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I hardly open threads here, but today I am impressed with PAK's game. I am opening a new thread here in dedication to this PAK win over ENG, against all odds. It's called turning point - for every game, choose a moment that shifted the balance of the game. Here is the first one:

03 Jun 2019: PAK V ENG, Nottingham

Match turning point: That Shadab over, which went for 2 runs and he got Root caught.

ENG bats deep and that wicket was just before they were reaching the point of hitting distance from where their tails could have slogged to a win.
Before that, the game was tilting towards England and even after that and Buttler's dismissal, eventual gap was just 14 runs, which indicates another few runs partnership between Root & Buttler, ENG would have won it.
 
It is a common knowledge only guys like Butler and Bairstow can hunt this down. Others are either iffy or not explosive enough. Buttler wicket was the crucial.
 
This thread can be touched throughout the WC with match turning points.

Turning points in my opinion were:

Hafeez's drop
then Root's drop (That wouldnt have allowed game to go as far as it went) and then his wicket
Buttler's Wicket
 
I agree. Been saying it for a little while now. That Shadab over was the key.
 
Mohammad Amir dismissing Jos Buttler was comfortably the turning point of the match.
 
Root's wicket was the crucial moment. It opened up the middle order for us good and proper.
 
This Pakistan team is no way near as bad as some have been saying it is.

Today was a real team effort, no one point could be chosen as the turning point. Pakistan will do very well in this WC despite all the criticism that has come their way.
 
I hardly open threads here, but today I am impressed with PAK's game. I am opening a new thread here in dedication to this PAK win over ENG, against all odds. It's called turning point - for every game, choose a moment that shifted the balance of the game. Here is the first one:

03 Jun 2019: PAK V ENG, Nottingham

Match turning point: That Shadab over, which went for 2 runs and he got Root caught.

ENG bats deep and that wicket was just before they were reaching the point of hitting distance from where their tails could have slogged to a win.
Before that, the game was tilting towards England and even after that and Buttler's dismissal, eventual gap was just 14 runs, which indicates another few runs partnership between Root & Buttler, ENG would have won it.

LOL turning point is Morgan being cocky sending Pak to bat first. They had a chance to seal the Semi birth with a win today. Now, most likely they will struggle to reach Semis. They could lose to IND, AUS, NZ, or even succumb to BD/AFG spin.
 
The turning point was Buttlers dismissal. Even with Root out , Buttler still had enough partners to win the game. Once Amir got him the game was done.
 
They still would have won it. I think Buttler's wicket was the bigger turning point. Root was batting with Bairstow, Morgan and Stokes and all the while Pak was in the hunt. Then Buttler joined and all of a sudden England had the edge. Buttler might be the MVP in this English side. Root can play anchor role and get you close but he won't hurt you like Buttler would.
 
Butler's wicket

Had he stayed even 1 more over it would have gone much closer
 
They still would have won it. I think Buttler's wicket was the bigger turning
point. Root was batting with Bairstow, Morgan and Stokes and all the while Pak was in the hunt. Then Buttler joined and all of a sudden England had the edge. Buttler might be the MVP in this English side. Root can play anchor role and get you close but he won't hurt you like Buttler would.

Root only hit 5 bundares I guess after 50 One on which was edge
But his rotation if strike was brilliant .
 
People are looking at things at face value. That shadab over affected Buttler as well
 
To every one - please pick one indecent. Or at least rank those - I can point many here today - England's decision to field first on a belter, Roy's drop of Hafeez, Wahab's wicket of Johnny, Butler's wicket, even Wahab's 2 wickets ....

But, for me given the target 349 (which takes out Hafeez's drop - target was already set), and the game being perfectly balanced, it was Root's dismissal that tilted the game towards PAK - Buttler's dismissal killed it. Just before Buttler's dismissal, already asking was ~12 (for 6 overs distance) and PAK had the old balls at hand - it was PAK's game to loose from there (even Buttler present). Shadab's over was when it was ENG's game to lose.
 
To every one - please pick one indecent. Or at least rank those - I can point many here today - England's decision to field first on a belter, Roy's drop of Hafeez, Wahab's wicket of Johnny, Butler's wicket, even Wahab's 2 wickets ....

But, for me given the target 349 (which takes out Hafeez's drop - target was already set), and the game being perfectly balanced, it was Root's dismissal that tilted the game towards PAK - Buttler's dismissal killed it. Just before Buttler's dismissal, already asking was ~12 (for 6 overs distance) and PAK had the old balls at hand - it was PAK's game to loose from there (even Buttler present). Shadab's over was when it was ENG's game to lose.

No, really disagree with that, with Buttler at the crease, England could have chased down 15 RPO such is his ability and how good his form was in today's form. England would have won if Buttler wasn't dismissed. Amir dismissing Buttler along with Shadab nabbing Root and Hafeez's drop in Pakistan's innings were the 3 inflection points of the game. Either of those 3 turning England's way, would probably have led to defeat for Pakistan.

But thankfully, everyone pulled through and Pakistan won! :pkflag
 
If it has to be one it will be Root's dismissal which brought in Moen Ali where Eng lost the momentum. Root was starting to accelerate at that time.
 
In BD vs SA match I think wicket of Faf Duplesis was the turning point.
 
To every one - please pick one indecent. Or at least rank those - I can point many here today - England's decision to field first on a belter, Roy's drop of Hafeez, Wahab's wicket of Johnny, Butler's wicket, even Wahab's 2 wickets ....

But, for me given the target 349 (which takes out Hafeez's drop - target was already set), and the game being perfectly balanced, it was Root's dismissal that tilted the game towards PAK - Buttler's dismissal killed it. Just before Buttler's dismissal, already asking was ~12 (for 6 overs distance) and PAK had the old balls at hand - it was PAK's game to loose from there (even Buttler present). Shadab's over was when it was ENG's game to lose.
Root's wicket was the turning point. Buttler's wicket was the dagger.
 
Has to be the wicket of Root.

Turned the momentum into Pakistan’s favor.
 
The moment I read that stokes was coming ahead of buttler despite the fact that hafeez was bowling , I knew England were in trouble. By the time buttler had got in 9 overs of hafeez/Malik quota was over and stokes wicket was gone as well.
 
05 June : IND V SAF @ Southampton

I didn't follow the game ball by ball, but I think IND was so comfortably winners that it's hardly possible to identify one such indecent. Match apparently looks much closer, but IND was always in command, once FaF decided to bat first on a 10:30 start. Still, if I am to pick one, I'll take Sharma-Rahul partnership. For a very little period SAF was in the game when they got Kohli out with RR at around 3.5, and another wicket before 75 could have exposed IND middle order against fresh SAF pacers, but that partnership made it clinically boring.

BD V NZL @ Oval

This was a really close game that changed it's fortune several times over the course. Kiwis had their nose ahead most times, but just BD could have won it with a win at one critical moment. Among several such moments, I think most people can identify the top 2 - both involving Mushfique. First he got run-out to an impossible single, that too at the right arm side of arguably the best fielder in world, then he let Williamson off a confirmed run-out like a novice when Kiwis were panicking.

Of the 2, I actually will pick the first one - Mushfique's unnecessary run-out, when the partnership was flourishing.

The reason being, these days below 250 sort of targets are near impossible to defend, more so for a team like BD without many strike bowlers. When the target is playing out 50 overs (& you win the game), I don't think BD has much to offer with bowling - they can make it really interesting, but experienced sides will always chase it down. In last few months, only AFG & PAK had failed to do that, otherwise IND, WIN, NZ have edged past the target. Had Mushi got Williamson run-out, still I am sure Kiwis had enough depth to win it - today game became too close because of Latham's poor shot (& a great catch), otherwise it was never that tight.

In contrast, games are won often from a head start. BD openers gave a decent start, then both got out to poor shots, but Kiwi pair also matched them almost identically. What was the difference is that after the openers, Kiwi No. 3 & No. 4 put a partnership, steadied the ship and kept the asking in control. Mushi and Shakib did exactly same and that left-right combo got better of Kiwi weak overs, RR was raising consistently and at 110-2 (23'4), BD was well on course to reach close to 300, at least 275+, which I think would have been enough. ODI games are set by partnerships at the top and that one wicket actually resulted in all-out with 5 balls to spare. It was such a foolish attempt for that single that, even Kiwis were probably surprised.

The game was decided with that run-out, rest were just exciting near about moments.
 
Saw the India vs South Africa a lot of people would say Turning point was rohit being dropped which is true but India was not gonna lose this game chasing a target like this even if they lost rohit early they can still play slow and safe cricket and win the game for me

The turning point was when south Africa's wicket of Rassie van Der Dussen was on 22 and was part of the building needed to bat thier to score atleast maybe 70-80 runs which he could have done but he gifted his wicket when that happen I knew the game was lost granted their was batting to come but if he could have battery longer South Africa would have a much better and maybe would be better on the field as well
 
India wouldn't have lost it anyway so i wont consider any moment as turning point.

Bang vs NZL

Surely the missed run out chance of Kane williamson by Mushi
 
BD vs NZ

There were 3-4 turning point.

1. Mushy run out
2. Mushy missed run out of Williamson
3. Neesham run out was missed by millimeters. Neesham was like at 0 at that time.
4. LBW of Santer I think was just pitched outside.

So overall a lot of things went in favor of NZ.
 
I think the turning point in the South Africa vs India game was Van Der Dussen dismissal. Him and Faf built a good partnership, he was looking good. Once he got out , I felt the game was lost.

Rohit innings took the game away. Had SA got to 250 plus and had India 2 out early like they did , I think the game would have been much closer.
 
Musfiqur run out. BD made a close match and they needed a few more runs to win.
 
05 June : IND V SAF @ Southampton

I didn't follow the game ball by ball, but I think IND was so comfortably winners that it's hardly possible to identify one such indecent. Match apparently looks much closer, but IND was always in command, once FaF decided to bat first on a 10:30 start. Still, if I am to pick one, I'll take Sharma-Rahul partnership. For a very little period SAF was in the game when they got Kohli out with RR at around 3.5, and another wicket before 75 could have exposed IND middle order against fresh SAF pacers, but that partnership made it clinically boring.

BD V NZL @ Oval

This was a really close game that changed it's fortune several times over the course. Kiwis had their nose ahead most times, but just BD could have won it with a win at one critical moment. Among several such moments, I think most people can identify the top 2 - both involving Mushfique. First he got run-out to an impossible single, that too at the right arm side of arguably the best fielder in world, then he let Williamson off a confirmed run-out like a novice when Kiwis were panicking.

Of the 2, I actually will pick the first one - Mushfique's unnecessary run-out, when the partnership was flourishing.

The reason being, these days below 250 sort of targets are near impossible to defend, more so for a team like BD without many strike bowlers. When the target is playing out 50 overs (& you win the game), I don't think BD has much to offer with bowling - they can make it really interesting, but experienced sides will always chase it down. In last few months, only AFG & PAK had failed to do that, otherwise IND, WIN, NZ have edged past the target. Had Mushi got Williamson run-out, still I am sure Kiwis had enough depth to win it - today game became too close because of Latham's poor shot (& a great catch), otherwise it was never that tight.

In contrast, games are won often from a head start. BD openers gave a decent start, then both got out to poor shots, but Kiwi pair also matched them almost identically. What was the difference is that after the openers, Kiwi No. 3 & No. 4 put a partnership, steadied the ship and kept the asking in control. Mushi and Shakib did exactly same and that left-right combo got better of Kiwi weak overs, RR was raising consistently and at 110-2 (23'4), BD was well on course to reach close to 300, at least 275+, which I think would have been enough. ODI games are set by partnerships at the top and that one wicket actually resulted in all-out with 5 balls to spare. It was such a foolish attempt for that single that, even Kiwis were probably surprised.

The game was decided with that run-out, rest were just exciting near about moments.

India vs SA was rather one sided so I wont talk.

For the BD match I wont agree that mushfiqs own run out was the game changer, to me game changer was the run out he missed. Look at the score card at that time, williamson was on 8 & taylor was on 4 in 11th over so a wicket at that that time could have exposed NZ middle & late middle order in front of BD spinners. In entire inning apart of taylor NZ batsmen were not comfortable ag BD spinners. If that runout chance had not been missed then 2 additional fielders in circle with shakib, mehdi & musaddiq, this could have been nightmare for NZ.
 
I think the turning point was Imam and Hafeez's departures. Both were getting well set and one of them had to go big. Once this partnership was broken- the collapse started.
 
Imams wicket came at the wrong time and played wrong shot he had to stay their longer another turning point was Wahab wicket if he stayed maybe pak would have a chance to win or get closer
 
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The failure to take review against New Zealand's Kane Williamson off Imran Tahir
 
CDG knock turned the game. Had he started slow and got out , NZ would have lost. Have to give it to Williamson for his captaincy and his excellent batting.
 
Undoubtedly. 243 is probably just about 15 short for 49 overs, which was well covered with those 4 wickets. Kane is the most important player in this Kiwi lineup.

Guess the difference between top and other batsmen

Babar Azam also got a reprieve versus India when Kohli did not review - but what did he do with that life?
 
Guess the difference between top and other batsmen

Babar Azam also got a reprieve versus India when Kohli did not review - but what did he do with that life?

This softie wasted it. He should have used the opportunity to play more aggressive cricket and up the run rate but instead he plays defensive against Vijay Trundler and sets himself up against the dreaded Indian spin duo of Chuldeep. But in the present day there are players like Kane Williamson who take full advantage of reprieves and near out experiences and then you have bottlers like Imam and Babar who end up eating samosa and stay up late before crucial games smoking and buying cheap prostitutes at the end instead of winning it for their country.
 
Guess the difference between top and other batsmen

Babar Azam also got a reprieve versus India when Kohli did not review - but what did he do with that life?

To win a tournament, every team needs some crucial moments to go in their favor - this WC, the way Kiwis are edging past these moments, won't be surprised if they end up winning it. Those howlers by Mushi, photo frame call of Neesham, today this one, game against IND being washed out; PAK/BD's game against SRL being washed out ..... they just need couple more lucky days in KOs.
 
To win a tournament, every team needs some crucial moments to go in their favor - this WC, the way Kiwis are edging past these moments, won't be surprised if they end up winning it. Those howlers by Mushi, photo frame call of Neesham, today this one, game against IND being washed out; PAK/BD's game against SRL being washed out ..... they just need couple more lucky days in KOs.
Yeah, howler by Mushy, frame runout missed for Neesham, ball just pitching outside leg against Santer, Ferguson digging out a yorker ball which goes for four instead of getting bowled.

Man how good has Saifuddin been this world cup? When was the last time we had a player who gives it all despite having limitations?
 
They didn’t even take the review how is it poor umpiring if Keeper didn’t push for review on a side note Kohli can learn something from KW

No need to review if umpire gives it a out in the first place. If it was a BD game all hell wouldve broke loose by now lol.
 
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