Trust in God or lack of it

[Rana]

Reading some highly hysterical posts here. Not just here but on social media, TV and other sources of information. Everyone is looking towards science to save us but so far Science has tried hard but has not find the solution. It will at some point. Why do we see a clear lack in faith however? Has faith always been this hollow in people? Fear for your loved ones yes, but fearing the decree of God, is that a faithful thing to do?

 

[Halaribo]

What specifically do you consider hysterical or a lack of faith? As long as people pray their 5 daily prayers, being considerate towards the sick and elderly, what else does Allah want of them?

In Indonesia, Tablighi Jamaat just held an event with 9000 people all congregated in one area, refusing to adhere to the government and scholarly advice, because they state that they fear God above anything else.

To me, that is the mark of hysterical people. People so heightened in their own arrogance, that they are willing to condemn others to illness.

 

[Manager101]

Faith in "Post-industrial Age Humans" have always been hollow. Materialism is all or nothing in mainstream unfortunately.

 

[troodon]

Have faith in science. It will provide some solution pretty soon.

God has never done anything and will never do anything to help humanity.

 

[troodon]

Also, since God is the creator as per religious people, it is God that created Corona virus.

It is up to Science to provide the vaccine for this God’s misdeed.

 

[IAJ]

Have faith in science. It will provide some solution pretty soon.

God has never done anything and will never do anything to help humanity.

Humans are nothing, Powerless arrogant people.

God is the greatest. He will in sha Allah give us shifaa!

I feel pity for you.

 

[IAJ]

Also, since God is the creator as per religious people, it is God that created Corona virus.

It is up to Science to provide the vaccine for this God’s misdeed.

So for creation of the virus you refer to religion but to solution you refer to human brains ( created by God those as well) funny guy.

 

[Rana]

Also, since God is the creator as per religious people, it is God that created Corona virus.

It is up to Science to provide the vaccine for this God’s misdeed.

The lockdown is the wrath of Allah set upon us weak people who watched a tyrant lock down an entire nation and we did nothing about it.

This is my personal view

 

[sweep_shot]

We will overcome Coronavirus (God willing). Stay patient.

I personally am not scared of the virus.

 

[kk1992]

Reading some highly hysterical posts here. Not just here but on social media, TV and other sources of information. Everyone is looking towards science to save us but so far Science has tried hard but has not find the solution. It will at some point. Why do we see a clear lack in faith however? Has faith always been this hollow in people? Fear for your loved ones yes, but fearing the decree of God, is that a faithful thing to do?

Have faith in science. It will provide some solution pretty soon.

God has never done anything and will never do anything to help humanity.

A perfect examples of two opposite views who have failed to understand the concept of faith.

 

[Rana]

A perfect examples of two opposite views who have failed to understand the concept of faith.

Hanji Hazrat Sab what is the true concept of faith??

 

[sweep_shot]

I am not scared of the virus but I expect it to kill a lot of people. There has been around 9000 deaths so far and we don't know what the final death count will be.

Use common sense. Rely on God. Pray to God. Stay safe.

 

[troodon]

We will overcome Coronavirus (God willing). Stay patient.

I personally am not scared of the virus.

Scientists willing.

 

[troodon]

So for creation of the virus you refer to religion but to solution you refer to human brains ( created by God those as well) funny guy.

I said as per religious nuts, God created Corona.

Now Science has to destroy this wonderful creation of God

 

[Rana]

I said as per religious nuts, God created Corona.

Now Science has to destroy this wonderful creation of God

God created sensation as well. You don’t blame him for that do you?

 

[Robert]

Reading some highly hysterical posts here. Not just here but on social media, TV and other sources of information. Everyone is looking towards science to save us but so far Science has tried hard but has not find the solution. It will at some point. Why do we see a clear lack in faith however? Has faith always been this hollow in people? Fear for your loved ones yes, but fearing the decree of God, is that a faithful thing to do?

I stopped believing in a creator when I was a teenager. Saw no evidence then, and none now.

The faith I was brought up in now appears to me to be a fusion of Judaism, paganism and Platonism.

I entertain the idea of God as the aggregate of all quantum information in the universe. Part of that aggregate is made manifest in me, seeking to understand the universe and my place in it.

We have had plagues before and they all passed.

 

[troodon]

I am not scared of the virus but I expect it to kill a lot of people. There has been around 9000 deaths so far and we don't know what the final death count will be.

Use common sense. Rely on God. Pray to God. Stay safe.

What has god done to save those 9000 people?

 

[troodon]

God created sensation as well. You don’t blame him for that do you?

It’s not my claim. As per me, there is no sky god. It’s like super man or Batman that exist only in the minds of believers.

 

[sweep_shot]

What has god done to save those 9000 people?

Some people will die. That's the nature of any disease.

Your hatred for God is really laughable. Be classy.

 

[Rana]

What has god done to save those 9000 people?

Science killed all those people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki

 

[Rana]

It’s not my claim. As per me, there is no sky god. It’s like super man or Batman that exist only in the minds of believers.

Ok, how about you stop making fun of what people believe in

 

[pakistanisgreat]

have faith on Allah. Do need to have patience and then work on to find remedy.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Reading some highly hysterical posts here. Not just here but on social media, TV and other sources of information. Everyone is looking towards science to save us but so far Science has tried hard but has not find the solution. It will at some point. Why do we see a clear lack in faith however? Has faith always been this hollow in people? Fear for your loved ones yes, but fearing the decree of God, is that a faithful thing to do?

Isn't seeking MEDICAL HELP (together with praying for divine help) part of Islamic faith?
Not sure what exactly are you trying to say here?

I am seeing some extremely stupid sermons by some of the most idiotic self proclaimed Mullahs that are talking all about different kinds of rubbish to astray the lost herd of sheep on whatsapp groups.

Just like some of the ignorant Hindus are claiming cow urine to be the cure of corona, we have a fair share of our own idiots who are taking a about "kabootar ka pitta" and limu ka ras and chewing raw onion" to be the cure of Corona. Pirs have erected boards "Mardana kamzori k saath corona virus ka sharitya ilaaj".

Islamic faith CLEARLY indicates to seek medical help that could support the healing process and it's beneficial to one's well being.

How many times have this been repeated but folks just don't want to understand, don't they?

The guy asks the prophet (saw), "I have a lot of faith in God, can I leave my camel here out in the open and have faith in God that my camel will still be here upon my return?
The prophet (saw) replied, "No, first put the camel on a leash, securely tie it, AND THEN have faith in God that it will still be here upon your return.

There are numerous hadeeth where we are asked to seek knowledge that benefits humanity.

So the gist of the matter is, seek knowledge (whether scientific and/or religious) that benefits, and have faith in God - AND Practice patience.

If I have to agree with you then, yes, its the "Practice patience" part that some of us missing. However, there is nothing wrong in seeking medical help and pursuing medical knowledge and exploring scientific knowledge that benefits. It's encouraged by Islamic faith.

Tariq Jameel gave a pretty good Bayan about this a couple of days ago.

I think, together with Corona virus, ignorance is what we need to worry about equally.

 

[Rana]

Isn't seeking MEDICAL HELP (together with praying for divine help) part of Islamic faith?
Not sure what exactly are you trying to say here?

I am seeing some extremely stupid sermons by some of the most idiotic self proclaimed Mullahs that are talking all about different kinds of rubbish to astray the lost herd of sheep on whatsapp groups.

Just like some of the ignorant Hindus are claiming cow urine to be the cure of corona, we have a fair share of our own idiots who are taking a about "kabootar ka pitta" and limu ka ras and chewing raw onion" to be the cure of Corona. Pirs have erected boards "Mardana kamzori k saath corona virus ka sharitya ilaaj".

Islamic faith CLEARLY indicates to seek medical help that could support the healing process and it's beneficial to one's well being.

How many times have this been repeated but folks just don't want to understand, don't they?

The guy asks the prophet (saw), "I have a lot of faith in God, can I leave my camel here out in the open and have faith in God that my camel will still be here upon my return?
The prophet (saw) replied, "No, first put the camel on a leash, securely tie it, AND THEN have faith in God that it will still be here upon your return.

There are numerous hadeeth where we are asked to seek knowledge that benefits humanity.

So the gist of the matter is, seek knowledge (whether scientific and/or religious) that benefits, and have faith in God - AND Practice patience.

If I have to agree with you then, yes, its the "Practice patience" part that some of us missing. However, there is nothing wrong in seeking medical help and pursuing medical knowledge and exploring scientific knowledge that benefits. It's encouraged by Islamic faith.

Tariq Jameel gave a pretty good Bayan about this a couple of days ago.

I think, together with Corona virus, ignorance is what we need to worry about equally.

Who is saying seeking Medical help is not faithful? Are you quoting me and saying that I am implying this??

By all means seek medical help but why behave in a way that only this medication is the sole reason for your survival and nothing else matters at all?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

What specifically do you consider hysterical or a lack of faith? As long as people pray their 5 daily prayers, being considerate towards the sick and elderly, what else does Allah want of them?

In Indonesia, Tablighi Jamaat just held an event with 9000 people all congregated in one area, refusing to adhere to the government and scholarly advice, because they state that they fear God above anything else.

To me, that is the mark of hysterical people. People so heightened in their own arrogance, that they are willing to condemn others to illness.

Exactly.
This sort of gathering is not allowed even by Islamic guidelines.

First, as a Muslim, you are bound to live by the law of the land (BEFORE your Islamic faith comes into play). If you find that the govt and law of the land is a hurdle between your practice of faith, then leave the land and move somewhere else.

So Islam clearly says to obey the govt and rules of law where you live.

If these people are breaking the law of the land by this gathering when govt has banned it, then by Islamic doctrine, they are wrong.


Second, from the ahaadeeth, we already know that in such situations, we are supposed to stay where we are. Moving around from place to place and getting together into such numbers is not allowed by Islamic recommendations.

So they are wrong on both counts.


But again ignorance and arrogance. The combination can't be more lethal.

 

[Musakhel]

What has god done to save those 9000 people?

God created them , and now he caused them to die, He does as he wills.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Who is saying seeking Medical help is not faithful? Are you quoting me and saying that I am implying this??

By all means seek medical help but why behave in a way that only this medication is the sole reason for your survival and nothing else matters at all?

But then how do you know that the person seeking medical help is not praying for divine help as well?
Do you know what goes in someone's heart when he is desperately seeking a medical cure? No, you don't.

And as I said, I do agree with you when it comes to practice patience. Many of us seem to be lacking this aspect.
There is a fear and hysteria, and many will naturally panic. That's human nature and human behavior.

 

[Rana]

But then how do you know that the person seeking medical help is not praying for divine help as well?
Do you know what goes in someone's heart when he is desperately seeking a medical cure? No, you don't.

And as I said, I do agree with you when it comes to practice patience. Many of us seem to be lacking this aspect.
There is a fear and hysteria, and many will naturally panic. That's human nature and human behavior.

Why are you accusing me of things, thoughts that I never intended in the first place?

When did I say that I am speaking against those spiritual people who are seeking medical help??

Stop trying to act like a voice of reason when you clearly have not even read the entire op

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Why are you accusing me of things, thoughts that I never intended in the first place?

When did I say that I am speaking against those spiritual people who are seeking medical help??

Stop trying to act like a voice of reason when you clearly have not even read the entire op

OK, lets take a step back and you walk me through it.

This is what said,

"Why do we see a clear lack in faith however? Has faith always been this hollow in people? Fear for your loved ones yes, but fearing the decree of God, is that a faithful thing to do?"

Please explain it to me as how do you want to see people behave differently from what you are seeing?

 

[Rana]

OK, lets take a step back and you walk me through it.

This is what said,

"Why do we see a clear lack in faith however? Has faith always been this hollow in people? Fear for your loved ones yes, but fearing the decree of God, is that a faithful thing to do?"

Please explain it to me as how do you want to see people behave differently from what you are seeing?

Are you ok pal?

CLEAR LACK OF FAITH

Where have I mentioned spiritual people seeking medical attention. I’ve asked a question, I didn’t demand a change. But panicking and hysteria, fear of death and spreading that fear is not on for me

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Are you ok pal?

CLEAR LACK OF FAITH

Where have I mentioned spiritual people seeking medical attention. I’ve asked a question, I didn’t demand a change. But panicking and hysteria, fear of death and spreading that fear is not on for me

As I said, this is a general human behavior to react this way. Yes, this may not be the way for you and for many others, unfortunately, not every human thinks or acts the same in one uniform situation.
This current situation may not be a "fear on" for you, that's good. Perhaps you have a different threshold? May be (God forbids) you may also go into fear and panic mode at a certain level? No one knows.

Survival is a very natural human instinct. So many of us naturally strive to survive in a given situation. Some people stay calm, others may panic. We are all different.

May be I was wrong but the title of your OP and the bold part in the previous post gave me a hint as if you were putting a question mark on one's faith in God if he or she was in panic mode and was yearning for medical help, instead of, just having faith in God and perhaps don't do much about the situation at hand.

 

[Nadeemp]

Have faith in science. It will provide some solution pretty soon.

God has never done anything and will never do anything to help humanity.

right on

 

[Nadeemp]

Humans are nothing, Powerless arrogant people.

God is the greatest. He will in sha Allah give us shifaa!

I feel pity for you.

More than likely a secular scientist will find a cure.

 

[Nadeemp]

I am not scared of the virus but I expect it to kill a lot of people. There has been around 9000 deaths so far and we don't know what the final death count will be.

Use common sense. Rely on God. Pray to God. Stay safe.

Better advice is wash hands, keep your distance.

 

[Rana]

So god is a sadist.

Are you asking a question or passing a statement?

God gives life, creates the air you breathe to stay alive. God is the finest of Artists, he is Al Musawer without a doubt.

So you think that the dying of some unfortunate people is sadistic on God’s part?

 

[Rana]

God created this virus to kill people as he wishes.

Cool story from some posters here.

God doesn’t exist according to you? So why are you blaming God for this virus? Did God create the atomic bomb or did man create it by manipulating the laws of the atom created by God to keep this world in balance?

 

[troodon]

God doesn’t exist according to you? So why are you blaming God for this virus? Did God create the atomic bomb or did man create it by manipulating the laws of the atom created by God to keep this world in balance?

Yes. I am responding about some posters who were talking about faith and God.

You might as well have faith in Spider-Man or Santa or Godzilla.

 

[Nadeemp]

yes. I am responding about some posters who were talking about faith and god.

You might as well have faith in spider-man or santa or godzilla.

wait right there> santa is real>

 

[yasir]

This pandemic has show one thing, when it really matters people go back to tried and tested Science (regardless of Faith or any other background)...People all over the world are looking at Enterprise of Science to provide answer...

God has been Quarantine

Faith has been downgraded, most effective spiritual aka Faith method of sending signals to God, mass prayers of all kinds have been disbanded without force by Faithful themselves, ironically this method has been recommended by secular and Godless Science... 7B population is inline to listen to Godless Science in difficult time over Faith and Spirituality...

This also tells you where the power lies, pier center has changed. Businessman, politicians, Clergymen will to take losses and let Science lead the way. Because they all know, they don’t have answers, their money and God is not going to save them, they have to hold back.

I can see going forward more investment will be done in building healthcare eco system, rather than building bombs and armies based on triblism. In that fight, those trillions spent on cat fight is worthless. New industries are gonna spawn to cater that need...

On a side note: China and their ****ing wild life farming industry have to end. They have not learned anything from last 20 years. This is gonna hurt them more than one ways.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

This pandemic has show one thing, when it really matters people go back to tried and tested Science (regardless of Faith or any other background)...People all over the world are looking at Enterprise of Science to provide answer...

God has been Quarantine ����

Faith has been downgraded, most effective spiritual aka Faith method of sending signals to God, mass prayers of all kinds have been disbanded without force by Faithful themselves, ironically this method has been recommended by secular and Godless Science... 7B population is inline to listen to Godless Science in difficult time over Faith and Spirituality...

This also tells you where the power lies, pier center has changed. Businessman, politicians, Clergymen will to take losses and let Science lead the way. Because they all know, they don’t have answers, their money and God is not going to save them, they have to hold back.

I can see going forward more investment will be done in building healthcare eco system, rather than building bombs and armies based on triblism. In that fight, those trillions spent on cat fight is worthless. New industries are gonna spawn to cater that need...

On a side note: China and their ****ing wild life farming industry have to end. They have not learned anything from last 20 years. This is gonna hurt them more than one ways.

So one godless community (the Chinese) started the mess and the other godless community (the scientists) are going to clean up the mess.
Currently Israeli scientists are at the front in creating the vaccine - what if a religious practicing Jewish scientist finds the cure because his God and his religion guidelines actually allow and encourages him to pursue scientific knowledge that benefits humanity? Wouldn’t that be interesting ?

 

[jaf348]

Science will overcome the coronavirus. No doubt some of these paindu holier than thou mullahs and characters that disregard science when it suits them will be waiting in line once the vaccine comes out.

 

[Manager101]

One has to keep himself healthy and fit as much as his capacity allows but that doesn't mean death is some kind of anomaly, every single atom, living being has to die, it is something everyone has faced and will face, then why fear of something which is the most common factor in the universe.

If we are part of this universe then life & death are both part of us.

This is what my religon and Quran has taught me. Some will disagree but thats there choice.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

One has to keep himself healthy and fit as much as his capacity allows but that doesn't mean death is some kind of anomaly, every single atom, living being has to die, it is something everyone has faced and will face, then why fear of something which is the most common factor in the universe.

If we are part of this universe then life & death are both part of us.

This is what my religon and Quran has taught me. Some will disagree but thats there choice.

The problem is, we have some dumb comedians here who seem to believe that one cannot be a believer in God and take advantage of medical science. Not knowing that the basic foundation of many facets of modern day medical science, were laid by scientists who were fully devoted religious men of faith.

There are still quite a few world class scientists who are believers in God. And these highly trained academicians are much highly qualified then a few daft over here.

 

[yasir]

So one godless community (the Chinese) started the mess and the other godless community (the scientists) are going to clean up the mess.
Currently Israeli scientists are at the front in creating the vaccine - what if a religious practicing Jewish scientist finds the cure because his God and his religion guidelines actually allow and encourages him to pursue scientific knowledge that benefits humanity? Wouldn’t that be interesting ?

Key point is God is irrelevant. Weather it is Jew or Christian or Hindu or Atheist Scientist or combination of them, discovers the vaccine, they would be doing it by standing on the shoulders of Enterprise of Science built over centuries. That is a victory for Science...

On the other hand, if they discover a method based on God technology, Spiritual healing or prayers or reading holly scriptures etc or whatever else is there outside the realm of Science etc, then God is back on the map.

Otherwise God is just corner to ceremonial role, with no real power much like Queen in England

God Tech has to contribute to be relevant. Taliban, RSS, KKK, Tabligee etc are not good enough advertisement for God, he has been owned by Science of late

 

[Test lover]

You know what is more dangerous than Corona in India& Pakistan ? The "educated/privileged" who are not following instructions, still going to parties and thinking "dekha jaye ga".

 

[Robert]

So god is a sadist.

Or in other words - why do bad things happen to good people?

Judaism solved this question by making Satan - who in the Book of Job came across as a spirit that God had a bet with - into a supervillain. By the Gospels he is tempting Jesus in the Wilderness, and by Revelations he goes full-on Thanos.

So bad things are the Devil’s fault not God’s. Never mind that God created the Devil in the knowledge that he would try to lead people away from God. It’s like a sort of theological sting operation.

 

[miandadrules]

Who is saying seeking Medical help is not faithful? Are you quoting me and saying that I am implying this??

By all means seek medical help but why behave in a way that only this medication is the sole reason for your survival and nothing else matters at all?

You should do a double blind study.

One group on a ventilator and the other on prayers.

 

[Rana]

You should do a double blind study.

One group on a ventilator and the other on prayers.

How did the people who were not on a ventilator recover from COVID-19?

 

[miandadrules]

God created them , and now he caused them to die, He does as he wills.

Can you appreciate that after reading this someone could conclude that your religion has totally destroyed your empathy?

 

[miandadrules]

How did the people who were not on a ventilator recover from COVID-19?

That’s not how a study works.

Unless your saying that those on the ventilators were the only one who didn’t have faith.

 

[Rana]

That’s not how a study works.

Unless your saying that those on the ventilators were the only one who didn’t have faith.

Bro what are you here to prove? I’m not understanding your argument at all. I’m not sure why you think the OP is a science v God debate. It’s just an assessment about how a lack of faith seems to be highly apparent

 

[miandadrules]

The problem is, we have some dumb comedians here who seem to believe that one cannot be a believer in God and take advantage of medical science. Not knowing that the basic foundation of many facets of modern day medical science, were laid by scientists who were fully devoted religious men of faith.

There are still quite a few world class scientists who are believers in God. And these highly trained academicians are much highly qualified then a few daft over here.

Mutazilites were devoted religious men of faith?

 

[miandadrules]

Bro what are you here to prove? I’m not understanding your argument at all. I’m not sure why you think the OP is a science v God debate. It’s just an assessment about how a lack of faith seems to be highly apparent

And a study will show why.

 

[miandadrules]

They are seeing the reality as we speak. The past few weeks has proven how weak man is in comparison to the law of nature. Nothing can beat the law of nature

Seeing the reality up close as I’m on the front line.

If any supernatural entities would like to put a shift they’re more than welcome.

 

[Rana]

Seeing the reality up close as I’m on the front line.

If any supernatural entities would like to put a shift they’re more than welcome.

This is your problem. You have to deal with a calamity and you have lost faith in God? Sums it up doesn’t it.

 

[miandadrules]

This is your problem. You have to deal with a calamity and you have lost faith in God? Sums it up doesn’t it.

I’m not in danger. This virus won’t affect me.

I see the death of millions as a problem. Our problem.

Unfortunately, your faith seems to have destroyed your empathy.

“My problem”?

Yes that statement you made does sum it up. Perfectly.

 

[Rana]

I’m not in danger. This virus won’t affect me.

I see the death of millions as a problem. Our problem.

Unfortunately, your faith seems to have destroyed your empathy.

“My problem”?

Yes that statement you made does sum it up. Perfectly.

Atheists in complete breakdown here.

How has my faith dented my empathy? I am praying for this difficult time to pass and I am praying that this virus does not kill people. So where exactly is the lack of empathy?

 

[Robert]

Who is saying seeking Medical help is not faithful? Are you quoting me and saying that I am implying this??

By all means seek medical help but why behave in a way that only this medication is the sole reason for your survival and nothing else matters at all?

Because there is evidence that the medication is the sole reason for your survival, and no evidence for any other explanation.

 

[rockyboy2018]

I was born into a religious muslim family however I felt like my mind was structured in a different way. I was very adamant in accepting the existence of God so I used to talk with God alone - can you show me your existence? Could you talk to me? If you showed me a proof of your existence, then I will start believing in your existence and will consider Islam as a true religion and you worthy as a divine force of being a worshipper.

I asked him to provide me an opportunity of visiting New York City and as a teenager I was fascinated by the city and wanted to visit it as a person. I kept this wish between God and myself. Keeping in mind that it was the time I did not have money to buy day to day stuff left alone traveling outside my home town city in Pakistan.

Long story short , I applied for student visas for the USA three times over a course of 15 years - all these three American universities were located in Dallas, Los Angeles and Oregon. I got refused for one reason or the other.

Then I came back to study in Germany 2 years ago and our university had an exchange program with NYIT in New York City. Considering the past history of my student refusals for the USA, and my family immigration was already filed to immigrate to the USA and In hindsight, I was not sure if I could get a student visa this time around. However, since I was very fascinated by the City, I said it was my childhood dream, so why not have a crack at it even though my brothers were against it as they said that I would be wasting visa fees for nothing.

It was a three week exchange program to be done on F-1 visa. Before a couple of days of visa interview being held at Frankfurt US consulate, I literally heard the voice on a subconcious level" your visa has been approved." It was barely enough for my mind to understand the message , you feel like "God spoke in your language, in my case, Urdu" but it could well be in an empty vaccum. The main point is, I understood the message and I was so happy and confident that my visa would be approved so I called my brother and told him that I would get my visa this time around". No reaction from my brother apart from saying that "God helps".

And what happened, I got a 5 year valid visa for a 3 week exchange program that is also on a Pakistani passport with Muhammad and Khan written on it. Common names that pop up on the list of suspicious people. Finally, after waiting for almost 2 decades, I fufilled my childhood dream.

Now my belief has been confirmed that (you do not have to agree with me) as a kid I also used to question the existence of God but the above incident has changed my perspective on the existence of God. He can show you his slight glimpse if you really truely want it. God exists atleast for me.

 

[Musakhel]

Can you appreciate that after reading this someone could conclude that your religion has totally destroyed your empathy?

People are born and die everyday, does that Make anyone a 'sadist' for Acknowledging this reality?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Well, looks like the Godless Chinese have now got it all under control without the help of any medicine that cures coronavirus or any vaccine that prevents it.
No new reported cases in Wuhan.

 

[Rana]

Well, looks like the Godless Chinese have now got it all under control without the help of any medicine that cures coronavirus or any vaccine that prevents it.
No new reported cases in Wuhan.

And how do you know that it isnt the billions of people around the world praying for china and Italy? Think before you write colorblind genius.

The spiritual do not simply pray for their own safety. There are some sincere people who pray for each and every soul on earth.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Most replies in this thread (or any other PP religious thread ever) ask the same cliché questions which were probably asked a trillion times since the dawn of times.

Faith is simple. It is literal belief in the unseen, in Allah, his prophets, his angels, his plan, his Word. Literal. There is no way to prove or deny one's faith in Allah. If it were that simple, then it would not be called faith.

Our tests (our lives, happiness, sorrows, miseries, glories or the Corona-virus) would be meaningless if we didn't have option to have faith or not- and in the end the reward (Jannah/paradise or Fire/Hell) would have no significance. We would be just a bunch of mammals or a virus to this planet!

Why even bother answering disbelievers? https://quran.com/109

Y'all chill and let chill!

I feel like I got it figured out

 

[Local.Dada]

There is a famous saying that transcends across most religions and languages. Not sure if there is a version of that in Islam or in Pakistani lingo. I will give you the English version of it for the benefit of everyone

“God helps those who help themselves”

So if you can’t think with rationality, practicality and common sense then rightfully god will not care for you even if you pray 24/7.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

And how do you know that it isnt the billions of people around the world praying for china and Italy? Think before you write colorblind genius.

The spiritual do not simply pray for their own safety. There are some sincere people who pray for each and every soul on earth.

There may be people who have prayed for China and Italy and other places, and God did listen to them; what I am saying is, medical science where a cure of coronavirus was thought to be THE ONLY way to cure this disease, was never found, and it did not really play any role to curb the problem. So scientific cure was not actually needed, and the issue seems to have been improved.
Those who tarnish God and faith, and thought that ONLY a scientific cure will take care of it, now look like a laughing stock.

Now (and more importantly), does that mean, religious praying is the only way to cure diseases? As you may agree, the answer is, "no absolutely not". We must do our part and then have faith in divine help.

And our part includes using our intelligence and put an action behind our prayers.

Exploration of scientific knowledge that benefits humanity must be pursued. It's recommended by our faith, yet some clowns don't want to understand it.

But then again, if they believe they came from a monkey, then good for them.

 

[pillionrider]

I wonder how the faithful would reconcile to running wildly towards a cure if it ever comes.

The scientist was doing God's work?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I wonder how the faithful would reconcile to running wildly towards a cure if it ever comes.

The scientist was doing God's work?

If you don’t pay them well, perhaps many scientists won’t do it anymore.

 

[Rana]

I wonder how the faithful would reconcile to running wildly towards a cure if it ever comes.

The scientist was doing God's work?

Its the non faithful who you should worry about first in this case

 

[Nadeemp]

The problem is, we have some dumb comedians here who seem to believe that one cannot be a believer in God and take advantage of medical science. Not knowing that the basic foundation of many facets of modern day medical science, were laid by scientists who were fully devoted religious men of faith.

There are still quite a few world class scientists who are believers in God. And these highly trained academicians are much highly qualified then a few daft over here.

I dont think anyone said a religious person cant be a scientist. However overwhelmingly Noble prize winners in science have been secular people. When secular people make up a small percentage of the world population

 

[Nadeemp]

Because there is evidence that the medication is the sole reason for your survival, and no evidence for any other explanation.

Right on

 

[AdamM97]

Mutazilites were devoted religious men of faith?

Yes, Wasil ibn Ata(the founder of Mu'tazilah movement) was a Muslim theologian. Ibn Rushd was religious as well although he disagreed with the Sunnis and the Ashari scholars like Al-Ghazali.

Mutazilites believed that science and religion can't contradict each other because both lead to the same truths.

 

[Rana]

Because there is evidence that the medication is the sole reason for your survival, and no evidence for any other explanation.

Plenty of claims were based on pure evidence in history. Plenty of disasters, plenty of embarrassment.

Nothing is gaurenteed besides death.

 

[Nadeemp]

Plenty of claims were based on pure evidence in history. Plenty of disasters, plenty of embarrassment.

Nothing is gaurenteed besides death.

Can you please elaborate on that. Thanks

 

[AdamM97]

There is a famous saying that transcends across most religions and languages. Not sure if there is a version of that in Islam or in Pakistani lingo. I will give you the English version of it for the benefit of everyone

“God helps those who help themselves”

So if you can’t think with rationality, practicality and common sense then rightfully god will not care for you even if you pray 24/7.

That is a quote by the 19th century Pan-Islamist Jamal Al din Al-Afghani.

 

[Nadeemp]

Many cultures can claim that or something very similar quote. I think romans or greeks ALSO have this quote

 

[Rana]

Can you please elaborate on that. Thanks

Do you have proof of any major statement, claim in history that has challenged the majesty of the creator and has got away with it?

The Titanic claimed to be unsinkable did it not? 20 life boats loaded out of 60 due to the confidence that it would never sink.

 

[JaDed]

Right now I feel -Imo its good to have faith but also be thankful for people that are working day and night to help during this pandemic, not the leaders but actual physicians, scientists, compassionate people that are not hoarding or cheating others.

 

[Nadeemp]

Do you have proof of any major statement, claim in history that has challenged the majesty of the creator and has got away with it?

The Titanic claimed to be unsinkable did it not? 20 life boats loaded out of 60 due to the confidence that it would never sink.

let me get this right. titanic people boasted so this god killed people on board who had nothing to do with the boasting of the claim. yeah makes sense totally

 

[Rana]

let me get this right. titanic people boasted so this god killed people on board who had nothing to do with the boasting of the claim. yeah makes sense totally

From a philosophical point of view, they were casualties of war.

The guys who made the claim also fled the ship, lived a life of shame and eventually had no choice but to sell the white star line. Just goes to show how these cowards have no real value for human life as compared to their own pocket and the almighty dollar.

The point is, nobody in their right mind dares the majesty of God on a magnanimous level. Nor should they.

 

[troodon]

Do you have proof of any major statement, claim in history that has challenged the majesty of the creator and has got away with it?

The Titanic claimed to be unsinkable did it not? 20 life boats loaded out of 60 due to the confidence that it would never sink.

Its called human error. Technology is ever evolving. Lots of companies advertise that their brand of product is the best. Its called Marketing.

Can you define the majesty of God? What is so majestic about this invisible sky man?