And Kohli played just the one WC before 2015, let's see what ABDV stats look like after 2011, shall I dig them up?I thought Kohli played in that WC? My bad
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Posters continue to undermine one to big up the other. Both are world class but lack in one department or other.
Kohli will find it difficult to build the slog game that ABD literally owns while ABD will have to strive hard mentally to compensate for the missing clutch gene.
Kohli will find it difficult to build the slog game that ABD literally owns while ABD will have to strive hard mentally to compensate for the missing clutch gene.
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You keep saying this. Please read the actual thread title. Maybe you're just desperate now. We are talking about the best ODI batsman of the last 7 years. Why can't you get that? It doesn't matter how many games one played before 2010 and how he performed in those games. This is just about ODIs between 2010 and 2017 in which AB has simply been better than Kohli
Are you really going for hero worship? Too many PPers still sing prose for that solitary 1992 WC win, you know who I'm talking about.
As for AB vs Kohli, even if AB had played for India & not won them (or us) many games no Indians would've praised him. Why do you think people praise Kohli over Dhoni?
Keep your incensed insights to yourself & keep living in that bubble, padded with stats.
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Just the blind Kohli fans undermining AB. They should agree with the truth that Kohli has been the 2nd best ODI batsman between 2010-2017 and will surpass AB in the format but he hasn't yet. This post isn't about who will go down as the better ODI batsman. It's who has been the best ODI batsman between 2010 and 2017.
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Now you bring up the 1992 World Cup out of nowhere. Are you thinking about what you are saying? And again you accuse me of using stats which I haven't (even though if I did they would still support my argument since ABs stats blow everyone away in ODIs in this decade)
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Ab is an absolute beast in setting targets but in chases he is not poor by any standards but doesnt have the calmness to steer his team home. He is too frenetic, takes too many risks and plays high percentage game which leafs to failure. I think he doesnt trust his mates while chasing
You're just using stats to support the flawed argument of best batter in 2010's & stats without context mean nothing otherwise Voges can be (mis)construed as the 2nd best test batter ever. If you're giving equal weight to every game then SA is the best ODI side ever, seeing how they've won 13 ODI on the trot at home or won most home ODI series (consecutively) at home.
As for 1992, you think people worship Kohli or SRT really? So what do you have to say about the 1992 WC (win) worshipers?
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Abdv Is not even comparable with the rest.
Kohli is a great chaser...
kohli is yet to win a world cup match chasing
Kohli has never won a match chasing away vs Australie, South Africa, Australie and New Zealand...
World cup demi final 2015: great plateform still made 0.
World cup 2011 quarter final and final: also failed.
Champions trophy 2009 vs pakistan: important chase: failed again.
Your best chaser ever can chase just 300 plus scores on pathas In no pressure situation?
If you want to look at crucial performances, look at Steven Smith, quarter final: contrôled the chase against pakistan
World cup semi final: played one of the best innings of the world cup
World cup final: again contrôled the chase.
That is a big match player.
Kohli is a great chaser...
kohli is yet to win a world cup match chasing
Kohli has never won a match chasing away vs Australie, South Africa, Australie and New Zealand...
World cup demi final 2015: great plateform still made 0.
World cup 2011 quarter final and final: also failed.
Champions trophy 2009 vs pakistan: important chase: failed again.
Your best chaser ever can chase just 300 plus scores on pathas In no pressure situation?
If you want to look at crucial performances, look at Steven Smith, quarter final: contrôled the chase against pakistan
World cup semi final: played one of the best innings of the world cup
World cup final: again contrôled the chase.
That is a big match player.
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So it is Smith then and not ABDV
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So what has abdv done in chases in even jamodis in his entire career?
In t20 world cups kohli record is phenomenal where as abd record is abysmal.
I think kohli will have at least one odi worldcup like his recent t 20 world tournies where he single handedly took them to final and semi in Last 2 t 20 cups.
Abd doesn't even have one such tourney even if he has been playing since 2005
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Just because you don't know of one, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Great JAMODI chase: http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-england-2015-16/engine/match/800477.html
As for the T20 comments, this thread is about ODIs.
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http://m.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe-triangular-series-2014/engine/current/match/736445.html
Won the tri series vs Australia by scoring 50 odd in finals too.
http://m.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/567372.html
You would be having no idea how tough the pitch was but one can think of that by watching Amla score 22 of 65 balls.
Won his team the odi series in India by hitting three hundreds in 5 odis.One of them on a really difficult pitch.
http://m.espncricinfo.com/india-v-south-africa-2015-16/engine/current/match/903599.html
Back to World Cup 2007, he attacked Mcgrath and co by smashing 95 of 70 balls before getting run out.
http://m.espncricinfo.com/wc2007/engine/current/match/247478.html
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So a player who scored 1 hundred in winning chase is greater than other player who had 17 in chases
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That's not what I said.
I understand that you're an AB fan, looking at your user name, but common there's a pattern in there, clear as daylight.
Gets out to a swipe vs a medium pacer, Bhuvaneshwar Kumar, & the games in 2007 WC vs Aus, another run out seriously?
He's a good player, an ATG ODI bat by the time he retires, but seeing as there's 30% time left in 2010's I wouldn't put him as the best ODI bat just yet.
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People try to fit AB into these moulds. "AB should be a better chaser", "AB should be the best finisher", "AB should've batted higher", "AB shouldn't captain". Why can't people just accept AB for what he is?
AB is a unique cricketer that could have played any sport and be great in it. Instead of any other sport he chose cricket and we get to see him take it to another level. Regardless of what people's opinions about "AB should be" is, he has had a major impact on the game of cricket and inspired generations to come with his "360 degree" cricket.
Watching AB in full flow is amazing. Nothing like it in cricket (for me at least). Everything just looks easy and effortless until it isn't. I'm sorry some posters don't get to experience that joy when watching AB play cricket.
AB is a unique cricketer that could have played any sport and be great in it. Instead of any other sport he chose cricket and we get to see him take it to another level. Regardless of what people's opinions about "AB should be" is, he has had a major impact on the game of cricket and inspired generations to come with his "360 degree" cricket.
Watching AB in full flow is amazing. Nothing like it in cricket (for me at least). Everything just looks easy and effortless until it isn't. I'm sorry some posters don't get to experience that joy when watching AB play cricket.
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Its not about being a fan or anything because I am neutral as far as rating players is concerned.
You have to go by the results and between 2010-2017,its quite clear that AB is the best odi bat in the world.In the given phase,he has done well in WCs and dominated the world cup 2015 being the third highest scorer even though batting at 4-5 and having a freakish SR.
Kohli missed out in wc 2015 and yes there is no reason why he cant dominate the WC 19 but that is a future thing.So till the given period, it has to be AB and that is the point of this thread.
How did he dominate the 2015 WC, by being the third highest run scorer? He failed in 2 pressure games, at crucial times. What about the CT 2013, he swiped (again) at Umesh's bouncer & then SA fell short off India's target?
If you're not considering tight games & important games sure AB comes out on top, otherwise he's near the top of the pack but clearly not at the top. As I've said I'll wait for the decade to end but Ab's failue in high pressure games & KO are big ticks against him.
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Scored vs Pakistan
Scored vs NZ
Didn't bat vs SL
Run out vs Ind
Destroyed WI
He definitely dominated the WC.The Pakistan game he couldn't finish off but played a brilliant inning and was single handedly on verge of winning the game.It wasn't a must win for SA but it was for Pakistan or else they would have been knocked down.
That's a failure, he could've won them the game, heck even SA fans agree that the ugly swipe was needless. Ran himself out against India, two games in which he could've led SA to a win with the bat he didn't & we aren't even talking about his failures in 2011 or 2013, the WI side in 2015 was a joke minus two of their best players. I wouldn't call that dominating the WC 2015.
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By that logic,Shafiq's knock in Brisbane is a failure?
Sachin's knock way back in 96 semifinal was a failure. Got a great start but got out after getting to 60 odd.Tendulkar also didn't do much in qf of 96 vs Pak.But that doesn't mean he didn't dominated the World Cup 96. You can't be this harsh with your benchmark of rating players.
Yes because SA had 9 wickets left after his dismissal, did they?
What about Ab's dismissals in the same manner over 8yrs across 3 WC & a few CT, ugly swipes & run outs?
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I would pick AB if my team was batting first. Kohli if i had to chase.
I am astonished that this thread is going on. ab vs kohli is not a debatable subject. from 2008 onwards ab is atleast 2 level above of kohli. kohli may be the second best batsman but there is a huge gap between them though kohli has enough time to be equal of ab.
in t20 ab is poor and kohli is a beast. overall kohli is
ahead of ab in odi and t20 combined.
in t20 ab is poor and kohli is a beast. overall kohli is
ahead of ab in odi and t20 combined.
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You win more ODIs if you have Kohli in your team, which pretty much settles it for me.
Kohli has two centuries in WC one against you.
Kohli chased 320 in 36 overs. Pressure situation, the game was must win otherwise out of tournament. That was in Hobart Australia. Give one Steve smith which can match that.
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meh it was a T20 laugh and giggle affair. When a 44 and a 39 wins a match that illustrates there was no cricket to speak of. There's a reason the Windies are dominating T20's and no one is taking them seriously, rightly so. Any format that's without any form of mental application isn't fit enough to be called a cricket match.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-champions-trophy-2013/engine/current/match/566948.html
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G Smith was a better chaser than Sachin who was "hiding" at four but happy to open in ODI's.
Played more memorable and influential knocks than Tendulkar. He must be better by the same logic right?
PS: (Wait for the " we have no bowlers" excuses)
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1. First of all, I get where you are coming from and ABD does have a HUGE claim to be the best ODI bat post 2010. He may suck in T20s and be a hopeless choker there but in ODIs, credit where credit is due...he is insanely good regardless of his little flaws of losing his mind at times.
2. With that being said, cricket is not a game that is purely played on stat sheets and I am going to present a tidbit that you will find interesting. But before that, I want to tell that Kohli is no ordinary bat either (not that you said it). He may not have stats of ABD but he has played knocks that are way better than what ABD has played in his career. Hobart, Dhaka..both games when we had to chase a TALL target or face elimination...that SL game where he stayed on till the end, chasing 350 twice in 2013 (one of the games was much closer than the scorecard would suggest where Raina and Dhoni batted at just 100 SR but Kohli blew Aussies away at 170 SR and this was against a PEAK Johnson who flew back to destroy England in Ashes in 2013).
Now coming back to the interesting tidbit....I saw you mention somewhere that Dhoni hid down the order...
Do you what Viv Richards averages at number 5, 6 and 7 in ODIs?
Just 29 with 84 SR.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting
Do you know HOW MANY games he played in that position?
45 games. Batted in 34 games.
That's like playing 25% of his career in a spot and averaging 29.
Add that with the fact that Viv averages just 36 in WI against all teams and didn't average that much in domestics against his own bowlers, shall we change our opinion on him?
Interestingly, I didn't go looking for this stat. I was cleaning my bookmarks and found this.
So this does put a HUGEEEE dent on Viv's claim to be the greatest ever when he averages so poor in some spots and averages less at home and DOES NOT even get to face his generation's best bowlers?
When he hid down the order at 5, 6 or 7, his stats look awful.
So does this stat OVER-RIDE everything Viv has achieved?
No. Cos cricket ain't played on stat sheets.
Viv is number 1 cos his aura and terror reached WAY WAY WAY beyond some numbers in the stat sheet.
Same way Dhoni is ATG in ODIs regardless of whether he scored a century outside Asia or not (he flopped in WCs but clicked at the biggest stage of them all).
Same way Tendulkar is supreme even though his outside Asia stats in 90s is poor. He has done way too much for way too long to gain that status. You can even consider him better than Viv if take pure longevity.
And the SAME WAY, Kohli is incredible cos what he does....there is pretty much no batsman in the history of game who has done the same. Top order bat who can ALSO finish games.
Who cares if Kohli averages lesser if he can produce magic like he does?
Now its a fair criticism that he has to score in WC knockouts but the battle between ABD vs Kohli is not done and dusted and while feeling that ABD is much superior is a totally fine viewpoint...the other side has valid claims too.
Kohli is unlike anyone else hence people are willing to even look past his flaws and wait for his career to play out. If he flops, then opinions will be adjusted accordingly.
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1. Hobart - Facing elimation
2. Dhaka - Facing elimination
3. Twin chases of 350 - One of the games went down to the wire with Raina and Dhoni striking at just 100 SR
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013-14/engine/match/647259.html
Then there was the SL chase (though not an iconic knock but an incredible one nonetheless at one stage India were 231-7 and yet Kohli stayed till the end and closed out games)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/792297.html
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If you can't name three you probably weren't watching
1. http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-england-2015-16/engine/match/800477.html
2. http://www.espncricinfo.com/action-cricket-t20-2011/engine/match/656491.html
3. http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-west-indies-2014-15/engine/match/722341.html
Those are just ODIs from recent times and from the top of my head. We have the heroic effort, the tragedy and the absolute destruction. The story of AB in 3 innings.
ABD has tons of awesome knocks.
You forgot to mention his 3 100s in 5 ODI series in India and one of the 100s came during a time when ABD had little clue what was happening.
Such is his aura that he can score even when he is not comfortable.
Now as for ABD's iconic knocks:
The 65* in WC SF 2015 was shaping up to be iconic but sadly rain came in and spoiled it.
The knock against England was great but not exactly iconic (I will put it in the almost category like Kohli's 2014 100 against SL in 5th ODI).
Iconic knocks are those which get remembered for a long time. Like Viv 189, Viv finals, Tendu desert storm knocks, Tendu Centurion in 2003, etc.
While ABD has been unlucky in the sense he hasn't got much chances in WC knockouts and the fact that we don't play tri series in this era...its also true that he doesn't exactly have any iconic knocks that define him.
He had a chance against Pak 2015 but blew it (it was a GREAT knock nonetheless).
He had a chance against India 2015 but blew it by getting run out.
I am sure there may be a few more instances (in regular ODIs) where he missed out.
Its ok. This is not the be all and end all but he upcoming WC will be very important for him and Kohli.
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Sorry wrong link.
Here's the correct link for the stat - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting
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Here's the correct link for the stat - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting
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Pretty low standards for "iconic" knocks. Those attacks couldn't be more ordinary.
On the twin chases, quality of bowling aside, what people forget is that it was actually India's openers that took the game away from Australia with massive opening partnerships. Sharma(141) outscored Kohli in the 1st and Dhawan scored 95 and 100. Very good knocks but not iconic. Had he done it alone with others chipping in 50s then they'd be standouts.
Hobart would be impressive had he done it against a decent bowling lineup.
Dhaka - again, average attack. It's probably his best because of the pressure of India v Pak game. You can make an argument for this but for me this isn't one. Apart from Ajmal, there's no wicket taker there. Afridi past his prime, Gul past it, Wahab was a nothing bowler then, Aizaz Cheema, legend, but on his last legs.
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Kohli has been part of eight ODI wins in Australia, England and South Africa against the home teams and averages 20 in those matches. So nope.
That point about Dhoni was in response to someone who said that ABD hid down the order in the last World Cup. Of course, batsmen have their best positions and for some it is the top order, for others it is lower down. Dhoni is an ATG batsman, despite his poor record overseas and Kohli can be one too. For me, there are three ATG ODI batsmen from this era which are the opener, Hashim Amla; the middle order batsman, Kohli; and then the lower order batsman, Dhoni.
Better than all three however, is one ABCD. Now I definitely believe that there isn't much to separate between ATG players in that a team wouldn't be any worse off if they had Lara in their side instead of Sachin or McGrath instead of Wasim but in this case, de Villiers is a level above everyone else from his generation. You don't need stats for that, you can easily go back and watch some of the incredible innings that he has played.
So all in all, there really is no comparison between AB or anyone else from this generation even though there have been some outstanding ODI batsmen who have made a name for themselves post-2010, Kohli being one of them. Ultimately though, his weakness against quality pace bowling on balanced pitches holds him back because unlike having a poor average at the #6 or #7 position, having a poor average in two or three countries who have good bowlers deducts significant points from a batsman's score.
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I'm sorry, but those two innings were in no way more iconic than the absolute massacre that de Villiers layeth down during that innings of 150.
Since you know more about Kohli's career than I do, could you help me find five great innings played by Kohli that were not scored against Lanka or on flat tracks? [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] isn't up for the challenge, it seems.
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If we continue enforcing such stipulations, no one will past the test including de Villiers, who himself doesn't have great innings on difficult pitches against great bowling attacks. Point is that the conditions and bowling attacks are the same for all. ODI pitches are flat everywhere but these two along with Dhoni tower above the rest, with the Indian duo the best in the business.
Ohh and who were those bowlers whom ABD massacred. SA was already in winning position when ABD came to bat. You are saying that kohli took on low level bowlers but then claiming as if ABD knock was against akram's & ambroses
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Lol at the hypocrisy of de Villiers' fans downplaying Kohli because of flat pitches, poor bowling and top-order foundation while bigging up their hero's slogfests on flat wickets against poor bowling with a good top-order foundation.
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No, all three were played on flat pitches. However, AB's was the best innings.
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Yes all 3 were flats but kohli was chasing 320 in 40 overs otherwise we were out of tournament also when chasing 350 scores you need a crazy innings along with rohit & dhawan's knock which kohli produced.
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1. Openers gave platform in both games but in the 2nd 350 chase, Kohli came in at 170 odd and took us through to complete a 350 chase in the end (it got a bit tight in the end but Kohli made sure we didn't screw it up). Just cos openers gave a platform is no guarantee for a win. You don't have to look far behind to see examples. A few days back, SL imploded after being all set to chase down 350 against SA in SA. SL in WC botched up a chase when they looked like they could chase down 360 odd by Aus but lost.
The difference is that Kohli closes out the chases. If I am not wrong, he has had a hand to play in pretty much every 350 chase India has been successful at.
While that quick 100 off 200 SR in the other 350 chase may or may not be an iconic knock, the 115 at 174 SR coming at 170-1 is surely one.
2. As for Hobart, it doesn't matter if the bowling attack isn't great (let's leave aside that Malinga was playing that game). In my 18-20 years of watching cricket, I haven't watched a player coordinate such a chase that people thought was not even possible at that time. To chase down 330 in 40 overs and Kohli does it with 4 overs to spare on a must win game is as legendary as it gets.
I saw the match live and it wasn't like the openers scored a LOT at high SR in that game to ensure the rest have to keep just tapping it around with occasional boundaries to win the game (like NZ in WC SF game after Mccullum knock).
Openers scored fast but both were GONE by 86 and there was REAL pressure at that time which was beautifully managed byGambo and Kohli. Gambo got out at 200 but Kohli continued on to finish of the chase scoring 321.
Leave aside ABD, even Viv and Sachin don't have an equivalent knock to Kohli's Hobart. Don't get me wrong...they have gun knocks against QUALITY bowlers on tough pitches but they don't have a knock where they coordinated an entire chase to close down an UNTHINKABLE target (for their time) right till the end.
3. Pakistan knock didn't have great bowlers but it still had Ajmal. And to chase down 330 odd scoring 180 (next highest score by Indian was 68) in a must win game is an iconic knock for sure.
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Which 150?
The game against WI where Devilliers on a flat track?
Its not even on the same planet let alone comparable.
Moving on...I am willing to take up your challenge.
3 knocks against NZ in NZ facing their in-form pacers of that time (this was a time when Southee, Mccclenaghan and Milne were in form and rated high):
http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/engine/match/667641.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/engine/match/667643.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/engine/match/667649.html
Game against England where they played almost 50 overs and scored just 240
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/521219.html
Game against SA in SA where Kohli won a game by scoring 87 at 94 SR when other Indians couldn't even cross 60 SR.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/463153.html
Now you could dismiss all of them by saying the pitches weren't juicy enough (except for the SA game) or the bowlers weren't ATG enough but that is the issue with this era and NOT Kohli.
Kohli chased down Pak's total in a T20 against rampaging Amir in swinging conditions. While that may be T20, it shows that he can play such bowling and he did that in T20 where you have to score FASTER than ODI.
Also Kohli looked like a dream when batting against WI in Perth in WC. Yes, its just WI attack but if you remember that match, the pitch juiced up a lot under lights and the WI pacers were bowling thunderbolts and Kohli looked like he was from another planet. He scored just 37 (chasing 180 odd) but the class was way too obvious to see.
I have no idea why people here are arguing over "match winning" knocks.
When it comes to "match winner" talk, parosis conveniently want to ignore the rhetoric that Paks put up against Tendulkar, that match winner doesn't mean anything.
The fact is both Kohli and AB haven't done much in single-handedly taking their teams to victory, especially in World Cup knockouts.
Afridi has done way better at taking the team to victory, single-handedly, on many more occasions than both. So, Afridi > Kohli/AB?
Rubbish.
AB de Villiers has no match in the ODI world, he has sheer ability and great performances everywhere, against every top bowler he has faced.
Kohli has been great too and has his own style of playing, but not as freakish as AB de Villiers.
Both are potential ODI ATGs.
When it comes to "match winner" talk, parosis conveniently want to ignore the rhetoric that Paks put up against Tendulkar, that match winner doesn't mean anything.
The fact is both Kohli and AB haven't done much in single-handedly taking their teams to victory, especially in World Cup knockouts.
Afridi has done way better at taking the team to victory, single-handedly, on many more occasions than both. So, Afridi > Kohli/AB?
Rubbish.
AB de Villiers has no match in the ODI world, he has sheer ability and great performances everywhere, against every top bowler he has faced.
Kohli has been great too and has his own style of playing, but not as freakish as AB de Villiers.
Both are potential ODI ATGs.
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you cant be serious . No one has won matches single handedly like Virat has and hes done that not once or twice but a dozen times
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Kohli hands down
2nd would be Tamim, he always bats for the opposition
2nd would be Tamim, he always bats for the opposition
You're saying Tamim as the second best (or worst?) but then Shakib smilie at the end? Did you forget Shakib's hand in England winning the first ODI or first test last year, also first test against NZ this year?Kohli hands down
2nd would be Tamim, he always bats for the opposition
In terms of batting for the opposition I'd say Shakib > Tamim every time.
Well then SRT shouldn't be put among the ATGs. But you already rate Dhoni > SRT, so it's fine if you make this statement.
But, Afridi >> Kohli, then.
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Kohli is the greatest ODI batsman of this decade followed by AB.
AB could have been number #1 had he batted in the top 3.
I will have both of them in my all time ODI XI.
AB could have been number #1 had he batted in the top 3.
I will have both of them in my all time ODI XI.
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Runs scored in odi ...........5743
Balls faced in odi ............ 5281 thats the bf stat in the table at the beginning of this discussion for those who missed it
ABDscores at at OVER a run a ball for MORE THAN 5000 balls faced
NOBODY EVEN COMES CLOSE ..
One could even consider ABD to be a feak (head and shoulders above the norm) ....but it appears that this is not good enough to qualify as the best
i. dont understaand why some PP posters insist that he doesnt quite make the grade because of this match and that pitch and he doesnt have the moral fibre and so on and so on.
Im curious to hear what fellow posters have to say to explain this stat, and if its even important......
in my humble opinion, I believe that scoring that maximum amount of runs in 300 balls is one of the key objectives in ODIs,
Runs scored in odi ...........5743
Balls faced in odi ............ 5281 thats the bf stat in the table at the beginning of this discussion for those who missed it
ABDscores at at OVER a run a ball for MORE THAN 5000 balls faced
NOBODY EVEN COMES CLOSE ..
One could even consider ABD to be a feak (head and shoulders above the norm) ....but it appears that this is not good enough to qualify as the best
i. dont understaand why some PP posters insist that he doesnt quite make the grade because of this match and that pitch and he doesnt have the moral fibre and so on and so on.
Im curious to hear what fellow posters have to say to explain this stat, and if its even important......
in my humble opinion, I believe that scoring that maximum amount of runs in 300 balls is one of the key objectives in ODIs,
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Bumping this thread, Ross Taylor sure is underrated
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AB de Villiers is an ATG batsmen.
Kohli is also an ATG batsmen.
Hashim Amla is an average ODI batsmen.
Quinton de Kock is a potential ODI great.
Dhoni was an ODI ATG.
Now a simple way to judge is who has more value in the team.
If you are chasing 340 runs to win who would you have on your team?
AB ? He probably would get 50 odd and then choke.
Amla? He would play at a pace that would never let SA chase the target unless other people chipped in.
Dhoni would only finish off the game if he came at the end.
Quinton De Kock has the strongest case for being able to pull it off but he is still learning the game.
The only person you would want in your team chasing 340 is Kohli.
That's an established fact.
However people would still put Amla's name in ODI ATG to chase 350.
Lmao.
Kohli is also an ATG batsmen.
Hashim Amla is an average ODI batsmen.
Quinton de Kock is a potential ODI great.
Dhoni was an ODI ATG.
Now a simple way to judge is who has more value in the team.
If you are chasing 340 runs to win who would you have on your team?
AB ? He probably would get 50 odd and then choke.
Amla? He would play at a pace that would never let SA chase the target unless other people chipped in.
Dhoni would only finish off the game if he came at the end.
Quinton De Kock has the strongest case for being able to pull it off but he is still learning the game.
The only person you would want in your team chasing 340 is Kohli.
That's an established fact.
However people would still put Amla's name in ODI ATG to chase 350.
Lmao.
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The 1st ODI shakib played a blinder 78 from 54 or something, he got cramped and played a pull to short midwicket. Not a poor shot.
True he gave his wickets away in poor ways in tests but Shakib has good string of performances to backup.
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I would say he is NZ best odi batsmen of all time ahead of Crowe and probably B'Mac.
In tests, Crowe, Fleming and Williamson are surely ahead.
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So many poor points can't be addressed. But if it can help you, you don't start a match by knowing who will chase down 340, you start a match with players that have the most chances to win you a match, and that however it is.
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I think guptill can over take him.
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Most chances.
Clearly not Amla or AB or anyone else.
Kohli has most chances to win you a match.
Unfortunately with a name like Mobashir it is only likely if Kohli was called Kashif Ali you would be raving about his credentials.
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He can and so can Williamson if they perform in World Cups. I still believe Williamson can still become a very good LOI player even though he is limited and cant score that fast quite like Sangakkara.
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You really are clueless about all this aren't you? Kohli averages 20 in the eight matches that India have won in Aus, Eng and SA. So much for having the "most chances to win a match".
ABD is a cut above the rest from this generation. Then a tier below him are Amla, Kohli and Dhoni, with not much to separate them because all three have a couple of chinks in the armory, unlike AB who's only weakness is being human.
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Well in your opinion AB Wins you matches.
In my opinion he wins you when there is no pressure and more often than not chokes.
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Your opinion has nothing to back it up and therefore, is invalid. My opinion, on the other hand, is supported by facts that you are oblivious to.
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You dont have to convince me.
I don't have to convince you.
You would even have AMLA ahead of Gilly Jayasuriya etc in ODI ATG, which NO ONE actually agrees to.
So pardon me for not taking you seriously.
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You are pardoned. Since you were the one to bump this thread with yet another long, drawn out rant, I was under the impression that you were actually seeking a discussion instead of making a false claim and then running away with wool in your ears when said claim was debunked (Kohli has most chances to win a match).
Good day.
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ABD is literally Bradman of ODIs. It's a rare sight to see him get dismissed below 50 nowadays
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Amla is not in the same league as De Villiers. De Villiers will certainly go down as an ATG in odis, arguably top 3.
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ABD is already an ATG in ODIs.
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ABDV is the number one batsman in ODI's for at least 5 years. That's enough to be considered an all time great if you are the best batsman over such a long period.
But how good is Quinton de Qock, wow. He really is a special batsman.
But how good is Quinton de Qock, wow. He really is a special batsman.
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