UK General Election. Don't be surprised if Theresa May's gamble fails

[shaz619]

Perhaps he was tired. But under pressure from some informed chick on the radio he fell to bits. Bodes ill, if there is a national emergency to deal with and lives are on the line.

Sad to see the personal attacks on the interviewer here, from the usual cheering section. Don't consider the message, shoot the messenger. Corbyn is a British Trump, good in front of an friendly audience, making emotional arguments, but lacking in substance.

And inspiring the same type of unreason in their supporters.

You can talk, you support a party who wanted to destroy the future of youngsters in this country after leading them on with LIES. That's beyond pathetic and in line with the old yeller rhetoric which forces people to drop their support for Labour based on superficial reasons. You are the problem, I hate these old people who are ruining our country and I do not mean any disrespect to Big Mac and do not consider him among those fools.

 

[Big Mac]

You can talk, you support a party who wanted to destroy the future of youngsters in this country after leading them on with LIES. That's beyond pathetic and in line with the old yeller rhetoric which forces people to drop their support for Labour based on superficial reasons. You are the problem, I hate these old people who are ruining our country and I do not mean any disrespect to Big Mac and do not consider him among those fools.

Get your youngsta beauties to the polling stations then:

 

[shaz619]

Get your youngsta beauties to the polling stations then:

Definitely! Or more people like Robert will burn this country to the ground

 

[shaz619]

The issue of student financing had been considered one of the flagship policies of the Liberal Democrats with all of the party's MPs, including Nick Clegg, signing the Vote for Students pledge to oppose any increase in student tuition fees prior to the 2010 general election.

As part of the coalition agreement the Lib Dems abandoned their pledge to oppose any increase in tuition fees

 

[shortbread]

The issue of student financing had been considered one of the flagship policies of the Liberal Democrats with all of the party's MPs, including Nick Clegg, signing the Vote for Students pledge to oppose any increase in student tuition fees prior to the 2010 general election.

As part of the coalition agreement the Lib Dems abandoned their pledge to oppose any increase in tuition fees

Vince Cable was very honest about this in last week's Question Time. They were gullible to put this in their manifesto and then realized in Govt. the country couldn't afford it.

SNP now carry the same strategy and are simply funding this at the cost of school education.

UK cannot afford this and Labour are simply lying to the public in desperation.

 

[s28]

Am enjoying reading Craig Murray's take on events recently,believe he is a SNP supporter and previously was Lib Dem. Here's his latest missive about this Emma Barnett character, is it below the belt?
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/05/the-sins-of-the-father/

Quite astonishing revelations in that article

So she not only has despicable views in support of fascist Zionist ideology but she seem's to have benefitted from the exploitation of women slaves and participated in an email exchange with her father where they were referred to as 'whores'

 

[shaz619]

#AllEyezOnCorbyn #Britain'sMostWanted

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION]

Dive... [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

 

[shaz619]

Vince Cable was very honest about this in last week's Question Time. They were gullible to put this in their manifesto and then realized in Govt. the country couldn't afford it.

SNP now carry the same strategy and are simply funding this at the cost of school education.

UK cannot afford this and Labour are simply lying to the public in desperation.

Do I give a damn about that?

Again:

As part of the coalition agreement the Lib Dems abandoned their pledge to oppose any increase in tuition fees

 

[shaz619]

Do NOT VOTE FOR THE LIB DEMS OR TORY, IT IS BEYOND THE EQUIVALENT OF SUPPORTING DONALD TRUMP OR HITLER

 

[s28]

The nerve of Dimbleby to come out with this!

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/david-dimbleby-jeremy-corbyn_uk_592d3cabe4b0065b20b807ae

David Dimbleby Says Jeremy Corbyn Unfairly Treated By Press

‘The nerve of the man!’

30/05/2017 11:15 | Updated 1 hour ago

Chris York
Senior Editor, HuffPost UK

David Dimbleby has said the right-wing bias and “lazy pessimism” of the British press has led to Jeremy Corbyn being treated unfairly in the run up to the General Election.

The 78-year-old Question Time host, and stalwart of the BBC’s election night coverage, also suggested the Labour leader had much more support amongst the public than from his own MPs.

Speaking to the Radio Times, he said: “I don’t think anyone could say that Corbyn has had a fair deal at the hands of the press, in a way that the Labour party did when it was more to the centre, but then we generally have a rightwing press.

 

[shortbread]

Do I give a damn about that?

You should, where exactly will the money come from?!

Taxing 50% for income earners above £80k is not a solution as it only covers an additional smaller group, 150k + earners are already taxed at 50%. I am all for a tax hike for the richest but that will not cover all the additional Labour promises.

Corporation tax increase is the last thing the country wants when exiting the UK as one is trying to make itself more attractive to investors!

Its nice to live in a lala land where everything is paid by the country.

Again:
As part of the coalition agreement the Lib Dems abandoned their pledge to oppose any increase in tuition fees

The lib dems paid the price for that, the cribs of democracy!

 

[shaz619]

You should, where exactly will the money come from?!

Taxing 50% for income earners above £80k is not a solution as it only covers an additional smaller group, 150k + earners are already taxed at 50%. I am all for a tax hike for the richest but that will not cover all the additional Labour promises.

Corporation tax increase is the last thing the country wants when exiting the UK as one is trying to make itself more attractive to investors!

Its nice to live in a lala land where everything is paid by the country.




The lib dems paid the price for that, the cribs of democracy!

Maybe the colour black will help you understand better this time!

As part of the coalition agreement the Lib Dems abandoned their pledge to oppose any increase in tuition fees

 

[shortbread]

Maybe the colour black will help you understand better this time!

As part of the coalition agreement the Lib Dems abandoned their pledge to oppose any increase in tuition fees

Yes, and they got it wrong because they made up a policy without thinking about the cost of it. The mistake cost them in the next elections and will most probably continue to do so!

The question I asked you is 'How will Labour pay for the tution fees they abolish?'

Where will the money come from?

 

[shortbread]

Were you in the audience last night by any chance

It would be nice to be taken care of the state while doing as little as possible, a very romantic thought indeed!

If I was really selfish that is what I would vote for too!

 

[shortbread]

I respect Jeremy Corbyn for the principled human being that he is. I especially respect him for the foresight he had and the stand he took when Blair decided to mess up the Middle east.

But his economic stand point is bogus.

He wants to create a society that benefits from Socialist largess, which is paid for by a capitalist economy! Someone please tell me how this is going to work out.

The country is about to give hand outs when it is supposed to face the most challenging economic conditions over the next 5 years.

I hope he gets a wake up call after seeing the election results rather than finding out the hard way after running the country to the ground after 5 years of governance!

 

[s28]

This really is a fantastic video

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Her reaction sums it up &#55357;&#56834;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GE2017?src=hash">#GE2017</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BattleforNumber10?src=hash">#BattleforNumber10</a><a href="https://t.co/J2WP2saq7B">pic.twitter.com/J2WP2saq7B</a></p>— Momentum (@PeoplesMomentum) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/869592271683035137">May 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[shaz619]

Yes, and they got it wrong because they made up a policy without thinking about the cost of it. The mistake cost them in the next elections and will most probably continue to do so!

The question I asked you is 'How will Labour pay for the tution fees they abolish?'

Where will the money come from?

It would be nice to be taken care of the state while doing as little as possible, a very romantic thought indeed!

If I was really selfish that is what I would vote for too!

There are more informed people then you who have decided upon how that costing will come about and they will work towards accounting for that but it is policy which we must focus on. But this what I got to say to all the ignorant, greedy, selfish, devil worshipping satanists/thieves:

This country is badly divided between the richest and the poorest.

You put corporate tax and tax on the top end down then that division gets greater.

Are you happy that so many out our children are going to school in super-size classes, that so many of our children are going to school hungry?

Are you happy with so many people are waiting for operations? You don’t address these problems by ignoring them.

Furthermore with regards to tuition fees and costing, the simple truth is that the fees students pay have to be funded from public sources in the first place, and a good chunk – maybe half – will never be recovered from graduates. Many will never earn enough for repayments to kick in, or else they may emigrate and their loan will have to be written off – at which point this becomes “real” public expenditure.

So the system isn’t working, but what’s to be done? A RETURN TO FREE HIGHER EDUCATION.

A return to free higher education is perfectly possible. It is a fiction that the state no longer provides the bulk of the funding for English higher education. The government provides nearly all the upfront funding, on-balance sheet in terms of substantial grants to institutions and off-balance sheet because the Student Loans Company raises all its funding from the state.

The cash cost of free tuition would be the price of forgiving the half of existing student loan debt that might possibly be recovered. Even that would be in the future, not now. It would not cost billions to get rid of tuition fees.

Economists can measure the positive impact, in terms of extra tax revenue and additional spending power, produced by relieving graduates of the shadow of heavy debt. But think also of the potential positive impact in terms of morale among graduates, and on their increased appetite for innovation – which even this government recognises is badly needed in a Britain where productivity has stagnated or even gone into reverse.

Then there is social justice. More equal access would also produce a boost to productivity by using the talents of all the people, not just half – the posh half.

I have never been convinced by the water-runs-up-hill argument that high fees have produced fairer access. The negligible extent to which it may have been true since 2010 is a reflection of the fact that students were heavily subsidised initially, to assuage the guilt of the Lib Dems. Let’s see what happens long-term if a rightwing Tory government that puts loans on a proper commercial footing is entrenched in office.

This is all just one example of the contradiction at the heart of political life. Labour’s policies, even under Corbyn, are popular, whether it’s abolishing student fees, spending more on the NHS, or sorting out the pseudo-privatised railways. But voters mostly satanists and ignorant self proclaimed student's of the game just don’t believe they can be delivered, certainly not by Corbyn. They abandon hope and embrace fallacies.

 

[Robert]

You can talk, you support a party who wanted to destroy the future of youngsters in this country after leading them on with LIES. That's beyond pathetic and in line with the old yeller rhetoric which forces people to drop their support for Labour based on superficial reasons. You are the problem, I hate these old people who are ruining our country and I do not mean any disrespect to Big Mac and do not consider him among those fools.

Shooting the messenger again. QED.

Your tactic exposes the intellectual bankruptcy of the Corbynista. Having no reason-based answer, you can only throw your rattle out of the pram.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I respect Jeremy Corbyn for the principled human being that he is. I especially respect him for the foresight he had and the stand he took when Blair decided to mess up the Middle east.

But his economic stand point is bogus.

He wants to create a society that benefits from Socialist largess, which is paid for by a capitalist economy! Someone please tell me how this is going to work out.

The country is about to give hand outs when it is supposed to face the most challenging economic conditions over the next 5 years.

I hope he gets a wake up call after seeing the election results rather than finding out the hard way after running the country to the ground after 5 years of governance!

There are plenty of ways to raise funds to pay for socialist policies. Economist have a agreed his policies can work.

 

[shaz619]

Shooting the messenger again. QED.

Your tactic exposes the intellectual bankruptcy of the Corbynista. Having no reason-based answer, you can only throw your rattle out of the pram.

You're everything you hate and more, you can remain on the path of ineptness and bigotry I care not for your hypocrisy and shallow views.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Shooting the messenger again. QED.

Your tactic exposes the intellectual bankruptcy of the Corbynista. Having no reason-based answer, you can only throw your rattle out of the pram.

Shaz has a fair point Robert.

Young people have more to lose and gain from who is elected. This is their chance to elect someone who really cares about their future. Why should the older generation ruin their futures with their old fashioned views?

Perhaps 16-30 years old should get 2 voters per person?

 

[shaz619]

Thanks [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] I just want to highlight my post again:

Furthermore with regards to tuition fees and costing, the simple truth is that the fees students pay have to be funded from public sources in the first place, and a good chunk – maybe half – will never be recovered from graduates. Many will never earn enough for repayments to kick in, or else they may emigrate and their loan will have to be written off – at which point this becomes “real” public expenditure.

So the system isn’t working, but what’s to be done? A RETURN TO FREE HIGHER EDUCATION.

A return to free higher education is perfectly possible. It is a fiction that the state no longer provides the bulk of the funding for English higher education. The government provides nearly all the upfront funding, on-balance sheet in terms of substantial grants to institutions and off-balance sheet because the Student Loans Company raises all its funding from the state.

The cash cost of free tuition would be the price of forgiving the half of existing student loan debt that might possibly be recovered. Even that would be in the future, not now. It would not cost billions to get rid of tuition fees.

Economists can measure the positive impact, in terms of extra tax revenue and additional spending power, produced by relieving graduates of the shadow of heavy debt. But think also of the potential positive impact in terms of morale among graduates, and on their increased appetite for innovation – which even this government recognises is badly needed in a Britain where productivity has stagnated or even gone into reverse.

Then there is social justice. More equal access would also produce a boost to productivity by using the talents of all the people, not just half – the posh half.

I have never been convinced by the water-runs-up-hill argument that high fees have produced fairer access. The negligible extent to which it may have been true since 2010 is a reflection of the fact that students were heavily subsidised initially, to assuage the guilt of the Lib Dems. Let’s see what happens long-term if a rightwing Tory government that puts loans on a proper commercial footing is entrenched in office.

This is all just one example of the contradiction at the heart of political life. Labour’s policies, even under Corbyn, are popular, whether it’s abolishing student fees, spending more on the NHS, or sorting out the pseudo-privatised railways. But voters mostly satanists and ignorant self proclaimed student's of the game just don’t believe they can be delivered, certainly not by Corbyn.

The tuition fees are beyond ignorant, they even defeat their own purpose in the first place! this is what is available to low income family's or those who have no support like myself:

Tuition Fee Loan - to pay the 9K
Maintenance Loan - to help with living costs

Some key points:

You only start paying back once you earn an annual wage of 20K

No one will ever quiet repay everything and there are many who earn below 20K where by the government would be forced to eventually write off the loan; in both instances a public expenditure is the result.

Beyond University the cuts to school's can not be justified on any level. What we need to do is invest in our future, the costing makes economic sense and those who disagree mostly the folk who are doing quiet well for themselves must understand that the country is better off when we have excellent scientists and school teachers but how can students even study properly when they have to scrap for food, put up with mediocre teaching and facilities and the pressure of future debt putting of people from pursuing higher education. And this must all be supported by the NHS ! who need to do their part to help those with learning difficulties and mental health problems; but our welfare state is on life support including our primary, secondary and higher education levels.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] Old people are going to be dead soon anyway or their grandchildren must be minted, they speak for the few and not the many; they can't grasp something so simple, we all benefit when we're doing well. Wouldn't it be better if there are more good teachers, more good school's, more good academics and scientists, and more people inside safe homes and not on the streets where drug abuse and crime are a consequence? I seriously just do not get why people want believe in a utopian society where one half - the posh half are only relied upon when it comes to our future prospects.

I also do not want people to struggle like I have, no one really has a clue; I've contemplated suicide many times. This is what you all would be supporting as an example if you vote for a party other then a Labour lead by Jeremy Corbyn. Either way am going to help people in Birmingham regardless of this general elections outcome, we only have each other in the end. #LiveTogetherDieAlone

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] Old people are going to be dead soon anyway or their grandchildren must be minted, they speak for the few and not the many; they can't grasp something so simple, we all benefit when we're doing well. Wouldn't it be better if there are more good teachers, more good school's, more good academics and scientists, and more people inside safe homes and not on the streets where drug abuse and crime are a consequence? I seriously just do not get why people want believe in a utopian society where one half - the posh half are only relied upon when it comes to our future prospects.

I also do not want people to struggle like I have, no one really has a clue; I've contemplated suicide many times. This is what you all would be supporting as an example if you vote for a party other then a Labour lead by Jeremy Corbyn. Either way am going to help people in Birmingham regardless of this general elections outcome, we only have each other in the end. #LiveTogetherDieAlone

Anti-Utopian Society*

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] some great points. The future of our country is with the youth, Corbyn makes a great point regarding immigration , if we don't have the young people here with the skills we need to get others from abroad to fill those positions. 1 in 6 in the NHS are immigrants including Doctors. There are many bright children in this country, a nation with a history of innovation and breakthroughs in science, medicine, engineering and so many other fields but being in debt up to £50,000 is really off putting for so many people. Free education is one of the things which makes the Great in Britain, we must return to this from primary school until university at all costs!

 

[Robert]

Interesting that Corbyn himself told his supporters not to shoot the Messenger. He has more dignity than them.

 

[Robert]

Shaz has a fair point Robert.

Young people have more to lose and gain from who is elected. This is their chance to elect someone who really cares about their future. Why should the older generation ruin their futures with their old fashioned views?

Perhaps 16-30 years old should get 2 voters per person?

Wow. How ageist of you! So what happened to the wisdom of the elders? Young people are naive and easier to hoodwink, so maybe they should not get a vote at all?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Wow. How ageist of you! So what happened to the wisdom of the elders? Young people are naive and easier to hoodwink, so maybe they should not get a vote at all?

Robert you are a wise guy, im not disputing this. I always try to listen to my elders for this reason. My point is not wisdom but interest. Young people have more to lose and gain, this cant be denied. Why should their future be decided by those who have little future?

 

[IMMY69]

&#55357;&#56397;&#55356;&#57340;&#55357;&#56397;&#55356;&#57340;&#55357;&#56397;&#55356;&#57340;An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.


*That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer*


The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on this plan : All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade !


After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.


The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.


As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.


The second test average was a D!

No one was happy.


When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.


To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that communism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.


*These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment :*

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation !

 

[Yossarian]

Theresa May has changed her mind and now says that there will be a cap on the Dementia Tax. But she's not saying what the level of that cap is.

I'm betting that the cap will be so high (eg £500,000 +) that for the vast majority this is effectively the same as 'no cap'.

However, those with more expensive houses plus other assets will thus be the only beneficiaries of the U-turn cap. So the better off win again at the expense of the less well off.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] some great points. The future of our country is with the youth, Corbyn makes a great point regarding immigration , if we don't have the young people here with the skills we need to get others from abroad to fill those positions. 1 in 6 in the NHS are immigrants including Doctors. There are many bright children in this country, a nation with a history of innovation and breakthroughs in science, medicine, engineering and so many other fields but being in debt up to £50,000 is really off putting for so many people. Free education is one of the things which makes the Great in Britain, we must return to this from primary school until university at all costs!

Exactly, beyond me why the sense you speak off does not prevail among the moronic, greedy, ignorant, inept and selfish. They are no better then murders, rapists and thieves; they have burned our county to the ground. Enough is enough.

 

[Yossarian]

������������An economics professor at a local college ....

"Those who can,do; Those who can't, teach". Sounds as if he designed his experiment and defined it's rules, based upon his own biased views of how an economy and society should operate, all in order to get the result he desired.

 

[shaz619]

"Those who can,do; Those who can't, teach". Sounds as if he designed his experiment and defined it's rules, based upon his own biased views of how an economy and society should operate, all in order to get the result he desired.

Pretty much, surprised you even bothered replying to that rubbish involving an experiment in a controlled environment; the irony! #StrongAndStable

 

[Big Mac]

������������An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

Yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaah, that never happened.

 

[ElRaja]

This really is a fantastic video

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Her reaction sums it up ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GE2017?src=hash">#GE2017</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BattleforNumber10?src=hash">#BattleforNumber10</a><a href="https://t.co/J2WP2saq7B">pic.twitter.com/J2WP2saq7B</a></p>— Momentum (@PeoplesMomentum) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/869592271683035137">May 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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fantastic? fantastically misleading. the national debt goes up because we operate a deficit, and we operate a deficit because we spend more than we raise.

the fact is the deficit ballooned to historically high levels after the worst economic crisis in most peoples lives, and despite the massive scare mongering that ensued the deficit is now down to manageable levels and has saved hundreds of billions in additional debt that would have had to be taken on had the austerity program not been implemented. those hundreds of billions in debt we don't have to pay interest on is the only reason we can even have this current debate of fiscal easing.

its very easy to see the results of commission, unfortunately its a bit harder to see the results of omission, and this is the primary reason socialism has ever had any political attraction.

 

[IMMY69]

"Those who can,do; Those who can't, teach". Sounds as if he designed his experiment and defined it's rules, based upon his own biased views of how an economy and society should operate, all in order to get the result he desired.

Of course he did.
Nevertheless an interesting piece which I thought was apt considering we're literally at a crossroads and the next whatever happens next we're going to be at the other end of the optical spectrum.

 

[IMMY69]

^^^
Political

 

[s28]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tonight: we reveal YouGov's first seat by seat projection of the campaign - suggests Tories fall 16 seats short of overall majority <a href="https://t.co/8ouPRHTZ7m">pic.twitter.com/8ouPRHTZ7m</a></p>— Sam Coates Times (@SamCoatesTimes) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/869662208892030976">May 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[s28]

Theresa May is a goner

 

[shaz619]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tonight: we reveal YouGov's first seat by seat projection of the campaign - suggests Tories fall 16 seats short of overall majority <a href="https://t.co/8ouPRHTZ7m">pic.twitter.com/8ouPRHTZ7m</a></p>— Sam Coates Times (@SamCoatesTimes) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/869662208892030976">May 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Corbyn on The One Show, great insight into his life:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08s0cs8/the-one-show-30052017

He is the People's Champion, all those who disagree are satanists.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Corbyn on The One Show, great insight into his life:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08s0cs8/the-one-show-30052017

He is the People's Champion, all those who disagree are satanists.

Great. I can't stop listening to him.

 

[Robert]

Robert you are a wise guy, im not disputing this. I always try to listen to my elders for this reason. My point is not wisdom but interest. Young people have more to lose and gain, this cant be denied. Why should their future be decided by those who have little future?

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I find it sad that, for the first time ever, young people can expect a lower living standard, lower life expectancy and poorer health than their parents. They can't get on the mortgage ladder. I came up in the very best time - one of peace in a developed country at a time of plenty, when I could afford a house. Socialism did some good before it became exhausted, and I benefitted from free education. Then neoliberalism expanded my wealth as I bought cheap and the value of my properties skyrocketed. Then that too ran its course and the result is wider and wider inequality. Then Brexit happened and that is the deepest cut of all. I don't blame youngsters for turning to a kindly old wizard figure. But I don't believe he has the answers - down his road I see economic collapse like Greece.

Yet each generation stands on the shoulders of the last. My Grandad got through the Great Depression to save his sons from destitution. Dad and Uncle fought in WW2 to save me and my sister and my cousins from totalirtarianism. Uncle didn't make it. My generation fought against racism and police brutality so our sons and daughters have more freedom. We strove to make the world better so our kids have more than we did. It didn't work out and we are sorry. But don't try to disenfranchise us, for we have paid our dues and we deserve our say.

 

[IMMY69]

Corbyn on The One Show, great insight into his life:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08s0cs8/the-one-show-30052017

He is the People's Champion, all those who disagree are satanists.

I've got so much to say on thisbut I'm late for my rituals.

 

[KingKhanWC]

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I find it sad that, for the first time ever, young people can expect a lower living standard, lower life expectancy and poorer health than their parents. They can't get on the mortgage ladder. I came up in the very best time - one of peace in a developed country at a time of plenty, when I could afford a house. Socialism did some good before it became exhausted, and I benefitted from free education. Then neoliberalism expanded my wealth as I bought cheap and the value of my properties skyrocketed. Then that too ran its course and the result is wider and wider inequality. Then Brexit happened and that is the deepest cut of all. I don't blame youngsters for turning to a kindly old wizard figure. But I don't believe he has the answers - down his road I see economic collapse like Greece.

Yet each generation stands on the shoulders of the last. My Grandad got through the Great Depression to save his sons from destitution. Dad and Uncle fought in WW2 to save me and my sister and my cousins from totalirtarianism. Uncle didn't make it. My generation fought against racism and police brutality so our sons and daughters have more freedom. We strove to make the world better so our kids have more than we did. It didn't work out and we are sorry. But don't try to disenfranchise us, for we have paid our dues and we deserve our say.

Fair response Robert. As long as you feel it's the right choice for future generations, it is your right of course.

Myself and many others just feel we have a one in a lifetime candidate and it's frustrating to see him behind in the polls esp the witchhunt against him from the Zionist led media.

 

[shaz619]

Fair response Robert. As long as you feel it's the right choice for future generations, it is your right of course.

Myself and many others just feel we have a one in a lifetime candidate and it's frustrating to see him behind in the polls esp the witchhunt against him from the Zionist led media.

The problem with people like him is they put themselves on a pedestal and think they are right about everything which means they are not capable of listening to other people, this means their views are generated based on predefined coding while others are not limited to thinking inside the box and are more open minded when it comes to the grass root issues.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The problem with people like him is they put themselves on a pedestal and think they are right about everything which means they are not capable of listening to other people, this means their views are generated based on predefined coding while others are not limited to thinking inside the box and are more open minded when it comes to the grass root issues.

Agree. People should be open to change all the time.

 

[Yossarian]

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I find it sad that, for the first time ever, young people can expect a lower living standard, lower life expectancy and poorer health than their parents. They can't get on the mortgage ladder. I came up in the very best time - one of peace in a developed country at a time of plenty, when I could afford a house. Socialism did some good before it became exhausted, and I benefitted from free education. Then neoliberalism expanded my wealth as I bought cheap and the value of my properties skyrocketed. Then that too ran its course and the result is wider and wider inequality. Then Brexit happened and that is the deepest cut of all. I don't blame youngsters for turning to a kindly old wizard figure. But I don't believe he has the answers - down his road I see economic collapse like Greece.

Yet each generation stands on the shoulders of the last. My Grandad got through the Great Depression to save his sons from destitution. Dad and Uncle fought in WW2 to save me and my sister and my cousins from totalirtarianism. Uncle didn't make it. My generation fought against racism and police brutality so our sons and daughters have more freedom. We strove to make the world better so our kids have more than we did. It didn't work out and we are sorry. But don't try to disenfranchise us, for we have paid our dues and we deserve our say.

Regardless of which side of the spectrum our political views fall upon, (and I agree with some policies of each and every political party including UKIP, similarly, I disagree with many policies of each and every political party), nevertheless an excellent post.

 

[Yossarian]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tonight: we reveal YouGov's first seat by seat projection of the campaign - suggests Tories fall 16 seats short of overall majority <a href="https://t.co/8ouPRHTZ7m">pic.twitter.com/8ouPRHTZ7m</a></p>— Sam Coates Times (@SamCoatesTimes) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/869662208892030976">May 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Tories need a lead of about 7% over Labour, assuming other parties don't gain or lose seats, just to maintain it's 12 seat majority. Anything less, and bang goes their majority.

Mind you, it could yet turn around for the Tories, and/or the polls are wrong, just as they were wrong about the 2015 General Election, and Brexit, and the U.S. Presidential election.

 

[James]

So it's either a minority Tory government, or a Labour-SNP-Sinn Fein-Green alliance.

Most interesting election in living memory I would say.

 

[s28]

I don't think a minority Tory Govt will work. Britain has an 'unwritten constitution' which means they 'the Establishment' can make it up as they go along so anything is plausible but if Tories are largest Party they would normally get first go at making a workable coalition, however May went to the Country specifically to get a mandate to 'strengthen her hand'. She will have failed and the Tory Party will demand she step down. There then is a constitutional problem because people voted in the Election on the basis of May being leader of the Tories and thus the potential PM. They won't have voted for Boris / A.N.Other who the Tories will install. So it would surely be left to Labour under Corbyn to try to form a coalition or try to proceed on the basis of a minority Govt. Be interesting if anybody has some article to share discussing the scenarios now everything has changed.

 

[s28]

Cenk Uygur is in the UK at the moment

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[James]

The only party that would work with the Tories now is the DUP, and they are probably the most right-wing of all British parties at the moment - steadily losing ground to Sinn Fein.

Corbyn has the advantage of being a policy maker and person that many parties would back.

 

[Junaids]

I respect Jeremy Corbyn for the principled human being that he is.

He wants to create a society that benefits from Socialist largess, which is paid for by a capitalist economy! Someone please tell me how this is going to work out.

Like Germany.

Like Scandinavia.

Like Holland.

I'm a Tory, but even I oppose austerity completely.

We may leave the EU, but we Brits from outside the southeast share a belief that the purpose of wealth creation is to fund a better society, rather than to have a user-pays low-tax model.

I live in Australia and pay 48.5% tax, but I can't remember when I last saw a homeless person.

I might be the only Tory who admires Jeremy Corbyn.

 

[shortbread]

Yougov predicted a hung parliament the last time round!

 

[Markhor]

So it's either a minority Tory government, or a Labour-SNP-Sinn Fein-Green alliance.

Most interesting election in living memory I would say.

Sinn Fein don't take up their seats in Westminster though.

Speaking of which, we tend to neglect Northern Ireland politics here on the mainland. Post-Brexit, the prospect of a United Ireland is no longer as remote as it was ten years ago. Gerry Adams has called this election a barometer of the question of Irish unity.

We do need a discussion on the wider state of the Union and constitutional issues beyond Brexit. The nations of the UK are increasingly diverging and England itself is deeply divided.

Where are the proposals from the major parties on how to resolve the West Lothian question ? Are we going to see changes to the Barnett formula ? What about devolution for the English regions ? What further powers can be devolved to Scotland ?

 

[Robert]

Agree. People should be open to change all the time.

I'm open to change. After thirty years of voting Labour I joined the Liberal Democrats. If we want better services the majority of us will have to pay more tax - lots more.

Right now we have the two worst main options I can remember - one party internally riven, hell-bent on hard Brexit and more service cuts forever, led by someone who is arguably not up to the job; and another which is well-meaning but lacking in credible spending plans, internally riven and 'led' by a populist who cannot manage his own communications office, let alone a major party.

What makes me disillusioned is that intellectual arguments have stopped working. Most of the keen Labour minds have fled the front bench in despair while the Tories are driven by a BluKIP lemming charge over a cliff. Populists on the left and right have made it all about emotional need and my own party - that of reason and considered compromise - languishes on 8%. Perhaps there is no room for reason in modern politics.

Looks like there will be a Tory minority government unable to get anything done while we face the colossal challenge of Brexit.

What an utter mess we are in.

 

[Yossarian]

I don't think a minority Tory Govt will work. Britain has an 'unwritten constitution' which means they 'the Establishment' can make it up as they go along so anything is plausible but if Tories are largest Party they would normally get first go at making a workable coalition, however May went to the Country specifically to get a mandate to 'strengthen her hand'. She will have failed and the Tory Party will demand she step down. There then is a constitutional problem because people voted in the Election on the basis of May being leader of the Tories and thus the potential PM. They won't have voted for Boris / A.N.Other who the Tories will install. So it would surely be left to Labour under Corbyn to try to form a coalition or try to proceed on the basis of a minority Govt. Be interesting if anybody has some article to share discussing the scenarios now everything has changed.

Err...No.

Theresa May herself became PM because David Cameron stepped down after winning the General Election a year earlier.

Gordon Brown became PM because Tony Blair stepped down after winning the previous General Election.

John Major became PM because Margaret Thatcher stepped down after winning the previous General Election.

James Callaghan became PM because Harold Wilson stepped down after winning the previous General Election.

In fact, since 1974, apart from David Cameron and Tony Blair, every British Prime Minister has initially become the PM when the incumbent Prime Minister stepped down after winning the previous General Election.

So I don't know where you get this idea of there being a constitutional crisis if Theresa May wins, but with a reduced majority, or even no majority but still the largest number of MP's.

As for having to form a coalition government because no single party has an overall majority - how did you think David Cameron (Conservative) became Prime Minister, and David Clegg (Lib Dems) became Deputy Prime Minister, after the 2010 General Election?

 

[shaz619]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/theresa_may">@Theresa_May</a> come & debate me. Any time. Any place. Britain deserves to see the only two people who could be the next Prime Minister debate <a href="https://t.co/hM6wK9e32B">pic.twitter.com/hM6wK9e32B</a></p>— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869866720042909700">31 May 2017</a></blockquote>
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Jeremy will be appearing on the 7 way debate on the BBC tonight, will May show up?

 

[TalhaSyed]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] - Labour-SNP coalition?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

These are exciting times. Seems the younger generation are finally waking up to their stake in the elections and that's causing panic in the traditionally pro-Conservative media. The character assassination on Corbyn appears to be failing, and that means we will finally see an election where policy will count and we get two leaders going head to head in a fair fight. Well almost. This could be better than Klitschko/Joshua showdown for the heavyweight title.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] - Labour-SNP coalition?

Why not who will you be voting, probably SNP; but that won't work against Jeremy unless you voted Tory; say that with the knowledge Labour won't win in Scotland

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Sinn Fein don't take up their seats in Westminster though.

Speaking of which, we tend to neglect Northern Ireland politics here on the mainland. Post-Brexit, the prospect of a United Ireland is no longer as remote as it was ten years ago. Gerry Adams has called this election a barometer of the question of Irish unity.

We do need a discussion on the wider state of the Union and constitutional issues beyond Brexit. The nations of the UK are increasingly diverging and England itself is deeply divided.

Where are the proposals from the major parties on how to resolve the West Lothian question ? Are we going to see changes to the Barnett formula ? What about devolution for the English regions ? What further powers can be devolved to Scotland ?

It's still a bit away though, will be accelerated due to Brexit however.

In NI a fairly large amount of Nationalist party voters actually support the Union, whereas very very few if not zero Unionist party voters support unification. Reason for this is simple, large amount of people vote based off of financial well being! If a clear proposal was put forward and unifiying would greatly improve the average life in NI many people would switch, but until that happens I can't see it occurring. SF will obviously campaign hard for a border poll but unless it was done on a county by county basis (in which case 2 or 3 counties might reunify) it'd fail by a reasonable percentage I reckon. But SF wouldnt mind that, once the question gets placed it would stay in the poiitical sphere and a decade later would likely occur again.

Throw in the non existent Loyalist "culture" which amounts to despising all things indigenious and treating the taigs like garbage being slowly exposed for what it is, car crash politics of the DUP, demographic shift and the massive identity crisis experienced within Loyalism where they profess absolute loyality with the UK which completely ignores them and the fact they proclaim to be as British as Finchley while at the same time fighting against Britain on matters of gay marriage and abortion and so on and it will happen in the next 20 years I believe.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Lol imagine if the UK parliament majority came down to relying on SF for support. Irony overload.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Why not who will you be voting, probably SNP; but that won't work against Jeremy unless you voted Tory; say that with the knowledge Labour won't win in Scotland

See until recently I was going for SNP - but now I'm thinking Labour.

IMO SNP & Nicola Sturgeon are great & I think they will get their chance one day. However, I think right now, what the UK need is someone like Jeremy Corbyn.

I don't know a lot about UK politics and will never dare claim otherwise, however, based on what I see the Tories saying/doing every day and based on what I hear the likes of Labour and SNP saying/doing - as an 'average Joe' in the country, who is a young guy and just wants to get on with my life, I can't see any reason to vote for anyone other than those two parties.

 

[shaz619]

See until recently I was going for SNP - but now I'm thinking Labour.

IMO SNP & Nicola Sturgeon are great & I think they will get their chance one day. However, I think right now, what the UK need is someone like Jeremy Corbyn.

I don't know a lot about UK politics and will never dare claim otherwise, however, based on what I see the Tories saying/doing every day and based on what I hear the likes of Labour and SNP saying/doing - as an 'average Joe' in the country, who is a young guy and just wants to get on with my life, I can't see any reason to vote for anyone other than those two parties.

What is the general sentiment in your country and opinion on Jeremy? could Scottish Labour remotely have a chance of putting up a great fight there? Jeremy has said he is open to talks with the SNP as well

 

[James]

Labour and the SNP will be able to work together, so if the Scotland seats are all Labour and SNP then it effectively boosts the chances of a coalition happening.

The Scottish Tories however are doing as well as they have in Scotland for a very long time, mainly because of their unambiguous commitment to Unionism / the No vote, and so they present a very real threat to Corbyn's prospects of becoming Prime Minister.

Whatever happens I don't think we will be in dissaray. Things always end up sorting themselves out in British politics.

 

[TalhaSyed]

What is the general sentiment in your country and opinion on Jeremy? could Scottish Labour remotely have a chance of putting up a great fight there? Jeremy has said he is open to talks with the SNP as well

Again - just to re-iterate - not being very literate in the field of politics, I dont want to state anything as fact, and want to emphasise that this is just my opinion.

However, speaking to the average guy on the street, at work, in the mosque etc. - I have not met a single person who has not said that they will vote for someone other than Labour or SNP.

See SNP will always have a big backing in Scotland - there's no two ways about that. An independent Scotland will always be very appealing and things like the Brexit vote show why. In the last Scottish referendum I voted to remain in the UK - that was mainly because of two reasons:

1) Alex Salmond. I think the guy is an absolute lad. However, you dont want a lad running the country. For me - he was way too emotional and way too focused on independence, to the extent that at times his other arguments fell apart badly

2) From a personal point of view - given my career trajectory, given my future plans at the time, given my family structure etc. - for me I thought a united UK was better. Yes - thats how illiterate I am regarding UK politics that I made my decision based on my own personal situation rather than reading too much into what is best on a larger scale

However, this time if SNP were to have a referendum I would vote probably to leave - again for two main reasons:

1) Nicola Sturgeon. Sure - she is also heavily focused on independence. SNP have to be otherwise they will lose a lot of their support. However, she comes across as a lot more level headed and capable of managing difficult situations logically rather than emotionally

2) The Brexit Vote. The Brexit vote showed that it doesn't matter what Scotland said or voted for. At the end of the day, due to the difference in population, Scotland's votes simply don't really count. The whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU, however, thanks to the rest of UK, we are now on our way out. Now for me this is nothing about being patriotic or being Scottish - it's simply a case of I believe that people should be able to chose and vote for what they want to do. The fact that given the current set up Scotland cannot do that, just seems wrong to me.

Having said all that - at the current moment in time - the fact is that SNP probably will win a majority in Scotland and another Scottish Referendum will be on the cards once the Brexit negotiations are done. However, right now, I just don't see a better option than Corbyn going forwards. He is literally the guy who represents majority of your every day British person, and with the Brexit negotiations coming up, we need someone who will look out for everyone rather than for themselves and a select few. I think more and more people are seeing that - including in Scotland - which is why Labour may manage to win a few Scottish seats this time around.

 

[s28]

Corbyn is doing tonights Leaders debate

Calling out May to do it as well

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"I don't know what she's doing this evening... I invite her to debate": <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn">@jeremycorbyn</a> invites <a href="https://twitter.com/theresa_may">@theresa_may</a> to TV debate <a href="https://t.co/3Kfk2f6dmw">pic.twitter.com/3Kfk2f6dmw</a></p>— Sky News (@SkyNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/869877593645793280">May 31, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Junaids]

Earlier I posted a "Line of Duty" inspired "URGENT EXIT REQUIRED".

And as someone who hates the austerity policies of my own party, I'm actually delighted that Corbyn has we Tories on the run. I still think we will win handily though.

Where I disagree with our Liberal Democrat friends like [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] is as follows........

I think that Labour under Bliar and Brown and the Lib Dems under Clegg sold their souls by underfunding the NHS and introducing University fees. They betrayed their electorate.

Corbyn's faults are obvious, but so too are his principles. I am from the opposite side of politics but I admire him hugely.

We Tories have sold our souls too, first to the fishwife economics of Thatcher and then to the posh austerity boys. I do like Theresa May, but she has been complacent and this campaign has been a half-baked mess. We actually deserve to lose.

And I wish we would. Being in power during Brexit will send us into the cold for a generation, especially if Macron and Merkel make it painful.

We will win, which just means that Andy Burnham will be PM from 2022-2032.

It's a shame we can't lose, as that would put Boris in Downing Street for a similar period.

 

[Robert]

The threat of a Labour- Scot Nat Coalition was what produced the Tory majority in 2015.

 

[shaz619]

Again - just to re-iterate - not being very literate in the field of politics, I dont want to state anything as fact, and want to emphasise that this is just my opinion.

However, speaking to the average guy on the street, at work, in the mosque etc. - I have not met a single person who has not said that they will vote for someone other than Labour or SNP.

See SNP will always have a big backing in Scotland - there's no two ways about that. An independent Scotland will always be very appealing and things like the Brexit vote show why. In the last Scottish referendum I voted to remain in the UK - that was mainly because of two reasons:

1) Alex Salmond. I think the guy is an absolute lad. However, you dont want a lad running the country. For me - he was way too emotional and way too focused on independence, to the extent that at times his other arguments fell apart badly

2) From a personal point of view - given my career trajectory, given my future plans at the time, given my family structure etc. - for me I thought a united UK was better. Yes - thats how illiterate I am regarding UK politics that I made my decision based on my own personal situation rather than reading too much into what is best on a larger scale

However, this time if SNP were to have a referendum I would vote probably to leave - again for two main reasons:

1) Nicola Sturgeon. Sure - she is also heavily focused on independence. SNP have to be otherwise they will lose a lot of their support. However, she comes across as a lot more level headed and capable of managing difficult situations logically rather than emotionally

2) The Brexit Vote. The Brexit vote showed that it doesn't matter what Scotland said or voted for. At the end of the day, due to the difference in population, Scotland's votes simply don't really count. The whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU, however, thanks to the rest of UK, we are now on our way out. Now for me this is nothing about being patriotic or being Scottish - it's simply a case of I believe that people should be able to chose and vote for what they want to do. The fact that given the current set up Scotland cannot do that, just seems wrong to me.

Having said all that - at the current moment in time - the fact is that SNP probably will win a majority in Scotland and another Scottish Referendum will be on the cards once the Brexit negotiations are done. However, right now, I just don't see a better option than Corbyn going forwards. He is literally the guy who represents majority of your every day British person, and with the Brexit negotiations coming up, we need someone who will look out for everyone rather than for themselves and a select few. I think more and more people are seeing that - including in Scotland - which is why Labour may manage to win a few Scottish seats this time around.

Good post bro! thanks for the insight as I don't follow the scene in Scotland as much, I do agree with you that in the grand scheme based on what you've said you'e better of voting for Labour given the capacity for more of an impact. I hope somehow Jeremy pulls of the win but if he is to do so the Scottish support can be pivotal besides all the youngsters he is relying on and they're quiet unpredictable although I expect a better turn out compared to the past

 

[Yossarian]

It's still a bit away though, will be accelerated due to Brexit however.

In NI a fairly large amount of Nationalist party voters actually support the Union, whereas very very few if not zero Unionist party voters support unification. Reason for this is simple, large amount of people vote based off of financial well being! If a clear proposal was put forward and unifiying would greatly improve the average life in NI many people would switch, but until that happens I can't see it occurring. SF will obviously campaign hard for a border poll but unless it was done on a county by county basis (in which case 2 or 3 counties might reunify) it'd fail by a reasonable percentage I reckon. But SF wouldnt mind that, once the question gets placed it would stay in the poiitical sphere and a decade later would likely occur again.

In that case, surely the Brexit vote changes everything?


NI only has one of 3 options.

1. A fully fledged border between the Republic and NI.

2. Reunification with the Republic.

3. Remain part of the Union, but the customs and immigration border between Ireland/EU and Britain becomes the Irish Sea (ie Just like goods & people arriving on the British mainland from the EU will need to go through customs and immigration checks, the same will apply to those from NI if there is no 'proper' border between Ireland and NI)

Here's my brief explanation why the above matters: (correct me if I'm wrong)

"Rules of Origin" and international tariffs means that unless one of the three options above is implemented, it would be possible for, say, goods (and people) from the EU to be shipped to Ireland (since it's still part of the EU), driven across to NI, and then shipped across to mainland Britain, thereby bypassing any rules and future trade agreements between the UK and the rest of the EU.

Similarly, say for example the UK does a deal with the USA or India or Australia that has lower tariffs than their deal with the EU, it would become possible for goods to be shipped to NI from USA/India/Australia, driven across to Ireland, and then shipped to the rest of the EU duty free (since Ireland is part of the EU).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Earlier I posted a "Line of Duty" inspired "URGENT EXIT REQUIRED".

And as someone who hates the austerity policies of my own party, I'm actually delighted that Corbyn has we Tories on the run. I still think we will win handily though.

Where I disagree with our Liberal Democrat friends like [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] is as follows........

I think that Labour under Bliar and Brown and the Lib Dems under Clegg sold their souls by underfunding the NHS and introducing University fees. They betrayed their electorate.

Corbyn's faults are obvious, but so too are his principles. I am from the opposite side of politics but I admire him hugely.

We Tories have sold our souls too, first to the fishwife economics of Thatcher and then to the posh austerity boys. I do like Theresa May, but she has been complacent and this campaign has been a half-baked mess. We actually deserve to lose.

And I wish we would. Being in power during Brexit will send us into the cold for a generation, especially if Macron and Merkel make it painful.

We will win, which just means that Andy Burnham will be PM from 2022-2032.

It's a shame we can't lose, as that would put Boris in Downing Street for a similar period.

Weren't you one of the more vocal supporters of Brexit on here?

 

[Donal Cozzie]

In that case, surely the Brexit vote changes everything?


NI only has one of 3 options.

1. A fully fledged border between the Republic and NI.

2. Reunification with the Republic.

3. Remain part of the Union, but the customs and immigration border between Ireland/EU and Britain becomes the Irish Sea (ie Just like goods & people arriving on the British mainland from the EU will need to go through customs and immigration checks, the same will apply to those from NI if there is no 'proper' border between Ireland and NI)

Here's my brief explanation why the above matters: (correct me if I'm wrong)

"Rules of Origin" and international tariffs means that unless one of the three options above is implemented, it would be possible for, say, goods (and people) from the EU to be shipped to Ireland (since it's still part of the EU), driven across to NI, and then shipped across to mainland Britain, thereby bypassing any rules and future trade agreements between the UK and the rest of the EU.

Similarly, say for example the UK does a deal with the USA or India or Australia that has lower tariffs than their deal with the EU, it would become possible for goods to be shipped to NI from USA/India/Australia, driven across to Ireland, and then shipped to the rest of the EU duty free (since Ireland is part of the EU).

You're correct, but that's why in all likelihood a border of sorts will be implemented. NI's border is impossible to police properly, so many roads and entry points, so smuggling which has always happened will continue anyway, albeit not on a major scale.

But yes, in all likelihood there will be some form of border. Its actually quite impressive what the DUP have done. Their hatred of just about anything Irish or non British has meant that they have

a) screwed over NI's farmers, who receive something like 350 million pounds a year from the EU in grants and subsidies.

b) made NI even more unattractive for FDI since its out of the EU, as if the fleg protests hadnt already done enough damage

c) annoyed most of the NI electorate including Unionists, who voted 56% to remain, even higher among young voters who are already turning away from mainstream Unionism in droves

d) made NI even more reliant on UK government money than it already was

e) made the prospect of a United Ireland more realistic than it has ever been in the past 100 years!

With the electoral pacts the DUP and UUP have agreed on in some constituencies they should still return the most seats, but the choice for NI voters is simple.

Catholic or Nationalist : As always vote SF,SDLP,Alliance
Unionist for Brexit: DUP
Unionist against Brexit: Nationalist parties and the Alliance (who are growing year on year).

Lol, complete political own goal and thats not even including the Cash for Ash fiasco.

 

[s28]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the best Labour election campaign since 1997. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GE2017?src=hash">#GE2017</a> <a href="https://t.co/aVP9kASH6v">pic.twitter.com/aVP9kASH6v</a></p>— John Prescott (@johnprescott) <a href="https://twitter.com/johnprescott/status/869838877460246528">May 31, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Adil_94]

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/869908350019829760

weak and wobbly strikes again

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=396]mani1[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] you guys are from Bradford right, I know that Salma Yaqoob is campaigning there; you can decide for yourself if you find her to be a suitable leader for your constituency but I want to give you guys an example of the kind of woman she is. Back in Brum growing up I had to move to numerous school's for various reasons, it got to a point where I found a place in a School which was not convenient for me to travel to and quiet frankly I was starting to get to a point where I just didn't care and was willing to abandon my education because no one was really responsible for me and I thought that I could do with the extra cash so will take more hours at work.

During that period Salma was involved with youth's like myself in our communities and made every effort to make sure I was given the correct advice and shielded me from being influenced negatively before arranging for a relative of hers to pick and drop me during the first year of my secondary education before she felt that I'd be okay to travel by myself after my insistence that I'd be fine. Then she'd pop in every now and then with my foster mom to see if I was ok despite how busy she was with her political career!

I don't live in Bradford so you guys know what is best but just wanted you to know the kind amazing woman Salma is.

 

[shaz619]

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/869908350019829760

weak and wobbly strikes again

) She's an insult to PM's all around the world

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] is from Bfd my respect has gone up for you tenfold my friend.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] even a simpleton like Trump is much better at public speaking than her. Would rather have Boris to lead Tories at least he give u laughs.