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DeadlyVenom said:
This is Indian version of standing up, fake aggression.

Like you guys thought Kohli speaking into stump mic was standing up :kp.

He can make symbolic gesture to Trump. Let Trump tweet he got a great deal and he will move onto the next country
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When did India do any aggression? Not accepting being bullied is showing aggression according to you? LMAO

As I said, India is no Pakistan, Modi is no Imran Khan and Indian opposition is no Asim Munir. We are a khudgarz nation.

India continues to buy oil from Russia after Trump's initial 25% tariffs. Now that India is not listening, Trump who may be on his periods is getting mood swing and threating to increase Tariffs more.

Btw, is Bloomberg Indian version?

Modi Defiant as Trump Steps Up Pressure on India​


US President Donald Trump has said he would be "substantially raising" the tariff on Indian exports to the US over the Asian nation's purchases of Russian oil, a move New Delhi slammed as unjustified in an escalating fight between the two major economies. Bloomberg's Jon Herskovitz explains why Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has struck a defiant tone in the face of Trump's tariff threats


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Rajdeep said:
When did India do any aggression? Not accepting being bullied is showing aggression according to you? LMAO

As I said, India is no Pakistan, Modi is no Imran Khan and Indian opposition is no Asim Munir. We are a khudgarz nation.

India continues to buy oil from Russia after Trump's initial 25% tariffs. Now that India is not listening, Trump who may be on his periods is getting mood swing and threating to increase Tariffs more.

Btw, is Bloomberg Indian version?

Modi Defiant as Trump Steps Up Pressure on India​


US President Donald Trump has said he would be "substantially raising" the tariff on Indian exports to the US over the Asian nation's purchases of Russian oil, a move New Delhi slammed as unjustified in an escalating fight between the two major economies. Bloomberg's Jon Herskovitz explains why Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has struck a defiant tone in the face of Trump's tariff threats


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@Cpt. Rishwat yes read this version from MSN.
 
Trump has gone on a weird rant in last 1 week against India, lets see if MAGA gets behind him on this.. they do seem to be confused as they have to care about Ukraine now which they weren’t supposed to 3 months ago.
 
World is in a weird stage.

USA is now enemy of India, Russia, Iran & China
China & India dont get along
Russia & China are friends
India & Russia are friends
USA likes Pakistan & Israel
Pakistan hates Israel but loves Iran whom USA hates
Israel and India are friends

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DeadlyVenom said:
Trump is negotiating with a bigger idiot. Modi is paw paw to these loonies. Skilled leaders can handle him very quickly and easily, Starmer gave him letter from the Queen and offered a state visit, Asim Munir gave him a peace prize nomination, EU made some random concessions.

Indias problem is 56 inch chest leader has hot sindoor flowing through his veins. If he does anything to pacify Trump then his chest will shrink in the eyes of his supporters.

They haven't stood up at all. They wrote a letter displaying the alleged hypocrisy of the US and the EU. While it was applauded internally, to the rest of the world, it was basically the political version of the " how can she slap" viral video.
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Pakistan’s diplomats figured it out early, all it took was a little tickling of Trump’s ego to get him on their side. Simple. Watching India now attempting to 'stand up' to him is, admittedly, a refreshing change of pace. But let’s be real, India doesn’t have the stamina to keep this act up for long. Sooner or later, the bravado will fade, and India will be forced to toe the line, starting with cutting off Russian oil.
 
JaDed said:
Trump has gone on a weird rant in last 1 week against India, lets see if MAGA gets behind him on this.. they do seem to be confused as they have to care about Ukraine now which they weren’t supposed to 3 months ago.
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Maga was mainly retards anyway.

Trump led them on a dance about no wars, Russia good, and Epstein files then turned his back on those dummies on all of his major points :ROFLMAO:

Even Indian MAGA like @Champ_Pal has given up on Trumps ideology.

However on the matter of India Trump is 100% correct.
 
HalBass9 said:
Pakistan’s diplomats figured it out early, all it took was a little tickling of Trump’s ego to get him on their side. Simple. Watching India now attempting to 'stand up' to him is, admittedly, a refreshing change of pace. But let’s be real, India doesn’t have the stamina to keep this act up for long. Sooner or later, the bravado will fade, and India will be forced to toe the line, starting with cutting off Russian oil.
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Doesn’t seem to be that simple, everything can’t be about Trump’s ego.

Pakistan is offering something India doesn’t have or can’t.
While actions will play out in next 4-5 years but India will have to buy Russian oil as we have lot of poor people , inflation will go to roof if India goes to market to buy oil.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Maga was mainly retards anyway.

Trump led them on a dance about no wars, Russia good, and Epstein files then turned his back on those dummies on all of his major points :ROFLMAO:

Even Indian MAGA like @Champ_Pal has given up on Trumps ideology.

However on the matter of India Trump is 100% correct.
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They might be retards but unfortunately they are able to vote in heavy numbers causing damage.
 
JaDed said:
Doesn’t seem to be that simple, everything can’t be about Trump’s ego.

Pakistan is offering something India doesn’t have or can’t.
While actions will play out in next 4-5 years but India will have to buy Russian oil as we have lot of poor people , inflation will go to roof if India goes to market to buy oil.
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I believe India could have avoided all of this had India admitted that Trump helped negotiated the ceasefire.
 
HalBass9 said:
I believe India could have avoided all of this had India admitted that Trump helped negotiated the ceasefire.
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I doubt that, Trump keeps demanding more and more, from his supporters as well.
I just hope India goes ahead with the structural reforms needed now since Trump is directly threatening India of not buying American agricultural products.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Maga was mainly retards anyway.

Trump led them on a dance about no wars, Russia good, and Epstein files then turned his back on those dummies on all of his major points :ROFLMAO:

Even Indian MAGA like @Champ_Pal has given up on Trumps ideology.

However on the matter of India Trump is 100% correct.
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How?

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I just hope all the Trump loving Indians learnt their lesson.
They better realise Zionists are the same.

If US can be terrible to Canada they can be terrible to any partner that is a sovereign nation.
 
Rajdeep said:
How?

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JaDed said:
I doubt that, Trump keeps demanding more and more, from his supporters as well.
I just hope India goes ahead with the structural reforms needed now since Trump is directly threatening India of not buying American agricultural products.
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Could you provide a more detailed explanation on this?
 
HalBass9 said:
Could you provide a more detailed explanation on this?
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Farm Laws
Labor Laws
Education reforms
Even Sebi is asking for Derivative reforms.

Farm and Labor reforms are most necessary .

Privatising State Run companies are unfortunately necessary against which there is a lot of opposition with Bharat Bandh.
 
HalBass9 said:
Pakistan’s diplomats figured it out early, all it took was a little tickling of Trump’s ego to get him on their side. Simple. Watching India now attempting to 'stand up' to him is, admittedly, a refreshing change of pace. But let’s be real, India doesn’t have the stamina to keep this act up for long. Sooner or later, the bravado will fade, and India will be forced to toe the line, starting with cutting off Russian oil.
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I hope that doesn't happen. Russia was a long term ally and they are eastern partners. India has had it easy by playing both sides, Trump has done the world a favour. India can choose whichever side they feel suits them, but they can no longer sit on the fence and hope to benefit both ways.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I hope that doesn't happen. Russia was a long term ally and they are eastern partners. India has had it easy by playing both sides, Trump has done the world a favour. India can choose whichever side they feel suits them, but they can no longer sit on the fence and hope to benefit both ways.
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First EU should choose a side and cut their trade immediately Russia ll go bankrupt.
 

'Don't burn ties with India': Nikki Haley accuses Trump of favouring China while threatening Delhi over Russian oil​

Nikki Haley’s comments came after Donald Trump warned he would “very substantially” raise tariffs on Indian goods within 24 hours, blaming India’s continued imports of Russian crude.​


In a sharp rebuke to US President Donald Trump’s rhetoric against India and his threat to raise US tariffs on New Delhi for buying Russian oil, Republican leader and former US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley has called out what she sees as a dangerous double standard in Washington’s approach.

 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:

'Don't burn ties with India': Nikki Haley accuses Trump of favouring China while threatening Delhi over Russian oil​

Nikki Haley’s comments came after Donald Trump warned he would “very substantially” raise tariffs on Indian goods within 24 hours, blaming India’s continued imports of Russian crude.​


In a sharp rebuke to US President Donald Trump’s rhetoric against India and his threat to raise US tariffs on New Delhi for buying Russian oil, Republican leader and former US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley has called out what she sees as a dangerous double standard in Washington’s approach.

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Nikki became Nimrata again :bhajji
 
i got tagged in this thread somewhere so ill give my 2 pennies' worth, no country can exist in a bubble, as large as india is, its long term prosperity is reliant on trade with the west and supplying human capital to the west, getting slapped with big tariffs is problematic, however india has always had a protectionist lean so it was only a matter or time. but india can ride this out if the calculation is that this a trump one term thing, however weakening ties with the usa in the long run are bad news.

this however mirrors a trend of religio-nationalism in indian politics that fails to see the bigger picture for short term consensus building amongst the majority. pakistan went through the same rubbish in the 80s under zia, and india is doing it now, fortunately the average indian is not as radicalised as the poorer less educated heartlands of the BJP extremist so the whole country is unlikely to suffer, but im assuming you will see the magnification of the long term disassociation between the south and the north of the country.
 

India brushes off Trump tariff threat over Russian oil​


India has pushed back against US President Donald Trump's threat to impose higher tariffs on Indian goods. New Delhi condemned Western criticism of its buying oil from Moscow, vowing to protect its national interests.


India on Monday denounced as unfair the mounting pressure from the United States and European Union over its continued purchases of Russian oil.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Randhir Jaiswal said the country would safeguard its economic interests amid threats of steep tariffs from President Donald Trump.

What did New Delhi say about trade with Russia?​

"The targeting of India is unjustified and unreasonable," said Jaiswal, asserting the country's sovereign right to secure energy supplies in line with its needs.

"Like any major economy, India will take all necessary measures to safeguard its national interests and economic security," he added.

Jaiswal also argued that India's imports began only after Western countries wound down traditional supplies to Europe following the outbreak of the Ukraine war. He also accused both the EU and the US of hypocrisy.

"It is revealing that the very nations criticizing India are themselves indulging in trade with Russia," Jaiswal said.

"Unlike our case, such trade is not even a vital national compulsion."

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India brushes off Trump tariff threat over Russian oil – DW – 08/04/2025

India has pushed back against US President Donald Trump's threat to impose higher tariffs on Indian goods. New Delhi condemned Western criticism of its buying oil from Moscow, vowing to protect its national interests.
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If US and EU have zero trade with Russia they can go ahead and ask other countries to stop but lol on this.. I do expect MAGA now to care about Ukrainians.
 
Switzerland President is coming to States and Indian Security chief to Moscow lol.

Very similar thing Imran did 3 years ago
 
At the end of the day, it's all about ego, Ukraine is just the stage. The EU stroked his ego, played along. Modi, however, couldn't afford to do the same, domestic politics wouldn't allow it.
 
HalBass9 said:
At the end of the day, it's all about ego, Ukraine is just the stage. The EU stroked his ego, played along. Modi, however, couldn't afford to do the same, domestic politics wouldn't allow it.
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EU could play along as they have many MAGA types , growing in popularity every single day.

One can say what they want but the right wing nutcases in South Asia won’t hold a candle against the Western ones.
 
Rajdeep said:
Except Modi is no Imran
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Yes, also Modi is the leader who cannot be toppled by Army, having said that CIA should never be underestimated they could literally create fire in TN ,N.East, Panjab.

Question is how far both are ready to go before India agrees to sponsor Trump for peace prize lol
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
That's behind a paywall. So what you call defiance is staying silent and just carrying on with same policy. Just provide some quotes of defiance, or is Modi too timid to answer back to Trump's jibes?
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Yes let's look at actions.

One country kills the same terrorist allies under Musharraf
Runs to papa after getting screwed in Kargil
Let's anyone come and drone their country
Begs for imf loans
Does nothing when VIP terrorist guest is killed near their primary military HQ
Thanks for saving in op Sindoor again
Calls themselves the uncalled protector of Muslims but nominates for noble prize as he bombs Muslims..

These are the actions or words from one country

Other country... Calls out bs claims
Doesn't accept trading diktats .goes on buying oil and stands beside an ally
Accepts tarrifs
And is not stupid enough to publicly pick up a fight so that things can be resolved behind closed doors.

You tell me which country will you be proud of
 
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DeadlyVenom said:
All peaceful people of the world should be advocating for regime change and denuclearisation of India.

They cannot continue on this path they have chosen. They are threat to the regional stability.

Donald, we are with you, raise the tariffs day by day.
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There is only one country in the world who articulates nuclear threat with their arsenal effectively under uncle sams control..lmao..not even north Korea runs to international media threatening nuclear attack
 
DeadlyVenom said:
This is Indian version of standing up, fake aggression.

Like you guys thought Kohli speaking into stump mic was standing up :kp.

He can make symbolic gesture to Trump. Let Trump tweet he got a great deal and he will move onto the next country
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Na man..we think kohlis six against harris rauf in a grandstand finish literally shutting up the entire country as standing up...
 
straighttalk said:
There is only one country in the world who articulates nuclear threat with their arsenal effectively under uncle sams control..lmao..not even north Korea runs to international media threatening nuclear attack
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This is the delusion that is resulting in India becoming pariah of the world
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Trump is negotiating with a bigger idiot. Modi is paw paw to these loonies. Skilled leaders can handle him very quickly and easily, Starmer gave him letter from the Queen and offered a state visit, Asim Munir gave him a peace prize nomination, EU made some random concessions.

Indias problem is 56 inch chest leader has hot sindoor flowing through his veins. If he does anything to pacify Trump then his chest will shrink in the eyes of his supporters.

They haven't stood up at all. They wrote a letter displaying the alleged hypocrisy of the US and the EU. While it was applauded internally, to the rest of the world, it was basically the political version of the " how can she slap" viral video.
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Actually no..
Stamer signed a deal that is pro US. Less said about EU the better . Asif Munir handed over non existent oil and god knows which terrorist assets and airbases...we will know later plus handing over crypto industry etc.

By your token China and Russia are also losers compared to Asif Munir the great. Countries which have nothing to offer stoop to boot licking..powerful countries negotiate for a win win deal.
 
straighttalk said:
Actually no..
Stamer signed a deal that is pro US. Less said about EU the better . Asif Munir handed over non existent oil and god knows which terrorist assets and airbases...we will know later plus handing over crypto industry etc.

By your token China and Russia are also losers compared to Asif Munir the great. Countries which have nothing to offer stoop to boot licking..powerful countries negotiate for a win win deal.
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China and Russia were hostile before Trump took over anyway.

In comparison you guys were jumping up and down as you were supposedly on the softer end of tariffs. The common perception on PP amongst Indians was Trump was offering significant advantage to India at expense of China.

However, a few weeks later, Trump suddenly changed. We have walked you through a significant event that happened in that timeframe but you have put your fingers in your ears and said la la la instead of acknowledging the severity of the blow to India.

India has been reduced to seeking alliances with Afghanistan and on the global stage has been reduced to dead economy and next to the pariah state of Russia.
 
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straighttalk said:
In your above statement the only factually correct part is Indians expected Trump to be pro India and that has backfired.
OP Sindoor is anything was a massive success..and to make things clear ...Paksitan is a non entity..to be used discarded like a street whore as US has done time and again...blowing up enemy assets at a cost of one jet that is still not proven...is a massive success in any books except indoctrinated army rules am Abdul's...

Trump's tirade has to do with high Indian tarrifs, trade deficit and the fake Russian oil pressure tactics...Pakistan doesn't exist in that equation .as I said it's an expected fact of life that Paksitan will get humiliated in any military confrontation with India since 1947...sometimes unequivocally and strategically like 71 Kargil Siachen..and rest of the times tactically which allows your Mullah generals to declare victory.

Indian relationship is intact with all its allies...including USA ...we are forging a tactical relationship with Afghanistan for obvious reasons...
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The Arnab's guest.
 
Trump on India saying US purchases uranium, chemicals and fertilisers from Russia :

I don't know anything about it, I'd have to check, but we'll get back to you on that

Knowing trump, he probably doesn’t really know about it…hahahahaha 🤡🤡🤡

:klopp :kp
 
ElRaja said:
i got tagged in this thread somewhere so ill give my 2 pennies' worth, no country can exist in a bubble, as large as india is, its long term prosperity is reliant on trade with the west and supplying human capital to the west, getting slapped with big tariffs is problematic, however india has always had a protectionist lean so it was only a matter or time. but india can ride this out if the calculation is that this a trump one term thing, however weakening ties with the usa in the long run are bad news.

this however mirrors a trend of religio-nationalism in indian politics that fails to see the bigger picture for short term consensus building amongst the majority. pakistan went through the same rubbish in the 80s under zia, and india is doing it now, fortunately the average indian is not as radicalised as the poorer less educated heartlands of the BJP extremist so the whole country is unlikely to suffer, but im assuming you will see the magnification of the long term disassociation between the south and the north of the country.
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North or south, Trumps demands are unreasonable there is no way any party would have give into these demands be it Congress or BJP. This will hurt our exports a little, at worse 0.5% of GDP growth which offcourse is not ideal for a developing economy but what US wants is disastrous for us in long run. We will just have to wait it out , if Trump continues with this
 
straighttalk said:
In your above statement the only factually correct part is Indians expected Trump to be pro India and that has backfired.
OP Sindoor is anything was a massive success..and to make things clear ...Paksitan is a non entity..to be used discarded like a street whore as US has done time and again...blowing up enemy assets at a cost of one jet that is still not proven...is a massive success in any books except indoctrinated army rules am Abdul's...

Trump's tirade has to do with high Indian tarrifs, trade deficit and the fake Russian oil pressure tactics...Pakistan doesn't exist in that equation .as I said it's an expected fact of life that Paksitan will get humiliated in any military confrontation with India since 1947...sometimes unequivocally and strategically like 71 Kargil Siachen..and rest of the times tactically which allows your Mullah generals to declare victory.

Indian relationship is intact with all its allies...including USA ...we are forging a tactical relationship with Afghanistan for obvious reasons...
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Losing five planes in a skirmish you started yourself, that too in your own territory, to a non-entity is quite embarrassing to say the least.

Trump is literally bulldozing Modi everywhere, and despite your feeble attempts at a ‘counter attack’, your Prime Minister doesn’t have the balls to take Trump’s name and call him out as a liar.

I think we all know why that is too, stop bringing Pakistan into matters nothing to do with it
 
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We are not bringing Paksitan into it..look at the post I'm responding..he said Trump is against India because apparently India lost a jet..that the stupidest thing I have heard ever. First we didn't lose 5 planes...maybe 1 but most likely you got the decoys as there is 0 video or images of the crash that is not AI generated. There are not even videos of explosions in the sky...how is the even possible for a hour long 125 jets firefight.

Anyhow let's assume 2-3 jets were down..so what India achieved its strategic goal..planes are meant to attack and will always be at risk..luckily no pilots were harmed. Yet again no parachutes or ejected seats were found..so doubt any plane actually got hit.

It is your fantasy ...he is bulldozing anyone. He is not respected anywhere by anyone intelligent...he has power...he made claims...india rejected those claims as also mediation request..rejected an interview..publicly denied any role...didn't accept bad trade deals .didn't stop buying oil...so what is bulldozing in your opinion..did Trump take modis name ever..then why would modi take his name.
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What Pakistan and sindoor have to do with this thread?


Kindly stop this irrelevant talk now..

Stop derailing the thread
 
The fate has given another chance to gaddars to stand for their country after they failed to do so during Op Sindoor. Lets see where their priorities lie this time.

#RajdeepWednesday
 
It is hilarious to see the 'anpad andhbhakts' who once blindly supported Trump now turning against him, while the informed folks always knew what he truly was. Abki baar, Dolaand Trump ki sarkar. :yk :inti
 
HalBass9 said:
At the end of the day, it's all about ego, Ukraine is just the stage. The EU stroked his ego, played along. Modi, however, couldn't afford to do the same, domestic politics wouldn't allow it.
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You have to consider where each player comes from, where they stand today, and what their future potential looks like.

The EU is not a nation-state, so it doesn’t carry the same responsibility of national pride or sovereignty. It is essentially a mini-USA firmly embedded in the Western bloc and historically among the original colonial powers responsible for global exploitation and conflict. The EU has blood on its hands and thus lacks the moral authority to challenge the US or anything. Because they are complicit in the very system the US now weaponizes. For decades the EU reaped trillions in benefits from this West-centric global order they helped construct. That’s precisely why someone like Trump can openly mock and humiliate European leaders who are no longer in a position to offer moral or strategic resistance.

In contrast, countries like China, India, and Brazil who are showing defiance are all proud sovereign nations. Subjugation is not an option for them. Their rise has come not through inherited privilege or ideological compromise but through decades of perseverance and hard work by their people earning far less per capita than Western bloc nations. They did not trade away sovereignty or national pride to reach where they are today. In our case, Indian people have worked for very little for decades to put our country in a position it is today. We did not reach here through handouts.

Now of course the bargaining power of each of these nations varies based on their respective economic size and geopolitical weight. But the common theme remains resistance to the old world order. I understand this being a Pakistani forum so a lot of focus is on India related affairs but those of us who have been following this all from the beginning know its not just India and that Trump is on a war path against the entire Global South leadership right now and no country so far has shown any indication of folding to TACO Trump's threats.

So you're right to say ego plays a part but while the EU feels obliged to indulge Trump's ego due to its historical complicity and dependence, sovereign powers in the Global South have no such burden. They are capable of weathering external pressures for a long period of time. American hegemony may try to delay their ascent but it cannot stop it altogether.
 
ElRaja said:
i got tagged in this thread somewhere so ill give my 2 pennies' worth, no country can exist in a bubble, as large as india is, its long term prosperity is reliant on trade with the west and supplying human capital to the west, getting slapped with big tariffs is problematic, however india has always had a protectionist lean so it was only a matter or time. but india can ride this out if the calculation is that this a trump one term thing, however weakening ties with the usa in the long run are bad news.

this however mirrors a trend of religio-nationalism in indian politics that fails to see the bigger picture for short term consensus building amongst the majority. pakistan went through the same rubbish in the 80s under zia, and india is doing it now, fortunately the average indian is not as radicalised as the poorer less educated heartlands of the BJP extremist so the whole country is unlikely to suffer, but im assuming you will see the magnification of the long term disassociation between the south and the north of the country.
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Thanks for sharing your perspective, i think i had tagged you because i value your generally reasonable comments which are not always emotionally driven as a Pakistani.

You’re right, India does depend significantly on trade with the West but our reluctance to bow to Trump’s increasingly rigid demands isn’t about ego or hindu nationalism but about safeguarding long-term interests.

Take agriculture and dairy. The US wants India to open these sensitive sectors but that would devastate millions of small Indian farmers and dairy producers who cannot compete with heavily mechanized and subsidized large scale American competitors. No government regardless of ideology can afford that kind of economic and social disruption. Its not an economic barrier from Indian POV but a necessity arising out of our societal construct.

Then there’s defense where the US expects India to buy the most expensive weapons platforms in the world without any commitment on timelines for deliveries, without offering source-code access, tech transfer, or long-term maintenance guarantees, nothing! India has diversified its suppliers base out of necessity to maintain long term reliability.

As for Russian oil, i think that's a general topic so you know everything about energy requirements and the double standards of Western sanctions. In pure economic terms, India's done the world a favour by purchasing Russian oil and stabilizing the price and deliveries of crude oil globally and we were encouraged to do originally by the Americans. Now Trump thinks its an issue because he wants to put a gun on our head to agree to his demands.

So yes, relations with the US matter enormously. But India is not a subordinate ally. Our leadership is answerable to the people of India. Playing the long game sometimes means weathering short-term pain especially when the alternative is accepting terms that compromise core national interests. Life cannot always by hunky dory. There will be challenging times which every nation must be prepared to face. Everyone can see how Trump is attacking leading nations of the Global South. We have to whether the storm collectively.

The bigger picture that we see is one that includes defending our sovereignty and national pride in global affairs.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
India's failure to take leadership of Asia, or at least be one of the two major players should have been a good indicator of coming failures. Their descent into hindutva nonsense and subsequent focus on Pakistan has just showcased their lack of vision and solutions. They just aren't equipped for the modern world. They are just a souped up larger version of Pakistan.
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When did pakistanis become the judge of what indi is or isn’t.
HalBass9 said:
I believe India could have avoided all of this had India admitted that Trump helped negotiated the ceasefire.
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That’s not how it works in India. our policy can’t be decided in the white house
 
HalBass9 said:
You keep chanting “I have said it many times” like a broken record, as if repetition magically changes the ground reality. Reality isn’t defined by how many times you parrot a line; it’s defined by outcomes.
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Well, what I keep chanting is what is happening, Pakistan is broke, living on IMF bailouts sitting at 24 times now and more bailouts likely to follow in the future. Are these IMF bailouts helping the Pakistani citizens? Nope, it is for your military heroes to fund their and their families' lifestyles in west, with their homes, education, gambling and what not. Pakistan, I say again; is lost a cause, no coming back...
HalBass9 said:
No point in unpacking every spin. I’ll counter just the one point that actually matters, India attacked Pakistan. Dropped BrahMos missiles, sent jets, and what did the world witness? India losing 4.5th generation aircraft to Pakistan’s response within hours. That wasn’t a display of “regional supremacy”, it was a political stunt aimed at appeasing domestic bravado. What it truly exposed was how unprepared India was for the escalation it provoked.
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I was against the conflict from the beginning, however India came out fine, might have lost a few jets but Masood Azhar's family was terminated, his brother who was involved in air India hijacking was sent to heaven...
HalBass9 said:
Modi had six years after acquiring Rafales to choreograph this spectacle, and yet it collapsed on execution. As for the “SupaPowar” fantasy, India was supposed to be a global powerhouse by now, wasn’t it? Yet here we are, watching expectations quietly downgrade from “superpower” to maybe a developed nation by 2047, while the rest of the region moves on.

But by all means, keep typing “I have said it before” in bold, it won’t change the ground reality.

Rest is your opinion, and everyone has one.
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You are saying this to the wrong person, I have never claimed India is a super power or will become one, I also never said India is on China's level or will ever be. You have seen my replies, if you don't have the brains to figure it out then I understand, lack of ability to comprehend is not a crime...

A developed nation status in 20 years whilst challenging is achievable for India, which is what I have always maintained. Rest of the region in 20 years; Sri Lanka is gone no coming back, Bangladesh most likely will end up at what Pakistan is today or worse, while Pakistan would have hit their 1st 50 in no of IMF bailouts, that is if the country still exists at the time...


Bold...
 
jusarrived said:
North or south, Trumps demands are unreasonable there is no way any party would have give into these demands be it Congress or BJP. This will hurt our exports a little, at worse 0.5% of GDP growth which offcourse is not ideal for a developing economy but what US wants is disastrous for us in long run. We will just have to wait it out , if Trump continues with this
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I'm personally a little contrarian on this. I would say it's good for India to get a little bullied by Trump and the States. We obviously can't give the US everything they want in terms of access but the way we've been dragging our feet on any and all concessions is a bit much.

We've honestly gotten used to being a bit pampered by the US Establishment especially during the Biden administration given our position as a strategic partner and long term ally against China. Trump is obviously a lot less strategic and a lot more transactional and we've been slow to adapt.

It'll be painful but we'll have to give if we want to get. It's unfair (after all we're a lot poorer) but the world is unfair.
- Some of what's being demanded - freer agriculture imports, access to retail markets etc. will be painful and may cause disruption but impact can be mitigated through cash transfers and indirect subsidies.
- Russian oil is easier. Yes it's cheaper right now to buy from Russia but oil prices are dropping anyway and OPEC just announced a production increase. Plus Trump's likely to forget about this soon

In the short term, it's better to recognise we don't have too many cards to play, appease Trump's ego and wait it out. The question is not of just the current exports to the States. There is a unique opportunity over the next few years of chaos to boost India's manufacturing with stuff voluntarily or involuntarily moving out of the world's factory - China. We can't miss the bus.
 
Romali_rotti said:
A few things here:

- I would agree China overall would not want to have a disruptive and chaotic sub continent, I should have made that clear earlier. For the simple reason being India is China's largest trade partner in South West Asia and also its 12th largest Trade partner in the world. India China trade relationship is worth an estimated 140 Billion/year with a trade imbalance of around 110 billion in favor of the Chinese.

However just because China doesn't want total mayhem and chaos in the Indian sub continent like what US may want, doesn't mean China wants the sub continent to be peaceful and rosey, they want India to always be hamstrung and they use Pakistan to make this happen.

- India already has military and economic dominance over Pakistan, Pakistan has nothing, Pakistan is broke with no money, whatever economy you have goes to your military rather than its citizens.




This shows delusion at the highest of levels, a Pakistani trait I have seen quite frequently. You really think, China has no concerns or issues with CIA having deep ties in the ISI which no doubt would cause issues for the Chinese supply routes from Gwadhar, especially considering China is America's biggest threat. This is quite Shahid Afridi level intellect you showed here lad, no offence, lol...

Pakistan does play a role in Indian politics but not to the boogey man extend of what your military does with their false Kashmir propaganda to stay in power and suck the economy dry...

Regarding the military confrontations between India/Pak, lets just say both Indians/Pakistanis will always say their country won at the end of the day....During the one and only full scale war, Pakistan was split into 2, One section of Ex Pakistan is now where my bro @sweep_shot has been freely nangin dancing...



I have always maintained that Pakistan cannot be isolated, no matter how much the Indian leadership try, Indian leaders also know this. Qadir Khan was just the entree in nuclear proliferation, if Pakistan is isolated and recognized as a failed state, then the consequences for the world could be devastating with nuclear proliferation occurring left right and center on a large global scale. For the plain fact that Pakistan has a nuclear weapon is enough for them to escape the failed state/isolated status, will never get isolated.

Indian leaders shouting bravado in public are all for show, real objective is to convince the voting public that they are trying to screw Pakistan in return for some nationalism nothing more (Helps during elections).




Pakistan is a hopeless cause, I have said this numerous times here for decades, and I have been proven right. India's objective is different, Indians in 'reality' forget the false politician bravado, are aiming to become a developed nation, possibly 20 years away but they are on the right track. Pakistani leadership in the meantime is selling off their country and looking to take orders from US/China depending on the political climate. Peace between India and Pakistan is not possible, 2 countries with totally different visions and challenges along with external stake holders also being involved, which is why it is best to let things be.



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Pakistanis don’t understand self respecand freedom Their army crushes them under their boots time and again and they endure. So it doesn’t make a difference to them if they ben the knee to trump. They think this is some great diplomacy.

Indians don’t function like that. We take pride in our independence.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Pakistanis don’t understand self respecand freedom Their army crushes them under their boots time and again and they endure. So it doesn’t make a difference to them if they ben the knee to trump. They think this is some great diplomacy.

Indians don’t function like that. We take pride in our independence.
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To be honest, it is sad Pakistan is in such a pathetic state...

How a country can be so diabolical always amazes me, their citizens basically have zero future, they will keep getting high on the Kashmir narrative spun by their military, so pathetic and sad a whole nation gone right down the gutter....
 
cricketjoshila said:
Pakistanis don’t understand self respecand freedom Their army crushes them under their boots time and again and they endure. So it doesn’t make a difference to them if they ben the knee to trump. They think this is some great diplomacy.

Indians don’t function like that. We take pride in our independence.
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This thread is about Trump and India. Do you agree Trumps comments are humiliating towards India? Your beloved hero PM was hugging and kissing Dooland like the clown he is and now Trump has broken up with Modi. Hopefully Modi isnt too heartbroken? Maybe he is, hence you've returned ? lol
 
Btw, any new tariff from Trump yet? 24 hours is over na?

Time is running out and likes of @DeadlyVenom are desperate for 100% tariff applied on India.

:rabada2
 
KEEP YOUR OBSESSION WITH PAKISTAN AWAY FROM THIS THREAD

THREAD IS ABOUT TRUMP TARIFF AND INDIA... OKAY???

STOP DERAILING THE THREAD NOW
 
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This thread is about Trump and India. Do you agree Trumps comments are humiliating towards India? Your beloved hero PM was hugging and kissing Dooland like the clown he is and now Trump has broken up with Modi. Hopefully Modi isnt too heartbroken? Maybe he is, hence you've returned ? lol
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what’s humiliating for trump is that he is throwing his toys out of the pram and indi keeps buying russian oil
 
KingKhanWC said:
This thread is about Trump and India. Do you agree Trumps comments are humiliating towards India? Your beloved hero PM was hugging and kissing Dooland like the clown he is and now Trump has broken up with Modi. Hopefully Modi isnt too heartbroken? Maybe he is, hence you've returned ? lol
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No trumps comments are a sign he is not getting his way with India..it's his frustration and giant middle finger shown to him. If modi signed a treaty and there was less tarrifs..you will be the first here shouting modi surrendered....we all know your sort of people.
 
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what’s humiliating for trump is that he is throwing his toys out of the pram and indi keeps buying russian oil
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Trump knows India will continue buying Russian oil, much smaller nations ignored him. The point I was making is Modi was over doing his love for Trump, the way he was acting isnt something a leader should towards another. Remember the big rally in the stadium? Trump was playing him like a flute. Modi needs to show more strength , stand up to world leaders not bow down, this may save him future humiliation.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Well, what I keep chanting is what is happening, Pakistan is broke, living on IMF bailouts sitting at 24 times now and more bailouts likely to follow in the future. Are these IMF bailouts helping the Pakistani citizens? Nope, it is for your military heroes to fund their and their families' lifestyles in west, with their homes, education, gambling and what not. Pakistan, I say again; is lost a cause, no coming back...


I was against the conflict from the beginning, however India came out fine, might have lost a few jets but Masood Azhar's family was terminated, his brother who was involved in air India hijacking was sent to heaven...

You are saying this to the wrong person, I have never claimed India is a super power or will become one, I also never said India is on China's level or will ever be. You have seen my replies, if you don't have the brains to figure it out then I understand, lack of ability to comprehend is not a crime...

A developed nation status in 20 years whilst challenging is achievable for India, which is what I have always maintained. Rest of the region in 20 years; Sri Lanka is gone no coming back, Bangladesh most likely will end up at what Pakistan is today or worse, while Pakistan would have hit their 1st 50 in no of IMF bailouts, that is if the country still exists at the time...


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Sorry India ain't becoming anything close to developer nation in 50 -100 years if we exist with climate change and water crisis...

Pollution population lack of civic sense...indiscipline lack of education and low job prospects...these are not easy to solve..what is achievable is growth and hopefully less corruption that will result in equitable wealth distribution ...we will see.
 
straighttalk said:
Sorry India ain't becoming anything close to developer nation in 50 -100 years if we exist with climate change and water crisis...

Pollution population lack of civic sense...indiscipline lack of education and low job prospects...these are not easy to solve..what is achievable is growth and hopefully less corruption that will result in equitable wealth distribution ...we will see.
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I dont disagree with your post, some valid points...
 
One thing is certain China has won, with all these tariffs Trump made sure Chinese supply will be cheaper.
 
Trump threatens 250% on Indian pharmaceutical products to US if India keeps buying Russian oil
 
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