Tuk Tuk: How one innings has cost India and Pakistan massively in T20 World Cup's last four editions

[DHONI183]

Yesterday, my mind suddenly went back to some of the knock-out matches that both India and Pakistan have lost in the T20 World Cup matches in the last four editions of the tournament and how one poor, slow-paced, innings has completely ended up costing these teams the entire game, or least played a major part in the loss.

T20 World Cup Final between India and Sri Lanka, 2014:
Now, given how instrumental Yuvraj was in India winning a couple of ICC tournaments, in 2007 and 2011 respectively, it doesn´t feel good to be pin-pointing his innings as the reason behind India losing that Final, but the harsh reality is that his 11 off 21 completely sucked the momentum out of India´s innings. By the time that he got out, there were only 11 balls left in the innings. Even if Kohli and Dhoni had been to effect an immediate recovery through quick runs, I don´t think that they would´ve been able to get more than 145 at maximum, and that would´ve never been enough. The damage was heavily done by then and only a 20 or 25-run over could´ve made up for it. Besides, given how well India were going at one stage, the Indian team looked shell-shocked, as was apparent watching it live, by the way the innings unfolded past the 13th or 14th over or so.

T20 World Cup Semi-Final between India and the West Indies, 2016:
Rahane´s 40 off 35 balls, at the top of the order, ensured that India were never going to get past 200 on that batting paradise of a Mumbai pitch, a pitch on which England had already chased down a mammoth score of 231 in the same tournament. Kohli tried hard with a very good innings, but the West Indies stole the show with an exhibition of boundary-hitting.

T20 World Cup Semi-Final between India and England, 2022:
Rohit´s amazingly poor innings of 27 off 28, on a pretty good pitch, was the main culprit as India never got to a score which could challenge the England batting line-up. I´m not giving Kohli´s innings the main mention here because I don´t want this to become another thread about Kohli, but I shall leave it to you to decide whether that innings too played a part or not. Personally, if you were to ask me, it was not a good T20 innings, given especially the pitch. Still, though, Kohli´s unbelievable contribution to this team in the last decade in T20 World Cups can´t be overlooked, but that can be discussed on another day.

T20 World Cup Semi-Final between Pakistan and Australia, 2021:
Babar´s 39 off 34 on that absolute batting paradise proved to be a huge hindrance in Pakistan getting anywhere near 190 or above and, given the crucial role played by the toss in those UAE condition, it was always going to be difficult to defend 177.
In fact, I added a whole thread on Pakistan´s approach in that match and analysed it in a detailed manner. Below is the link to it.....
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...d-Cup-Semi-Final-against-Australia&highlight=

T20 World Cup Final between Pakistan and England, 2022:
Again, Babar´s 32 off 28 on such a huge stage was a very poor effort on his part. Again, wasted the powerplay - hit only one boundary during it - and got out before making up for the slow start. The fact that Pakistan messed up things massively in the last five overs still doesn´t justify Babar´s innings. At most, it only helps in sharing the blame, and that´s it about it.

There´s a certain pattern in all these innings, if you notice it. All of them have came whilst setting a target and, barring the one by Yuvraj, all of them wasted the powerplay overs. Besides, there´s an element of "Let´s hope for the best and leave it to the bowlers" mindset in all these innings, although the target was defended in none of these innings. These might´ve been good, useful, innings if the aim had been to play for the net run-rate, but that wasn´t clearly the case here, and neither can you draw a T20 match or waste any bonus point of the opposition.

If this list doesn´t open the eyes of the think-tank of both the teams, then I don´t know what will. If the rotten approach of keeping wickets in hand to go for the blast in the slog overs isn´t shunned, the results aren´t going to change any sooner, and both the teams will keep coming short against teams with some of the power-hitters of the game, such as England and Australia.

 

[DHONI183]

Tuk tuk: how one innings has cost India and Pakistan massively in T20 World Cups last four editions

Just tagging [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] here. I´m sure that this thread will be of great interest to him.

 

[SamNJ]

This is why I think "Big Game Runs On the Board" formula is outdated in T20Is.
In T20Is always chase. Pitches don't change significantly in 20 overs and you know at what pace you need to go when batting second. Bowlers are under less pressure when bowling first.

 

[emranabbas]

The only players that performed in the final were rizwan and babar everyone else was useless they did the right thing to see off the new ball and play out the bowlers it's our middle order that failed the bowlers were useless as usual king babar and king rizwan at the best in the world you can check the ranking players like kholi butler and Hales are not fit to tie king babars shoe laces

 

[Rana]

Just tagging [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] here. I´m sure that this thread will be of great interest to him.

The curse of Tuk Tuk

Babar only lived long enough to become the villain in the final, Rizwan was spared the embarrassment by Sam Curran. Otherwise Rizwan is equally complicit.

When you play in this style, when you take the spots of deserving openers for your own averages, then you should have no complaints when the Awaam comes after you for their witch hunt!

 

[Ab Fan]

Good thread.

 

[Rana]

There are people here who say Babar and Rizwan are blameless for the performance yesterday

My foot!!

How can you score a boundary each in the powerplay and not be blamed????

Did England have 5 fielders on the boundary in the first 6 overs????? Where they using McGrath, Akram, Donald, Ambrose as their powerplay overs bowlers????

Were Babar and Rizwan not ranked top 10 in the ICC rankings for T20 batting prior to this innings???

Where are those besharams who were saying criticising these two is akin to lacking cricket acumen???

 

[Rana]

This is why I think "Big Game Runs On the Board" formula is outdated in T20Is.
In T20Is always chase. Pitches don't change significantly in 20 overs and you know at what pace you need to go when batting second. Bowlers are under less pressure when bowling first.

Yes maybe we should pay the ICC enough to insure that we bowl first every game and the toss doesn’t exist in Pakistan’s matches

 

[NishanKonar]

In 2016 Ajinkiya Rahane became the scapegoat . BUt again it was not his fault only. Indian team was more focused on running quick 2s and 3s instead of hitting 4s and 6s. On the other hand the West Indies batters were hitting sixes for fun. They never bothered about these 2s and 3s

6 years later India is still doing the same. Look how excited Harsha Bhogle gets when Kohli runs a quick 2 or 3. But Buttler and Hales did not bother about running fast. They were dealing in 4s and 6s.

T20 is power game. U need more guys like SKY and Hardik - guys who can bit 4s and 6s. Not super athletes like Kohli who can run fast between wickets !

 

[NishanKonar]

Another key factor is batting depth. The reason Kohli , Babar bats slowly is bcoz they know their batting line up is thin. While Buttler and Hales know their batting line up extends till No 9

Big difference !

 

[emranabbas]

There are people here who say Babar and Rizwan are blameless for the performance yesterday

My foot!!

How can you score a boundary each in the powerplay and not be blamed????

Did England have 5 fielders on the boundary in the first 6 overs????? Where they using McGrath, Akram, Donald, Ambrose as their powerplay overs bowlers????

Were Babar and Rizwan not ranked top 10 in the ICC rankings for T20 batting prior to this innings???

Where are those besharams who were saying criticising these two is akin to lacking cricket acumen???

The ground was humongous only singles doubles were possible but then when england came to bat the ground shrunk they somehow got hold of the machine the scientist used in honey I shrunk the kids

 

[jnaveen1980]

Rahane one and Yuvi are unforgivable. But against West Indies India still could have won. But those no ball dismissals turned the game around. Yuvi one was incredibly pathetic. Malinga did not even attack the stumps. He kept bowling those wide yorkers. Dhoni/Yuvi buried us.

 

[jnaveen1980]

In 2016 Ajinkiya Rahane became the scapegoat . BUt again it was not his fault only. Indian team was more focused on running quick 2s and 3s instead of hitting 4s and 6s. On the other hand the West Indies batters were hitting sixes for fun. They never bothered about these 2s and 3s

6 years later India is still doing the same. Look how excited Harsha Bhogle gets when Kohli runs a quick 2 or 3. But Buttler and Hales did not bother about running fast. They were dealing in 4s and 6s.

T20 is power game. U need more guys like SKY and Hardik - guys who can bit 4s and 6s. Not super athletes like Kohli who can run fast between wickets !

England's power game showed up very few times in this world T20. Only place where they actually batted well was at the Adelaide oval. That pitch requires atleast 200 plus against England. IN other places they didn't score that quickly.

 

[jnaveen1980]

This is why I think "Big Game Runs On the Board" formula is outdated in T20Is.
In T20Is always chase. Pitches don't change significantly in 20 overs and you know at what pace you need to go when batting second. Bowlers are under less pressure when bowling first.

Although England's chasing record is averagei in the last 12 months, it is still easy to chase against England.

 

[Rana]

Imagine this bowling attack in the first 6 overs:

Stokes
Woakes
Curran
Jordan

And you score a boundary each. How is this blameless batting in the powerplay???

 

[NishanKonar]

England's power game showed up very few times in this world T20. Only place where they actually batted well was at the Adelaide oval. That pitch requires atleast 200 plus against England. IN other places they didn't score that quickly.

They did it when it was required. India could not do it in Adelaide was bcoz they did not have resources

Same in 2016 WC. The Mumbai pitch was flat but we did not have power hitters to capitalise

 

[jnaveen1980]

They did it when it was required. India could not do it in Adelaide was bcoz they did not have resources

Same in 2016 WC. The Mumbai pitch was flat but we did not have power hitters to capitalise

Not really. India could have chased it better on t hat surface. That pitch was win the toss field first pitch. Bangladesh also batted very well batting second.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Imagine this bowling attack in the first 6 overs:

Stokes
Woakes
Curran
Jordan

And you score a boundary each. How is this blameless batting in the powerplay???

Exactly. This is laddu bowling honestly. This will be proven come t he next world cup if they field the same bowling line up. But for India's deliberate tuk tuk this would have been shown u pin the semi final itself.

 

[msb314]

This is why I think "Big Game Runs On the Board" formula is outdated in T20Is.
In T20Is always chase. Pitches don't change significantly in 20 overs and you know at what pace you need to go when batting second. Bowlers are under less pressure when bowling first.

This can backfire spectacularly if the team batting first puts 190+ on the board.

Yes the team batting second is aware of the asking rate but you still need to put away the bad balls and deal with scoreboard pressure

 

[Colorblind Genius]

If YOU yearn and/or if your batting line is unreliable and weak enough to push you, to include a “stabilizer” (tuk tukker) in the batting line, then you are simply not a champion team.

It’s only 20 freaking overs.
And top teams like England have realized that there is no place for tuk tukkers and stabilizer.

EVERY batsman must be a solid power hitter. And you only need one or two to fire up and that’s it!

Our coward and timid stone age mindset is still stuck in the hopeless philosophies that falana batsman brings a calming effect and dhimkana batsman brings the soothing effect and Mr. XYZ plays the role of an anchor in the batting innings.

If your T20 batting needs anchors then you are in the wrong race.

T20 is a powerboat race where you gotta go FULL THROTTLE , but you are taking a sailing ship to compete in it.

 

[Ab Fan]

In 2016 Ajinkiya Rahane became the scapegoat . BUt again it was not his fault only. Indian team was more focused on running quick 2s and 3s instead of hitting 4s and 6s. On the other hand the West Indies batters were hitting sixes for fun. They never bothered about these 2s and 3s

6 years later India is still doing the same. Look how excited Harsha Bhogle gets when Kohli runs a quick 2 or 3. But Buttler and Hales did not bother about running fast. They were dealing in 4s and 6s.

T20 is power game. U need more guys like SKY and Hardik - guys who can bit 4s and 6s. Not super athletes like Kohli who can run fast between wickets !

Every player has their own way of scoring runs. Ultimately output matters.

Rahane type batting gives you a SR of 110-115 while Kohli and Rohit type batting will give you a good SR.

Windies batters obviously will give you even higher SR but it is a case of hits and misses. It clicks for some and doesn't click for most.

India aren't known for playing with 5-6 cricketers like that but what they are capable is playing with guys who have greater range of shots and can accelerate well enough. This is why Rahane's knock was poor. It was well below par from the normal T20 standard.

 

[SamNJ]

This can backfire spectacularly if the team batting first puts 190+ on the board.

Yes the team batting second is aware of the asking rate but you still need to put away the bad balls and deal with scoreboard pressure

In that case you have done poor bowling to be honest or it may be a very flat pitch.
In all last 4 t20 world cups, all 12 knock outs(2 SFs and Finals) were won by chasing teams.

 

[NishanKonar]

Every player has their own way of scoring runs. Ultimately output matters.

Rahane type batting gives you a SR of 110-115 while Kohli and Rohit type batting will give you a good SR.

Windies batters obviously will give you even higher SR but it is a case of hits and misses. It clicks for some and doesn't click for most.

India aren't known for playing with 5-6 cricketers like that but what they are capable is playing with guys who have greater range of shots and can accelerate well enough. This is why Rahane's knock was poor. It was well below par from the normal T20 standard.

Both Kohli and Rohit plays lot of balls initially. Then they try to make up by hitting out in the last overs. But in the process u end up playing lot of dot balls and fail to capitalize on the middle overs

Look at how Kohli was playing spinners against England. That cost us dearly

Of course India is not known to play with 5-6 hitters. Just like England was not known to play aggressive white ball cricket before 2015. Thing is England changed their tactics after 2015 WC disaster. While India is still playing old fashioned white ball cricket and losing in ICC events. Hope this latest debacle will force a change and new approach

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Our openers single handedly destroyed.

 

[Mamoon]

Imagine this bowling attack in the first 6 overs:

Stokes
Woakes
Curran
Jordan

And you score a boundary each. How is this blameless batting in the powerplay???

Exactly. This is laddu bowling honestly. This will be proven come t he next world cup if they field the same bowling line up. But for India's deliberate tuk tuk this would have been shown u pin the semi final itself.

Babar and Rizwan were garbage, but people look at the names of the English bowlers and underrate them.

England bowl really, really well. They are probably the smartest side in terms of executing their plans and bowling to the field.

They don’t have pace when you take Wood out but they bowl with a lot of variations. Each ball is different and the batsmen are not settled against them.

They stifled New Zealand and Indian batsmen as well and there is no doubt they would have beaten Australia too just like they did before the World Cup.

 

[jnaveen1980]

In that case you have done poor bowling to be honest or it may be a very flat pitch.
In all last 4 t20 world cups, all 12 knock outs(2 SFs and Finals) were won by chasing teams.

This England side is beatable provided you get to bat second. NZ showed it in 2021. England was even more favorites in 2021. But they were brutalized in the end overs by NZ.

 

[Rana]

Babar and Rizwan were garbage, but people look at the names of the English bowlers and underrate them.

England bowl really, really well. They are probably the smartest side in terms of executing their plans and bowling to the field.

They don’t have pace when you take Wood out but they bowl with a lot of variations. Each ball is different and the batsmen are not settled against them.

They stifled New Zealand and Indian batsmen as well and there is no doubt they would have beaten Australia too just like they did before the World Cup.

The point is, the English bowlers no matter how well they bowled still isn’t an excuse for the rank 2 and 4 batsmen to not score than a boundary each in the powerplay. RizBar do nothing whatsoever to outthink the bowlers who are casually putting them under pressure with dots

Look at how Butler just plays a ramp shot out of the blue against Naseem after being pinned down 3 deliveries in a row under such high pressure

What is Babar’s get out of jail shot or Rizwan’s counter to outside off stump line? They are torturous to watch!

 

[NishanKonar]

This England side is beatable provided you get to bat second. NZ showed it in 2021. England was even more favorites in 2021. But they were brutalized in the end overs by NZ.

NZ beat England in 2021 was purely bcoz of dew factor in Dubai

 

[PakPremi]

Stokes epic Tuk Tuk won the T20 final.

 

[Rana]

Stokes epic Tuk Tuk won the T20 final.

Stokes was batting at what number?!?

Don’t you RizBab fans compare openers with middle order players!

 

[7sins]

Another curse is babar never wins a all importan Toss he should let some other player to win a toss for him

 

[Cric1234]

Stokes epic Tuk Tuk won the T20 final.

No it didn’t he saw the team home with one over to spare he did what was required on the pitch and with the target in mind it’s different to Babar and Rizwan who always play the same way regardless of the pitch and par score.

The 84-2 after 11 amazing score is hyberbole Shan took 16 of the 11th over Babar and Rizwan combined scored 47 of 42 considering they batted in the powerplay that isn’t enough.

Then we have the match situation where on a wicket helping bowlers and a big ground Nawaz and Shadab were not going to fire today it was all on the top order to win the match they failed again 9/10 failures from the openers the middle order saved them against South Africa and New Zealand in the tri series but not today not on this ground and it’s dimensions.

 

[ZaidTR]

Misbah brought Tuktuk mentality to Pakistan, yet his gone but players still play with his mentality. We need to change that.

 

[DHONI183]

Tuk Tuk: How one innings has cost India and Pakistan massively in T20 World Cup's last four edition

The thing worthy of notice here is that, in all of these tuk tuk spectacles, in all of these innings, there were no quick wickets or a collapse had happened, so that the situation demanded from these batsmen to halt things a bit. There was none of that and, as I´ve mentioned already anyway, all of them, barring one, came in the powerplay. The number of wickets lost on all these occasions were either just one or none at all.

Yes, I myself admit that the result could´ve perhaps been different had Shaheen not been injured, but my biggest problem with this "If only" element is that the management and the big guys at the PCB themselves might entertain the same sentiment and, as a result of it, don´t see the need for changes in the team and its rotten, old-fashioned, strategy in T20 cricket. So, Shaheen´s injury might yet end up delivering a double blow to Pakistan cricket.

 

[Usman Chadda]

This is getting boring now.

Hopefully PPers find something else to whine about, now that there’s hardly any T20 cricket next year or so.

 

[PakLFC]

Not India rather Pak are the slowest in the first 10 over. No urgency at all is shown by Babar and Rizwan.

 

[wrongun]

The brainless attempt at slogging sixes at the MCG in the final 4 overs, when 2's and the odd boundary would have netted 165 or so easily was just as big of a brain fade.

And also completely unnecessary as the platform had been laid, there was no need to slog at a ground where that is an unwise strategy.

I'd also argue Haider coming in and also attempting to smash every ball, with awful technique and not a single sighter at the same ground, where he could have also knocked twos at a healthy SR before swinging like a rusty gate.

Pakistan panicked a bit really.

 

[DHONI183]

Tuk Tuk: How one innings has cost India and Pakistan massively in T20 World Cup's last four edition

No it didn’t he saw the team home with one over to spare he did what was required on the pitch and with the target in mind it’s different to Babar and Rizwan who always play the same way regardless of the pitch and par score.

The 84-2 after 11 amazing score is hyberbole Shan took 16 of the 11th over Babar and Rizwan combined scored 47 of 42 considering they batted in the powerplay that isn’t enough.

Then we have the match situation where on a wicket helping bowlers and a big ground Nawaz and Shadab were not going to fire today it was all on the top order to win the match they failed again 9/10 failures from the openers the middle order saved them against South Africa and New Zealand in the tri series but not today not on this ground and it’s dimensions.

The bit in bold in the post above wonderfully refutes the theory about there having been set a platform for the last overs. Shan´s one good over made things look much better than they actually were.

 

[Rana]

This is getting boring now.

Hopefully PPers find something else to whine about, now that there’s hardly any T20 cricket next year or so.

It may be boring for you because you want to ignore it like Babar Azam and the management would.

It isn’t boring to us who have vested emotions in this team. It is torturous to watch this brand of cricket!

 

[PakPremi]

The brainless attempt at slogging sixes at the MCG in the final 4 overs, when 2's and the odd boundary would have netted 165 or so easily was just as big of a brain fade.

And also completely unnecessary as the platform had been laid, there was no need to slog at a ground where that is an unwise strategy.

I'd also argue Haider coming in and also attempting to smash every ball, with awful technique and not a single sighter at the same ground, where he could have also knocked twos at a healthy SR before swinging like a rusty gate.

Pakistan panicked a bit really.

Absolutely had they just batted sensibly taking twos rather than slogging which they have no skill for, could had easily made 160. I agree Hasan alsohad no buisness trying to be flash straight away just to please the PP maximum run brigade. That left bowlers toward the end to bat instead of proper batsmen or all rounders.

 

[JaDed]

In 2016 Ajinkiya Rahane became the scapegoat . BUt again it was not his fault only. Indian team was more focused on running quick 2s and 3s instead of hitting 4s and 6s. On the other hand the West Indies batters were hitting sixes for fun. They never bothered about these 2s and 3s

6 years later India is still doing the same. Look how excited Harsha Bhogle gets when Kohli runs a quick 2 or 3. But Buttler and Hales did not bother about running fast. They were dealing in 4s and 6s.

T20 is power game. U need more guys like SKY and Hardik - guys who can bit 4s and 6s. Not super athletes like Kohli who can run fast between wickets !

I would say you need a mix, our biggest issue this time was complete lack of performance from the openers, absolute disaster.

 

[JaDed]

Stokes epic Tuk Tuk won the T20 final.

Yes but he wouldn't had played that way had they batted first, I think that's the point OP is trying to make.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yes but he wouldn't had played that way had they batted first, I think that's the point OP is trying to make.

Stokes when he started his career was an aggressive player. But over a period he became a consolidator with strike rate in the range of early 120s. There was an article published on cricinfo saying. Both Malan and Stokes cannot play together due to the way they bat. Stokes is no Buttler or Bairstow.