Top 5 Asian all-rounders in Tests

[Ab Fan]

I think it's a well known fact that subcontinent hasn't seen a truly great test all-rounder since Imran and Kapil.

Shakib probably comes the closest but his test exploits gives an idea more of his greatness through stats rather than memorable performances.

If I restrict the discussion to Tests only, what will be your top 5 all-rounders of all-time to have played for any Asian country?

Discuss!

 

[therealAB]

Imran
Kapil
Mushtaq Mohammad
Mankad
Asif Iqbal. If he isn't considered an all rounder then Shakib

 

[Ab Fan]

Imran
Kapil
Mushtaq Mohammad
Mankad
Asif Iqbal. If he isn't considered an all rounder then Shakib

Don't think Asif Iqbal can be considered all-rounder, 53 wickets in 58 tests. Even not sure about Mushtaq Mohammad- 79 wickets in 58 tests.

What about the two Ravi, Jadeja and Shastri?

 

[Abdullah719]

Minimum 1000 runs/50 wickets.

 

[therealAB]

Dev is quite average there isn't he. All hail the greatest all rounder of all time [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION]

 

[therealAB]

Don't think Asif Iqbal can be considered all-rounder, 53 wickets in 58 tests. Even not sure about Mushtaq Mohammad- 79 wickets in 58 tests.

What about the two Ravi, Jadeja and Shastri?

Definition of an all rounder is personal. For me it is someone who can bowl 8-10 overs an innings to provide change for the main bowlers. Under different definitions they may not be allrounders

 

[Last Monetarist]

I am not one to judge through sheer statistics alone:

1. Imran
2. Kapil
3. Shakib
4. Mankad
5. Jadeja

Even though Kapil and Mankad's all-round records are average compared with say Asif Iqbal or Mushtaq Mohammad, they were genuine all-rounders in my book and had an impact which isn't necessarily reflected in the statistics.

 

[Mobashir]

Imran
Kapil

Afridi
Shakib

 

[Ab Fan]

Dev is quite average there isn't he. All hail the greatest all rounder of all time [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION]

If I set a filter of 5000 runs and 400 wickets, Kapil will be the greatest

 

[Ab Fan]

I am not one to judge through sheer statistics alone:

1. Imran
2. Kapil
3. Shakib
4. Mankad
5. Jadeja

Even though Kapil and Mankad's all-round records are average compared with say Asif Iqbal or Mushtaq Mohammad, they were genuine all-rounders in my book and had an impact which isn't necessarily reflected in the statistics.

Agreed. Looks spot on to me.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Imran
Kapil

Afridi
Shakib

Afridi in tests?
I am of the opinion that his best format was test cricket and he could have achieved a lot if he actually payed some attention to it but he has achieved absolutely nothing in tests.
Jadeja any day over him.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

1.Imran
2.Kapil
3.Shakib
4.Mankad
5.Jadeja

 

[Zaz]

Jadejas stats are pretty good

Imran
Kapil
Shaqib
Mankad
Jadeja
Ashwin

 

[therealAB]

Imran
Kapil

Afridi
Shakib

Afridi
Hahahahahaha

 

[Abdullah719]

Minimum 1000 runs/50 wickets.

Afridi narrowly missed out with 48 wickets. He’d slot in below Kapil in the table with a difference of 0.90.

 

[MMHS]

I think first three are almost given - Khan, Pajji, Shak.

For the other two, it’s tough. I am stuck between Jadeja, Ashwin, Mankad & Intekhab. It’s quite interesting to notice that people are listing Mushtaq Mo & Asif Iqbal in all-rounder’s category. In that case Sanath, Ravi, Wasim Raza & Sehwag should be there, probably both Lalas as well. But interestingly no one picked two names who are opposite of so called batting all-rounders - Wasim Akram & Chaminda Vaas, may be Saqi as well.

My fourth one will be Wasim Akram, with four hundreds and several 50s, Akram is probably one of the most underrated batsmen ever and he could bowl a bit as well.

Last one - it’s between three Indians Mankad, Jaddu & Ashwin. I’ll go with Mankad - brilliant spinner who has a Test double century batting as opener (albeit against Kiwis of 1950s), but he has a Test 5for at Lord’s as well.

 

[sweep_shot]

Imran Khan
Kapil Dev
Shakib Al Hasan
Wasim Akram
Asif Iqbal.

 

[shaz619]

Top 3 are a given with Imran, Kapil and Shakib

Number 4 I would have Wasim, his batting is overlooked due to how insanely good he was as a bowler.

For my final pick, I have predominately watched the 21st century cricketers so a bit biased there but I'd say it would be between Jadeja and Ashwin, I would go with Ashwin just about because I see him as a bigger match winner even if it is at home, quiet ruthless on the rank turners

 

[shaz619]

Razzaq, Mahmood, Afridi and Irfan should have done better

 

[Bhaijaan]

There's Kapil, Imran and then the rest are leagues apart in the lower tiers.

Shakib Al Hasan isn't an AR. He's a spinner with an ordinary test record and with tail ender level statistics in major cricket nations as a batsman.

Same goes for Jadeja and Ashwin as batsmen, just that they have way better record as bowlers which is what I consider them and at that they are very good.

Kapil is the only AR from Asia who has given ATG level performance both as a batsman and a bowler.

 

[MMHS]

There's Kapil, Imran and then the rest are leagues apart in the lower tiers.

Shakib Al Hasan isn't an AR. He's a spinner with an ordinary test record and with tail ender level statistics in major cricket nations as a batsman.

Same goes for Jadeja and Ashwin as batsmen, just that they have way better record as bowlers which is what I consider them and at that they are very good.

Kapil is the only AR from Asia who has given ATG level performance both as a batsman and a bowler.

!!!!?????

Out of his 56 Tests,Shakib has played 49 against top 8 teams, his batting average is 39.67 (higher than over all) with 4/20, 100/50 and bowling average is 32.45, with 15/1 5for/10for

If I take it only for away Tests (16), figures stand at 60 wickets @ 30.78 (better than almost every Asian spinner) and 5 5fors, while batting stats stands at 38.73 with 3/5, 100/50 and a double in NZ. His batting stats is poor in ENG & SAF because he played there almost as a teenager.

 

[therealAB]

There's Kapil, Imran and then the rest are leagues apart in the lower tiers.

Shakib Al Hasan isn't an AR. He's a spinner with an ordinary test record and with tail ender level statistics in major cricket nations as a batsman.

Same goes for Jadeja and Ashwin as batsmen, just that they have way better record as bowlers which is what I consider them and at that they are very good.

Kapil is the only AR from Asia who has given ATG level performance both as a batsman and a bowler.

Shakib is >>> Dev as a batsmen. A player with an average of 39 is well ahead of one with an average of 31

Kapil is not an ATG bat, and it is debatable whether he is an ATG bowler. He is not a top 50 bat of all time by any objective metric. If he is an ATG, then so are Johnny Bairstow, Henry Nicholls, Rory Burns and Jos Buttler

As a bowler, it would be very hard to put someone with such an abysmal WPM and SR as one of the top bowlers of all time. Good Bowlers in weaker teams get their WPM inflated, so the weakness of India’s attack is no excuse

Here are a list of pace bowlers I would consider unquestionably > Dev
Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Steyn
Curtly
Donald
Trueman
Imran
Davidson
Lindwall
Akram
Garner
Pollock
Roberts
Holding
Walsh
Hall
Statham
Miller
Lillee
Waqar

If a player is clearly not in the top 20 of his field, he has no right to be an ATG

 

[pratiktc]

People doubting Shakib are deluded.
Top 3 pure allrounders are Imran, Kapil and Shakib period. At peaks good enough to be picked in XI on either of their skills alone.

After these 3 there are the Watson-esque allrounders which really is dealer's choice. They had talent and ability at FC level to be pure ARs but ended up specialising in primary field at test level. Nobody really stands out and can probably pick either of Wasim Raja, Mushtaq Mohammad, Vinoo Mankad, Vijay Hazare, Asif Iqbal randomly to fill out list.

Don't think Sanath, Wasim, Vaas, Ashwin should be considered ARs. They were just extremely talented guys with a really solid second string. Never had to sweat over their second skill to get into any XI -whether at FC or intl level

Lastly there are the sweat allrounders. The low talent guys who maximized their limited ability and only made it up the ranks due to combination package attractiveness while eventually at intl level focusing more on their better skill - Jadeja, Shastri, Mudassar Nazar

 

[Mr Crickekter]

Jadejas stats are pretty good

Imran
Kapil
Shaqib
Mankad
Jadeja
Ashwin

Ashwin?????? ???????????? He can't even hold the bat

 

[Ab Fan]

Jadeja is a bit underrated IMO. He is arguably a better all-rounder than Holder is, latter also has a shocking away record.

 

[Mobashir]

Afridi in tests?
I am of the opinion that his best format was test cricket and he could have achieved a lot if he actually payed some attention to it but he has achieved absolutely nothing in tests.
Jadeja any day over him.

Jadeja isn't a test all rounder.
Over so many tests he is yet to play a meaningfull test innings.

 

[Mr Crickekter]

Jadeja isn't a test all rounder.
Over so many tests he is yet to play a meaningfull test innings.

Totally agree with you

 

[Mobashir]

Jadeja is a bit underrated IMO. He is arguably a better all-rounder than Holder is, latter also has a shocking away record.

You can argue Jadeja being a better player than Holder but not a better all rounder.
Holder has impacted matches with both bat and ball whereas Jadeja is just a bowler.

 

[Ab Fan]

Totally agree with you

A test average of 35 is not a joke. He has played quite a few quality knocks in England.

Afridi is a joke and a nobody in test cricket.

 

[Mobashir]

A test average of 35 is not a joke. He has played quite a few quality knocks in England.

Afridi is a joke and a nobody in test cricket.

Cricket is not about average.
Jadeja averaged as much as Stokes a month ago. That doesn't mean there batting was at the same level.

Jadeja isn't an all rounder in test cricket. He has done less than many others who will be counted just as "can bat". He is in the Broad/ Jhonson/ Philander category.

 

[Ab Fan]

Cricket is not about average.
Jadeja averaged as much as Stokes a month ago. That doesn't mean there batting was at the same level.

Jadeja isn't an all rounder in test cricket. He has done less than many others who will be counted just as "can bat". He is in the Broad/ Jhonson/ Philander category.

I agree with the first two point here. Averages don't define their batting calibre.

I see Jadeja as a Shaun Pollock level batter. If he plays for India, it is expected that he will contribute with bat also. He bats at 6 in India these days. I agree on the Holder part as mentioned above but the names you are suggesting here are nowhere close.

Broad has been a tailender from past 6 years.

Ashwin is a Hadlee level batsmen and I won't call him a genuine all-rounder but Jadeja is making a strong case now.

 

[Bhaijaan]

!!!!?????

Out of his 56 Tests,Shakib has played 49 against top 8 teams, his batting average is 39.67 (higher than over all) with 4/20, 100/50 and bowling average is 32.45, with 15/1 5for/10for

If I take it only for away Tests (16), figures stand at 60 wickets @ 30.78 (better than almost every Asian spinner) and 5 5fors, while batting stats stands at 38.73 with 3/5, 100/50 and a double in NZ. His batting stats is poor in ENG & SAF because he played there almost as a teenager.

Shakib is >>> Dev as a batsmen. A player with an average of 39 is well ahead of one with an average of 31

Kapil is not an ATG bat, and it is debatable whether he is an ATG bowler. He is not a top 50 bat of all time by any objective metric. If he is an ATG, then so are Johnny Bairstow, Henry Nicholls, Rory Burns and Jos Buttler

As a bowler, it would be very hard to put someone with such an abysmal WPM and SR as one of the top bowlers of all time. Good Bowlers in weaker teams get their WPM inflated, so the weakness of India’s attack is no excuse

Here are a list of pace bowlers I would consider unquestionably > Dev
Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Steyn
Curtly
Donald
Trueman
Imran
Davidson
Lindwall
Akram
Garner
Pollock
Roberts
Holding
Walsh
Hall
Statham
Miller
Lillee
Waqar

If a player is clearly not in the top 20 of his field, he has no right to be an ATG

I respect Shakib Al Hasan but he's at par with Jadeja in AR ability, both of whom aren't genuine ARs in my humble opinion because their AR stats are boosted by statistically elevating performances in favourable conditions, while in challenging alien conditions as is the case with most pseudo ARs their one or the other skill falls apart dramatically.

To any major nation, in test cricket, Shakib isn't a threat either with the bat or ball. Jadeja is a major threat with the ball anywhere in Asia. I rate him as a spinner. Ashwin was where Jadeja is today 4 years ago, his batting has declined and he's an AR either.

Among current players, Hardik Pandya has a much higher potential as an AR. He can and he should hit 10 centuries and should take 200 test wickets at below 35. If he does that he will stand 3rd to Kapil and Imran.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Most bowlers get better with the bat over time. Glenn McGrath who averaged 2-3 with the bat and is one of the poorest #11 in hisyory was able to hit a fine test match half century by the time he was about to retire from cricket.

Harbhajan was hitting test match centuries for fun and in real quick time by the end
of his test career.

Same for Anil Kumble, Daniel Vettori. Imran falls in the same category.

These guys were all decent lower order batsmen by their retirement when their bowling wasn't as good.

If you look for a guy who can turn a match on irs head at his prime in a match with either skill, then it's Kapil and the three English ARs.

Respect to England actually. Botham, Flintoff, Stokes all pure and proper match winning test match ARs in their prime.

 

[Mr Crickekter]

A test average of 35 is not a joke. He has played quite a few quality knocks in England.

Afridi is a joke and a nobody in test cricket.

Even Shadab have good average in England...
Afridi is not a joke.... U seem to be living in Aliens world.

 

[Mr Crickekter]

I agree with the first two point here. Averages don't define their batting calibre.

I see Jadeja as a Shaun Pollock level batter. If he plays for India, it is expected that he will contribute with bat also. He bats at 6 in India these days. I agree on the Holder part as mentioned above but the names you are suggesting here are nowhere close.

Broad has been a tailender from past 6 years.

Ashwin is a Hadlee level batsmen and I won't call him a genuine all-rounder but Jadeja is making a strong case now.

Don't compare this "bit and pieces" Cricketer with pollock... By doing this you are actually insulting Polock.
And if you play jadeja at no. 6 , or even open with him then itz your problem... It doesnot mean that he is talented or best
I too agree that he is good but not best.

 

[Ab Fan]

Even Shadab have good average in England...
Afridi is not a joke.... U seem to be living in Aliens world.

Yeah, I agree. Averages aren't everything. Both Jadeja and Imran were decent lower order batsmen who got better with time. Can't really call them all-rounders

 

[Ab Fan]

Don't compare this "bit and pieces" Cricketer with pollock... By doing this you are actually insulting Polock.
And if you play jadeja at no. 6 , or even open with him then itz your problem... It doesnot mean that he is talented or best
I too agree that he is good but not best.

He is a GOAT bits and pieces cricketer. Pakistan would die for a player like him now.

 

[Mr Crickekter]

These type of players are found in every streets of Pakistan.. [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION]

 

[Mr Crickekter]

Yeah, I agree. Averages aren't everything. Both Jadeja and Imran were decent lower order batsmen who got better with time. Can't really call them all-rounders

If you are comparing him with Legend Imran.. Then i am 100% sure, you don't have any idea or understanding about cricket.

 

[Ab Fan]

<B>Don't compare this "bit and pieces" Cricketer with pollock</B>... By doing this you are actually insulting Polock.
And if you play jadeja at no. 6 , or even open with him then itz your problem... It doesnot mean that he is talented or best
I too agree that he is good but not best.

Pollock 108 tests, 2 test hundred, Avg 32, SR 53
Jadeja 49 tests, 1 test hundred, Avg 35, SR 63.

I am liberal enough to compare the batting skills of the two given that Jadeja has triple hundreds in FC.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Imran, Kapil and Shakib are genuine all rounders.

For the 4th and 5th positions, you can choose any of: Wasim, Afridi, Razzaq / Jadeja, Ashwin, Mankad / Sanath Jayasuriya etc.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

I got a feeling many people get triggered whenever Shakib is mentioned. He is THE spinning all rounder of our era. This fact is hard to swallow for some.

 

[therealAB]

I respect Shakib Al Hasan but he's at par with Jadeja in AR ability, both of whom aren't genuine ARs in my humble opinion because their AR stats are boosted by statistically elevating performances in favourable conditions, while in challenging alien conditions as is the case with most pseudo ARs their one or the other skill falls apart dramatically.

To any major nation, in test cricket, Shakib isn't a threat either with the bat or ball. Jadeja is a major threat with the ball anywhere in Asia. I rate him as a spinner. Ashwin was where Jadeja is today 4 years ago, his batting has declined and he's an AR either.

Among current players, Hardik Pandya has a much higher potential as an AR. He can and he should hit 10 centuries and should take 200 test wickets at below 35. If he does that he will stand 3rd to Kapil and Imran.

Shakib destroyed Aus with the ball, has also been very good vs England
His home and away stats are basically identical - so that point is invalid
Shakib is a genuinely top tier batsmen. Look at his world cup. If he had decent opportunities at test level he would be regarded as one of the best. Vs Jadeja with the bat he is incomparable. Better average, more hundreds, more fifties etc

Jadeja is definitely a better bowler at home, but away he averages 35, which is shocking. His overall average is inflated by not being picked much away from home

 

[therealAB]

Most bowlers get better with the bat over time. Glenn McGrath who averaged 2-3 with the bat and is one of the poorest #11 in hisyory was able to hit a fine test match half century by the time he was about to retire from cricket.

Harbhajan was hitting test match centuries for fun and in real quick time by the end
of his test career.

Same for Anil Kumble, Daniel Vettori. Imran falls in the same category.

These guys were all decent lower order batsmen by their retirement when their bowling wasn't as good.

If you look for a guy who can turn a match on irs head at his prime in a match with either skill, then it's Kapil and the three English ARs.

Respect to England actually. Botham, Flintoff, Stokes all pure and proper match winning test match ARs in their prime.

Imran scores hundreds and fifties at a higher frequency than Imran. He influenced games just as much with the bat
Miller obviously could turn games on their head. Strike bowler, and 7 hundreds in 55 games is no joke
Sobers could do so as well. 8 4fa's and 6 5fa's is very solid, and definitely as good as Kapil's batting stats - a 5fa is roughly equitable to a hundred so he performed with his weaker skill much more consistently

People need to stop overrating Kapil. In the end he is a cricketer who averages about 30 in both skills. Show he is conclusively better than Cairns before comparing him people like Sobers and Imran

 

[Bhaijaan]

Shakib destroyed Aus with the ball, has also been very good vs England
His home and away stats are basically identical - so that point is invalid
Shakib is a genuinely top tier batsmen. Look at his world cup. If he had decent opportunities at test level he would be regarded as one of the best. Vs Jadeja with the bat he is incomparable. Better average, more hundreds, more fifties etc

Jadeja is definitely a better bowler at home, but away he averages 35, which is shocking. His overall average is inflated by not being picked much away from home

Jadeja was #1 ranked bowler a while ago and as a specialist spinner he has a phenomenal test record. I don't even bother to discuss Jadeja as an AR because he's not one. I can rate him as a bowler where he is a league above Shakib.

Shakib isn't a Top 10 level spinner in his era.
And as a batsman, is he Top 100? He has tail ender ever level statistics in major nations as a batsman.

You are free to rate players on the basis of home record, and on basis of how many runs they score against modern day West Indies who haven't won a test in India/Australia for 3 decades now.

Australia as a touring nation in Asia against spinners, when did that even become a benchmark ? Sachin and Sehwag have literally turned test matches in our favour as spinners vs Australia.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Shakib destroyed Aus with the ball, has also been very good vs England
His home and away stats are basically identical - so that point is invalid
Shakib is a genuinely top tier batsmen. Look at his world cup. If he had decent opportunities at test level he would be regarded as one of the best. Vs Jadeja with the bat he is incomparable. Better average, more hundreds, more fifties etc

Jadeja is definitely a better bowler at home, but away he averages 35, which is shocking. His overall average is inflated by not being picked much away from home

Was Imran a better bolwer or batsman than Kapil vs West Indies?

Kapil is also the greatest Asian fast bowler ever in Australia..

 

[Ab Fan]

Vinoo Mankad is extremely underrated as an all-rounder as well. He played as an opener and was India's premier spinner.

4 WPM puts him in about same league as Jadeja, the bowler but he also has five hundreds in 44 tests. A great of the game. He was a bowler like Jadeja and a batter like Shastri mould into one.

The debate for 3rd spot is between him and Shakib. Jaddu is comfortably sitting at 5.

 

[jeetu]

Asian Test AR with 2000 runs and 100 wickets
[table=width: 600, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Bat Av [/td][td]100 [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Bowl Av [/td][td]5W [/td][td]Ave Diff [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imran Khan (PAK) [/td][td]1971-1992 [/td][td]88 [/td][td]3807 [/td][td]37.69 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]362 [/td][td]22.81 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]14.88 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH) [/td][td]2007-2019 [/td][td]56 [/td][td]3862 [/td][td]39.4 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]210 [/td][td]31.12 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]8.27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Ashwin (INDIA) [/td][td]2011-2020 [/td][td]71 [/td][td]2389 [/td][td]28.1 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]365 [/td][td]25.43 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]2.67 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]N Kapil Dev (INDIA) [/td][td]1978-1994 [/td][td]131 [/td][td]5248 [/td][td]31.05 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]434 [/td][td]29.64 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]1.4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MH Mankad (INDIA) [/td][td]1946-1959 [/td][td]44 [/td][td]2109 [/td][td]31.47 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]162 [/td][td]32.32 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]-0.84 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wasim Akram (PAK) [/td][td]1985-2002 [/td][td]104 [/td][td]2898 [/td][td]22.64 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]414 [/td][td]23.62 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]-0.98 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RJ Shastri (INDIA) [/td][td]1981-1992 [/td][td]80 [/td][td]3830 [/td][td]35.79 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]151 [/td][td]40.96 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]-5.16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]A Kumble (INDIA) [/td][td]1990-2008 [/td][td]132 [/td][td]2506 [/td][td]17.77 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]619 [/td][td]29.65 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]-11.87 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Harbhajan Singh (INDIA) [/td][td]1998-2015 [/td][td]103 [/td][td]2224 [/td][td]18.22 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]417 [/td][td]32.46 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]-14.23 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

My list so far
1. Imran
2. Kapil
3. Shakib
4. Mankad
5. Ashwin

Top 3 are pretty self explanatory. Mankad had pretty balanced record to merit 4th place. 5. Ashwin for now , but if he continues to bat poorly then he won't be considered AR. Jadeja could replace him soon for this spot.

 

[therealAB]

Was Imran a better bolwer or batsman than Kapil vs West Indies?

Kapil is also the greatest Asian fast bowler ever in Australia..

Imran's far, far superior record vs everyone else overcomes his worse record vs WI. Do you rate Allan Lamb > Gavaskar as he was better vs WI
Akram was better in Aus, similar record vs a much, much better batting attack

 

[therealAB]

Jadeja was #1 ranked bowler a while ago and as a specialist spinner he has a phenomenal test record. I don't even bother to discuss Jadeja as an AR because he's not one. I can rate him as a bowler where he is a league above Shakib.

Shakib isn't a Top 10 level spinner in his era.
And as a batsman, is he Top 100? He has tail ender ever level statistics in major nations as a batsman.

You are free to rate players on the basis of home record, and on basis of how many runs they score against modern day West Indies who haven't won a test in India/Australia for 3 decades now.

Australia as a touring nation in Asia against spinners, when did that even become a benchmark ? Sachin and Sehwag have literally turned test matches in our favour as spinners vs Australia.

You stated "any major nation". Aus is clearly a major nation
Not a top 10 spinner. ***. Who do you rate above him. I can only name Lyon, Ashwin, Jadeja, Maharaj potentially and Shah, but he is really stretching it
Jadeja does not have a phenomonal test record. He has an average of 35. End of story. His average helped ridiculously by playing way more tests at home than overseas.

Re the minnows effect, I agree to a degree. However, if we take poor teams out of both players' record, Kapil (WI, SA, Eng, Aus, Pak, NZ) averages 30 with the bat, 30 with the ball.
Shakib (SA, Eng, Ind, Aus, NZ) averages 31 with the ball, 34 with the bat.
Those are comparable records, and no amount of 'Xfactor' can change that

 

[Mr Crickekter]

Pollock 108 tests, 2 test hundred, Avg 32, SR 53
Jadeja 49 tests, 1 test hundred, Avg 35, SR 63.

I am liberal enough to compare the batting skills of the two given that Jadeja has triple hundreds in FC.

In your FC cricket there are bowlers with highest speed of 105-130's .... So itz not a big deal to score triple against such bowlers..

 

[Third_Umpire]

Imran
Wasim
Shakib
Jayasuriya
Afridi

 

[Ab Fan]

In your FC cricket there are bowlers with highest speed of 105-130's .... So itz not a big deal to score triple against such bowlers..

Pollock will not hit triple tons in any cricket. And you have failed to give any explanation on how it's an insult to compare Jadeja's batting to Pollock.

 

[therealAB]

Pollock's batting is similar to that of Jadeja
he is obviously many tiers above as a bowler

 

[KP From India]

Jadeja has a higher ceiling than Johnson, Philander, Broad as a batsman. He has a century against Aus in their backyard, yes bowlers were tired from long spells but an attack of Stark, Hazle, Cummins, Lyon etc is more than efficient in Aus.
If he gets matchwinning test hundred in Eng or SA, he would be rated above these 3 guys mentioned as a genuine allrounder.

 

[KP From India]

Pollock was a notch below genuine batsman.No special knock in subcontinent. Two hundreds against not such good attacks. Jaddu done it vs Stark, Hazlewood, Cummins,Lyon in their home.
As a bowler, Pollock>>Jadeja though as former performed well everywhere including subcontinent. Jaddu does decent job in non helpful conditions but cant expect matchwinning spells from him on such wickets.

 

[KP From India]

Not many, perhaps one tier above.

 

[KP From India]

Jadeja's higher bowling average in couple of away Countries is little bit compensated by his lower ecomomy rate than Pollock that too in current era, hence gap reduces
If Pollock=10.
Jadddu=8.5 as bowler.

 

[KP From India]

Jaddu has as good a control and accuracy as Pollock with less wicket taking ability in New Zealand and England.

 

[PakLFC]

How dare you forget the great You are asking for another comeback by the great man.

 

[PakLFC]

I always regarded Sanath as a genuine all rounder. Harbhajan was a tailender for goodness sake.

 

[Mr Crickekter]

Pollock will not hit triple tons in any cricket. And you have failed to give any explanation on how it's an insult to compare Jadeja's batting to Pollock.

Then how can you compare jadeja's bowling with pollock...
Pollock will hit triple tons in your fc cricket.
Because in your FC cricket bowling standard is more lower than any associate team

 

[Ab Fan]

Then how can you compare jadeja's bowling with pollock...
Pollock will hit triple tons in your fc cricket.
Because in your FC cricket bowling standard is more lower than any associate team

Haha...

So now that you don't have any explanation, you are going in circles. Show me where I compared Jadeja's bowling with Pollock?

 

[Mr Crickekter]

Haha...

So now that you don't have any explanation, you are going in circles. Show me where I compared Jadeja's bowling with Pollock?

In your previous reply u mentioned it... That jadeja is same as polock..
Bro i too agree jadeja is good, but not good enough to be counted among top five allrounders of Asia... He may be good allrounder of India but not for whole Asia

 

[Ab Fan]

In your previous reply u mentioned it... That jadeja is same as polock..
Bro i too agree jadeja is good, but not good enough to be counted among top five allrounders of Asia... He may be good allrounder of India but not for whole Asia

I never compared Jadeja's bowling with Pollock. I said that Jadeja is a Shaun Pollock level batter. I also said that Ashwin's batting is Hadlee level. This does not mean Ashwin, the bowler is anywhere close to Hadlee the bowler. Only their batting skills were compared.

Jadeja is only behind I,K,S and V as test all-rounders from Asia. I don't see any other cricketer having any strong claim. There is just not anyone else.

 

[Mr Crickekter]

I never compared Jadeja's bowling with Pollock. I said that Jadeja is a Shaun Pollock level batter. I also said that Ashwin's batting is Hadlee level. This does not mean Ashwin, the bowler is anywhere close to Hadlee the bowler. Only their batting skills were compared.

Jadeja is only behind I,K,S and V as test all-rounders from Asia. I don't see any other cricketer having any strong claim. There is just not anyone else.

Can you please check the total MoM & MoS awards of all Asian allrounders... You will get your answer...

 

[Ab Fan]

Can you please check the total MoM & MoS awards of all Asian allrounders... You will get your answer...

I think you are referring to Afridi. Hard to put him with that bowling average and the number of tests he played.

 

[Mr Crickekter]

I think you are referring to Afridi. Hard to put him with that bowling average and the number of tests he played.

No i am not referring Afridi...
Imran khan
Kapil Dev
Shakib
Waseem
Razaq/Mathews/Jaisuriya

 

[sindhiboy]

Imran khan
Shakib
Kapil dev
Abdul razzaq (though he was avg in tests)
Jayasuriya

 

[Abdullah719]

No i am not referring Afridi…
Imran khan
Kapil Dev
Shakib
Waseem
Razaq/Mathews/Jaisuriya

[table=class:grid][tr][td]Player[/td][td]Span[/td][td]Mat[/td][td]Match Awards[/td][td]Series Awards[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wasim Akram (PAK)[/td][td]1985-2002[/td][td]104[/td][td]17[/td][td]7[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imran Khan (PAK)[/td][td]1971-1992[/td][td]88[/td][td]11[/td][td]8[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]N Kapil Dev (INDIA)[/td][td]1978-1994[/td][td]131[/td][td]8[/td][td]4[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Ashwin (INDIA)[/td][td]2011-2020[/td][td]71[/td][td]7[/td][td]7[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RA Jadeja (INDIA)[/td][td]2012-2020[/td][td]49[/td][td]6[/td][td]1[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH)[/td][td]2007-2019[/td][td]56[/td][td]6[/td][td]5[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RJ Shastri (INDIA)[/td][td]1981-1992[/td][td]80[/td][td]6[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ST Jayasuriya (SL)[/td][td]1991-2007[/td][td]110[/td][td]4[/td][td]2[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AD Mathews (SL)[/td][td]2009-2020[/td][td]86[/td][td]3[/td][td]3[/td][/tr][/table]

 

[Fairgo for All]

Don't think Asif Iqbal can be considered all-rounder, 53 wickets in 58 tests. Even not sure about Mushtaq Mohammad- 79 wickets in 58 tests.

What about the two Ravi, Jadeja and Shastri?

In my opinion Asif Iqbal,Mushtaq Mohammad and Wasim Raja were all genuine all rounders in terms of talent and skills.
You have to know a bit more about their careers to find out.

Asif Iqbal joined Pakistan team as a medium pace swing bowler and quickly reached his first 40 wickets. In a series in NewZealand he got 18 wickets in 3 match series. He had a very good record as an allrounder in ODIs even though he played only 10 ODIs. He had to give up bowling because of a back injury otherwise he would have ended with more wickets.

Mushtaq was also a very good legspin bowler. He won test matches in West Indies and NewZealand because of his bowling. He was underbowled when Intikhab Alam was the captain.

Same was the case with Wasim Raja he was also underbowled in his career.