UK General Election. Don't be surprised if Theresa May's gamble fails

[Big Mac]

Rudd's father died on Monday and May still sent her to do the debate instead of coming to Cambridge herself. What a terrible human being.

 

[Robert]

Rudd's father died on Monday and May still sent her to do the debate instead of coming to Cambridge herself. What a terrible human being.

That's wickedness.

Amazing that Rudd held up so well. She should be on compassionate leave.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Rudd's father died on Monday and May still sent her to do the debate instead of coming to Cambridge herself. What a terrible human being.

Didn't know this, it's so bad. I have no love for her but now I feel sorry for her having so much pressure on her to deliver on this debate while still in grieving.
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] that pic is epic, esp the immigrants card for UKIP

 

[James]

Rudd's father died on Monday and May still sent her to do the debate instead of coming to Cambridge herself. What a terrible human being.

Yeah, heard this too. Very poor form.

Theresa could pay for this no-show I think.

British voters are prepared to forgive an unlimited number of honest mistakes; they will also forgive a certain amount of u-turning and oafishness by exception; but what none of them will ever forgive is [perceived] cowardice.

 

[s28]

This is before tonights debate showed Theresa May to be weak and inconsiderate

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Westminster voting intention:<br><br>CON: 42% (-1)<br>LAB: 39% (+3)<br>LDEM: 7% (-2)<br>UKIP: 4% (-)<br><br>(via <a href="https://twitter.com/YouGov">@YouGov</a> / 30 - 31 May)</p>— Britain Elects (@britainelects) <a href="https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/870025264239177729">May 31, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[shaz619]

[MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION]

Our JEREMY CORBYN, who art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth,
As it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive them that trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
The power, and the glory,
For ever and ever.
Amen.

 

[shaz619]

Rudd's father died on Monday and May still sent her to do the debate instead of coming to Cambridge herself. What a terrible human being.

I read about that just after the debate, admire her for pulling through but shame on May; she really has no excuse for her no-show and lack of compassion.

 

[shaz619]

This is before tonights debate showed Theresa May to be weak and inconsiderate

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Westminster voting intention:<br><br>CON: 42% (-1)<br>LAB: 39% (+3)<br>LDEM: 7% (-2)<br>UKIP: 4% (-)<br><br>(via <a href="https://twitter.com/YouGov">@YouGov</a> / 30 - 31 May)</p>— Britain Elects (@britainelects) <a href="https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/870025264239177729">May 31, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Am sceptical about the accuracy of such polls, do have immense faith in them s28?

 

[Big Mac]

That's wickedness.

Amazing that Rudd held up so well. She should be on compassionate leave.

Tories declared her fit to work.

Am sceptical about the accuracy of such polls, do have immense faith in them s28?

YouGov have it being much closer than other pollsters who have the Tories with a double digit lead or thereabouts. The thing with YouGov is they get their results from people who choose to take their questionnaires online, so I imagine that skews things somewhat.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

If Labour actually pull this off it'll be a hell of a comeback.

Go Corbyn!!

 

[Junaids]

Don't assume too much about Amber Rudd's relationship with her late dad. After all, this is a person who married AA Gill (who has also only recently died).

Don't expect the polls to change much now. In a fair world May would now slip, but the reality is that the Daily Mail, Daily Express and Daily Telegraph are now spreading the Fake News that this was a loony left audience, as if that changes the cowardice of the PM sending Rudd as her proxy.

The press will now hammer Corbyn relentlessly for the final week.

I expect roughly:

Conservatives 335 seats 43%
Labour 255 seats 35%
Liberal Democrats 12 seats 15%
SNP 51 seats

That's a working majority of 22.

 

[s28]

Look at this guy he's a rockstar

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cambridge caught word at the very very last minute that Jeremy Corbyn was coming to town. Look what happened next. <a href="https://t.co/GrJOW3rqcM">pic.twitter.com/GrJOW3rqcM</a></p>— Tory Fibs (Eoin) (@ToryFibs) <a href="https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/870036821983604736">31 May 2017</a></blockquote>
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[s28]

The media doubted Corbyn and they sneered that his shadow cabinet were rubbish because the Blairite trash refused to serve... people like Barry Gardiner, Sarah Champion, Angela Rayner, John McDonnell have shown repeatedly they are first rate people (oh and of course Robert's little fave Keir Starmer )

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Absolutely destroyed &#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834; <a href="https://twitter.com/BarryGardiner">@BarryGardiner</a> is this election's MVP <a href="https://t.co/e5tRrNGIdk">pic.twitter.com/e5tRrNGIdk</a></p>— Bittah Conqueror (@JakeWiafe) <a href="https://twitter.com/JakeWiafe/status/869848994272362497">31 May 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Junaids]

The media doubted Corbyn and they sneered that his shadow cabinet were rubbish because the Blairite trash refused to serve... people like Barry Gardiner, Sarah Champion, Angela Rayner, John McDonnell have shown repeatedly they are first rate people (oh and of course Robert's little fave Keir Starmer )

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Absolutely destroyed &#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834; <a href="https://twitter.com/BarryGardiner">@BarryGardiner</a> is this election's MVP <a href="https://t.co/e5tRrNGIdk">pic.twitter.com/e5tRrNGIdk</a></p>— Bittah Conqueror (@JakeWiafe) <a href="https://twitter.com/JakeWiafe/status/869848994272362497">31 May 2017</a></blockquote>
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So why are they going to lose?

 

[maverick85]

The conservatives and their support for the Naylor report. May is supporting the sale of the NHS.

 

[Robert]

The media doubted Corbyn and they sneered that his shadow cabinet were rubbish because the Blairite trash refused to serve... people like Barry Gardiner, Sarah Champion, Angela Rayner, John McDonnell have shown repeatedly they are first rate people (oh and of course Robert's little fave Keir Starmer )

I get worried when you call MPs who have served the Labour movement for decades "trash". It's a tendency on the hard left to do this and I wonder if they really have people's interests at heart when they use such language. It seems to me as though ideas are more important than people to them. When that happens, people tend to get hurt.

173 MPs are all Blairites?

Yes, I rate Sir Kier highly.

 

[Junaids]

I get worried when you call MPs who have served the Labour movement for decades "trash". It's a tendency on the hard left to do this and I wonder if they really have people's interests at heart when they use such language. It seems to me as though ideas are more important than people to them. When that happens, people tend to get hurt.

173 MPs are all Blairites?

Yes, I rate Sir Kier highly.

Kier?

Are you doing that Bliar vowels thing?

 

[Junaids]

On a serious note, I'm not convinced by Starmer at this point.

He is the Shadow Minister for Exiting the EU.

But he seems to be happy to adopt the moral high ground (eg with EU residents in the U.K.) while Barnier and Juncker negotiate in bad faith, and he seems not to want to have anything to bargain with.

As everyone knows, I became pro-Brexit after Cameron was treated with contempt by Juncker 15 months ago when he tried to renegotiate. And I learned that you have to be ruthless when you do negotiate with him.

Starmer doesn't seem to get that.

 

[shaz619]

Don't assume too much about Amber Rudd's relationship with her late dad. After all, this is a person who married AA Gill (who has also only recently died).

Don't expect the polls to change much now. In a fair world May would now slip, but the reality is that the Daily Mail, Daily Express and Daily Telegraph are now spreading the Fake News that this was a loony left audience, as if that changes the cowardice of the PM sending Rudd as her proxy.

The press will now hammer Corbyn relentlessly for the final week.

I expect roughly:

Conservatives 335 seats 43%
Labour 255 seats 35%
Liberal Democrats 12 seats 15%
SNP 51 seats

That's a working majority of 22.

It doesn't matter what relationship you had with your father/mother, when they pass it affects you.

 

[Yossarian]

On a serious note, I'm not convinced by Starmer at this point.

He is the Shadow Minister for Exiting the EU.

But he seems to be happy to adopt the moral high ground (eg with EU residents in the U.K.) while Barnier and Juncker negotiate in bad faith, and he seems not to want to have anything to bargain with.

As everyone knows, I became pro-Brexit after Cameron was treated with contempt by Juncker 15 months ago when he tried to renegotiate. And I learned that you have to be ruthless when you do negotiate with him.

Starmer doesn't seem to get that.

Can you imagine clueless David Davis negotiating anything?
As for Theresa "Blowhard who collapses at the first sign of gunfire" May, enough said.

May's excuse for not attending the debate last night was "debates where the politicians are squabbling amongst themselves doesn’t do anything for the process of electioneering" and that she was "focusing on taking questions from the public, knocking on doors and listening to voters".

Hence why she sent her Home Secretary Amber Rudd, who's father had died 2 days previously, to take part in this "politicians squabbling amongst themselves" debate whilst she did the "important" stuff of giving tv interviews?

So Mrs. May thinks Amber Rudd is a squabbling politician?

 

[shaz619]

Look at this guy he's a rockstar

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cambridge caught word at the very very last minute that Jeremy Corbyn was coming to town. Look what happened next. <a href="https://t.co/GrJOW3rqcM">pic.twitter.com/GrJOW3rqcM</a></p>— Tory Fibs (Eoin) (@ToryFibs) <a href="https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/870036821983604736">31 May 2017</a></blockquote>
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He is the people's champion [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], brilliant @ the crowd member offering Jeremy pringles and Jeremy responds and eats them as well ) [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] bet that was you LOL

 

[s28]

I get worried when you call MPs who have served the Labour movement for decades "trash". It's a tendency on the hard left to do this and I wonder if they really have people's interests at heart when they use such language. It seems to me as though ideas are more important than people to them. When that happens, people tend to get hurt.

173 MPs are all Blairites?

Yes, I rate Sir Kier highly.

There are not 173 Blairites. It splits down into
20-30 Blairites
40-50 odd Labour Right
100 Centre and Soft Left who were caught up in the Brexit trauma groupthink

 

[Big Mac]

http://www.libdems.org.uk/whatsthe404pagelooklike

Lib Dems swiftly becoming the party for top bantz.

 

[Robert]

Kier?

Are you doing that Bliar vowels thing?

Yes Juniads.

 

[the Great Khan]

Im a Corbyn supporter and I hope he does it..but he wont. Why? because British voters (different to the overall public by the way) are liars. They care about two things: being great again and getting rid of jonny foreigner. End of. Keep giving em a dollop of the above two in various guises and they will vote for you. By the way jonny foreigner includes the Scots. May will simply talk immigration, and how corbyn is going to flood the country with immigrants while joing up with the scots to screw mr and mrs englander...end of..

 

[maverick85]

Im a Corbyn supporter and I hope he does it..but he wont. Why? because British voters (different to the overall public by the way) are liars. They care about two things: being great again and getting rid of jonny foreigner. End of. Keep giving em a dollop of the above two in various guises and they will vote for you. By the way jonny foreigner includes the Scots. May will simply talk immigration, and how corbyn is going to flood the country with immigrants while joing up with the scots to screw mr and mrs englander...end of..

^ Sad to say it but pretty much this...

 

[Robert]

Im a Corbyn supporter and I hope he does it..but he wont. Why? because British voters (different to the overall public by the way) are liars. They care about two things: being great again and getting rid of jonny foreigner. End of. Keep giving em a dollop of the above two in various guises and they will vote for you. By the way jonny foreigner includes the Scots. May will simply talk immigration, and how corbyn is going to flood the country with immigrants while joing up with the scots to screw mr and mrs englander...end of..

Not the nation I recognise [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION].

 

[s28]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/WestEndJCP">@WestEndJCP</a> Can I report someone who has failed to attend two job interviews in 48 hours. I know where she lives. What is the sanction? <a href="https://t.co/aQPCD6BY7z">https://t.co/aQPCD6BY7z</a></p>— Ed Miliband (@Ed_Miliband) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/870355982056136704">1 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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[James]

Tiger Tim Farron just gave the worst performance of his life in the Andrew Neill interview. I've seen some slimy politicians struggle to pitch themselves positively, but bloody hell that was bad - on another level!

 

[s28]

Bernie Sanders has come as near as possible to endorsing Corbyn without actually saying 'I endorse Corbyn'

Speaking at an event at the Brighton Festival, Mr Sanders was asked about his views on the Labour leader.

"I am aware of what Corbyn not only is doing now, but what we has done for the last several years," he said.

"What has impressed me – and there is a real similarity between what he has done and what I have done – is he has taken on the establishment of the Labour Party and he has gone to the grassroots and he has tried to transform that party and take on a lot of establishment opposition. That is exactly what I am trying to in the US with the Democratic party.

"I am also impressed by his willingness to talk about class issues. Too many people run away from the grotesque levels of income and wealth inequality that exist in the United States, that exist in the UK, and I believe we will never make the kinds of changes that we needs unless we take on this issue of income and wealth inequality and create an economy that works for all of us."

The US senator said British people did not need to be told how to vote and that his words of support were “not an endorsement”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ghton-speech-donald-trump-paris-a7768226.html

 

[s28]

Did anybody else note that the underlying data tables for the Yougov polls have been released and actually they show only a 1% difference in Tory v Labour vote share !

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">... also including don't knows, and removing turnout weighting... it has Con 31: Lab 30. It's not mirrored in other polls.</p>— Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) <a href="https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/870234748442091520">1 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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[shaz619]

Did anybody else note that the underlying data tables for the Yougov polls have been released and actually they show only a 1% difference in Tory v Labour vote share !

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">... also including don't knows, and removing turnout weighting... it has Con 31: Lab 30. It's not mirrored in other polls.</p>— Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) <a href="https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/870234748442091520">1 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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It has been proven that those polls have no bearing, Tory's are gong to annihilate Labour

 

[irfan]

Don't trust YouGov, they're a Tory controlled organisation; as Hitchens says polls are a device to influence public opinion rather than measure it. This is going to encourage all those potential Tory voters who perhaps might have abstained to take action on election day.Although Labour have done well in the campaign I still feel they've not appealed enough to the millions of private sector workers whose taxes pay for everything.

 

[Yossarian]

BBC Question Time tonight.

A member of the audience, a brown desi speaking half broken english, just made a rant that "Immigration has destroyed Britain" and wants all immigrants (ie those already living here) to be given an english competency test, and be deported if they fail.

(The rest of the audience booed him)

He obviously doesn't realise that he's an immigrant himself, and given his limited english, he's extremely likely to fail any english test and thus be deported.

What a Plonker!

 

[irfan]

BBC Question Time tonight.

A member of the audience, a brown desi speaking half broken english, just made a rant that "Immigration has destroyed Britain" and wants all immigrants (ie those already living here) to be given an english competency test, and be deported if they fail.

(The rest of the audience booed him)

He obviously doesn't realise that he's an immigrant himself, and given his limited english, he's extremely likely to fail any english test and thus be deported.

What a Plonker!

I cringed so much I had to change channels, what the hell was he trying to say?

 

[Yossarian]

I cringed so much I had to change channels, what the hell was he trying to say?

Don't know.
He didn't speak very good english and he was ranting loudly. Sounded as if he wants to get rid of immigrants who can't speak good english.

 

[s28]

Innit

 

[James]

Didn't see it but that is hilarious - and sadly if there was an English test then a lot of indigenous whites would end up getting deported!!

 

[Robert]

Tiger Tim Farron just gave the worst performance of his life in the Andrew Neill interview. I've seen some slimy politicians struggle to pitch themselves positively, but bloody hell that was bad - on another level!

Yeah, he wasn't great.

 

[Yossarian]

Didn't see it but that is hilarious - and sadly if there was an English test then a lot of indigenous whites would end up getting deported!!

Here he is. Look at the shocked look on the faces of David Dimbleby and the rest of the panel. Even panelist Suzanne Evans of UKIP was shocked and basically said what he was saying was a bit too extreme!


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[Yossarian]

^^^^ A brief transcript of what he was shouting.

The man piped up during the last show before the general election and appeared to call for mandatory deportation for immigrants who fail literacy and numeracy tests.

He said in his rant: "Now you realise immigration has destroyed the country, why don't you look back 10, 15 years (to) those applicants that came from India, Pakistan and Asian states, re-interview them and give them literacy and numeracy tests?

"It clearly means they went to bogus colleges. That's why the whole north of the UK is full of my community. Immigration has messed up the country because they have got the indefinite stay.

"Now this is not England any more, what country are we in?

 

[shaz619]

^^^^ A brief transcript of what he was shouting.

lol even the non-immigrants were booing him, wish that video was a bit longer so I could listen to the boo's a bit more. Am afraid there are a lot more people like him out there then we think, they have the most supreme inferior complex. He is basically the equivalent of the asians in the UK who hate Amir Khan.

 

[shaz619]

Tiger Tim Farron just gave the worst performance of his life in the Andrew Neill interview. I've seen some slimy politicians struggle to pitch themselves positively, but bloody hell that was bad - on another level!

Did he forget to memorise his punch lines? his party is all hype no substance, they're great for the bants but we can't have jokers run the country.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Good post bro! thanks for the insight as I don't follow the scene in Scotland as much, I do agree with you that in the grand scheme based on what you've said you'e better of voting for Labour given the capacity for more of an impact. I hope somehow Jeremy pulls of the win but if he is to do so the Scottish support can be pivotal besides all the youngsters he is relying on and they're quiet unpredictable although I expect a better turn out compared to the past

No worries bro

Seeing how recent votes have gone, nothing can be rules out and Jeremy win certainly can't be ruled out.

From a Scottish point of view - I guess a SNP-Labour coalition would be the best scenario to ensure we get what is best for the UK and what is best for Scotland - however, lets see how things pan out next week InshAllah

 

[TalhaSyed]

[MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION] , Shortbread : Tory
[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=107620]s28[/MENTION] Yossarian : Labour
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] : Lib dems
[MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] : SNP
[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] : GreenParty
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] : UKIP

We can have our very own debate here

Freeeeedom!!

We will have our 2nd referendum after Brexit

 

[shaz619]

No worries bro

Seeing how recent votes have gone, nothing can be rules out and Jeremy win certainly can't be ruled out.

From a Scottish point of view - I guess a SNP-Labour coalition would be the best scenario to ensure we get what is best for the UK and what is best for Scotland - however, lets see how things pan out next week InshAllah

Freeeeedom!!

We will have our 2nd referendum after Brexit

I think its on the cards, Jeremy went easy on the SNP bloke during the debate I smell an ALLIANCE.

I remember when you were in two minds about your referendum, I forgot what I said to you; may have been something along the lines that it would be in your interest to vote for independence but in our benefit if you wanted to stay with us. But voting for Scottish Labour now seems to be the way to go in the current climate

 

[TalhaSyed]

I think its on the cards, Jeremy went easy on the SNP bloke during the debate I smell an ALLIANCE.

I remember when you were in two minds about your referendum, I forgot what I said to you; may have been something along the lines that it would be in your interest to vote for independence but in our benefit if you wanted to stay with us. But voting for Scottish Labour now seems to be the way to go in the current climate

Yea that sounds about right man would agree with that

In 2015 SNP won 52% of votes with Labour coming in at second with 33% of votes. Will be interesting to see if Labour can get the seat this time.

You know I am torn though. I want Jeremy Corbyn in No.10 but I want SNP to represent my constituency

 

[s28]

Labour hit 40% in polls

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Ipsos Mori /Evening Standard Poll:<br><br>Conservatives: 45% (-4)<br>Labour: 40% (+6)<br>Lib Dm: 7% (=)<br><br>Tory lead down ten points to five. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GE2017?src=hash">#GE2017</a></p>— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/870589690424025088">2 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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[s28]

Today Theresa May ran off from doing Womans Hour interview

Craig McKinlay Tory charged with Election Fraud

I repeat...

I expect Labour to overtake Cons in polls soon

 

[shaz619]

Yea that sounds about right man would agree with that

In 2015 SNP won 52% of votes with Labour coming in at second with 33% of votes. Will be interesting to see if Labour can get the seat this time.

You know I am torn though. I want Jeremy Corbyn in No.10 but I want SNP to represent my constituency

Vote for Jeremy, if he loses I will move to Scotland and we'll take it from there

 

[TalhaSyed]

Vote for Jeremy, if he loses I will move to Scotland and we'll take it from there

Sounds like a plan

 

[the Great Khan]

Not the nation I recognise [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION].

if you noticed I said "voters" not the whole nation. Remember only 17% actually voted during the referendum and who knows what the turnout will be. But if we assume that young people do not come out to vote even though they say they will then the "british voter" will follow the pattern above. As a nation Britan is different to the voters in question. Hence why the polls have been so wrong in the last few years. Voters will not tell you the truth because they fear being ridiculed. In essence they know they are making a stupid choice but are too arrogant, ignorant or just brainwashed to be bothered to think why.

I could be proven totally wrong on June the 8th and would be happy to come here and say so but I dont think i will..

 

[the Great Khan]

Sounds like a plan

i actually seriously thought about this. There was a job going in edinburgh which i could have applied for but then where to stay? I thought Sterling seemed a nice place and the commute was an hour. Not sure about the inter weather though lol.

 

[s28]

Actually as I predicted Labour are now ahead in the underlying polling data

 

[TalhaSyed]

i actually seriously thought about this. There was a job going in edinburgh which i could have applied for but then where to stay? I thought Sterling seemed a nice place and the commute was an hour. Not sure about the inter weather though lol.

You are more than welcome bro!

Edinburgh is the best place to stay IMO. There are some very nice suburbs around Edinburgh and the city itself is amazing for me.

I stayed there for 5 years and loved it. Now I've moved out of Edinburgh, however, I still love visiting on weekends and spending time in the city

 

[the Great Khan]

You are more than welcome bro!

Edinburgh is the best place to stay IMO. There are some very nice suburbs around Edinburgh and the city itself is amazing for me.

I stayed there for 5 years and loved it. Now I've moved out of Edinburgh, however, I still love visiting on weekends and spending time in the city

where do you live now? I looked at potential suburbs. Unfortuantley i didnt apply in the end but if something comes up I may go for it..

 

[TalhaSyed]

where do you live now? I looked at potential suburbs. Unfortuantley i didnt apply in the end but if something comes up I may go for it..

Moved across to Fife - still very accessible to Edinburgh, however, in terms of property prices your money goes a lot further

Yea man - for sure - you should definitely consider the option

 

[Yossarian]

From the OP, when virtually every political pundit was forecasting Labour to be wiped out and the Tories getting a lead of 100 - 150+

I'm going to go against the general consensus and play the Devil's advocate:

[....]

Yes, Theresa May and the Tories will win. But not by the massive margins forecast, especially if the polls start to narrow. (Tories need a lead of around 9% ahead of Labour in the polls just to maintain their current 10 or so majority!)

UK bookies must be relieved that I'm not a betting man, and I chose to create a thread on PP rather than place some hefty bets at the fantastic odds they were offering at the time.

Just thought I'll blow my own trumpet!

 

[James]

Apparently TM is refusing to do any kind of radio interview with the BBC now. Something seriously rotten going on in the Tory campaign offices - do they not want her to win ?

 

[shaz619]

i actually seriously thought about this. There was a job going in edinburgh which i could have applied for but then where to stay? I thought Sterling seemed a nice place and the commute was an hour. Not sure about the inter weather though lol.

I wasn't joking either brother I think moving forward maybe things could be better in Scotland for me if I were to have a family and so on [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] I will be graduating soon god willing and am keeping my options open with regards to my future.
[MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] which area has all the nice pakistani restaurants in Scotland? must be where the asian community is based mostly. What are the people and area like where you live Talha ?

 

[s28]

Alastair Campbell's son

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[Markhor]

Hope Question Time have a balanced audience for tonight's May/Corbyn Q&A.

In 2015 it was rather biased against Miliband.

 

[Robert]

if you noticed I said "voters" not the whole nation. Remember only 17% actually voted during the referendum and who knows what the turnout will be. But if we assume that young people do not come out to vote even though they say they will then the "british voter" will follow the pattern above. As a nation Britan is different to the voters in question. Hence why the polls have been so wrong in the last few years. Voters will not tell you the truth because they fear being ridiculed. In essence they know they are making a stupid choice but are too arrogant, ignorant or just brainwashed to be bothered to think why.

I could be proven totally wrong on June the 8th and would be happy to come here and say so but I dont think i will..

Eh? The turnout was 72%.

Though I take the point that council estates who usually turn out at 25% were hitting 75%+ on 23/6/16. A lot of them did it to stick two fingers up at the "establishment". Some of them wanted to get rid of the foriegn Johnnies. Some of them didn't like to be told they were racist when they asked legitimate questions about immigration.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I met my local Labour member standing for election today. Total confidence in Labour winning the local seat now.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Apparently TM is refusing to do any kind of radio interview with the BBC now. Something seriously rotten going on in the Tory campaign offices - do they not want her to win ?

Really that is so strange. Someone running for PM is shunning the people who she wants votes from.

David Davis on QT last night claimed she wins every debate in the house all the time, laughable. However Davis is a very smart man, cunning and dishonest but a brilliant speaker and debater, he could have won this election if he stood for PM.

 

[James]

Really that is so strange. Someone running for PM is shunning the people who she wants votes from.

David Davis on QT last night claimed she wins every debate in the house all the time, laughable. However Davis is a very smart man, cunning and dishonest but a brilliant speaker and debater, he could have won this election if he stood for PM.

There are growing rumours on social media, mainly sparked by Conservative activists and internal white collars, that TM's inner circle (Davis, Boris, Amber Rudd) are already plotting their individual leadership bids in case the Tories lose.

 

[irfan]

Apparently TM is refusing to do any kind of radio interview with the BBC now. Something seriously rotten going on in the Tory campaign offices - do they not want her to win ?

The conspiracy theorist in me reckons the Tories deliberately want to lose, they know there's a massive financial crash looming on the horizon, irrespective of Brexit; we can already see the beginnings of a housing price crash as the hyper bubble that successive Nu Lab and Con governments stoked begins to deflate.They have run out of props (Quantitative Easing, artificially low interest rates, Funding Lending Scheme,Help to Buy) to stoke this bubble and we are looking at a global deflationary collapse. Also they know they can't deliver any meaningful Brexit without huge financial costs so better to leave it to Labour to clear the mess and take the blame eg loony left Marxist policies that will consign them to opposition for another generation and leave the Tories to come to the rescue in a few years time.

 

[irfan]

I don't believe they don't know the questions in advance.

 

[KingKhanWC]

There are growing rumours on social media, mainly sparked by Conservative activists and internal white collars, that TM's inner circle (Davis, Boris, Amber Rudd) are already plotting their individual leadership bids in case the Tories lose.

Interesting. Boris could win it, he's a character and so could Davis. I don't think Rudd would be backed by the Tory party. I'm guessing it was May's idea for a snap election as she thought she could secure a big majority and win almost all motions in the house. Now the Tories are seeing her gamble could fail, they will want to punish her for it.

 

[Robert]

Really that is so strange. Someone running for PM is shunning the people who she wants votes from.

David Davis on QT last night claimed she wins every debate in the house all the time, laughable. However Davis is a very smart man, cunning and dishonest but a brilliant speaker and debater, he could have won this election if he stood for PM.

He couldn't beat Cameron for Tory leadership. But the field is weaker this time.

 

[KingKhanWC]

He couldn't beat Cameron for Tory leadership. But the field is weaker this time.

Celebrity culture has a big influence in todays world , whether it's in the east of west. People don't just vote based on policies, experience or the skills of the candidate but how they come across. Young , fresh looking politicians have been doing well around the world unless they are totally rubbish, France is a great example. Now we have May v Corbyn both who are in the older generation but Corbyn is more witty, seems more down to Earth and connects more with the people. Majority of people who will be voting have not read any manifesto's or are not even clued upon the policies offered, just the few which are important to them, whether it's tax, nhs, foreign policy. Having said that I would say the British electorate is still far more knowledgeable than most places in the world.

 

[shaz619]

The conspiracy theorist in me reckons the Tories deliberately want to lose, they know there's a massive financial crash looming on the horizon, irrespective of Brexit; we can already see the beginnings of a housing price crash as the hyper bubble that successive Nu Lab and Con governments stoked begins to deflate.They have run out of props (Quantitative Easing, artificially low interest rates, Funding Lending Scheme,Help to Buy) to stoke this bubble and we are looking at a global deflationary collapse. Also they know they can't deliver any meaningful Brexit without huge financial costs so better to leave it to Labour to clear the mess and take the blame eg loony left Marxist policies that will consign them to opposition for another generation and leave the Tories to come to the rescue in a few years time.

What do you make of this theory [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] it has been mentioned before, would a respectable Labour defeat be as good as a victory? Due to future economic projections from various corners

 

[Markhor]

May getting grilled from two audience members about Work Capability assessments on the Question Time special.

Been a more assured performance from her than the Sky/C4 programme.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Jezza is so assured and prepared......,. Wow

 

[irfan]

Corbyn is being examined way more in depth than May, with her Dimbelby structured all questions around themes with him it's just ad hoc disparate questions but he is doing well.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What do you make of this theory [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] it has been mentioned before, would a respectable Labour defeat be as good as a victory? Due to future economic projections from various corners

We don't know when, in 5 or 10 years but imo a massive economic collapse worse than 2008 is on the cards. I think they are just shocked Corbyn has had a huge surge. They must of thought this 'scruffy' left winger will be help them give a massive majority which is not going to happen now.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Corbyn is being examined way more in depth than May, with her Dimbelby structured all questions around themes with him it's just ad hoc disparate questions but he is doing well.

Trust the BBC to plant an antisemtic rant questioner to Corbyn.

 

[Yossarian]

I thought, in general overall, the grilling by the audience was very tame, almost non-existant. Hence although Corbyn did better, Theresa May didn't completely fall apart which would have been the case had she been challenged more and put under pressure. She was, in essence, allowed to do a Party Political Broadcast with her responses.

Disappointed with the whole program overall. Makes me wonder if the audience members were too carefully chosen such that none were the aggressive type in their questioning.

 

[shaz619]

We don't know when, in 5 or 10 years but imo a massive economic collapse worse than 2008 is on the cards. I think they are just shocked Corbyn has had a huge surge. They must of thought this 'scruffy' left winger will be help them give a massive majority which is not going to happen now.

Best to maximise our time moving forward to create a safety net which would take care of our family's

 

[shaz619]

Just watching QT now, May has that "how dare you have the audacity to ask me these questions who do these little bugs think they are" look on her face every time a question is raised and then she does that fake/forced joker like smile before she begins accumulating lies