"Today, India is in far greater turmoil from a security perspective than Pakistan" : Ehsan Mani

[Ronaldo7]

Ok so hoping Ehsan Mani says India's GDP is better than UK and all companies should invest there and we should have a better investment rating than UK.

I'm not arguing about Pakistan's safety but Ehsan Mani's comment on India and your comparison of GTI.

Is there a way to measure terrorism per capita or something? because there is a way to measure GDP per capita so that's our reliable method and the UK is far ahead of India here.

So if there is no method which is more accurate than the one I've shown then we just have to compare the two using that as we don't have a better method

 

[Ronaldo7]

How? Known though an equation of Physics? Or known because it has happened before?

Alright then. i'll correct myself. It's my ASSUMPTION.

 

[ahsan17]

Is there a way to measure terrorism per capita or something? because there is a way to measure GDP per capita so that's our reliable method and the UK is far ahead of India here.

So if there is no method which is more accurate than the one I've shown then we just have to compare the two using that as we don't have a better method

These discussions are fine to have on forums. But it's not fine for PCB to make these comments publicly. Like I said, they can make the same point independently on its merit.

With respect to terrorism per capita, that's actually not a real thing. All measures I have seen w.r.t terrorism in statistics and indices such as GTI use absolute numbers rather than per capita.

 

[muqarrab]

Yes, Pakistan is much safer than India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka. Infact it's the subcontinent's utopia.

Have you been to pakistan? Bangladesh board has been on BCCI's leash for far too long. No single cricket board did more damage then BCB to project of bringing back cricket to pakistan. BD is no less or no more safer than India and BD, or sri lanka for that matter. Take your cynicism back to Dhaka.

 

[Ronaldo7]

These discussions are fine to have on forums. But it's not fine for PCB to make these comments publicly. Like I said, they can make the same point independently on its merit.

With respect to terrorism per capita, that's actually not a real thing. All measures I have seen w.r.t terrorism in statistics and indices such as GTI use absolute numbers rather than per capita.

which is what i'm saying. This is the most accurate method we have to measure terrorism in a country and we should use this to compare it. Every comparison method has a flaw that doesn't mean it's unreliable

 

[jnaveen1980]

You want to convince other countries by saying how safe your country is not how unsafe other country is lol. For one thing including Pakistanis like Akram, Rameez visit India without any super duper military protection. Many pakistanis who migrated to other countries also face no issues. Teams come here, celebrate, party, go out. India is the largest democracy in the world. Disagreements are allowed not suppressed. Only the paid hooligans and NGOs try to cause destabilization through missionaries and other such ilks. Incumbent government won with overwhelming majority. All the protests are carried out by bangladeshis. They continue make advancement in all the areas like science and technology. Foreign tourism is always on the rise. Medical tourism is really high. Many from western worlds come to India for cheaper and the same quality treatment. Why do many Bangladeshis flee from their country to settle down in INdia if they feel it is unsafe.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India regularly hosts world class athletes and sporting events.

So BCCI is not the factor.

Security is.

Posting stats here will mean nothing, if you cannot convince sportsmen to come and play.

 

[ahsan17]

India regularly hosts world class athletes and sporting events.

So BCCI is not the factor.

Security is.

Posting stats here will mean nothing, if you cannot convince sportsmen to come and play.

Why do statistics mean nothing? Statistics prove security concerns are not relevant anymore. Using statistics to disprove security concerns are the basis for convincing players to visit. If statistics don't convince them to visit then it points to irrationality and/or ill-intent on their side.

 

[JaDed]

Why do statistics mean nothing? Statistics prove security concerns are not relevant anymore. Using statistics to disprove security concerns are the basis for convincing players to visit. If statistics don't convince them to visit then it points to irrationality and/or ill-intent on their side.

That should be the case even before then, India was ranked #2 as per that report in 2002, yet everyone was touring us, we are #7 now, we were #2 as per that report for the longest time.

So clearly that report didn't mean anything to touring teams because maybe their govn takes diff criteria?

 

[Realromeo]

LOL ok, you wish. Scattered pathetic behviour is same as an international team getting attacked in a major city along with the security forces is the same right ?

 

[MenInG]

India regularly hosts world class athletes and sporting events.

So BCCI is not the factor.

Security is.

Posting stats here will mean nothing, if you cannot convince sportsmen to come and play.

Its about perception.

This is exactly what PCB is trying to explain to BCB

 

[Hasan123]

Why would we risk upsetting the BCCI again? We have some incompetent people in powerful positions. Even if India is not safe Mr Mani it has nothing to do with us.

 

[ahsan17]

That should be the case even before then, India was ranked #2 as per that report in 2002, yet everyone was touring us, we are #7 now, we were #2 as per that report for the longest time.

So clearly that report didn't mean anything to touring teams because maybe their govn takes diff criteria?

I am not even referring to the GTI report. I am referring to absolute amount of terrorist attacks/casualties on those attacks, as per SATP statistics. In 2002 the absolute amount of terrorist attacks weren't very high in India or Pakistan. But 2008 - 2014 the numbers were very high for Pakistan.

 

[jani_nasir]

Safety is relative

It is a good start, but will take some time e.g.,

1. When we no longer need to lock down big parts of the city to hold matches (unsustainable in the long run)

2. Spectators don't have to wait hours to go in and out of the stadium (people will just stop coming in eventually)

3. Visiting team needs to be able to leave the hotel room and enjoy the city and not be under constant security cover

So no, security situation is not better for visiting players.

 

[ZamanFan]

India is no different and even worse
We all know how visiting Australian team bus was attacked in Guwahati and windscreen was broken, during Patel protests tear gas shelling was done on spectators during India v South Africa and how crowd was cleared. We all are witnessing how liberal and pluralistic india is right now as well as when a city had to put curfew during an IPL match.

Some self-hating posters who try to side with Indians who are present on this forum in giving excuses why PAkistan should remain isolated or its players should not be able to play cricket abroad, is even more pathetic.

Making big deal about security preparation while staying mum when india or any other country does the same. Sri Lanka in the 90s also did this, creating a security cordon. Even though there is less alert level but the way our neighbourhood both in India and Afghanistan is in flames, there are miscreants who would try to take advantage.

Good on Mani he should troll more, enjoyed his statement.

 

[Ronaldo7]

It is a good start, but will take some time e.g.,

1. When we no longer need to lock down big parts of the city to hold matches (unsustainable in the long run)

2. Spectators don't have to wait hours to go in and out of the stadium (people will just stop coming in eventually)

3. Visiting team needs to be able to leave the hotel room and enjoy the city and not be under constant security cover

So no, security situation is not better for visiting players.

That will be only temporary. We don't want to take risks at this time.
When 5-10 tests are played without any issue then we'll feel assured that the players can have more freedom.

These measures are precautionary rather than reactionary

 

[ZamanFan]

It is a good start, but will take some time e.g.,

1. When we no longer need to lock down big parts of the city to hold matches (unsustainable in the long run)

2. Spectators don't have to wait hours to go in and out of the stadium (people will just stop coming in eventually)

3. Visiting team needs to be able to leave the hotel room and enjoy the city and not be under constant security cover

So no, security situation is not better for visiting players.

You need to update your hard disk at the top as some of your points are outdated.
Please recheck the security preparation of Karachi authorities as well as Sri Lankan team which is eating out as well as going around the city.

They are being given Presidential level security so there are SOPs that are needed to be followed.
As this has been demanded by the visiting boards, if they don't demand you won't see that much security and still the match would go normally.

 

[ZamanFan]

IPL compensates them that risk

You did'nt mention
by buying out Player associations like FICA,or using them to give statements against Pakistan.

Pakistan board does'nt follow India in having a anti-Pakistan marketing fund, perhaps they should also and highlight the situation in India. Off course as a rabid corrupt nation Indian's working out of a situation is 100K buyout but TRavel Advisory of a country can't be bought out. When Australia was playing T20 in Guwahati, Australian Govt. had issued Travel advisory as India had abrogated its black law AFSPA[a law where Ind soldier can commit any violation, rape, or war crime but can't be prosecuted legally] in districts of that state Assam. Pakistan should've used this against ACB and showed double face of security concerns of certain players and Indian internet users who have been more vocal than even Bangladeshi or Austrlaina on the security issue, wonder why?

 

[JaDed]

You did'nt mention
by buying out Player associations like FICA,or using them to give statements against Pakistan.

Pakistan board does'nt follow India in having a anti-Pakistan marketing fund, perhaps they should also and highlight the situation in India. Off course as a rabid corrupt nation Indian's working out of a situation is 100K buyout but TRavel Advisory of a country can't be bought out. When Australia was playing T20 in Guwahati, Australian Govt. had issued Travel advisory as India had abrogated its black law AFSPA[a law where Ind soldier can commit any violation, rape, or war crime but can't be prosecuted legally] in districts of that state Assam. Pakistan should've used this against ACB and showed double face of security concerns of certain players and Indian internet users who have been more vocal than even Bangladeshi or Austrlaina on the security issue, wonder why?

BCCI hasn't stopped NZ,Aus,Eng from touring even when we didn't have financial power, that's on you and your board.

FICA consults the players, the players clearly want money , give them money ,BCCI has nothing to do with this again.. PCB can whine and complain or strong arm them or pay them to come, choice is upto them.
Comparing with India and BCCI should also mean comparison about financial stuff about risk and reward then.

Indian posters or internet users haven't got anything to do with this, many cried immensely about racism in Aus too yet many went to study there..so yeah not sure what that is got to do with Aus,NZ,Eng cricketers and their board... don't think they will care what random Indian internet users have to say.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India is no different and even worse
We all know how visiting Australian team bus was attacked in Guwahati and windscreen was broken, during Patel protests tear gas shelling was done on spectators during India v South Africa and how crowd was cleared. We all are witnessing how liberal and pluralistic india is right now as well as when a city had to put curfew during an IPL match.

Some self-hating posters who try to side with Indians who are present on this forum in giving excuses why PAkistan should remain isolated or its players should not be able to play cricket abroad, is even more pathetic.

Making big deal about security preparation while staying mum when india or any other country does the same. Sri Lanka in the 90s also did this, creating a security cordon. Even though there is less alert level but the way our neighbourhood both in India and Afghanistan is in flames, there are miscreants who would try to take advantage.

Good on Mani he should troll more, enjoyed his statement.

You can't possibly compare one guy throwing one stone at a bus with terrorists launching a full blown attack on tourist bus ended up hurting a few. They agreed to tour on the grounds of security. But it was not adequate obviously. Check Usman Khawaja's statement. A pakistan born cricketer. Even he said he will come there only if the security is upto the mark.

 

[ahsan17]

You can't possibly compare one guy throwing one stone at a bus with terrorists launching a full blown attack on tourist bus ended up hurting a few. They agreed to tour on the grounds of security. But it was not adequate obviously. Check Usman Khawaja's statement. A pakistan born cricketer. Even he said he will come there only if the security is upto the mark.

That happened 10 years ago. Use data from recent times to make your point.

 

[jnaveen1980]

That happened 10 years ago. Use data from recent times to make your point.

Each team gets the assessment from their foreign ministry. So your guy ought to convince them. Imran khan has to convince their governments to send their teams. You have to look at their from point of view not from your point of view. It is not like India is preventing everyone from touring there. Let us say something bad happens in England. Will he have the balls to draw a parallel? I guess not. These soundbites serve no one except his country.

 

[happydavy]

There are riots happening in India at the moment. You should try and keep abreast of news. That is what Mani is referring to.

Suggest go to our TimePass section for more info.

Was in Barcelona last week to watch el classico, riots happened outside the stadium during the match. So much so that they shut down 50% of the exit gates but that didn't make barcelona unsafe for visitors. There is a difference between terrorism, when certain groups are out there to kill common citizens vs internal chaos, which are routine in a country like India.

 

[subbu]

I don't think money is the issue
Just few months after deadly Mumbai serial blasts in 1993 India hosted 5 Nation Hero cup . ..

And about protests and riots.. India faced even tougher situation during Babri masjid incident and Mandal commission.. But still India hosted international sporting events same time

early 90"s Bcci is neither rich nor a Super power in cricket... So it's not just about money

 

[MenInG]

Was in Barcelona last week to watch el classico, riots happened outside the stadium during the match. So much so that they shut down 50% of the exit gates but that didn't make barcelona unsafe for visitors. There is a difference between terrorism, when certain groups are out there to kill common citizens vs internal chaos, which are routine in a country like India.

And terrorism can be handled by good security around the team as demonstrated for SL, PSL etc

Lets get over this whole thing now.

 

[subbu]

With successful SL series Pakistan has proved they are ready for international cricket.. We can expect test series with WI, SA and Bangladesh series might be next in line

Australia and New Zealand bit tough

Australia has not toured Pakistan since late 90s and New Zealand since 2003

 

[cricketjoshila]

And terrorism can be handled by good security around the team as demonstrated for SL, PSL etc

Lets get over this whole thing now.

That it can be handled has to be believed by the players and boards.

If various countries believe that something cannot be handled then someone needs to understand that somewhere something is wrong in the way things are handled.

Saying XYZ is happening in ABC country isnt going to help your cause, it will only create more opponents to your cause.

Wasnt there a Ashes tour going during the London train bombings? The tour went on.

England went back after Mumbai attacks and came back with a month to play test matches.

UEFA match during Paris attacks.

There are numerous such examples.

Rather than dragging another country Ehsan Mani should have talked about Pakistan. Dont be surprised if tommorow BCCI creates issues for PCB for dragging their name into this.

 

[MenInG]

New Delhi: Board of Control for Cricket in India's (BCCI) vice-president Mahim Verma on Tuesday criticised Pakistan Cricket Board's chairman Ehsan Mand said he should worry about security in his own country first.

"They should look at security in their own country first and think about it first. We are capable enough to handle our country and security here," Verma told ANI.

On Monday, Mani had said that India is a far greater security risk as compared to Pakistan. His remarks had come after Pakistan's Test series win over Sri Lanka.

"We have proved that Pakistan is safe, if someone isn't coming then they should prove that it's unsafe. At this time, India is a far greater security risk than Pakistan,"Mani said in a press conference.

"No one should now doubt security arrangements in Pakistan after successful Sri Lanka Test series. This is a turning point for the revival of Test cricket in Pakistan. Media and fans played an important role in portraying a positive image of Pakistan worldwide," he added.
Test cricket had returned to Pakistan after ten years and the side managed to spring a win in front of their home crowd after almost a decade.

When Sri Lanka went to play the T20Is and ODIs in Pakistan earlier this year, few of the big names such as Lasith Malinga, Niroshan Dickwella had opted out of the tour due to security reasons.

The ten players were-- Lasith Malinga, Niroshan Dickwella, Kusal Janith Perera, Dhananjaya De Silva, Thisara Perera, Akila Dhananjaya, Angelo Mathews, Suranga Lakmal, Dinesh Chandimal and Dimuth Karunaratne.

When Lanka and Pakistan played the limited-overs leg earlier this year, the visitors had lost the ODI series 0-2 but they went on to win the T20I series 3-0.

This result in the T20Is also led to Sarfaraz Ahmed's sacking as the Pakistan skipper in T20Is and Tests.

In 2009, the Sri Lankan team was on their way to Gaddafi Stadium in Lahore for a Test match with Pakistan, when terrorists fired indiscriminately at their bus. That attack left eight people dead and injured seven Sri Lankan players and staff.

Since then, international cricket had eluded Pakistan with no high-profile team visiting the country for a full-length tour.

https://punemirror.indiatimes.com/s...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[MenInG]

The Indian cricket board (BCCI) criticised Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ehsan Mani after he took a dig at the security situation in India, calling it “a greater security risk than Pakistan”.

BCCI treasurer Arun Dhumal said: “For a person who stays mostly in London, it is inappropriate for him to comment anything on India’s security. He is not even eligible to comment on Pakistan’s security. He hardly stays there.” he told HT on Monday. “If he gets to spend more time in Pakistan, he would get to understand the real situation there,” Dhumal added.

Spoiler

Mani, a former International Cricket Council (ICC) president, made his comments while addressing a press conference in Karachi at the conclusion of the two-Test series against Sri Lanka, the first Test series hosted by Pakistan since the terror attacks on the Sri Lankan team bus during the Lahore match in March, 2009. “We have proved Pakistan is safe, if someone isn’t coming then they should prove that it’s unsafe. At this time, India is a far greater security risk than Pakistan,” media reports quoted Mani as saying in the press conference.

“No one should now doubt security arrangements in Pakistan after successful Sri Lanka Test series. This is a turning point for revival of Test cricket in Pakistan. Media and fans played an important role in portraying positive image of Pakistan worldwide,” Mani added. The PCB chairman further urged Bangladesh -- who are due to arrive in January for three T20Is and two Tests -- and other cricketing nations to visit Pakistan.

“We’re in talks with Bangladesh board. Not only Bangladesh, all the teams should have no doubt that PCB will host its home series in Pakistan only,” Mani said. “I’m hopeful that Bangladesh will tour Pakistan because there’s no reason of not touring. If Sri Lanka can tour Pakistan than why not others,” he added.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ts-in-india/story-OadpI1sIHLGeqKBORxTGsL.html

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

Yeah but what's the point of mentioning India here, if India is your comparison then maybe PCB should thinking financially as well can PSL pay as much as IPL.

Ehsan Mani and you have directly brought India in this situational comparison so you should be ready for all the comparisons now. Aus never stopped touring India even during those times of GTI being high.

This is the main difference. De Villiers wouldn't have workload issues if his PSL paycheck was as large as his IPL one. The reason India is able to lure in these countries financially is because of how they have developed a corporate cricket culture over there and created financial stability and also have so many people who follow the game. Countries want to play in India and against India because they know they'll rope in big TV contracts and whatnot. It's also why Ganguly can so easily propose this Super Series idea of his because he knows that he can get the backing of countries that will directly benefit from the affair.

Yes, security is a large factor. But, India is not miles better than Pakistan. It's just that the players are willing to go over there and deal with tight security for a few weeks because of the benefits they're getting.

 

[Ryw]

Arun Dumal can say whatever he wants but the reality is that Ehsan Mani is promoting cricket and Arun Dumal is trying his best to stop that from happening #justice

 

[ReverseHit]

UN designated terrorists in the country - Check
Global Terrorism Index report in November listing Pakistan above India - Check
Foreign Players being 'grounded' in their hotel for their safety - Check

But still can trust Karachi logic to come up with a gem where political protests on a very specific issue = India's security situation being worse than Pakistan

Pakistanis seem to have a 'look I'm not much worse, let me play too please' little guy complex. How else do I explain this statement from Mani? He could have just mentioned what the security situation in Pakistan is, but strange.

 

[Ronaldo7]

UN designated terrorists in the country - Check
Global Terrorism Index report in November listing Pakistan above India - Check
Foreign Players being 'grounded' in their hotel for their safety - Check

But still can trust Karachi logic to come up with a gem where political protests on a very specific issue = India's security situation being worse than Pakistan

Pakistanis seem to have a 'look I'm not much worse, let me play too please' little guy complex. How else do I explain this statement from Mani? He could have just mentioned what the security situation in Pakistan is, but strange.

There are UN designated terrorists in India as well though and there are many terror groups which have been banned by your government itself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organisations_banned_by_the_Government_of_India

For the second one, i've said multiple times that the data is from last year (2018) and looking at the current data and how the index is made, the 2020 edition (which has the 2019 data) will be a lot closer and Pakistan may even overtake India.

the third one is not even true. The Sri Lankan players went to malls, restaurants etc and them being 'grounded' was from the ODIs and that was due to us being overcautious not because there was a security threat.


All of this just tells me that you're ignorant.

So i'll advise you to do some reading and stop believing in misconceptions.

 

[Ronaldo7]

There aren't any UN designated terrorist groups in India , Mr. Mani.

No-one ever specifically targeted an international sports team with machine guns and hand grenades in broad daylight in India as far as I can remember.

How can someone be so ignorant?

Looks like your media told you all about the groups that operate in Pakistan but forgot to tell you which groups can pose danger to you.

Shame

 

[ReverseHit]

There are UN designated terrorists in India as well though and there are many terror groups which have been banned by your government itself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organisations_banned_by_the_Government_of_India

For the second one, i've said multiple times that the data is from last year (2018) and looking at the current data and how the index is made, the 2020 edition (which has the 2019 data) will be a lot closer and Pakistan may even overtake India.

the third one is not even true. The Sri Lankan players went to malls, restaurants etc and them being 'grounded' was from the ODIs and that was due to us being overcautious not because there was a security threat.


All of this just tells me that you're ignorant.

So i'll advise you to do some reading and stop believing in misconceptions.

Do you believe there is a difference between UN designated and those banned by GOI? There's a reason I specifically said UN designated. To my knowledge, there are none in India. If you do know of any, I'll update my beliefs.

So does Ehsan Mani already have access to 2019 data, or did he qualify his statement based on extrapolation of the trend line unto 2018? He specifically stated "today" - if no one has access to 2019 data, did he just make the claim out of his behind?

He was just trying to act cheeky and take a dig at India. You can call me ignorant, doesn't change the fact that he came out looking petty.

Going by his logic, if he felt the security situation in India was better than Pakistan, would that prompt him to ask teams to not come to Pakistan? He should have focused on the security situation in Pakistan - end of.

 

[Mesozoic]

How can someone be so ignorant?

Looks like your media told you all about the groups that operate in Pakistan but forgot to tell you which groups can pose danger to you.

Shame

Please educate me about those groups that can pose danger to me.

Or are you talking about the above Wikipedia link?

 

[Ronaldo7]

Please educate me about those groups that can pose danger to me.

Or are you talking about the above Wikipedia link?

Don't know what's so funny?

Are terror groups killing people funny to you?

Read my last post.

 

[Mesozoic]

Brother [MENTION=149383]Ronaldo7[/MENTION] ....

You are blatantly embarassing yourselves I'm afraid. JEM and LET have their headquarters in Bahawalpur and Multan(?) if I'm not wrong. I know you're desparate but know the facts before giving open air statements.

P.S - Muridge not Multan.

 

[Mesozoic]

Don't know what's so funny?

Are terror groups killing people funny to you?

Read my last post.

I'm not that desparate to "LoL" at terrorists killing people.

But I know somebody who is.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Brother [MENTION=149383]Ronaldo7[/MENTION] ....

You are blatantly embarassing yourselves I'm afraid. JEM and LET have their headquarters in Bahawalpur and Multan(?) if I'm not wrong. I know you're desparate but know the facts before giving open air statements.

P.S - Muridge not Multan.

So?

Do they operate in Pakistan?

Will they pose a threat to Pakistanis?

No is the answer if i believe what you're saying.

But they can target Indians as they did in 2001. They don't target Pakistanis.

I hope you know the difference between "based" and "operate".

Looks like i'm not the one who's embarrassing himself here...

 

[Mesozoic]

So?

Do they operate in Pakistan?

Will they pose a threat to Pakistanis?

No is the answer if i believe what you're saying.

But they can target Indians as they did in 2001. They don't target Pakistanis.

I hope you know the difference between "based" and "operate".

Looks like i'm not the one who's embarrassing himself here...

Oh wow. I mean.....

 

[Ronaldo7]

I still didn't see the UN list, which is what my original statement was premised on. Not sure why you are sending me the EU list.

So are you trying to say that the country that these terrorists groups attempt to target is more dangerous than the country that these terrorists groups are actually from?

I'm trying to use an example to make sure I understand - when Osama wanted to attack US and he was planning that from Afghanistan, US had a worse security situation than Afghanistan?

Daft comparison.

How are you comparing the US with India?

How many times before and after 9/11 have the US been targeted by groups like Al-Qaeda?
Barely any

That's not the case with India. You've been targeted many times.

i'm still laughing at this comparison lol

 

[Ronaldo7]

Oh wow. I mean.....

That's what i thought...

 

[cricketjoshila]

This thread just proves how the world doesnot see India through the perspective of Pakistan

And how whether its Butt,Ashraf,Sethi or Mani, PCB means India no good. May be if Bcci puts roadblocks in everything PCBs tries. May be then PCB will understand that they should not try to drag other people in their issues

 

[Ryw]

This thread just proves how the world doesnot see India through the perspective of Pakistan

And how whether its Butt,Ashraf,Sethi or Mani, PCB means India no good. May be if Bcci puts roadblocks in everything PCBs tries. May be then PCB will understand that they should not try to drag other people in their issues

Exactly this is what BCCI is doing, putting roadblocks in everything PCB tries. Mr Josshila next time when you sit in a BCCI `s meeting, tell them that BJP has exposed us infront of World

 

[cricketjoshila]

Exactly this is what BCCI is doing, putting roadblocks in everything PCB tries. Mr Josshila next time when you sit in a BCCI `s meeting, tell them that BJP has exposed us infront of World

Exposed? Lol. If Bcci needs to put roadblocks in front of PCB, it can say so openly and PCB cant do jack.

What makes you think BCCI needs to do things in hiding? What will PCB do?

Get out of your delusion that BCCI is putting roadblocks for PCB and its doing it from the shadows and it is afraid of being so cabloed exposed.

Bcci just needs to do one thing, just spread the word that if you play PSL, you will not be selected for IPL. Thats enough to kill off most of the foreign participation in PSL. So stop assuming that Bcci is interested in PCB.

But PCB is obsessed here.

 

[MRSN]

Height of incompetency not just Mani but who brought him as well. Mr. no political appointments Imran Khan. You are posted on the biggest post of PCB and you make such unprofessional statements that no diplomats will ever make.

 

[andy0204]

PCB must be patient on this matter.

 

[Ryw]

Exposed? Lol. If Bcci needs to put roadblocks in front of PCB, it can say so openly and PCB cant do jack.

What makes you think BCCI needs to do things in hiding? What will PCB do?

Get out of your delusion that BCCI is putting roadblocks for PCB and its doing it from the shadows and it is afraid of being so cabloed exposed.

Bcci just needs to do one thing, just spread the word that if you play PSL, you will not be selected for IPL. Thats enough to kill off most of the foreign participation in PSL. So stop assuming that Bcci is interested in PCB.

But PCB is obsessed here.

Come on, spread the word Stop all the foreign players from PSL, next time when you sit in BCCI 's meeting motivate them that if we can ban their actors in Bollywood why cant we ban foreign players from staying away from PSL. Continue bullying yes Mr Joshilla you can do it, go for it

 

[Test lover]

yes, Pakistan is safest countries in the world .then when will be Australia, England,NZ touring in Pakistan to play cricket ??

 

[Shazzam]

yes, Pakistan is safest countries in the world .then when will be Australia, England,NZ touring in Pakistan to play cricket ??

When there time comes up to tour us.

 

[Ronaldo7]

yes, Pakistan is safest countries in the world .then when will be Australia, England,NZ touring in Pakistan to play cricket ??

That face.
My God, that face is hideous.

 

[Shazzam]

I don’t know why we need to mention India in every press conference. Its getting desperate now.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Come on, spread the word Stop all the foreign players from PSL, next time when you sit in BCCI 's meeting motivate them that if we can ban their actors in Bollywood why cant we ban foreign players from staying away from PSL. Continue bullying yes Mr Joshilla you can do it, go for it

If PCB keeps poking BCCI, oneday BCCI will be forced to retaliate.

There was no need to drag BCCI and India in a matter that doesn't even remotely concerns BCCI or India.

Yes BCCI has the wherewithal to get players to ditch PSL if such a situation arise. I am not fortunate enough to attend a BCCI or CAB meeting,Yet.

 

[MRSN]

If PCB keeps poking BCCI, oneday BCCI will be forced to retaliate.

There was no need to drag BCCI and India in a matter that doesn't even remotely concerns BCCI or India.

Yes BCCI has the wherewithal to get players to ditch PSL if such a situation arise. I am not fortunate enough to attend a BCCI or CAB meeting,Yet.

to be really honest with you BCCI has bullied Pakistan for the past 7 years on every possible forum. PCB has done great to stay well and alive.

PCB has survived in the most tough phase of its life from 2007 to 17 but in last two years things have been improving for Pakistan cricket.

What else BCCI can do? They didn't play bilateral series that they MUST have played according to MOUs.
They have been denying our players in their league.
They have been blackmailing broadcasters for televising Pakistan matches.
They have been blackmailing foreign players for participating in the PSL.
They have humilated PCB's head in their ofdice when BJP goons disrespected and they forced him to leave their office in India.
They have had monopoly of staging any tournament outside Pakistan.
Pakistani commentators and umpires were forced to leave India from doing their duty.

The list can go on and on.

 

[cricketjoshila]

to be really honest with you BCCI has bullied Pakistan for the past 7 years on every possible forum. PCB has done great to stay well and alive.

PCB has survived in the most tough phase of its life from 2007 to 17 but in last two years things have been improving for Pakistan cricket.

What else BCCI can do? They didn't play bilateral series that they MUST have played according to MOUs.
They have been denying our players in their league.
They have been blackmailing broadcasters for televising Pakistan matches.
They have been blackmailing foreign players for participating in the PSL.
They have humilated PCB's head in their ofdice when BJP goons disrespected and they forced him to leave their office in India.
They have had monopoly of staging any tournament outside Pakistan.
Pakistani commentators and umpires were forced to leave India from doing their duty.

The list can go on and on.

1.BCCI doesnot have cricketing relationship with PCB. Thats not bullying, they are obeying the law of the land.

2. PCB first refused to send players for IPL. Since then BCCI has kept the door closed. Pcb or any board cannot bully Bcci and then expect that bcci wont retaliate.

3. Sethi is on record how bcci took care of him when he was in India. Then Bcci presidents wife was hosting him and his wife.


4. Bcci was under no obligation to tour as per MOU, it was proved in a arbitration. PCB had to foot legal costs.

5. Proof of bcci blackmailing broadcasters and players from playing in PSL?

6. What monopoly on tournaments?

 

[MenInG]

I can see why the reactions from BCCI...seems like some unease.

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As Assam witnessed protests against the Citizenship Amendment Act for the last couple of weeks, there were speculations that the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) could consider shifting out the first T20I between India and Sri Lanka from Guwahati.

But it has decided to go ahead with the T20I on January 5, ‘as per schedule’, and the Assam Cricket Association (ACA) is confident of hosting the fixture without any problems.

“Things are normal now. Like any other international matches, we will need to take necessary security measures, we will do that. (From our end), we are ready for the match,” ACA secretary Debojit Saikia told Sportstar

The BCCI had written to the ACA inquiring whether the Barsapara Stadium has facilities for training under lights. “We have informed the board that we have all the facilities available. The arrangement has been going on smoothly and there is no problem at all,” Saikia added.

Due to the protests, the Ranji Trophy fixture between Assam and Services was cancelled a few days ago, and the players remained in their hotels. Even an U-19 Cooch Behar Trophy match between Assam and Odisha in Nagaon was also called off.

“We were monitoring the situation and as of now, things look very positive. The match will go on as per schedule,” one of the BCCI functionaries, aware of the development, said, adding that the online ticket sales for the fixture will begin from Wednesday morning via Bookmyshow.

Once a dumping yard, the Barsapara Stadium hosted it's first T20I in 2017 when India played Australia. Last year, it hosted the first ODI between India and West Indies. Earlier this year, the Indian women’s side played a T20I against England at the venue.

The teams are likely to reach Guwahati two days before the fixture, but the association is yet to receive the final itinerary from the BCCI.

With not much time left for the three-match series to begin, it is believed that the final itinerary could be sent to all the three host associations after the BCCI Apex Council members meet in Mumbai on Thursday.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...ri-lanka-t20-cricket-news/article30390299.ece

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The BCCI and Assam Cricket Association (ACA) will be “closely monitoring” the security situation in Guwahati in the wake of protests against the Citizenship (Amendment) Bill, keeping in mind the January 5 T20 International between India and Sri Lanka.

Sri Lanka will tour India for a three-match T20 International series, starting at the Barsapara Stadium in Guwahati.

“Right now, we cannot comment on whether T20 International in Guwahati will happen or not. All the authorities (state Police, Home Ministry) will be monitoring the situation. We have to wait for some time. There are still three weeks to go so we have to be hopeful,” said Assam CA vice-president Parikshit Dutta.

Due to protests in Guwahati, the fourth day’s play in the Ranji Trophy match between Assam and Services was cancelled, and the players remained in their hotels.

Biding time

A U-19 Cooch Behar Trophy match between Assam and Odisha in Nagaun also had to be called off and the visiting team was forced to stay in a hotel on the highway to avoid conflict areas.

The Jharkhand team that completed its Ranji assignment against Tripura in Agartala is currently in Kolkata, waiting for BCCI’s approval for its next away encounter against Assam, starting December 17.

The BCCI officials are, however, hopeful of normalcy prevailing in Guwahati within the next three weeks.

“At this point, it will be premature to comment that India versus Sri Lanka game will be shifted. Yes, we are all monitoring the security situation and close to the date, we will take a call. For the time being, BCCI will ‘wait and watch’,” a senior BCCI functionary said.

Asked if the board will be ready with an alternate venue if Guwahati is unable to host the match, the official said: “Right now, we haven’t zeroed in on any alternate venues but we always keep back-up options ready in case of unforeseen circumstances. For now, let’s hope that normalcy returns and we can have the match as per schedule.”

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...ndment-bill-protests-bcci/article30306118.ece

 

[JaDed]

This is the main difference. De Villiers wouldn't have workload issues if his PSL paycheck was as large as his IPL one. The reason India is able to lure in these countries financially is because of how they have developed a corporate cricket culture over there and created financial stability and also have so many people who follow the game. Countries want to play in India and against India because they know they'll rope in big TV contracts and whatnot. It's also why Ganguly can so easily propose this Super Series idea of his because he knows that he can get the backing of countries that will directly benefit from the affair.

Yes, security is a large factor. But, India is not miles better than Pakistan. It's just that the players are willing to go over there and deal with tight security for a few weeks because of the benefits they're getting.

Yes but lets not forget that even when terrorist attacks in cities also happened no country stopped touring us, GOI and BCCI never let it get that far, it also helps that we always kept having tourists from these countries..

 

[KohliKafan]

you can truly wish for that & another thing you can wish for is to organize asia cup at home next year. if your manis dnt get act together. bcci will surely show what bullying is

 

[KohliKafan]

you dnt prove that your security is top notch when players have literally commented on how they had to stay inside the hotel for days & that too during the last time sri lanka toured pakistan for t20s. you might as well wanna go and have a fact check

 

[PakLFC]

We need to make Pak safe for people to visit. To me what happens in India is none of our business. He could have said the Middle East is a much bigger mess then Pakistan. Mentioning India was only because of the Indian media's obsession with Pakistan yet we should not follow them. See India wants to divert the attention to Pak now that their own country is on fire.

 

[MenInG]

Argue your points using arguments and without worrying about "triggering" others. All such posts deleted.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Why drag India everytime into your mess? I just don't get it.

 

[BaankeJi]

Mani perhaps does not know difference between democratic protests and danger from terrorists.

 

[ahsan17]

Mani perhaps does not know difference between democratic protests and danger from terrorists.

Based on data, the "danger from terrorists" point is in the past, not present.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Based on data, the "danger from terrorists" point is in the past, not present.

Based on how teams are still not comfortable touring, that data isnt very convincing.

 

[ahsan17]

Based on how teams are still not comfortable touring, that data isnt very convincing.

You have to distinguish between facts and opinions that are subjective. Teams touring or not does not determine the facts with respect to the security or "danger from terrorists". The data does not lie. Whether teams tour could be due to perception or subjective information, or hangover from the 2009 attack. But the data is data. It shows terrorism is as much or lower than when teams used to tour Pakistan regularly. Terrorism is at a multi-decade low.