Turkey condemns 'vile' Sweden Quran-burning protest

[MenInG]

Turkey has condemned the burning of a copy of the Quran during a protest in Sweden, describing it as a "vile act".

It said the Swedish government's decision to allow the protest to go ahead was "completely unacceptable".

It comes amid growing diplomatic tension between the two countries.

Turkey, which had appealed to Sweden to stop the protest, earlier called off a visit by Sweden's Defence Minister, Pal Jonson, saying the trip had "lost its significance and meaning".

It was hoped the trip could dispel Ankara's objections to the Scandinavian country joining the Nato military alliance. Turkey has so far held up both Sweden and Finland's Nato applications.

Turkey wants political concessions, including the deportation of critics of its President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and Kurds that it claims are terrorists.

Turkey is already a Nato member, which means it can block another country from joining. Sweden and Finland both applied to join Nato after Russia invaded Ukraine.

Rasmus Paludan, a politician from the far-right Stram Kurs (Hard Line) party, burnt a copy of the Quran during the protest on Saturday afternoon outside the Turkish embassy in Stockholm.

Muslims consider the Quran the sacred word of God and view any intentional damage or show of disrespect towards it as deeply offensive.

Turkey is a majority Muslim country. Its Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a statement denouncing the act, which it said happened despite "repeated warnings".

"Permitting this anti-Islam act, which targets Muslims and insults our sacred values, under the guise of 'freedom of expression' is completely unacceptable," it said.

It added that the burning of the Quran was another example of the "alarming" extent to which Islamophobia, racism and discrimination had reached Europe, and it called on the Swedish government to take "necessary measures".

Sweden's Foreign Minister, Tobias Billstrom, called the act "appalling".

"Sweden has a far-reaching freedom of expression, but it does not imply that the Swedish government, or myself, support the opinions expressed," he wrote on Twitter.

Separate protests both in support of and against Turkey were also held in Stockholm.

After Turkey cancelled the Swedish defence minister's trip, Mr Jonson tweeted: "Our relations with Turkey are very important to Sweden, and we look forward to continuing the dialogue on common security and defence issues at a later date."

Demonstrators in Stockholm last week hung an effigy of President Erdogan from a lamppost in what Sweden's Prime Minister said was an effort to sabotage Sweden's Nato application.

Mr Paludan held rallies last year at which he threatened to burn the Quran, sparking riots.

BBC

 

[sweep_shot]

The condemnation is justified.

The Quran burner is a lowlife and shame on Sweden for allowing this.

 

[SalimBhai]

The condemnation is justified.

The Quran burner is a lowlife and shame on Sweden for allowing this.

Why are you being so woke

 

[Champ_Pal]

Burning it solves nothing. Swedes must Explain why Swedish way of life is better than Islam. Resorting to violence and burning stuff means they have lost the argument.

 

[SalimBhai]

I was just joking about being woke. You can protest peacefully. That’s about it. The guy doing this is an idiot.

 

[KingKhanWC]

"Sweden's Foreign Minister, Tobias Billstrom, called the act "appalling".

"Sweden has a far-reaching freedom of expression, but it does not imply that the Swedish government, or myself, support the opinions expressed," he wrote on Twitter."

I wonder if this far reaching freedom of expression would be ok if someone was to burn the Israeli or Jewish Torah. I dbout it, as Sweden were tryng to ban holacaust denial.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Burning it solves nothing. Swedes must Explain why Swedish way of life is better than Islam. Resorting to violence and burning stuff means they have lost the argument.

Sweden first needs to explain why they helped frame Julian Assange on false rape charges for WikiLeaks exposure of foreign state secrets. Burn Qurans if you want, but if you really believe in free speech, why would you jail someone who exposed foreign govt machinations across the world?

 

[Robert]

Sweden first needs to explain why they helped frame Julian Assange on false rape charges for WikiLeaks exposure of foreign state secrets. Burn Qurans if you want, but if you really believe in free speech, why would you jail someone who exposed foreign govt machinations across the world?

How do you know the charges were false, Cap? Perhaps you should ask the two women who accused Assange. If he was innocent, he should have faced his accusers in court.

Sweden didn’t jail him. UK jailed him for evading a European Arrest Warrant.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

How do you know the charges were false, Cap? Perhaps you should ask the two women who accused Assange. If he was innocent, he should have faced his accusers in court.

Sweden didn’t jail him. UK jailed him for evading a European Arrest Warrant.

Sweden dropped the charges of rape. If he was jailed in the UK on those false charges then I suppose that is even more strange.

 

[The_KING]

Burn the rainbow flag or Israeli flag, and it is called hate speech. But burn the Quran and it called "Freedom of Expression." I love the double standards.

But anyway, some lowlife burning the Quran doesn't harm Islam in any way. Millions of Muslims around the world have memorized the whole Quran by heart. So even if these gutter rats like Paludan burn every single Quran in the world, it won't make a difference and Islam will still survive.

 

[Technics 1210]

Burn the rainbow flag or Israeli flag, and it is called hate speech. But burn the Quran and it called "Freedom of Expression." I love the double standards.

Spot on.

Western Liberalism at its finest.

 

[sweep_shot]

Burn the rainbow flag or Israeli flag, and it is called hate speech. But burn the Quran and it called "Freedom of Expression." I love the double standards.

Spot on.

There is indeed a blatant double standard.

 

[Technics 1210]

Sweden dropped the charges of rape. If he was jailed in the UK on those false charges then I suppose that is even more strange.

I think you are wasting your time. Liberals of the West are convinced he is guilty despite the women dropping the case and Swedish authorities recinding the arrest warrant.

Liberalism is the face of western fascism.

 

[SalimBhai]

If you burn the rainbow flag or Israeli flag nobody comes and kills you. Nobody attacks you for like 30 years down the road ( Rushdie ). Big big difference. I am not for burning the Koran. But sorry no comparison.

 

[Robert]

Sweden dropped the charges of rape. If he was jailed in the UK on those false charges then I suppose that is even more strange.

Why do you assume the two women falsely accused him?

UK jailed him for evading the arrest warrant, not charges or rape. You cannot be found guilty of rape except in a court.

What *is* strange to me is that he is still in jail, long past his term for avoiding arrest. HM Gov has refused the US extradition request, however.

 

[Robert]

Burn the rainbow flag or Israeli flag, and it is called hate speech.

Do you know this to be the case in Swedish law?

 

[Technics 1210]

Everyone knows if the Rainbow flag is burned, let alone, criticised in Europe, then you're cancelled.

There will be no public outrage in Sweden over these burnings, but if you want attention, burn the rainbow.

 

[SalimBhai]

Everyone knows if the Rainbow flag is burned, let alone, criticised in Europe, then you're cancelled.

There will be no public outrage in Sweden over these burnings, but if you want attention, burn the rainbow.

Dude protest all you want. What u can’t do is kill people for offending you. Is that so hard so hard to understand .

 

[The_KING]

Do you know this to be the case in Swedish law?

Oh please, say anything 'negative' about the LGBTQ community in these western liberal countries, and you are cancelled. You burn the rainbow flag in a country like Sweden and you are probably getting arrested.

 

[SalimBhai]

Oh please, say anything 'negative' about the LGBTQ community in these western liberal countries, and you are cancelled. You burn the rainbow flag in a country like Sweden and you are probably getting arrested.

And if you burn the Quran your life is in danger. Even 30 years down the line

 

[Technics 1210]

"Sweden's Foreign Minister, Tobias Billstrom, called the act "appalling".

"Sweden has a far-reaching freedom of expression, but it does not imply that the Swedish government, or myself, support the opinions expressed," he wrote on Twitter."

I wonder if this far reaching freedom of expression would be ok if someone was to burn the Israeli or Jewish Torah. I dbout it, as Sweden were tryng to ban holacaust denial.

Notice how the so called foreign minister does not ‘condemn’ the burning. He can straight up say the Swedish government does not support such actions and condemns such actions, but no, a wishy washy open ended statement.

 

[Robert]

Oh please, say anything 'negative' about the LGBTQ community in these western liberal countries, and you are cancelled. You burn the rainbow flag in a country like Sweden and you are probably getting arrested.

"Probably". So you don't know whether or not rainbow flag burning is protected by freedom of expression laws in Sweden.

 

[Robert]

But I do.

https://www.riksdagen.se/en/how-the-riksdag-works/democracy/the-constitution/#4be9741000442449e38cd22485c47f74

 

[KingKhanWC]

Notice how the so called foreign minister does not ‘condemn’ the burning. He can straight up say the Swedish government does not support such actions and condemns such actions, but no, a wishy washy open ended statement.

The arrogance is cringe esp now they have severely delayed or perhaps ruined their fantasy wish of joining Nato. Turkey was looking for further excuses, now they have another.

Burn the Israeli flag dressed as a Nazi, the minister would be quick to condemn.

The is more hypocrisy in the west than in any civilisation in hisory.

 

[RexRex]

"Sweden's Foreign Minister, Tobias Billstrom, called the act "appalling".

"Sweden has a far-reaching freedom of expression, but it does not imply that the Swedish government, or myself, support the opinions expressed," he wrote on Twitter."

I wonder if this far reaching freedom of expression would be ok if someone was to burn the Israeli or Jewish Torah. I dbout it, as Sweden were tryng to ban holacaust denial.

I wouldn't burn a Quran but this is freedom of expression. Embrace it. Something Pakistan can learn from enlightened European democracies. In Pakistan, people are on death row for blasphemy charges. Shocking

 

[Technics 1210]

I wouldn't burn a Quran but this is freedom of expression. Embrace it. Something Pakistan can learn from enlightened European democracies. In Pakistan, people are on death row for blasphemy charges. Shocking

Blasphemy law is shocking, but it was a law implemented by the British in the 19th century.

Sadly for the obvious who will take this news as an opportunity to diss Pakistan, Pakistan cannot be blamed for the introduction of said law, the British take the blame.

 

[RexRex]

Sadly for the obvious who will take this news as an opportunity to diss Pakistan, Pakistan cannot be blamed for the introduction of said law, the British take the blame.

Don't blame the British, they left 70 years ago. Pakistan's legislative assembly can easily repeal the law, given how much it is abused, but they won't.

 

[Technics 1210]

Don't blame the British, they left 70 years ago. Pakistan's legislative assembly can easily repeal the law, given how much it is abused, but they won't.

Same as India can repeal many things implemented by the British, such as the caste system.

Move on, this thread isn’t an opportunity to diss Islam/Pakistan, it is to highlight the so called liberal hypocrisy in the West.

 

[RexRex]

Move on, this thread isn’t an opportunity to diss Islam/Pakistan, it is to highlight the so called liberal hypocrisy in the West.

I am not dissing anyone, I am calling for common sense.

Every thread on a 'blasphemy in West' topic involves you and kkwc moaning about Holocaust. It's boring & repititive. Instead you should realise how much better Sweden has it compared to your home country and learn from it.

 

[Technics 1210]

But I do.

https://www.riksdagen.se/en/how-the-riksdag-works/democracy/the-constitution/#4be9741000442449e38cd22485c47f74

No you do not.

The link you have cited covers the Freedom of Press act which involved freedom to publish and broadcast, and freedom of expression.

Read the freedom of expression part:

In Sweden, you have the right to have an opinion on anything and say almost anything you want. You have the right to express yourself freely on the radio, TV and the Internet. The Fundamental Law on Freedom of Expression sets out these rights. It also describes what is not permitted, for example defaming or publicly insulting another person.

Let me know when you read the part that give the Swedes the right to insult Muslims, but prohibits the right to insult Jews.

No one should fall these web of words you have cited.

 

[The_KING]

"Probably". So you don't know whether or not rainbow flag burning is protected by freedom of expression laws in Sweden.

Please, given the nature of your posts, if someone burned the black lives matter logo, you would be offended. But someone burning the Quran, and you are defending it under the guise of "freedom of expression."

 

[Technics 1210]

The Swedish law is clear, in Sweden, there are certain limits to FoE, and that certain acts are not permitted, for example, publicly insulting another person.

Burning the Qur'an in public (during a protest) in Sweden is insulting to Muslims, but as regular as clockwork, liberals defend this by claiming such insulting acts are permitted under freedom of expression in the liberal West - Swedish law says otherwise.

 

[daytrader]

These things happen and each country has enough hate speech laws to hold the culprit responsible. What's really repulsive though, in the Pakistani context, is the lack of reaction from organizations like the TLP. Good to see those hypocrites exposed

 

[Robert]

Please, given the nature of your posts, if someone burned the black lives matter logo, you would be offended. But someone burning the Quran, and you are defending it under the guise of "freedom of expression."

Don’t put words in my mouth, please. I am not defending Qu’ran burning. If you have read my posts you will see that I have repeatedly pointed out that the right of freedom of expression must be balanced by the responsibility to not abuse it - to not to shout ‘Fire’ in a crowded theatre if there is no fire.

This is not about me, it’s about Sweden and Turkiye.

In effect the latter has asked the former to create a special blasphemy law to cover Islam only. Sweden’s legislature will not give one religion special consideration over another.

 

[daytrader]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No words are enough to adequately condemn the abhorrable act of desecration of the Holy Quran by a right-wing extremist in Sweden. The garb of the freedom of expression cannot be used to hurt the religious emotions of 1.5 billion Muslims across the world. This is unacceptable.</p>— Shehbaz Sharif (@CMShehbaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMShehbaz/status/1617041941652475907?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Technics 1210]

Sweden grants permission to burn the KORAN outside Turkish embassy - as Erdogan continues to block country's NATO bid

A convicted far-right leader in Sweden has received permission to burn a copy of the Koran outside the Turkish embassy in Stockholm - as the country battles to convince President Erdogan to let it join NATO.

Rasmus Paludan, 41, has a permit to burn the book in front of the building on Saturday 21 January, to coincide with two related demonstrations planned in protest of Turkey.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Turkish-embassy-Erdgoan-blocks-NATO-bid.html

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Freedom of expression my backside! Swedish authorites granted permission because Erdogan is not playing ball with Sweden's application to join NATO

Liberals are the reason this world is in a mess! Fascists and racists who throw their toys out of the pram when other nations express their freedom and choice, even at the political level!

Every Liberal must be exposed!

 

[MenInG]

Pathetic Govt of Sweden.

But that's where my anger ends.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Strongly condemn burning of Holy Quran yesterday at a protest in Sweden. Last March on our govt's initiative the UNGA passed OIC sponsored landmark Res on International Day to Combat Islamophobia. It recognised that Islamophobic acts were not an expression of freedom of speech.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1617104217415581698?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2023</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Quran?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Quran</a> is glorious, the very book that teaches us tolerance towards other religions. Promoting and showcasing of burning the Quran is a shameless act. I strongly condemn and stand against it. Islamophobic acts are not an expression of freedom of speech. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sweden?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Sweden</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/islamophobia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#islamophobia</a></p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1617117872979062784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Holy <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Quran?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Quran</a> teaches not only Muslims but the entire Human race how to spend life with peace & dignity! It has become a fashion in the west now, enough of these shameless acts and must be taken care of by the entire Muslim Ummah and rest of the communities living! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sweden?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Sweden</a></p>— Khushdil Shah (@KhushdilShah_) <a href="https://twitter.com/KhushdilShah_/status/1617185825149833217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I strongly condemn the desecration of Holy Quran in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sweden?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Sweden</a>. This type of heinous act under the label of freedom of expression is totally unacceptable and absurd.</p>— Imam Ul Haq (@ImamUlHaq12) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImamUlHaq12/status/1617125574002065414?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[The_KING]

Don’t put words in my mouth, please. I am not defending Qu’ran burning. If you have read my posts you will see that I have repeatedly pointed out that the right of freedom of expression must be balanced by the responsibility to not abuse it - to not to shout ‘Fire’ in a crowded theatre if there is no fire.

This is not about me, it’s about Sweden and Turkiye.

In effect the latter has asked the former to create a special blasphemy law to cover Islam only. Sweden’s legislature will not give one religion special consideration over another.

Fair enough.

 

[SalimBhai]

The Quran burning by this idiot is insane. You can protest as much as you want. And you should What you can’t do is threaten people , kill people, put streets on fire. That is unacceptable.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Disgusted to hear about the desecration of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HolyQuran?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HolyQuran</a> in Sweden. No one should ever be allowed to disrespect the sentiments of any religion like this.</p>— Wahab Riaz (@WahabViki) <a href="https://twitter.com/WahabViki/status/1617212868142764034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Absurd, condemnable and shameful. That’s all what I’ve to say on the heinous act of burning the Holy Quran in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sweden?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Sweden</a>. Unacceptable!!</p>— Fawad Alam (@iamfawadalam25) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamfawadalam25/status/1617230941570711552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[PakLFC]

The only way to protest is take diplomatic action against Sweden. That hurts more then anything else when the pocket feels much lighter. Such things happen because Muslim governments and leader don't care other then make the standard statements .

 

[Robert]

The only way to protest is take diplomatic action against Sweden. That hurts more then anything else when the pocket feels much lighter. Such things happen because Muslim governments and leader don't care other then make the standard statements .

Why are you making Sweden out to be the bad guy? Consider how many Middle Eastern refugees they took, who were flying from wars that Sweden took no part in.

The Qu’ran burner is the bad guy, the one causing the trouble. He wants the Muslim world to hate Sweden in the hope that the Swedes will turn against the Muslims they took in. Don’t play his game!

 

[Technics 1210]

The only way to protest is take diplomatic action against Sweden. That hurts more then anything else when the pocket feels much lighter. Such things happen because Muslim governments and leader don't care other then make the standard statements .

Yup, this Qur'an burning was approved by Swedish authorities and is a direct reaction to Erdogan refusing to play ball with Sweden's application to join NATO.

Swedish Government are the perpetrators of hate here and Erdogan should simply veto Sweden's application to join NATO.

 

[PakLFC]

Why are you making Sweden out to be the bad guy? Consider how many Middle Eastern refugees they took, who were flying from wars that Sweden took no part in.

The Qu’ran burner is the bad guy, the one causing the trouble. He wants the Muslim world to hate Sweden in the hope that the Swedes will turn against the Muslims they took in. Don’t play his game!

Two wrongs don't make a right. I am not suggesting Swedish people be harmed yet some action needs to be taken in order to put pressure on the Swedish government. Do you expect Muslim's to do nothing that will surely lead to more of such things.

I dare him to burn any other religious book as form of freedom of expression.

 

[Robert]

Two wrongs don't make a right. I am not suggesting Swedish people be harmed yet some action needs to be taken in order to put pressure on the Swedish government. Do you expect Muslim's to do nothing that will surely lead to more of such things.

I dare him to burn any other religious book as form of freedom of expression.

What is the other wrong - not having a blasphemy act?

If he burned a Bible in Sweden, most Christians would think “What a moron” - and then forgive him.. Which is why he wouldn’t burn one.

Ignore troll behaviour, rather than rise to the bait and thereby give the trolls the attention that trolls crave.

 

[Mirpuri Don]

What is the other wrong - not having a blasphemy act?

If he burned a Bible in Sweden, most Christians would think “What a *****” - and then forgive him.. Which is why he wouldn’t burn one.

Ignore troll behaviour, rather than rise to the bait and thereby give the trolls the attention that trolls crave.

Let's be honest, most "Christians" would have no problem with him burning the Bible in Sweden because 1) Christians in the country aren't as demographically important as Muslims in Turkey (50-60% at best against +90%) 2) even those self-identifying as Christian are secularized, they don't care about religion.

 

[ex-q-zit]

"Deeply Disrespectful": Swedish PM Condemns Quran Burning In Stockholm

Sweden's prime minister has condemned as "deeply disrespectful" the weekend burning of a Quran in Stockholm, which has raised tensions with Turkey as the Nordic country courts Ankara over its NATO bid.

Far-right politician Rasmus Paludan set fire to a copy of the Muslim holy book on Saturday in front of Turkey's embassy in the Swedish capital.

Furious that Paludan had been permitted by Swedish police to carry out the protest, Ankara cancelled a visit by Sweden's defence minister and summoned Stockholm's ambassador.

Late on Saturday, Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson tweeted: "Freedom of expression is a fundamental part of democracy. But what is legal is not necessarily appropriate. Burning books that are holy to many is a deeply disrespectful act."

"I want to express my sympathy for all Muslims who are offended by what has happened in Stockholm today."

Paludan's demonstration has further damaged relations as Stockholm tries to convince NATO member Turkey to approve Sweden and Finland joining the military alliance.

Sweden's bid has been stalled amid Ankara's demands that Stockholm hand over Kurdish activists and prevent rallies attacking Turkey's leadership.

Many Muslim countries said they were outraged by the burning of the Quran on Saturday.

Morocco said it was "astonished" the authorities had allowed it to take place "in front of the Swedish forces of order".

Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates also condemned it, as did the Gulf Cooperation Council and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation.

Jakarta said "the act of blasphemy against the holy book has hurt and tarnished religious tolerance", adding that "freedom of expression must be exercised in a responsible manner".

Dozens of protesters gathered late Saturday in front of the Swedish consulate in Istanbul, where they burned a Swedish flag and called on Turkey to sever diplomatic ties with Stockholm.

Paludan, a Swedish-Danish activist who has already been convicted for racist abuse, provoked rioting in Sweden last year when he went on a tour of the country and publicly burned copies of the Quran.

NDTV

 

[MenInG]

Hundreds of Afghan men staged a protest in the eastern city of Khost on Tuesday to express anger at the desecration of the Holy Quran in the Swedish capital over the weekend.

Swedish-Danish far-right politician Rasmus Paludan on Saturday set fire to a copy of the Holy Quran in front of Turkey’s embassy in Stockholm.

DAWN

 

[PakLFC]

Yup, this Qur'an burning was approved by Swedish authorities and is a direct reaction to Erdogan refusing to play ball with Sweden's application to join NATO.

Swedish Government are the perpetrators of hate here and Erdogan should simply veto Sweden's application to join NATO.

So do you think Muslim's should do nothing just to please the social quo and prove that burning the Qur'an is acceptable?. Most Muslim's were innocent of 9/11 yet the west has killed millions in the name of WOT, why??. Erdogan is right in not supporting Sweden and neither should he.

 

[PakLFC]

What is the other wrong - not having a blasphemy act?

If he burned a Bible in Sweden, most Christians would think “What a *****” - and then forgive him.. Which is why he wouldn’t burn one.

Ignore troll behaviour, rather than rise to the bait and thereby give the trolls the attention that trolls crave.

Second wrong would be the Muslim's not protesting over the burning of our Holy Book. Just because today's Christians accept burning off their holy book does not mean we do so as well. Ignoring such acts only encourages these people to continue in their ways.

 

[SalimBhai]

You can protest to your hearts content . Thats your right. You just cant get violent. Also if you stop protesting this clown will stop burning the book also after a few times. He is looking for a reaction

 

[PakLFC]

First the west was crying when Muslim's became violent over the Qur'an burning. I agreed that there is no place in violence no matter what. Now they are telling us that there is no point in protesting either. Just accept it as being normal and move on. This can never be so.

 

[SalimBhai]

First the west was crying when Muslim's became violent over the Qur'an burning. I agreed that there is no place in violence no matter what. Now they are telling us that there is no point in protesting either. Just accept it as being normali dokt and move on. This can never be so.

I dont see anyone saying you cant protest. Protest to your hearts content

 

[PakLFC]

I dont see anyone saying you cant protest. Protest to your hearts content

See post 49 that says Ignore troll behaviour,. Nonetheless even that is not enough. Muslim countries should take diplomatic action against the country that insults Islam. Why not when the west bombed and killed so many Muslim's after 9/11 holding them all responsible.

 

[Robert]

First the west was crying when Muslim's became violent over the Qur'an burning. I agreed that there is no place in violence no matter what. Now they are telling us that there is no point in protesting either. Just accept it as being normal and move on. This can never be so.

Ask yourself - what does this far right Islamophobe want?

If Swedish Muslims want a blasphemy law on the statutes, they should organise within Sweden.

 

[Technics 1210]

So do you think Muslim's should do nothing just to please the social quo and prove that burning the Qur'an is acceptable?. Most Muslim's were innocent of 9/11 yet the west has killed millions in the name of WOT, why??. Erdogan is right in not supporting Sweden and neither should he.

Erdogan is absolutely spot on in not supporting Sweden.

Muslims should react but not with violence. Vetoing Sweden's NATO application is one move, blocking Oil exports to the Western liberal front is another move.

Muslims should hit the haters where it hurts - politics and economy.

 

[daytrader]

US CONDEMNS QURAN DESECRATION IN SWEDEN

The US State Department on Wednesday condemned the desecration of the Quran in Sweden, ARY News reported.

As per details, the State Department spokesperson Ned Price addressed a press briefing and termed it disgusting, vile, reprehensible and repugnant.

He said that no one in the US administration is voicing any degree of support whatsoever for this vile action that took place in Sweden but it’s a free democracy and they have the freedom to express themselves which sometimes leads to terrible decisions and awful things.

In his reply to a question on Pakistan buying oil from Russia, Ned Price said that now is not the time to increase economic activity with Russia.

But the US understand the imperative of keeping global energy markets well resourced, and well supplied, and the price cap, we believe, provides a mechanism to do that.

Earlier, Pakistan strongly condemned the abhorrent act of desecration of the Holy Quran in Sweden.

The spokesperson of Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA), Mumtaz Zahra Baloch issued a statement that said that this provocative Islamophobic act hurts the religious sensitivities of over 1.5 billion Muslims around the globe.

She said such actions are not covered under any legitimate expression of the right to freedom of expression or opinion, which carries responsibilities under international human rights law.

It is pertinent to mention here that an anti-immigrant politician from the far-right fringe burned a copy of the holy book near the Turkish Embassy in Stockholm.

ARY

 

[Technics 1210]

Ask yourself - what does this far right Islamophobe want?

If Swedish Muslims want a blasphemy law on the statutes, they should organise within Sweden.

Why don't you ask yourself what the far left want in the West?

You are trying to spin this as some blasphemy law issue? Nice try.

Simple question (which you will not answer), why do members of the far right burn copies of the Qur'an in the name of FoS, but not the Bible or Torah?

And please save this notion that you condemn Qur'an burning, you do not. You will spend time condemning the Tories and Anti-Semitism in every thread possible, but never will you state categorically, repeatedly, the condemnation against Islamophobia but instead make excuses under the guise of FoS.

Feel free to correct me.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I wouldn't burn a Quran but this is freedom of expression. Embrace it. Something Pakistan can learn from enlightened European democracies. In Pakistan, people are on death row for blasphemy charges. Shocking

Ill embrave it as Ive lived in Europe all my life but when Im allowed to burn a book of the Holocaust or Torah.

Btw please also ask Sweden to embrace their own laws of so called freedom of expression.

Swedish party official suspended after Anne Frank posting
An official from the far-right Sweden Democrats has been suspended from her duties for making degrading comments about Jewish teenage diarist Anne Frank

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/anne-frank-ap-swedish-stockholm-jewish-b2203852.html

 

[Technics 1210]

Btw please also ask Sweden to embrace their own laws of so called freedom of expression.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/anne-frank-ap-swedish-stockholm-jewish-b2203852.html

Ouch!

When it comes to expressing opinions on Jews in the so called Liberal West, its freedom of surpression!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ouch!

When it comes to expressing opinions on Jews in the so called Liberal West, its freedom of surpression!

A person called Anne Frank, 'immoral'.

From the article.

" Israeli Ambassador Ziv Nevo Kulman, who in a tweet said: “I strongly condemn this despicable insult, disrespectful of the memory of Anne Frank."

"The Sweden Democrats’ media director, Oskar Cavalli-Bjorkman, told the Swedish news agency TT late Saturday that the party would take Fallenkvist’s “insensitive and inappropriate”"

So it seems Sweden has freedom of experession unless its insensitive and inappropriate. Its good to know Muslims have no feelings but others have strong feelings and insecurity acc to Swedes.

 

[Robert]

Ill embrave it as Ive lived in Europe all my life but when Im allowed to burn a book of the Holocaust or Torah.

Btw please also ask Sweden to embrace their own laws of so called freedom of expression.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/anne-frank-ap-swedish-stockholm-jewish-b2203852.html

You are in UK, not Sweden, where we have hate speech laws. So you would risk arrest for inciting hate if you burn a copy of the Torah. The same laws protect you as a Pakistani and a Muslim from people inciting hate against you.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You are in UK, not Sweden, where we have hate speech laws. So you would risk arrest for inciting hate if you burn a copy of the Torah. The same laws protect you as a Pakistani and a Muslim from people inciting hate against you.

Of course, I should have wrote If someone in Sweden was too....

How can Sweden say they are open to all freedom of expression but get upset when its against a certain community?

Althought inciting hate in the UK is down to interpretation. Look at the likes of the EDL and Britain first who spouted hate for years . They only stopped because Muslims in the UK have political power, economic power and are open to confronting them in person.

 

[SalimBhai]

Ignore these idiots and after a few times they will stop burning the koran. They are looking for attention and you are happily being a volunteer

 

[KingKhanWC]

Paludan in windy weather for sex chat with boys

The Danish politician must in video and audio recordings with young boys have extensive sex conversations with the children, who in the conversations state that they are as young as 13 years old.

A lawyer tells Ekstrabladet that the 39-year-old politician's chatting is illegal, if it can be shown that the young people are under 15 years old. On Friday, Paludan was reported to the police by Save the Children.

“Save the Children can confirm that the organization has submitted a police report in the case. Save the Children has read some of the material that Ekstra Bladet has and has judged that some of the content may be illegal and degrading,” the organization wrote in a statement that reproduced by Ekstrabladet.

https://allinfo.space/2021/08/27/paludan-in-windy-weather-for-sex-chat-with-boys/

Why are so many Islamaphobes peados?

Sweden freedom of expression is a must but protecting chilren doesnt matter as much.

 

[sweep_shot]

https://allinfo.space/2021/08/27/paludan-in-windy-weather-for-sex-chat-with-boys/

Why are so many Islamaphobes peados?

Sweden freedom of expression is a must but protecting chilren doesnt matter as much.

These people are damaged in the heads.

Evil people.

 

[Technics 1210]

The news now in circulation (Daily Telegraph) is that Rasmus Paludan is working for the Russians and Putin put him up to this to jepordise Sweden's membership to NATO. )

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...list-organised-quran-burning-turkish-embassy/

If all else fails, blame the Russians.

 

[Robert]

Of course, I should have wrote If someone in Sweden was too....

How can Sweden say they are open to all freedom of expression but get upset when its against a certain community?[/]

Althought inciting hate in the UK is down to interpretation. Look at the likes of the EDL and Britain first who spouted hate for years . They only stopped because Muslims in the UK have political power, economic power and are open to confronting them in person.

I don’t understand the question. The Swedish state is not anti-Muslim - look at all the refugees they took.

It’s just one fascist in a fascist party causing trouble, immediately condemned vocally by their Prime Minister.

My take on the EDL was that they fell apart after their leader Tommy Ten-Names got jailed several times, was discredited and lost all the money he had acquired from some very bad Americans. His followers grew up, got jobs and girlfriends and started families

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why do you assume the two women falsely accused him?

UK jailed him for evading the arrest warrant, not charges or rape. You cannot be found guilty of rape except in a court.

What *is* strange to me is that he is still in jail, long past his term for avoiding arrest. HM Gov has refused the US extradition request, however.

I know how the law works in Britain Robert, it's there to serve a purpose, and that can be justice according to the individual's rights, or it can be overriden by national interest. Assange angered some of Britain's most powerful allies by releasing embarrassing state secrets exposing their machinations.

Almost every nation on earth suddenly became a no go zone after those Wiki leaks, all that really shows is the power and influence exerted by the superpowers.

Of course it might all have been a coincidence, and Assange just suddenly became a rapist once he exposed those state secrets, anything is possible.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don’t understand the question. The Swedish state is not anti-Muslim - look at all the refugees they took.

It’s just one fascist in a fascist party causing trouble, immediately condemned vocally by their Prime Minister.

My take on the EDL was that they fell apart after their leader Tommy Ten-Names got jailed several times, was discredited and lost all the money he had acquired from some very bad Americans. His followers grew up, got jobs and girlfriends and started families

There should one rule for all. Sweden is a hypcorite.

The protester is a peadophile too but Sweden is very understanding in this regard it seems.

 

[Robert]

I know how the law works in Britain Robert, it's there to serve a purpose, and that can be justice according to the individual's rights, or it can be overriden by national interest. Assange angered some of Britain's most powerful allies by releasing embarrassing state secrets exposing their machinations.

Almost every nation on earth suddenly became a no go zone after those Wiki leaks, all that really shows is the power and influence exerted by the superpowers.

Of course it might all have been a coincidence, and Assange just suddenly became a rapist once he exposed those state secrets, anything is possible.

But he was accused by two Swedish women in Sweden, not two British women in Britain.

 

[Robert]

There should one rule for all. Sweden is a hypcorite.

The protester is a peadophile too but Sweden is very understanding in this regard it seems.

Swedish law says anyone found guilty of engaging in a sex act with a child of under fifteen years will face four years in jail.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

But he was accused by two Swedish women in Sweden, not two British women in Britain.

I think you must have missed the part about coincidence. I think you probably missed the whole point of the post really, although you probably missed none of it.

 

[Robert]

I think you must have missed the part about coincidence. I think you probably missed the whole point of the post really, although you probably missed none of it.

Your point appears to be that two Swedish women in Sweden accused Assange of rape at the behest of the American Federal Government.

That’s too far-fetched for me.

Simpler just to ask UK to extradite him under Federal treason charges.

 

[Technics 1210]

I think you must have missed the part about coincidence. I think you probably missed the whole point of the post really, although you probably missed none of it.

I think you are wasting your time.

The real question should be whether people believe Assange should be extradited for exposing the truth. You will never get an answer from the subservient sheep.

Sweden is clearly in on the act, and are not saints. They tried to stitch up Assange at the orders of Amreeka, the Swedish government approved the Qur'an burning outside the Turkish embassy whilst knowing the individual is a peadophile, knowing the burning will cause offence, knowing their NATO membership is all but dead.

It's ok they though, they will just blame the Russians.

 

[MenInG]

The Foreign Office (FO) on Saturday condemned “in the strongest terms” the act of desecration of the Holy Quran by Danish politician Rasmus Paludan a day before, according to an official statement.

Having strongly condemned recent such incidents in Sweden and the Netherlands, Pakistan today termed the abhorrent act done in Denmark “senseless and deeply offensive” while declaring Paludan an Islamophobe.

In the statement, the FO said the “repetition of the vile act leaves little doubt in the minds of Muslims around the world that freedom of expression is being blatantly abused to spread religious hatred and incitement to violence”.

Terming the recent acts as “racist and Islamophobic”, the FO called on the “national governments as well as the international community” to prevent such acts.

Pakistan also raised its concern about the “legal framework behind which the Islamophobes hide and spread hatred with impunity”, asserting the “international community cannot turn a blind eye to these hate mongers”.

Reiterating its position that “freedom of expression comes with responsibilities”, the FO said that Pakistan’s concerns were being conveyed to the authorities in Denmark.

Urging the authorities to be mindful of the sentiments of Muslims around the world, Pakistan asked them to “take steps to prevent such hateful and Islamophobic acts”.

DAWN