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UK considers sending asylum seekers to Rwanda — UK migrant policy thread

The Court of Appeal has ruled the first deportation flight taking asylum seekers to Rwanda can go ahead tomorrow.

Rights campaigners have argued that the government policy is inhumane and will put migrants at risk.

But officials have said the strategy will deter people from making dangerous Channel crossings from France in flimsy small boats run by smugglers.

The Home Office believes the removal plan is in the public interest and must not be stopped.

The latest legal challenge comes after the High Court ruled last week that the flight to Rwanda could go ahead.

The appeal court said it "cannot interfere" with the original decision.

Lord Justice Singh said "we consider that the judge produced a detailed and careful judgment which is all the more impressive in view of the time constraints under which he had to give it" in this "urgent and important case".

The Public and Commercial Services union (PCS), which represents around 80% of Border Force staff, had brought Monday's case, alongside charities Care4Calais and Detention Action.

SKY
 
The argument from some however is that asylum seekers are only keen to come to the UK to get their hands on the generous benefits system rather than actually wanting to escape persecution etc?
 
I have never felt so sickened and ashamed to be British as I have on this day of infamy.
 
I wonder what the public reaction would be if just 1 Ukrainian was sent to Rwanda.
 
Whites have been living there for over 200 years. They are natives now. If you think they need to leave Australia, then a lot of people have to vacate the countries they currently reside in.

I'm used of the racism from KingKhanWC, extremists always turn the conversation to something hundreds of years ago.
 
I have never felt so sickened and ashamed to be British as I have on this day of infamy.

Asylum seekers are not entitled for anything. UK has every right to do what suits its best interests. I see white guilt in your posts.
 
Church of England leaders have said the government's plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda is an "immoral policy that shames Britain" - with the first flight set to depart today.

The Archbishops of Canterbury and York - as well as 23 other bishops - have written a letter to The Times that claims no attempt has been made to "understand the predicament" of those affected.

After two legal challenges failed, a plane is scheduled to leave for the Rwandan capital of Kigali later, but it is unclear how many asylum seekers will be onboard.

Their letter says: "Whether or not the first deportation flight leaves Britain today for Rwanda, this policy should shame us as a nation.

"The shame is our own, because our Christian heritage should inspire us to treat asylum seekers with compassion, fairness and justice, as we have for centuries."

Religious leaders have called for "evil trafficking" to be combatted by the provision of safe routes for refugees trying to reach the UK, adding: "Deportations and the potential forced return of asylum seekers to their home countries are not the way."

SKY
 
This policy is a new level of brutal for the current UK Government.

Clearly there is an issue with Channel crossings and the chartering of unsafe boats which are packed with vulnerable asylum seekers, some of whom encounter harsh waters and unsettled weather & end up drowning.

We are seeing grown adults and small children trying to paddle and float their way from France to England in (at best) flimsy inflatable dinghies. These vessels can easily deflate for a number of reasons, and such an incident in the middle of deep seawater will usually be fatal.

Something needs to be done to help.
But this is not it.

A policy of decency and compassion should be formulated towards these migrants, not one of forced deportation and cruelty.
 
Lord justice singh doing a number on his own

Asylum seekers are not entitled for anything. UK has every right to do what suits its best interests. I see white guilt in your posts.

They're not and Muslim countries are guilty of being hypocrites; this is the very baseline of our faith!. But this is Easy Africa Oil Company stuff
 
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Whites have been living there for over 200 years. They are natives now. If you think they need to leave Australia, then a lot of people have to vacate the countries they currently reside in.

Whites should be allowed to stay in Australia, and so should other ethnic groups as well. There should be equality for all, especially in countries like Australia or the US where the original inhabitants have mostly been displaced or exterminated.
 
Whites should be allowed to stay in Australia, and so should other ethnic groups as well. There should be equality for all, especially in countries like Australia or the US where the original inhabitants have mostly been displaced or exterminated.

There should be equality in all countries. There is far more equality in Australia than most countries in the world. You have brainwashed extremists that think otherwise.
 
There should be equality in all countries. There is far more equality in Australia than most countries in the world. You have brainwashed extremists that think otherwise.

Yes there should be equality in all countries, but it is prosperity and advantage which puts countries in a position to implement these policies. Hopefully one day all countries will share the prosperity and safety of Australia and their first world partners.
 
This policy is a new level of brutal for the current UK Government.

Clearly there is an issue with Channel crossings and the chartering of unsafe boats which are packed with vulnerable asylum seekers, some of whom encounter harsh waters and unsettled weather & end up drowning.

We are seeing grown adults and small children trying to paddle and float their way from France to England in (at best) flimsy inflatable dinghies. These vessels can easily deflate for a number of reasons, and such an incident in the middle of deep seawater will usually be fatal.

Something needs to be done to help.
But this is not it.

A policy of decency and compassion should be formulated towards these migrants, not one of forced deportation and cruelty.

Why don't France do anything about this? Countless times the UK government has reached out to France to increase patrolling on their shores etc but the French do not give a damn.
 
I'm used of the racism from KingKhanWC, extremists always turn the conversation to something hundreds of years ago.

A supporter of the far right , edl & proud boys you have no credibility to call others extremists . 200 years isn’t much , illegal whites who invaded & cleansed the land of natives , should be forced do take in others who are suffering , a type of redemption.
 
Asylum seekers are not entitled for anything. UK has every right to do what suits its best interests. I see white guilt in your posts.

UK lost that right when it started bombing matins into democracy & freedom . It must now take in those peoples whose nations it destroyed & claimed it cared for so much .
 
Asylum seekers are not entitled for anything. UK has every right to do what suits its best interests. I see white guilt in your posts.

I suggest that you visit the optician.

Asylum seekers are entitled to a fair examination of their claims under the Geneva Convention on Refugees, which UK signed. That is how decent civilised countries behave. Johnson and Patel are turning UK into a rogue state.
 
A supporter of the far right , edl & proud boys you have no credibility to call others extremists . 200 years isn’t much , illegal whites who invaded & cleansed the land of natives , should be forced do take in others who are suffering , a type of redemption.

Actually I can't see much difference between edl, proud boys and you. You are just full of hate like them.
 
This policy is a new level of brutal for the current UK Government.

Clearly there is an issue with Channel crossings and the chartering of unsafe boats which are packed with vulnerable asylum seekers, some of whom encounter harsh waters and unsettled weather & end up drowning.

We are seeing grown adults and small children trying to paddle and float their way from France to England in (at best) flimsy inflatable dinghies. These vessels can easily deflate for a number of reasons, and such an incident in the middle of deep seawater will usually be fatal.

Something needs to be done to help.
But this is not it.

A policy of decency and compassion should be formulated towards these migrants, not one of forced deportation and cruelty.

I wonder what Patel intends to do with the 200+ refugees who came here fleeing persecution in Rwanda.

Send 'em back I suppose. We really would have a BNP government then.
 
Ask yourself, why is UK the preferred destination for Asylum Seekers? Cos the UK doesn't have a backbone and is soft with its welfare system

Why aren't refugees willing to settle in the EU? Cos EU is full of Nazis.

Lets face it, most refugees would prefer USA, it's just easier to sit in a dingy to UK shores.
 
A supporter of the far right , edl & proud boys you have no credibility to call others extremists . 200 years isn’t much , illegal whites who invaded & cleansed the land of natives , should be forced do take in others who are suffering , a type of redemption.

Bro. You only need to look at the discrimination towards Aboriginies in Australia. All the 200 years ago malarky excuses are just that, given today, in the here and now, Aussies are celebrating rights and achievements for Aborigines from Cricketers to politicians.

Of course this level of discrimination is endorsed by members of the 5 eyes. The UK liberals who moan on the UK refugee policy will happily proclaim the alligiance of the white dominated countries who have a record of racisim, discrimination, and war.
 
Ask yourself, why is UK the preferred destination for Asylum Seekers? Cos the UK doesn't have a backbone and is soft with its welfare system

Why aren't refugees willing to settle in the EU? Cos EU is full of Nazis.

Lets face it, most refugees would prefer USA, it's just easier to sit in a dingy to UK shores.

To be honest it's not that easy to sit in a dinghy to the UK shores, it appalls me that people will send their small children on these floating death traps. Why is it so bad where they live that they are willing to risk their lives on the seas to reach an unknown destination? People lived in those continents hundreds of years ago, it can't be that hard.
 
To be honest it's not that easy to sit in a dinghy to the UK shores, it appalls me that people will send their small children on these floating death traps. Why is it so bad where they live that they are willing to risk their lives on the seas to reach an unknown destination? People lived in those continents hundreds of years ago, it can't be that hard.

It’s easier to swim the English channel, backstroke.

It’s the UK welfare system that is appealing, for so long, a refugee would arrive at UK shores knowing they would not be sent back. 20 years ago, Pakistanis would arrive at Heathrow and claim they have no passport, ker-ching, now before boarding at Karachi/Lahore etc, photocopies of passports are sent to UKBF.

No more toying with UK law.

If liberals have a problem, go protest about Guantanamo Bay, or the Mexican/USA wall, etc, no, Amreeka are cousins and have a special relationship.

As I said, not a single liberal in this thread has ever housed a refugee.
 
Let me summate on what is wrong with the UK right now, liberalism.

These lot think this refugee policy is the worst of its kind when it comes to humanity, but it doesn’t stop said liberals from demanding Tony Blair face war crimes for the illegal war in Iraq which resulted in millions of innocent deaths.

Don’t believe the liberals! They are the worst hypocrites known to humanity.
 
It’s easier to swim the English channel, backstroke.

It’s the UK welfare system that is appealing, for so long, a refugee would arrive at UK shores knowing they would not be sent back. 20 years ago, Pakistanis would arrive at Heathrow and claim they have no passport, ker-ching, now before boarding at Karachi/Lahore etc, photocopies of passports are sent to UKBF.

No more toying with UK law.

If liberals have a problem, go protest about Guantanamo Bay, or the Mexican/USA wall, etc, no, Amreeka are cousins and have a special relationship.

As I said, not a single liberal in this thread has ever housed a refugee.

You can go off on one re liberals if you like, I don't like economic refugees either, but I'll bet many of these people can't swim, certainly the kids aren't going to swim the channel backstroke so these type of comments are just lazy.

I don't blame the UKBF for toughening up, as I said, it's those who are prepared to risk the lives of their families who appall me.
 
You can go off on one re liberals if you like, I don't like economic refugees either, but I'll bet many of these people can't swim, certainly the kids aren't going to swim the channel backstroke so these type of comments are just lazy.

I don't blame the UKBF for toughening up, as I said, it's those who are prepared to risk the lives of their families who appall me.

Then be proactive and tell me why France doesn’t prevent these refugees from risking their lives crossing the English channel in cheap dingys.
 
I suggest that you visit the optician.

Asylum seekers are entitled to a fair examination of their claims under the Geneva Convention on Refugees, which UK signed. That is how decent civilised countries behave. Johnson and Patel are turning UK into a rogue state.

Until the hearing is done on case by case basis, who will take care of the refugees? Who will pay for their expenses and where will they be kept?
Nothing is free in this world my friend.
 
So why should we? Because of the post WW stigma?

Well if you are reading my posts, you will see that I'm not saying we should. If people want to risk drowning there's not that much we can do about it, just a shame they are risking the lives of their kids who probably don't understand how dangerous the journey can be.

That said, we shouldn't really be involved in wars overseas which create refugee crisises either, otherwise we do then bear some responsibility.
 
Actually I can't see much difference between edl, proud boys and you. You are just full of hate like them.

I’m all for allowing people into my country from any background, you want to send them to an island hundreds of miles away . Ironic considering your history . Who has the hate ?
 
Well if you are reading my posts, you will see that I'm not saying we should. If people want to risk drowning there's not that much we can do about it, just a shame they are risking the lives of their kids who probably don't understand how dangerous the journey can be.

That said, we shouldn't really be involved in wars overseas which create refugee crisises either, otherwise we do then bear some responsibility.

Indeed.

Who exactly are risking their lives? There was no such thing as Syrian, Libyan, Iraqi, Afghani refugees pre Western intervention in said countries.

The bulk of refugees outside of war were from the subcontinent, almost every applicant on false pretence.

Once these pretenders were in, they'd disappear, sponge off the system, and in the end, the burden is on the tax payer.

I have not seen a single liberal denounce the motives of NATO, or the USA warmongering machine.
 
I’m all for allowing people into my country from any background, you want to send them to an island hundreds of miles away . Ironic considering your history . Who has the hate ?

I think it your shame of your own history that makes you fills you with hate.
 
Indeed.

Who exactly are risking their lives? There was no such thing as Syrian, Libyan, Iraqi, Afghani refugees pre Western intervention in said countries.

The bulk of refugees outside of war were from the subcontinent, almost every applicant on false pretence.

Once these pretenders were in, they'd disappear, sponge off the system, and in the end, the burden is on the tax payer.


I have not seen a single liberal denounce the motives of NATO, or the USA warmongering machine.

Sadly true - many Pakistanis became gay Ahmadis to get into the UK and then as soon as they got their permanent stay guess where they would go visit first? Pakistan!

Similarly for Indians/Iranians/Bangladeshis - just change the religion and sexual orientation to whatever was flavour of the month.

That is no longer happening ( as much) anymore.

Patels solution isn't the answer though.
 
Until the hearing is done on case by case basis, who will take care of the refugees? Who will pay for their expenses and where will they be kept?
Nothing is free in this world my friend.

True, so we build more immigration centres (these are like low-security prisons).

Deport the non-refugee young men who to live in a liberal state where they can have a drink and chase girls, and keep the families who are genuinely fleeing persecution.
 
UK couldn't deport Abu Hamza for years thanks to ECJ/EU, and here we are dreaming of deporting illegals.

We are talking back control of our borders, and a strong deterent message is the correct start.

No more welfare freebies, no more osmosis, no more playing on guilt, no more EU/ECJ intervention.

If you cannot swim, don't risk it. If you are chancing it, don't risk it. If you don't want to seek refuge in EU, I don't blame you, but don't risk it, otherwise prepare to pick up soap in Rwanda, cos Rwanda is the firewall that will filter the genuine from the fraudulent.
 
I think it your shame of your own history that makes you fills you with hate.

My history is great . My ancestors weren’t criminals shipped to a foreign land who then stole & murdered the natives & now whose offspring doesn’t feel allowing poor people to enter the same land they raped. You couldn’t make to this hypocrisy
 
Sadly true - many Pakistanis became gay Ahmadis to get into the UK and then as soon as they got their permanent stay guess where they would go visit first? Pakistan!

Similarly for Indians/Iranians/Bangladeshis - just change the religion and sexual orientation to whatever was flavour of the month.

That is no longer happening ( as much) anymore.

Patels solution isn't the answer though.

Patel’s solution is an abstract DMZ. If refugees are genuine, then they would be more than happy to be processed in Rwanda; small price to pay for a future in the UK.

What are the alternatives to Patel’s solution?
 
Patel’s solution is an abstract DMZ. If refugees are genuine, then they would be more than happy to be processed in Rwanda; small price to pay for a future in the UK.

What are the alternatives to Patel’s solution?

Send Patel to Rwanda would be my solution, and bulldoze her house so she can't return to England.
 
Not a solution, but retribution.

Lot of liberal noise in this thread, but no credible alternative to Patel’s solution.

If it was such a palatable solution the Tories would be able to roll it out with a white face at the helm instead of a brown lapdog. You and I both know why she's there, and if it wasn't her it would be Sajed Javid. Or Rishi Sunak. You understand how this works right?
 
If it was such a palatable solution the Tories would be able to roll it out with a white face at the helm instead of a brown lapdog. You and I both know why she's there, and if it wasn't her it would be Sajed Javid. Or Rishi Sunak. You understand how this works right?

I don’t see an alternative solution above.

Patel’s solution is the best deterrent right now.

You understand what an alternative is, right?
 
I don’t see an alternative solution above.

Patel’s solution is the best deterrent right now.

You understand what an alternative is, right?

It's about as much Patel's solution as it is Tommy Robinson's. And as I've already said, I don't actually have a problem with the solution, but that it has to be delivered by Mrs Patel, you must admit that is rather delightful. You and her both probably think this is some sort of arrival for the ethnic community in this country.
 
It's about as much Patel's solution as it is Tommy Robinson's. And as I've already said, I don't actually have a problem with the solution, but that it has to be delivered by Mrs Patel, you must admit that is rather delightful. You and her both probably think this is some sort of arrival for the ethnic community in this country.

Don't waste my time.

Come back with an alternative solution instead of liberal emotive rhetoric. I have asked you 3 times for an alternative, and you have failed.

I will not be trapped in your web of words. You can pretend you don't have a problem with Patel's solution, but clearly you do since you invoke the Tories, Patel, and Tommy as a defence mechanism mutliple times, and compare my delight with Patel - where's your delight if you don't have a problem with Patel's policy? See this is how easy it is to expose the lies and hypocrisy of liberals.

Admit it, you are just a jousting liberal, you will follow the herd, with tears, no solution, all attention seeking.
 
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An aircraft which is believed to be taking the first refugees from the UK to Rwanda flew from Germany to Wiltshire on Tuesday morning.

The Boeing 767, registration EC-LZO, is owned by Spanish airline Privilege Style and flew from Dusseldorf to the military base in Amesbury, Salisbury, ahead of its expected departure on Tuesday evening.

It landed at 9.52am under the flight number PVG689P, according to flight-tracking website FlightRadar, and has since been pictured at MoD Boscombe Down.

The aircraft is 27 years old and capable of carrying around 200 passengers.

Just seven people are due to be on board the flight after a number were removed following legal challenges and reviews by the Home Office – of those seven, lawyers representing three are seeking an order to prevent their removal to Rwanda.

Privilege Style has been criticised for its involvement in the Rwanda programme, which sparked a protest outside its Spanish headquarters in Mallorca on Tuesday.

The demonstration by British charity Freedom from Torture saw protesters chant “stop the flights” and unveil a banner which read: “Privilege Style: Stop tearing families apart.”

Torture survivor and charity ambassador Kolbassia Haoussou said: “In the last week alone, people in the UK have made hundreds of calls and sent over 30,000 letters to airlines suspected of involvement in the UK Government’s cruel Rwanda scheme.

“Privilege Style thought they could ignore us, so we travelled to their headquarters in Mallorca to give them the message directly.

“Across the UK, everyone from people protesting in the streets to the heir to throne have spoken out against this neocolonial ‘cash for humans’ policy.”

The PA news agency has contacted Privilege Style for comment.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...pc=U531&cvid=670a1d70b8c24a74ab41b08b6c2748ca
 
An aircraft which is believed to be taking the first refugees from the UK to Rwanda flew from Germany to Wiltshire on Tuesday morning.

The Boeing 767, registration EC-LZO, is owned by Spanish airline Privilege Style and flew from Dusseldorf to the military base in Amesbury, Salisbury, ahead of its expected departure on Tuesday evening.

It landed at 9.52am under the flight number PVG689P, according to flight-tracking website FlightRadar, and has since been pictured at MoD Boscombe Down.

The aircraft is 27 years old and capable of carrying around 200 passengers.

Just seven people are due to be on board the flight after a number were removed following legal challenges and reviews by the Home Office – of those seven, lawyers representing three are seeking an order to prevent their removal to Rwanda.

Privilege Style has been criticised for its involvement in the Rwanda programme, which sparked a protest outside its Spanish headquarters in Mallorca on Tuesday.

The demonstration by British charity Freedom from Torture saw protesters chant “stop the flights” and unveil a banner which read: “Privilege Style: Stop tearing families apart.”

Torture survivor and charity ambassador Kolbassia Haoussou said: “In the last week alone, people in the UK have made hundreds of calls and sent over 30,000 letters to airlines suspected of involvement in the UK Government’s cruel Rwanda scheme.

“Privilege Style thought they could ignore us, so we travelled to their headquarters in Mallorca to give them the message directly.

“Across the UK, everyone from people protesting in the streets to the heir to throne have spoken out against this neocolonial ‘cash for humans’ policy.”

The PA news agency has contacted Privilege Style for comment.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...pc=U531&cvid=670a1d70b8c24a74ab41b08b6c2748ca

Aircraft should be a Boeing 747-800 Class C configuration, flanked by Airbus A380s.
 
Don't waste my time.

Come back with an alternative solution instead of liberal emotive rhetoric. I have asked you 3 times for an alternative, and you have failed.

I will not be trapped in your web of words. You can pretend you don't have a problem with Patel's solution, but clearly you do since you invoke the Tories, Patel, and Tommy as a defence mechanism mutliple times, and compare my delight with Patel - where's your delight if you don't have a problem with Patel's policy? See this is how easy it is to expose the lies and hypocrisy of liberals.

Admit it, you are just a jousting liberal, you will follow the herd, with tears, no solution, all attention seeking.

Do you just like throwing the word liberal around verbatim? Can you actually connect it to anything I said? I mean I don't think it would be that hard for me to connect you with Priti since you already did it for me.
 
<b>Rwanda asylum plan: Last-minute legal battle over flight</b>

A last-minute legal battle is under way over the UK government's first flight transporting asylum seekers to Rwanda.

The European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) says it has blocked the removal of one of seven passengers due to depart on Tuesday night.

An out-of-hours judge is currently examining the remaining half dozen cases and it is not clear whether the court will block the entire flight.

The UK usually follows emergency court rulings not to remove people.

In a statement hours before the flight's planned departure, the ECtHR said it had granted an "urgent interim measure" in the case of an Iraqi man, known only as "KN".

The man, who is in his fifties, left Iraq earlier this year and crossed the English Channel to reach the UK, rather than claiming asylum in another European country.

Doctors have since said he may have been a victim of torture.

KN's lawyers petitioned the ECtHR on Monday after a judge in London refused to stop his inclusion on the flight.

The European court has indicated KN should not be removed to Rwanda until three weeks after the final decision over the policy is made in the UK courts.

The ECtHR said that requests such as these were only granted on an "exceptional basis, when the applicants would otherwise face a real risk of irreversible harm".

That decision contradicts a ruling by judges in London, who had found no immediate risk to anyone sent to Rwanda.

A High Court judge ruled last Friday that there should be a full review of the Rwanda removals policy - but that the Home Secretary Priti Patel would be acting lawfully if in the meantime she sent some asylum seekers to Rwanda.

Should the policy be found to be unlawful some people could be returned to the UK from Rwanda.

The ECtHR, based in Strasbourg, said that its decision had been influenced by concerns raised by the UN's refugee agency that asylum seekers sent to Rwanda may not be able to get a fair hearing or would be left in unsafe conditions.

The European Court of Human Rights oversees a range of human rights laws to which the UK is a signatory, along with other nations.

It is entirely separate to the European Union.

On Monday the UK highest court, the Court of Appeal, ruled that the first flight taking asylum seekers to Rwanda could go ahead, backing the decision of the High Court that it was in the "public interest" for the government to carry out its policies.

Earlier on Tuesday, four of the men due to be on the flight saw individual appeals to the High Court rejected.

Foreign Secretary Liz Truss insisted the flight would take off on Tuesday, but later a Downing Street spokesman said given the legal challenges he could not be definitive of whether the flight would take place that day.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson also defended the scheme and said the government may "very well" need to change the law to help.

The policy has been criticised by human rights organisations, charities and the Church of England, with concerns being raised about Rwanda's human rights record.

But ahead of the first plane's arrival, Rwanda's government spokesperson Yolande Makolo said the plan was neither immoral nor a punishment and needed to be given a chance as Africa was not just a place of problems but also "a place of solutions".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61806048
 
<b>Rwanda asylum plan: Last-minute legal battle over flight</b>

A last-minute legal battle is under way over the UK government's first flight transporting asylum seekers to Rwanda.

The European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) says it has blocked the removal of one of seven passengers due to depart on Tuesday night.

An out-of-hours judge is currently examining the remaining half dozen cases and it is not clear whether the court will block the entire flight.

The UK usually follows emergency court rulings not to remove people.

In a statement hours before the flight's planned departure, the ECtHR said it had granted an "urgent interim measure" in the case of an Iraqi man, known only as "KN".

The man, who is in his fifties, left Iraq earlier this year and crossed the English Channel to reach the UK, rather than claiming asylum in another European country.

Doctors have since said he may have been a victim of torture.

KN's lawyers petitioned the ECtHR on Monday after a judge in London refused to stop his inclusion on the flight.

The European court has indicated KN should not be removed to Rwanda until three weeks after the final decision over the policy is made in the UK courts.

The ECtHR said that requests such as these were only granted on an "exceptional basis, when the applicants would otherwise face a real risk of irreversible harm".

That decision contradicts a ruling by judges in London, who had found no immediate risk to anyone sent to Rwanda.

A High Court judge ruled last Friday that there should be a full review of the Rwanda removals policy - but that the Home Secretary Priti Patel would be acting lawfully if in the meantime she sent some asylum seekers to Rwanda.

Should the policy be found to be unlawful some people could be returned to the UK from Rwanda.

The ECtHR, based in Strasbourg, said that its decision had been influenced by concerns raised by the UN's refugee agency that asylum seekers sent to Rwanda may not be able to get a fair hearing or would be left in unsafe conditions.

The European Court of Human Rights oversees a range of human rights laws to which the UK is a signatory, along with other nations.

It is entirely separate to the European Union.

On Monday the UK highest court, the Court of Appeal, ruled that the first flight taking asylum seekers to Rwanda could go ahead, backing the decision of the High Court that it was in the "public interest" for the government to carry out its policies.

Earlier on Tuesday, four of the men due to be on the flight saw individual appeals to the High Court rejected.

Foreign Secretary Liz Truss insisted the flight would take off on Tuesday, but later a Downing Street spokesman said given the legal challenges he could not be definitive of whether the flight would take place that day.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson also defended the scheme and said the government may "very well" need to change the law to help.

The policy has been criticised by human rights organisations, charities and the Church of England, with concerns being raised about Rwanda's human rights record.

But ahead of the first plane's arrival, Rwanda's government spokesperson Yolande Makolo said the plan was neither immoral nor a punishment and needed to be given a chance as Africa was not just a place of problems but also "a place of solutions".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61806048

This just adds fuel to the fire. Send the dark people to the dark countries to be sorted out. Put a dark minister in charge of doing it and pay them for it. None of this is wrong in and of itself, but you would have to be pretty myopic to miss the connections. Unfotunate timing as we are welcoming white Ukranians to the country on a govt sponsored deal.
 
It would be interesting to have a referendum on acceptance of Ukranian refugees and migrants from darker skinned countries.

Lets see how far right of centre the country has become.
 
My history is great . My ancestors weren’t criminals shipped to a foreign land who then stole & murdered the natives & now whose offspring doesn’t feel allowing poor people to enter the same land they raped. You couldn’t make to this hypocrisy

So thats two of us that had ancestors that weren't criminals shipped to a foreign land who then stole & murdered the natives & now whose offspring doesn’t feel allowing poor people to enter the same land they raped.

Still doesn't explain your racism towards white people, maybe your ancestors are extremists too.
 
The first deportation flight due to take asylum seekers to Rwanda has been cancelled following a series of last-minute legal appeals, the Home Office has confirmed.

A source said the plane, which was stood ready on a Ministry of Defence runway at Boscombe Down in Amesbury, would not be departing due to "last-minute interventions from the European Court of Human Rights".

Home Secretary Priti Patel said the government "will not be deterred from doing the right thing and delivering our plans to control our nation's borders" despite the first flight to Rwanda being stopped.

She also warned that "many of those removed from the flight will be placed on the next" - adding she was "disappointed" that a legal challenge meant it could not depart.

Ms Patel said: "It is very surprising that the European Court of Human Rights has intervened despite repeated earlier success in our domestic courts.

"These repeated legal barriers are similar to those we experience with other removals flights and many of those removed from this flight will be placed on the next.

"We will not be deterred from doing the right thing and delivering our plans to control our nation's borders. Our legal team are reviewing every decision made on this flight and preparation for the next flight begins now."

On Tuesday evening, it was confirmed that two individuals due to be sent to the east African country had had their exit from the UK postponed following last-ditch efforts by lawyers.

It was understood the European Court, which granted an urgent interim measure blocking the removal of one Iraqi detainee, was considering a number of further requests.

A total of seven individuals were believed to have been due to board the flight before the successful interventions were made.

Challenges by four asylum seekers due to be on the plane were earlier rejected.

A fifth man lost a bid to bring an appeal at the Supreme Court after a panel of three justices refused him permission to challenge the Court of Appeal's ruling that the flight to Rwanda could go ahead.

This rejected an appeal by two refugee charities and the Public and Commercial Services union.

Giving brief reasons for the decision, the court's president, Lord Reed, said there had been an "assurance" that, if the government's policy of removing asylum seekers to Rwanda is found to be unlawful, steps would be taken to bring back any migrants flown to the east African nation in the interim.

The plan to send individuals to Rwanda has been contested in the courts and condemned by the Church of England's senior bishops as "an immoral policy".

But Prime Minister Boris Johnson has maintained that the policy's aim is "to support safe and legal routes for people to come to the UK and to oppose the illegal and dangerous routes".

The PM told broadcasters on Tuesday that the programme "may take a while to get working properly, but that doesn't mean we're not going to keep going".

Asked if it would be necessary to pull out of the European Convention of Human Rights to restrict legal challenges, Mr Johnson added: "Will it be necessary to change some laws to help us as we go along? It may very well be and all these options are under constant review."

Stop Deportations protesters had earlier taken direct action to resist the first deportation flight, locking themselves together with metal pipes and blockading exits of Colnbrook Immigration Removal Centre at Heathrow.

This is where the remaining people that the Home Office intended to put on the plane were believed to be held.

The PA news agency has reported that it is understood there is currently no route for the Home Office to appeal against the decision.

Responding to the flight being halted, Refugee Council chief executive Enver Solomon said: "The fact that the final flight could not take off is indicative of the inhumanity of the plan and the government's complete refusal to see the face behind the case.

"Those threatened with removal are people who have escaped war, persecution, torture, and violence - many of whom have only been prevented from flying due to individual legal interventions declaring it a clear breach of their human rights to do so."

Mr Solomon continued: "The government must immediately rethink by having a grown-up conversation with France and the EU about sharing responsibility and look to operating an orderly, humane, and fair asylum system."

Mark Serwotka, general secretary of the PCS union, added: "We're pleased the courts have ruled to stop this flight.

"It's time for the government to stop this inhumane policy which is the basest of gesture politics and start to engage seriously with sorting out the asylum system so those who come to our country seeking refuge are treated fairly and according to the law."

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan tweeted: "Sending people fleeing violence to a country thousands of miles away was already cruel and callous. It's now potentially unlawful too."

The four potential deportees who lost High Court bids earlier to avoid being put on the plane include:

• An Iraqi Kurd who had suffered PTSD in Turkey while travelling to the UK and had brought a claim asking not to be removed due to his mental health and his relationship with his sister, who lives in the UK
• A Vietnamese man who claimed to have received death threats from loan sharks in Vietnam who was also denied after the judge rejected an argument that he was denied translation services
• A man who travelled to the UK from Iran with his 21-year-old son and had asked the court to prevent his removal due to his mental health and a right to a family life
• An application by a Kurdish man who was also refused permission to appeal.

A failed High Court and Court of Appeal legal challenge brought by groups including Care4Calais to the first flight under the Rwanda scheme put the cost of the deportation at £500,000.

The government has rejected this figure, but it is believed the cost of the flight would have been hundreds of thousands of pounds.

Downing Street said the current approach costs the UK taxpayer £1.5bn every year already, with almost £5m a day spent accommodating asylum seekers in hotels.

Last year, more than 28,000 people crossed the Channel in small boats - more than three times the number seen in 2020.

More than half were either Iranian or Iraqi, with people from Eritrea and Syria also making crossings, according to Home Office figures.

https://news.sky.com/story/first-de...e-legal-appeals-home-office-confirms-12634130
 
Dark days ahead!

Once again ECHR is interfering with UK politics.

ECHR have no problem in putting France to task because of their complete failure in preventing loss of refugee lives, but no, when UK does something about it, EHCR come to the party.

This is the same kangaroo court that forbid the UK government from deporting terrorists, including Abu Hamza, but FAILED to protect Assange!

Meanwhile, Greek [EU] armed forces kill Afghan refugee at Turkish-Greek border!

https://www.dailysabah.com/politics...-killed-by-greek-forces-at-border-turkey-says
 
This plan is no deterrent. People will still seek asylum here. Including people fleeing Rwanda.

It’s vastly expensive.

So it fails on grounds of pragmatism, even before you start thinking about the moral aspect.

Then there is the reputational damage to the UK for breaking the Geneva Convention. On top of breaking the NIP. Nobody is going to give us a trade deal now. We are no longer trustworthy.

Patel and her authoritarian ilk say “Come up with a better solution” to this illegal and evil policy. It’s up to them to do better because they are the government. But they won’t, because the policy is designed on purpose to throw red meat to their send-‘em-back supporters.

All you brown chaps on this thread - this is the top of a slippery slope that leads to total evil. You know what is at the bottom.

Resist. Write to your MP. Join the progressive party of your choice. And for goodness sake - I mean that literally - do not ever vote Conservative until they get a moral leader again.
 
We should stop calling them asylum seekers. They are the equivalent of day trippers from France wanting to overstay and sponge the system.

This has nothing to do with colour of skin at all; but everything to do with citizens of nations that were bombed and destroyed by the West.

On top of this the ECHR would do better insisting that the EU enforced its own asylum laws. The Dublin Convention states that asylum should be claimed in the first country asylum seekers arrive in, not cherry pick where they wish to live!
 
We should stop calling them asylum seekers. They are the equivalent of day trippers from France wanting to overstay and sponge the system.

This has nothing to do with colour of skin at all; but everything to do with citizens of nations that were bombed and destroyed by the West.

On top of this the ECHR would do better insisting that the EU enforced its own asylum laws. The Dublin Convention states that asylum should be claimed in the first country asylum seekers arrive in, not cherry pick where they wish to live!

Do you say anything that isn't a copy and paste job from some right wing rag?

Let me get this straight.

After you voted leave, which pulled us out of the Dublin Regs and access to Eurodac, you want other countries to detain people and enforce an asylum decision, while the UK is doing the complete opposite, not fulfilling their obligations, and passing the buck?

Where do the Dublin Regs talk about a sovereign nation's immigration enforcement policy? How does ECHR put a claim in against "Europe", when each nation has differing policies?

Have you even ever looked at the numbers of asylum cases that fell under Dublin in Europe compared to the UK? The removal figures and how many people actually stayed in Europe?

You literally have no clue.
 
Do you say anything that isn't a copy and paste job from some right wing rag?

Let me get this straight.

After you voted leave, which pulled us out of the Dublin Regs and access to Eurodac, you want other countries to detain people and enforce an asylum decision, while the UK is doing the complete opposite, not fulfilling their obligations, and passing the buck?

Where do the Dublin Regs talk about a sovereign nation's immigration enforcement policy? How does ECHR put a claim in against "Europe", when each nation has differing policies?

Have you even ever looked at the numbers of asylum cases that fell under Dublin in Europe compared to the UK? The removal figures and how many people actually stayed in Europe?

You literally have no clue.

Take a deep breath.

I know exactly what I am talking about, you, on the other hand do not. Learned something new today about Dublin regs did you? Have to re-write your liberal argument?

If you know about the Dublin regs before, why not speak up? Simply because it is YOU who follows the MSM, as a liberal.

Now on to you this:

Where do the Dublin Regs talk about a sovereign nation's immigration enforcement policy?

Can you read English? Dublin regs are not about immigration policy, or sovereignty; but about the protocol Asylum Seekers must follow. Asylum Seekers must claim asylum in the first country they enter. FACT. The majority of Asylum Seekers arriving on a rubber dingy hit the Mediterranean first. FACT. Why do Asylum Seekers not seek asylum in the Mediterranean EU nations? No Welfare or opportunity to sponge. Plus the corrupt EU/ECJ want UK to suffer, want to make an example of the UK because the UK voted to leave, so they will turn a blind eye to protocol and law.

Asylum Seekers and Immigration are two completely separate verticals of law. One is legal, the other is illegal.

I do not want to be controlled by ECJ/ECHR. Dublin regs prove the hypocrisy of EU! Hence the ECHR puts a claim against UK, NOT the EU!

I voted Leave for many reasons, one of them was to take back control of UK borders form the pesky fraudulent day trippers seeking to sponge off my hard taxes, both from war torn countries, and the subcontinent.

I do not care about Asylum Seeker numbers, I imagine you may be one of them, but I do not care about the numbers, but do care about is the CAUSE! The majority of Asylum Seekers are the result of Western Wars, or subcontinent Asians blagging a welfare life cos they are lazy to earn an honest crust.

You have no idea what you are talking about (unless the MSM feeds you), but happy you are learning in this thread, and if you really care about Asylum Seekers, go open your front door and welcome them in. I dare you.

:)
 
Liberalism only cares about the MSM narrative.


Liberals : Oh the Rwanda policy is inhumane, immoral, disgusting!

Asylum Seekers shot DEAD by Greek forces, members of the EU, when Asylum Seekers reach the Mediterranean.

Liberals : Pin drop silence. We only care about UK's policy, cos that's what being reported in the MSM news.



Liberalism in a nutshell : hypocritical, delusional, and subservient to MSM - The worst thing that has happened to society since Nazism!

If Liberals really cared about the welfare of Asylum Seekers, then why not put the EU to task over the fatal shooting of Asylum seekers trying to reach the shores of the Mediterranean? Not breaking news? Oh diddums.

Makes the Rwanda flight look like a summer picnic compared to being shot dead by armed forces of the EU!
 
BREAKING: Rwanda migrant policy has not been ruled unlawful, says Priti Patel after court halts flight

Priti Patel has said the government's Rwanda migrant policy has not been ruled unlawful after a last-minute intervention by a European court blocked the first deportation flight.

The home secretary told MPs that the injunctions were not an "absolute bar" on the removal of the asylum seekers due to have been on the flight - and that they would be tagged while efforts to do so continue.

She insisted that the Home Office would press on with the policy - which has been described as shameful by Church of England and is reported to be regarded as "appalling" by the Prince of Wales - despite legal challenges.

The Home Secretary accused "the usual suspects" backed by Labour of setting out to "thwart and even campaign against" the government's efforts and "the will of the British people".

She added that "mobs" would not be allowed to block removals - an apparent reference to protesters who recently tried to hinder immigration officials from taking a man away in south London a few days ago.

A plane was waiting on a Ministry of Defence runway on Tuesday night to take migrants to Rwanda when the European Court of Human Rights issued last-minute injunctions to stop the deportation of the those onboard.

English judges in the Court of Appeal had ruled on Monday that the flight could go ahead after a legal challenge by campaigners, who say the government's plan to send some migrants to the east African country is inhumane.

Ms Patel said the ECHR "did not rule that the policy or relocations were unlawful but they prohibited the removal of three of those on last night's flight".

"Those prohibitions last for different time periods but are not an absolute bar on their transfer to Rwanda," she said.

Read more: https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-m...priti-patel-after-court-halts-flight-12634385
 
Priti Patel owned.

Does she not have anything better to do with her time or is happy to be a worthless bum with too much time which is only used to sponge of taxpayer money like the rest of her brethren of origin.

She's doing a great job for white people to be fair, this sort of thing comes across much better if it's a brown person doing Mr White's job for them. Trevor Phillips does the same as a journalist in The Times.
 
It’s a fair point that UK should take refugees from places it played a part in destabilising - Iraq, the ISIL-occupied part of Syria, Libya.
 
She's doing a great job for white people to be fair,

Oh no she isn’t. This white person detests her. She’s a hard right authoritarian with no empathy for the suffering of others, and has been promoted far above her competency level.
 
Oh no she isn’t. This white person detests her. She’s a hard right authoritarian with no empathy for the suffering of others, and has been promoted far above her competency level.

The white folk who are easily appealed by the likes of Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage love the likes of her and Rishi Sunak though.

I’d like to think there are more white folk who are against the far right and the policies which appeal to them but I believe it’s about 50/50 in the current climate, the split is reflected by the EU referendum.
 
UK government has been lacking a backbone since the premiership of Thatcher years! No coincidence UK was thrusted into soft power once joining the EU!

For the past 25 years or so, the world, more so Europe/EU, has been taking advantage of a soft UK.

From Major, to Blair, to Tory/LD coalition, right up to Theresa May.

It's a pity that liberals view everything in terms of skin colour; white vs. brown/black, etc. They simply cannot stomach the idea of a Brown/Black supporting a White, or vice, versa, veesa - god forbid!

The PM represents the nation, whether you voted for the PM or not, the HS represents the nation's best interests, but no, only liberals want this to be a race war, this is perhaps because liberalism is inherently a racist ideology.
 
She's doing a great job for white people to be fair, this sort of thing comes across much better if it's a brown person doing Mr White's job for them. Trevor Phillips does the same as a journalist in The Times.

That’s unfortunately true.. but I’m sure she is enjoying it as well, can’t believe people are defending her on this forum.
 
More clarification.

The Dublin Regulation does not state that the first country to receive an asylum seeker should deal with them. That stems from the Geneva Refugee Convention. Among EU states it would massively overburden Hungary, Italy and France. So to deal with the refugee crisis of the last ten years, the Dublin rules organise which EU member states or EFTA states will take which refugees and in what numbers.

Its is Tory-MSM nonsense that all of them come to UK. We take comparatively few. Germany really stepped up, taking a million. Plenty went to Scandinavia. A big factor is which European language a refugee might speak. Of late the Poles have taken a million Ukrainians.

Of course since we left, we cannot benefit from the Dublin Regulation, nor the EU fingerprint database for asylum seekers. And we are still taking plenty, so that’s another Brexit fail.
 
The white folk who are easily appealed by the likes of Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage love the likes of her and Rishi Sunak though.

I’d like to think there are more white folk who are against the far right and the policies which appeal to them but I believe it’s about 50/50 in the current climate, the split is reflected by the EU referendum.

The dislike for EU (union) is even among Liberal socialists of many nations -Spain etc.. but because it was hijacked by the supremacists it seems the Brexit is like a far right opinion.
 
Forgot to mention, the irony is that Liberals cry for a balanced representation in Parliament, not just whites, but MPs of all races, colours, and creed; however have a problem when races support other races; just like opposing democracy when the result doesn't go their way.

The result of MSM conditioning; the inability to think for yourselves.
 
The white folk who are easily appealed by the likes of Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage love the likes of her and Rishi Sunak though.

I’d like to think there are more white folk who are against the far right and the policies which appeal to them but I believe it’s about 50/50 in the current climate, the split is reflected by the EU referendum.

Of course, she is there to placate the white racist send-em-back brigade.
 
The dislike for EU (union) is even among Liberal socialists of many nations -Spain etc.. but because it was hijacked by the supremacists it seems the Brexit is like a far right opinion.

To me, “Liberal socialists” is an oxymoron. They are separate political traditions. I never met a Brexiteer liberal, and I have met a great many liberals.

Some socialists wanted Brexit because they think that EU is a capitalist club.
 
The dislike for EU (union) is even among Liberal socialists of many nations -Spain etc.. but because it was hijacked by the supremacists it seems the Brexit is like a far right opinion.

Excellent point! Citizens of France, Spain, Greece, oppose the EU! They've had their vote to leave the EU but their pro-EU governments failed to implement their decision!

Heck, even Norway and Switzerland oppose the EU which is why they have special deals!

But no, only UK is perceived as a racist nation because we are the first nation to implement the result of true democracy - one man one vote!

UK should be proud!
 
I don’t identify with Liberals but an unemployed benefit scrounger like you spends his time mostly talking about them :yk3

As for racism, you’ve made many racist mosts about black people which got deleted by mods.

You say that I am racist but have an issue if I criticise asian people, looks like you have lost the plot :yk

The people who support gave a platform to Modi who you also criticise; clearly you have a severe identity crisis.

Nonce.

Wow, the level of liberal education/desperation is on display here.

Comparing BJP, a Right-Wing Religious ideology with the Tories/Labour!

Education has always been the silver bullet, this guy makes Tommy Robinson look like a Noble Prize winner!

:)))
 
To me, “Liberal socialists” is an oxymoron. They are separate political traditions. I never met a Brexiteer liberal, and I have met a great many liberals.

Some socialists wanted Brexit because they think that EU is a capitalist club.

Actually there are many although I meant it with a “,” ..
Irrespective many blue collar workers and teachers who are “Liberal” and I have personally met in States that came from Spain dislike EU.. they feel they are made to pay, I assumed it’s a far right thing as well before I met people and started reading on it.

There is a lot disillusion among workers from Spain etc but anytime they oppose EU the media somewhat brands them racists.

I found similar issues with US media on supporters of Trump who were disenfranchised but not supremacist or racist.
 
Technics is clearly an Indian origin Hindu who supports the BJP party and is a big fan of the likes of Priti Patel and Rishi Sunak who also gave Modi a platform in the UK. Technics is a supporter of Priti Patel and Rishi Sunak for their tax evasion tactics and is a fan of sponging of the public money.

Technics on the other hand claims to be a Muslim Pakistani with an elite education (highly doubtful) who dislikes the BJP despite his support for far right rhetoric and anti-muslim activists.

:yk3
 
All you have to do to realise what a useless ideology such as Liberalism is, is to look at the responses in this thread.

Liberals offer no alternative solutions. Despite multiple governments over the past 30 years offering multiple proposals to combat illegal immigrants and Asylum Seekers; liberals are just keen to complain because this is all they can do as this behaviour keeps them relevant in the social and political sphere.

Liberals oppose and criticise the support among multiple races, of singular races, but have the gall to promote unity! Such a racist ideology where Liberalism expects a white must support a white, a brown must support a brown, a black must support a black.

Liberals fail to realise that every accusation hurled towards the UK government also applies to their beloved and sacred institution that is the EU, but will remain silent when EU's hypocrisy and ignorance is exposed.

Liberals fail to address the fact the asylum seekers are being shot dead by armed forces of EU nations, but no, same lot have a problem with a flight to Rwanda, where Asylum Seeker are actually ALIVE!

I said it before and I will say it again, you do not know where you stand with Liberals, because their own beliefs are not consistent with their free thought, but are indeed consistent with MSM! Liberalism is indeed, imprisonment of free thought, which is why most Liberals do not believe in free will.
 
The EU referendum was a near 50/50 spilt!

Pity for some, such a split leads to confusion; Liberalism included.

Loving the time spent by liberals in responding to me. I have certainly hit a nerve.

:)
 
Oh no she isn’t. This white person detests her. She’s a hard right authoritarian with no empathy for the suffering of others, and has been promoted far above her competency level.

I can appreciate that, this country has some really fine white people, I caught some of them trying to take on Priti in the Commons, but the Tories aren't stupid. They are aiming to catch the popular vote, and the best way of doing that is by sticking a brown face up there to preach the send 'em to black land message. It's the same reasoning as appointing a woman barrister to defend a rapist. I actually do agree that there are plenty of economic immigrants who should be stopped, but

a) I don't think it should be to Africa

b) They need to stop using Uncle Toms/Patels to do their dirty work

No one is that stupid they can't see through it other than the ones who think it's their birthright to remain slaves.
 
It is the HOME SECRETARY that makes these national decisions irrespective of gender, race, or colour.

No one else can be accused of any 'dirty work', not even David Blunkett, Labour HS who had to resign following publicity about his personal life and corrupt ways; this is the Labour HS.

Change the MSM channel Liberals, or do your homework.
 
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