's inquiry as an attempt to engage in "stigmatization, political manipulation and blame-shifting."
A World Health Organization report released in March didn't fully uncover the virus's origin but called a lab leak unlikely. The global health body called for more investigation at that time.
"As far as WHO is concerned, all hypotheses remain on the table," Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in a statement when the March report was released.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/find-covid-19-origin-or-face-covid-26-and-covid-32-warn-us-experts-2452694?pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll
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The problem is that Chinese companies have pre-empted this by investing and setting up operations in Vietnam and Thailand. During Trump's trade war, a lot of Chinese goods were conveniently repackaged as originating from Vietnam and exported to the US. Some of these companies, including a renewables manufacturer I know first-hand, were clumsy with the packaging and are currently fighting lawsuits in the US.
The world is paying a huge price for the west's complacency towards China over the last three decades. The fact that the Democratic establishment in the US are now practically carrying on Trump's policy against China tells you all you need to know about the horrendous crime that has been perpetrated over the last 18 months.
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