Treatment of Saif Badar - Did not expect this from Shoaib Malik of all people

[reversehook]

I had admired Malik as a person who gave youngsters fair chances, but the treatment he is giving to Saif badar is just pathetic.

First game, ok fine wasnt really needed as per game situation
Second game, batting first, could have sent the kid in there somewhere
Third game, chance given, he was average as the whole team didnt do much, but a lost opportunity
Fourth game, washout
Fifth game, quetta = was out for 102, could have and should have sent him in but was not given a chance, this was chased in 16.2 overs, so...
Sixth game, batting first, maqsood was on fire but once shehzad was out, could have given him an opportunity but opted not to
Seventh game, (today) again batting first, how can you not send this kid in, when tanvir gets a bat?

So, in 6 possible batting chances he was sent in once, and 1 game you can say that he wasnt needed as game was over long before. this is the kind of rubbish that needs to be stopped and these youngsters should be given fair shots. I am no Saif badar fan, nor am I a Malik hater, but give the kid a chance to see what he can materialize into. Other youngsters are being treated very much similarly if not worse.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Quite clear Multan's management do not rate Saif Badar.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

yeah it is suprising considering Malik is one of the better captains in Pak at grooming young players.

Today was particulary awful, if you want to do something different why send Sohail Sobers out instead of Badar?

 

[Rayyman]

Probably waiting until they qualify

 

[reversehook]

yeah it is suprising considering Malik is one of the better captains in Pak at grooming young players.

Today was particulary awful, if you want to do something different why send Sohail Sobers out instead of Badar?

Had Saif been sent in when sohail came in, we could have seen what the kid can do, plus had he failed although it wouldn't have been the end of the world, it would have been understandable that ok he needs more time and just having him in the 11 is a bonus to him. And its not like multan is battling it out for the last playoff spot nor is it the last couple of games etc. Give the kid a bloody chance.

Same is happening with that ibtisham kid, just pushed aside for ttf... and dont even start about zafar gohar, zalmi's are such a farse... i think it could be something with sammy being out of team that ibtisham is not playing, but other youngsters not being given a chance is just pathetic overall across the league.

 

[reversehook]

Probably waiting until they qualify

once they qualify i dont even forsee them placing him in the playing 11

 

[Ellipsism]

Quite clear Multan's management do not rate Saif Badar.

He’s one of a few names going around in the domestic scene as potential quality batsman, doubt it has to do with his ability. Mohammad Wasim rates him quite highly and so does Malik himself.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Saif had a good chance to show what he could do. It probably would be a great idea to send him at No.4. I wonder who's idea it was to send Sohail Tanvir at No.4. Multan could have got a decent partnership with Saif & Sohaib at the crease.

 

[Syed1]

All teams are giving importance to TTFs apart from LQ and they have five defeats out of five. Tells you about the team setups. I think PCB needs to step in and not allow these TTFs to rule the roost.

 

[aloo paratha]

Probably the managements decision as Malik has a history of giving youngsters chances.

 

[Syed1]

Not just Malik... Big mouth Wasim kept saying let me work with PCB I'll develop youngsters. Well you have a talented youngster at your disposal and you said Tanvir at number three.

 

[Bewal Express]

A great chance missed.

 

[Hasan123]

Disappointing if this is Maliks decision. Would rather give Pakistani youngsters a chance than see rubbish overseas players getting preference.

Badar should be at 4. Malik and Pollard is a good 5 and 6 combo for T20s.

 

[reversehook]

That's the other thing with all our ex great players, who talk the talk in the studio rooms and on media, but when they are given a royal position to implement what they were preaching, they all fail big time.

 

[reversehook]

Disappointing if this is Maliks decision. Would rather give Pakistani youngsters a chance than see rubbish overseas players getting preference.

Badar should be at 4. Malik and Pollard is a good 5 and 6 combo for T20s.

captain and coach are responsible for the playing 11, mainly the captain. for the squad its the other way around, the coach management are mainly responsible with captain's input.

 

[reversehook]

look at quetta, hassan khan should have come way above before sarfi, but atleast he got a bat and won them the game... a kid who can bat sent in at #9... hopefully this cameo brings him up the order...

 

[Fahdi]

I really don't like Multan because of the way they have treated young talent. The entire team is made up of established players and they only throw in Saif Badar because they have to. I understand that franchises will only look after their own interests and don't exactly care for Pakistan cricket but if you are being told to groom a youngster at least do your job well.

 

[Titan24]

All teams are giving importance to TTFs apart from LQ and they have five defeats out of five. Tells you about the team setups. I think PCB needs to step in and not allow these TTFs to rule the roost.

You forgot IU, their management has regularly been playing two emerging players in 11 over the last two additions

 

[Rayyman]

You forgot IU, their management has regularly been playing two emerging players in 11 over the last two additions

Bro IU has been forced to play youngsters due to injuries, but they still don't play their youngsters. Talat regularly plays down the order and Farhan who is an opener didn't even bat last game.

 

[Sher Khan]

Tanvir was promoted ahead to keep left right batting combo and to negate Quetta potent left arm spinners. I wouldn’t mind someone like saif badar opening though, surely he’d do a better job than Shehzad.

 

[Oligochaetes]

It is not Shoaib Malik who has invested money in the team. He is getting paid by the owner to win the tournament, not to breed youngsters.

If you want to have a team field youngsters, and give them chances etc. buy your own PSL team!

 

[haris93]

List A average of 17.71 in 17 games and in t20s has average of 12 @ SR of 94 in 9 games and that is for specialize batsman is quite poor , So its understandable

 

[CricketAnalyst]

I had admired Malik as a person who gave youngsters fair chances, but the treatment he is giving to Saif badar is just pathetic.

First game, ok fine wasnt really needed as per game situation
Second game, batting first, could have sent the kid in there somewhere
Third game, chance given, he was average as the whole team didnt do much, but a lost opportunity
Fourth game, washout
Fifth game, quetta = was out for 102, could have and should have sent him in but was not given a chance, this was chased in 16.2 overs, so...
Sixth game, batting first, maqsood was on fire but once shehzad was out, could have given him an opportunity but opted not to
Seventh game, (today) again batting first, how can you not send this kid in, when tanvir gets a bat?

So, in 6 possible batting chances he was sent in once, and 1 game you can say that he wasnt needed as game was over long before. this is the kind of rubbish that needs to be stopped and these youngsters should be given fair shots. I am no Saif badar fan, nor am I a Malik hater, but give the kid a chance to see what he can materialize into. Other youngsters are being treated very much similarly if not worse.

Disgraceful comment.

This is a sporting tournament that should be respected.

What cricket are you guys willing to respect for it's own sake. The point of this is to win. Not to 'give chances' to people. You do whatever maximizes the team's chances of winning. It's actually astonishing that someone with such bad performance is even playing...

 

[kingusama92]

While I agree emerging players are getting treated poorly, it's not Malik's responsibility to make selections based on Pakistan's future.

He's paid to win now and that's his only job.

Up to this point, whatever he's doing is working because they're #1.

 

[big_gamer007]

Disgraceful comment.

This is a sporting tournament that should be respected.

What cricket are you guys willing to respect for it's own sake. The point of this is to win. Not to 'give chances' to people. You do whatever maximizes the team's chances of winning. It's actually astonishing that someone with such bad performance is even playing...

It is not Shoaib Malik who has invested money in the team. He is getting paid by the owner to win the tournament, not to breed youngsters.

If you want to have a team field youngsters, and give them chances etc. buy your own PSL team!

Exactly owners have put millions of dollars in franchise their motto is to win not to groom players.. it’s PCB’s job to groom young players at domestic level if they are not doing their work properly you can’t expect private investors to do their work for them..

Pakistani fans here are too emotional and seem to forget whose job is what.

 

[IMMY69]

I suspect the selection system of the first class system is a bit like the senate voting.. horse trading and money being exchanged for places.. I hope this hasn’t transferred to the PSL too.

 

[SM1989]

I think everyone should stop moaning. This is a private franchise and their aim is only to win and if the TTFs are making them win matches then there is no need for them to play youngsters who will probably bottle it on the grand stage. (I am already wary of the PP hype machine which has been overhyping players who later turned out to be absolute failures e.g. Amad Butt, Rafatullah Mohmand etc)

 

[reversehook]

While I agree emerging players are getting treated poorly, it's not Malik's responsibility to make selections based on Pakistan's future.

He's paid to win now and that's his only job.

Up to this point, whatever he's doing is working because they're #1.

Disgraceful comment.

This is a sporting tournament that should be respected.

What cricket are you guys willing to respect for it's own sake. The point of this is to win. Not to 'give chances' to people. You do whatever maximizes the team's chances of winning. It's actually astonishing that someone with such bad performance is even playing...

Exactly owners have put millions of dollars in franchise their motto is to win not to groom players.. it’s PCB’s job to groom young players at domestic level if they are not doing their work properly you can’t expect private investors to do their work for them..

Pakistani fans here are too emotional and seem to forget whose job is what.

When the owners signed up for psl, there was this lovely rule about blooding 1 youngster as a must in the playing 11 every game, so they have to obey by it, hence why we see the kid in the line up in every game. Yes winning is everything to them, but this kid is not a couch potato, he is a talented kid who has been talked a lot by. Malik (and coach) could have sent him in to bat in a few occasions rather easily without much damage, but never did. All they are doing with him is china cutting the rule. Malik is one of the guys who gives the youngsters and the unknowns opportunities to shine, yet here he has been a bit different. So it came as a bit odd and disappointing.

 

[kingusama92]

When the owners signed up for psl, there was this lovely rule about blooding 1 youngster as a must in the playing 11 every game, so they have to obey by it, hence why we see the kid in the line up in every game. Yes winning is everything to them, but this kid is not a couch potato, he is a talented kid who has been talked a lot by. Malik (and coach) could have sent him in to bat in a few occasions rather easily without much damage, but never did. All they are doing with him is china cutting the rule. Malik is one of the guys who gives the youngsters and the unknowns opportunities to shine, yet here he has been a bit different. So it came as a bit odd and disappointing.

Your disappointment is valid (and shared by me) but it's directed at the wrong people.

The coach/selectors/Malik aren't to blame because this is the PCB's fault. They should be far more aggressive with how emerging players are supposed to be utilized. For example, this could be done by increasing the number of emerging players in a squad or final XI.

You have to incentivize the use of emerging players so franchises feel compelled to maximize their potential.

With how the setup is right now, it's smarter to maximize foreigners and TTFs instead.

 

[SM1989]

When the owners signed up for psl, there was this lovely rule about blooding 1 youngster as a must in the playing 11 every game, so they have to obey by it, hence why we see the kid in the line up in every game. Yes winning is everything to them, but this kid is not a couch potato, he is a talented kid who has been talked a lot by. Malik (and coach) could have sent him in to bat in a few occasions rather easily without much damage, but never did. All they are doing with him is china cutting the rule. Malik is one of the guys who gives the youngsters and the unknowns opportunities to shine, yet here he has been a bit different. So it came as a bit odd and disappointing.

Is he as talented as Rafatullah Mohmand was?

 

[Mercurial]

Not sure what is so special about him?

 

[UN talkz]

Not sure what is so special about him?

Then simply go and pick another player, why waste this guy and play him as a specialist fielder

 

[reversehook]

Your disappointment is valid (and shared by me) but it's directed at the wrong people.

The coach/selectors/Malik aren't to blame because this is the PCB's fault. They should be far more aggressive with how emerging players are supposed to be utilized. For example, this could be done by increasing the number of emerging players in a squad or final XI.

You have to incentivize the use of emerging players so franchises feel compelled to maximize their potential.

With how the setup is right now, it's smarter to maximize foreigners and TTFs instead.

That is one thing the PCB can do to make teams select 2 youngsters, but i am sure the teams will find another way to cut the corners. What i have come to believe is that teams are doing these supposed talent hunts etc as a "this is the chance to find youngsters for you PCB, dont ask us to play them in the tournament".

 

[reversehook]

Is he as talented as Rafatullah Mohmand was?

Not sure what is so special about him?

There was some upside to him, he shined at the under 19 level, but we don't know where he stands against the big boys, won't really know if he doesn't bat. My thing is, I want to see him (like any other youngsters - for whom i really watch this stupid t20 tournament to begin with) play and see if he could be blooded into our national side or not.

 

[Mercurial]

Then simply go and pick another player, why waste this guy and play him as a specialist fielder

Actually, looking at his record, he seems mediocre, may be that's why the management or captain doesn't trust him in the top or middle order, but he still is in the playing XI, he will get a chance to bat properly someday in this tournament.

 

[big_gamer007]

When the owners signed up for psl, there was this lovely rule about blooding 1 youngster as a must in the playing 11 every game, so they have to obey by it, hence why we see the kid in the line up in every game. Yes winning is everything to them, but this kid is not a couch potato, he is a talented kid who has been talked a lot by. Malik (and coach) could have sent him in to bat in a few occasions rather easily without much damage, but never did. All they are doing with him is china cutting the rule. Malik is one of the guys who gives the youngsters and the unknowns opportunities to shine, yet here he has been a bit different. So it came as a bit odd and disappointing.

You are missing the point, PSL owners agreed to play emerging players in playing 11 and saif is in the playing 11. The management/coaches etc do not agree with your point that saif could have don’t better than Malik or Tanveer or whoever if sent earlier they thought what’s best to win and sent that player in without taking into account the emotions..
That is how it should be you should play to win and send the best people at best positions.. Now if saif is extremely talented and could have done better as you said then team management/coaching staff are bad at recognising talent..

Ultimately Saif is getting valuable experience sharing dressing room and coaching/training methods with top pakistani players so it’s not like it’s a total waste.. Have patience and maybe he will get opportunities when time comes..

Till then blame PCB you guys are thinking of PSL as a PCB tournament when it’s actually run by private investors in a way..

 

[reversehook]

^ If you followed all the games of multan, it was clear that he could have been sent in to bat in a few occasions without hurting the team's chances.

No where i am claiming this kid to be the next bradman, he is a kid who did well at u19 level, and want to see him bat and see if there is anything there to look forward to or not. And with young talent you will never know until you try them in game situations.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

^ If you followed all the games of multan, it was clear that he could have been sent in to bat in a few occasions without hurting the team's chances.

No where i am claiming this kid to be the next bradman, he is a kid who did well at u19 level, and want to see him bat and see if there is anything there to look forward to or not. And with young talent you will never know until you try them in game situations.

It's not a talent hunt. It's a show-piece tournament of PCB. It's very disrespectful to the game to suggest that it should be treated as some kind of trial. If he was good enough, they would have batted him up the order. One look at his stats tells you he is a weak player with a high chance to waste balls and cost Multan a match.

 

[reversehook]

It's not a talent hunt. It's a show-piece tournament of PCB. It's very disrespectful to the game to suggest that it should be treated as some kind of trial. If he was good enough, they would have batted him up the order. One look at his stats tells you he is a weak player with a high chance to waste balls and cost Multan a match.

what stats, lolz, he has only batted in 3 t20's so far. He is very new on the scene to make any conclusions. if he is crap as some are alluding him to be, they do have another kid in abdullah, another u19, give him some fielding opportunities too, y not.

 

[Varun]

I'll tell you this much: if the guy is so talented he will rise to the surface sooner or later. There is no chance that he will disappear over the long term if he is a good batsman, especially in a team (Pakistan) which is in desperate need of them at the moment.

 

[ShahidDar08]

Every team in PSL is doing the same thing, apart from Islamabad United to some extent. I don't understand the logic of playing a trodler Asad Shafiq when he is not even in the ODI squad.

Last match Sohail Tanvir came at number 3, why not Saif baddar?

Misbah has a soft corner for Asif Ali, who has done nothing in 6 matches, sending him ahead of opener Farhan and talented Talat.

Unfortunate but true Karachi Kings and Peshawar Zalmi are not at all interested in youngsters.

 

[reversehook]

Kid got an opportunity today but kinda bottled it to a raging hot shaheen shah afridi...

so far he is making Malik look like a genius... doesnt look top drawer talent yet, needs lots of hard work

 

[CricketAnalyst]

what stats, lolz, he has only batted in 3 t20's so far. He is very new on the scene to make any conclusions. if he is crap as some are alluding him to be, they do have another kid in abdullah, another u19, give him some fielding opportunities too, y not.

He has performed poorly in every format. Not only T20. Collectively he has 30+ innings in professional cricket, averages abt 15. His Strike Rate is woeful in all format. There is not a single reason anyone should think this guy ought to play.

He got his chance today and scored an awful duck. Just no reason at all for me to think this player merits special treatment.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

On top of that he's now dropped two critical catches and given away 8 runs at an utterly critical stage of the match of the opposition captain.

How much leeway should guys like this get in the name of hunting for 'talent'. If anyone is talented, franchises won't need added incentives to select them.

 

[reversehook]

wow, buttered up his fingers pretty good today didnt he... is having a royaly bad day

 

[Rayyman]

Saif Butter

Unfortunate. Should've taken those. Needs to improve soon as a fielder.

 

[shokz1408]

LOL. Dropped McCullum twice, seriously needs to improve his fielding if he wants to make something of himself.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

LOL. Dropped McCullum twice, seriously needs to improve his fielding if he wants to make something of himself.

lol yea

 

[reversehook]

gotta feel for him though, his confidence is in the gutters right about now...

 

[CricketAnalyst]

gotta feel for him though, his confidence is in the gutters right about now...

Nothing to do with confidence or otherwise. He simply is not good enough.

He's played a total of 30 professional games and performed horribly. It would have been a miracle if he started playing a higher standard of cricket against better players and somehow started playing well.

 

[reversehook]

finally malik is coming good, give the kid a bowl... i can appreciate that, as this will hopefully boost him, and he takes a wicket...

 

[BlueDoritos]

He's turning it well. Gulraiz gifted him a wicket.

 

[reversehook]

Nothing to do with confidence or otherwise. He simply is not good enough.

He's played a total of 30 professional games and performed horribly. It would have been a miracle if he started playing a higher standard of cricket against better players and somehow started playing well.

thank god u r not an analyst to any up and coming youngster... plus dont mix the formats... a lot of good kids dont start off good (saeed anwar had like 6 straight ducks when he started out)... some duds do good at the beginning and are touted as legends but then fizz out...

patience and bigger sample for appropriate formats is required....

 

[Khan12]

Nothing to do with confidence or otherwise. He simply is not good enough.

He's played a total of 30 professional games and performed horribly. It would have been a miracle if he started playing a higher standard of cricket against better players and somehow started playing well.

Have you seen him bat?

 

[reversehook]

Have you seen him bat?

highly doubt it...

 

[Khan12]

highly doubt it...

He is a very good prospect. But unfortunately hasn't been given a proper chance yet. A top order Batsmen batting at 7 or 8 and at times below tanvir.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Have you seen him bat?

Seen highlights of his U-19. But anyone can look good in highlights.

I don't think anyone with lot of talent will be averaging so poorly and with such bad SR at FC or List A level.

Even at 19. Now of course he can improve. Anyone can. But there is no evidence of his talent (and there are lots of youngsters who do have talent). I have nothing against him personally. Just stats say he is not good enough to play at this level, and everything we've seen confirms that.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

highly doubt it...

I did to whatever extent I can. I watch a lot of cricket. Pakistan domestic isn't telecast live (I doubt even in Pakistan apart from few games).

And I am not taking this stance because I don't appreciate young talent. My point is there's a lot of harm in designating someone as talented and giving them chances they wouldn't have otherwise.

This is a prime product of Pakistan cricket which has already done much good for the Pakistani game. Nobody needed an incentive to play Shadab Khan or Hasan Khan because they were good enough. In IPL countless youngsters get picked for crores with no quota. Players will be picked if they have talent at young age, and giving chances won't help anyone who lacks ability.

You devalue PSL a lot if you want people to keep getting chances even if not good enough. The quality of league matters to viewers, to foreign players who are supporting the league etc. Pakistan has no shortage of talent so you should trust the talent to compete on their own merit than be given chances no mattter how bad their data.

 

[reversehook]

I did to whatever extent I can. I watch a lot of cricket. Pakistan domestic isn't telecast live (I doubt even in Pakistan apart from few games).

And I am not taking this stance because I don't appreciate young talent. My point is there's a lot of harm in designating someone as talented and giving them chances they wouldn't have otherwise.

This is a prime product of Pakistan cricket which has already done much good for the Pakistani game. Nobody needed an incentive to play Shadab Khan or Hasan Khan because they were good enough. In IPL countless youngsters get picked for crores with no quota. Players will be picked if they have talent at young age, and giving chances won't help anyone who lacks ability.

You devalue PSL a lot if you want people to keep getting chances even if not good enough. The quality of league matters to viewers, to foreign players who are supporting the league etc. Pakistan has no shortage of talent so you should trust the talent to compete on their own merit than be given chances no mattter how bad their data.

thing is in India/IPL they are past the stage we are still stuck at, and that is sticking with TTF's... you guys are already rich on batting depths, that if the odd kid misses out no one would notice. We don't have that luxury, we only have a select few that show some signs, and are desperate to see if they are worthy or not. The thing here is we are not saying give the kid special treatment, but are requesting that play him at his natural batting spot (he is upper order bat). With Pakistan it is a really bad trend where they throw in kids at improper positions, and often in the wrong formats. I understand the business aspect and everything, but we the fans are desperate for good batting talents to be unearthed, and that needs to be understood too.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

thing is in India/IPL they are past the stage we are still stuck at, and that is sticking with TTF's... you guys are already rich on batting depths, that if the odd kid misses out no one would notice. We don't have that luxury, we only have a select few that show some signs, and are desperate to see if they are worthy or not. The thing here is we are not saying give the kid special treatment, but are requesting that play him at his natural batting spot (he is upper order bat). With Pakistan it is a really bad trend where they throw in kids at improper positions, and often in the wrong formats. I understand the business aspect and everything, but we the fans are desperate for good batting talents to be unearthed, and that needs to be understood too.

Shadab Khan started at 6, 7, 8. Last game he was promoted to 3. This is meritocracy. If someone is good, that talent will shine through whatever position you bat him at. There are so many world-class batters who started very low, but were promoted because they showed the spark.

 

[reversehook]

Shadab Khan started at 6, 7, 8. Last game he was promoted to 3. This is meritocracy. If someone is good, that talent will shine through whatever position you bat him at. There are so many world-class batters who started very low, but were promoted because they showed the spark.

shadab is a bowler who can bat aswell....

saif is an upper order bat.... big difference...

gonna have to wait, no other choice.... we r desperate for batters....

 

[CricketAnalyst]

shadab is a bowler who can bat aswell....

saif is an upper order bat.... big difference...

gonna have to wait, no other choice.... we r desperate for batters....

Than even more shame.

If you are a good batsman you can bat anywhere.

There are a lot of specialist batsmen who are worse than the bowlers. It's a fact.

That's a bad thing. Not something to be celebrated. How can he be good enough as a batsman if he can't bat at 6 or 7?

 

[reversehook]

Than even more shame.

If you are a good batsman you can bat anywhere.

There are a lot of specialist batsmen who are worse than the bowlers. It's a fact.

That's a bad thing. Not something to be celebrated. How can he be good enough as a batsman if he can't bat at 6 or 7?

ever heard of being labelled? a hack, slogger, etc etc... if he goes and tries to hit out he will be labelled as a hack/slogger etc... i will wait till he bats at #3-5....

 

[reversehook]

look at what happened to afridi... 1 fluke out of world innings at the beginning and his whole career he had to live upto those false expectations... some fans saw through what he was... a bowler who could be used as a finisher or give u odd gem of an innings.... some fans, pcb, and himself still dont see that to this day... i think he has come to realize it though but really late...