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His fans always have plethora of excuses to back him whenever he fails to do something notable with the bat

Often the excuses go something like...

  • He is not utilized properly by his captain
  • He is told to bat defensively and not play his natural game
  • He is not batting at his correct position
  • We shall not blame Umar because he is being managed by incompetent bunch

(You can add more to above list!)

But now what?

Brendon McCullum is praised by everyone for his "aggressive captaincy" yet the chosen one is up to no good

His scores in this edition of PSL

0, 35, 0, 25, 17 at average of 15.4.
 
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Oh . . you missed the biggest one . . i come lower down the order so I can't establish myself!!

Like come on!! it seems like the whole world has conspired against him!!

Just not good enough unfortauntely . . its been 8 years!! Like COME ON!!!

EIGHT YEARS!
 
Not to worry. Akmal fan boys will give you a long list of excuses. One of them will be that at least he looks good while playing shots.
 
He is just an ordinary player like many others from Pakistan. He definitely got the talent when he came, but rather than working on it he decided to be lazy and now he is finished and completely useless.

I dont think likes of Umar and Shahzad can be improved into something useful sooner we realise this better it would be for Pakistan cricket.
 
Ah but it's Misbah's fault that he has not been able to score consistently throughout his career.

#MisbahsFault
 
You want him to score 50 off 50 like Azhar Ali? He's doing his job. He plays in a batting lineup with a lot of firepower, there's no reason to hold back. If he gets out doing so then be it.
 
He was benched in last few matches in BPL also !! Where he was captained by another agressive & 2 time worldcup winning captain Darren Samy !!! He is simply not good enough! !!
 
You want him to score 50 off 50 like Azhar Ali? He's doing his job. He plays in a batting lineup with a lot of firepower, there's no reason to hold back. If he gets out doing so then be it.

1 6 and 1 4 in 14 balls. Not sure if 17 runs of 14 balls in T20s qualifies as he is doing his job.
 
Misbah's telepathic powers are destroying future Miandad's career.
 
producing runs takes more than just fancy stroke play. Akmal doesn't use his mind, and I don't think his batting has much confidence

Along with Junaid and Hafeez, he should be permanently dropped from the Pak setup
 
producing runs takes more than just fancy stroke play. Akmal doesn't use his mind, and I don't think his batting has much confidence

Along with Junaid and Hafeez, he should be permanently dropped from the Pak setup

He managed to use his mind last tournament. Did you watch?
 
His fans always have plethora of excuses to back him whenever he fails to do something notable with the bat

Often the excuses go something like...

  • He is not utilized properly by his captain
  • He is told to bat defensively and not play his natural game
  • He is not batting at his correct position
  • We shall not blame Umar because he is being managed by incompetent bunch

(You can add more to above list!)

But now what?

Brendon McCullum is praised by everyone for his "aggressive captaincy" yet the chosen one is up to no good

His scores in this edition of PSL

0, 35, 0, 25, 17 at average of 15.4.

Just to signify how much Umar currently needs to improve is his SR of 122 this tournament, really poor for someone who is not even averaging 16.
 
Last year? So he should be praised based on old performances? What has he done since?

Re-read the post I quoted. He says producing runs requires a sound mind and not just fancy strokeplay which he claims Akmal doesn't have. How then did he manage to top score in the tournament?
 
He is struggling & looked awfully over weight - but the "Attacking Captain" has nothing to do in it. Last year he played under Azhar & was comfortably the best batsman of PSL. I think, he is trying too hard to match his last year, which back fires when you are not in good touch & unfit.
 
Re-read the post I quoted. He says producing runs requires a sound mind and not just fancy strokeplay which he claims Akmal doesn't have. How then did he manage to top score in the tournament?

Again referring to last year. Where is the sound mind this year?

Look Umar has potential..we all know that...what he lacks is brains and temperament...or maybe he is simply ordinary. I maintain that he is Kamran Akmal v2.
 
Talent without hunger and intelligence is wasted and Umar Akmal is well on the way to being in the same bracket is Farhat, Nazir etc. Just as a side note, i heard from a good source what an absolute tool he was at Leicester last year.
 
He is simply not a good batsman. Don't tell me otherwise. Never have I seen such a poor player get so much backing from the fans. He is very poor and I personally love watching him fail.
 
In any act of life . . you can either have excuses, or results! We know which boat Umar Akmal lies in . .

Any person who thinks 8 years isn't enough to cement yourself as a half decent and consistent contributor is delusional . . there are no 2 ways about!

Coming in at number 4, he is not supposed to be scoring at an average of 16 . .
In the recently concluded series against Australia, he also got a chance to bat with many overs to spare . .

If thats the level that we want him to perform at, then great! his fans are also finding excuses and justifying his performances!
 
In any act of life . . you can either have excuses, or results! We know which boat Umar Akmal lies in . .

Any person who thinks 8 years isn't enough to cement yourself as a half decent and consistent contributor is delusional . . there are no 2 ways about!

Coming in at number 4, he is not supposed to be scoring at an average of 16 . .
In the recently concluded series against Australia, he also got a chance to bat with many overs to spare . .

If thats the level that we want him to perform at, then great! his fans are also finding excuses and justifying his performances!

And from what I have read and seen . .

Umar Akmal is not a failure because of lack of talent! He has immense talent as the world has recognized over the last 8 years . . he has failed because of his attitude, his carelessness, his lack of hunger/zest . . his poor work ethic! which makes him all the more frustrating!

As Sangakkara said yesterday about Babar Azam in the post match conference . . with talent you can get to the national set up . . what you do after is highly dependent on how hard you work!

Virat Kohli is a prime example of someone who had immense talent, but in the words of Yuvraj Singh . . " i have never seen anyone work harder than Virat Kohli"
 
Again referring to last year. Where is the sound mind this year?

Look Umar has potential..we all know that...what he lacks is brains and temperament...or maybe he is simply ordinary. I maintain that he is Kamran Akmal v2.

Again, you're struggling to understand that I specifically responded to the point raised.
 
Running out of excuses but opening is the last throw of the dice. With Sharjeel and Khalid out of the picture, Azhar on borrowed time and Sami proving that he is not cut for Limited Overs, there is a vacancy for Umar.

Some of his wild slogs will land in no man's land in PP overs, but then again, I have lost count of the number of times he has been dismissed in the PP overs in his career and that is a point that people (who are advocating him to open) have failed to consider.

I think it is delusional to think that this mental midget will become a superstar if he opens, but I am hopeful that will get better value for his attacking instincts than he does in the middle-order. I don't mind him at 6 though, but I'm done with the idea of him batting at 3/4/5. You need to be able to construct your innings at those positions, something Umar is clueless at.

Give him 10-15 matches as opener, and if he doesn't click, dump him for good.
 
McCullum is a bit aggressive as a captain, but not as much as some make him out to be. He is no Ponting, Smith or Kohli.
 
McCullum is a bit aggressive as a captain, but not as much as some make him out to be. He is no Ponting, Smith or Kohli.

He is very aggressive...

Ponting has controlled aggression, more than that the team he had is full of talented players,

Smith is just an ordinary captain... Kohli and Smith has a long way to go to be compared with BMac..

Only Dhoni and Ponting are class above him...
 
He is very aggressive...

Ponting has controlled aggression, more than that the team he had is full of talented players,

Smith is just an ordinary captain... Kohli and Smith has a long way to go to be compared with BMac..

Only Dhoni and Ponting are class above him...

Bro I meant Graeme Smith.

McCullum is a very attacking captain. He almost always has the field in which means he is both looking for wickets and stopping run flow at the same time. An aggressive captain would go for wickets without caring for runs scored. Which means he would put awkward field placings and taking risks for the sake of bowling the other team out. McCullum does do this, but not as much as the names I mentioned.
 
McCullum is a bit aggressive as a captain, but not as much as some make him out to be. He is no Ponting, Smith or Kohli.

Are you making a general point or trying to say that Mc Cullam is not correctly aggressive for Akmal to perform ?
 
Are you making a general point or trying to say that Mc Cullam is not correctly aggressive for Akmal to perform ?

I am basically telling OP- Abdul that his point is somewhat invalid b/c Baz is not a full-on aggressive captain.

Not defending Akmal at all.
 
When he has failed it has never been the captains fault. It's only his fault and no one else's.
 
He is officially a TTF now. Most likely done. Only chance to do well is to open.
 
If you look back at his recent decline, it was his disastrous decision to give up the WK to get big bro into the team as the Keep. The WK masked his batting deficiencies as he had the WK string to his bow, and hence when he failed it was percieved as total failure.
Unfortunately for the Akmals, Sarfraz put end to this mediocre cabal.
 
So far, he has looked very good in his initial bursts and that big score maybe just around the corner.

He hasn't looked out of touch or scratched around and has been middling the ball.
 
Running out of excuses but opening is the last throw of the dice. With Sharjeel and Khalid out of the picture, Azhar on borrowed time and Sami proving that he is not cut for Limited Overs, there is a vacancy for Umar.

Some of his wild slogs will land in no man's land in PP overs, but then again, I have lost count of the number of times he has been dismissed in the PP overs in his career and that is a point that people (who are advocating him to open) have failed to consider.

I think it is delusional to think that this mental midget will become a superstar if he opens, but I am hopeful that will get better value for his attacking instincts than he does in the middle-order. I don't mind him at 6 though, but I'm done with the idea of him batting at 3/4/5. You need to be able to construct your innings at those positions, something Umar is clueless at.

Give him 10-15 matches as opener, and if he doesn't click, dump him for good.

Apart from Kami and Umar, we had Sharjeel who could take the attack to the bowlers.

They both can be dumped, but for whom? There's no one in domestics who is a good hitter - apart from what we know about Shahzaib. And Fakhar who doesn't look very promising, but is an option.

PPers will make you believe that we have a huge talent supply with strikers of the ball waiting in line to replace Umar/Kami, but sadly we don't.
 
Bro I meant Graeme Smith.

McCullum is a very attacking captain. He almost always has the field in which means he is both looking for wickets and stopping run flow at the same time. An aggressive captain would go for wickets without caring for runs scored. Which means he would put awkward field placings and taking risks for the sake of bowling the other team out. McCullum does do this, but not as much as the names I mentioned.

if u had watched him defend 59 runs against PZ then you wouldnt have said this... Today they lost due to 2 bad overs from Narine and Irfan Jr.which cost them 47 runs in 2 overs is just poor bowling... he cant set fields for sixers..
 
He is struggling & looked awfully over weight - but the "Attacking Captain" has nothing to do in it. Last year he played under Azhar & was comfortably the best batsman of PSL. I think, he is trying too hard to match his last year, which back fires when you are not in good touch & unfit.

This post needs to be highlighted, I think everyone has missed this point perhaps very intentionally. You see last season Umar was scoring runs but the complaints remained, oh well this will be short lived; and now that he isn't performing he ought to be heavily criticised also due to past transgressions because his good form has not always transferred from domestic to internationals.

One thing we can all agree on is that Umar has been better at the domestic level rather then at the international level, so for him to be failing here despite all external factors there ought to be something wrong right? because it's not just a matter of batting position, captain, self-evaluation etc we need to look at Umar individually, and if we do so objectively we would be able to deduce that he is in awful shape, the timing is not there and he is generally just out of touch. It doesn't matter which position you have him or get the best captain, when you're not taking care of yourself and struggling for form then you're not really going to perform irrespective of x,y or z in your favour.

For him to get back to his best even by his standards! i.e perform very well at the domestic level and inconsistent at the international level with some match winnings knocks every now and then he needs to work extremely hard on his fitness and get some of his confidence back by playing club games before getting back to the FC level, also needs to listen to his coach's. Then the Umar Akmal that we know off would be back! and we can speak of various scenario's in terms of how best to utilise him, e.g some of you have mentioned trying him up the order; but right now, there is nothing of Umar Akmal to begin with.
 
if u had watched him defend 59 runs against PZ then you wouldnt have said this... Today they lost due to 2 bad overs from Narine and Irfan Jr.which cost them 47 runs in 2 overs is just poor bowling... he cant set fields for sixers..

Bro everybody looks aggressive defending 59.
 
This post needs to be highlighted, I think everyone has missed this point perhaps very intentionally. You see last season Umar was scoring runs but the complaints remained, oh well this will be short lived; and now that he isn't performing he ought to be heavily criticised also due to past transgressions because his good form has not always transferred from domestic to internationals.

One thing we can all agree on is that Umar has been better at the domestic level rather then at the international level, so for him to be failing here despite all external factors there ought to be something wrong right? because it's not just a matter of batting position, captain, self-evaluation etc we need to look at Umar individually, and if we do so objectively we would be able to deduce that he is in awful shape, the timing is not there and he is generally just out of touch. It doesn't matter which position you have him or get the best captain, when you're not taking care of yourself and struggling for form then you're not really going to perform irrespective of x,y or z in your favour.

For him to get back to his best even by his standards! i.e perform very well at the domestic level and inconsistent at the international level with some match winnings knocks every now and then he needs to work extremely hard on his fitness and get some of his confidence back by playing club games before getting back to the FC level, also needs to listen to his coach's. Then the Umar Akmal that we know off would be back! and we can speak of various scenario's in terms of how best to utilise him, e.g some of you have mentioned trying him up the order; but right now, there is nothing of Umar Akmal to begin with.

Everything accepted, but at this age and almost a decade in International cricket - First thing he has to do is accept it's his own short comings. I don't think this guy ever self evaluated or given a sniff of chance that I might be wrong myself. Even today, I am sure he'll say that the long on fielder hold on to my catch but there are many catches dropped!!!

Dropping him from squad is not the best idea, because I do believe he is definitely among top 2/3 players in PAK - may be only behind Babar, YK & now Sarfu. Neither he'll improve from domestics, because of the gap in level of PAK domestics & International cricket. Best medicine for him could be hurting his ego - carry him as a squad member, put his under toughest training, extra hours in nets & keeping practice - then make him 12th man. PAK almost always either has dropped Umar from squad or has played him in XI regardless of form or fitness (shape) - which allowed his constant whining & he never felt that he is just a common player, not someone to be pampered for being extra talented.

Watching him in AUS first time, I almost thought that PCB has made a mistake in identity or Akmal brothers have faked documents for Kamran to fly for Junior.
 
first of all he is not that big and influential player to be discussed continuously.

he was good when he started his career. but instead of improving he thought that he doesn't need improvement. he then only live by the delusional fans and our corrupt system where he drafted in the ODI team without playing domestic ODI tournament.

i do not understand why its so hard to move on from both akmals then i see how its almost impossible to get rid of corrupt elite in pakistan. akmal clan is no different than our corrupt establishment.

i will not be surprised if both brothers will be playing for pak again despite their horrible performance in psl.
 
You want him to score 50 off 50 like Azhar Ali? He's doing his job. He plays in a batting lineup with a lot of firepower, there's no reason to hold back. If he gets out doing so then be it.

Yup he's playing according to what his team requires. Also we're only half way through the tournament. Not to mention he was highest scorer last time.
 
Running out of excuses but opening is the last throw of the dice. With Sharjeel and Khalid out of the picture, Azhar on borrowed time and Sami proving that he is not cut for Limited Overs, there is a vacancy for Umar.

Some of his wild slogs will land in no man's land in PP overs, but then again, I have lost count of the number of times he has been dismissed in the PP overs in his career and that is a point that people (who are advocating him to open) have failed to consider.

I think it is delusional to think that this mental midget will become a superstar if he opens, but I am hopeful that will get better value for his attacking instincts than he does in the middle-order. I don't mind him at 6 though, but I'm done with the idea of him batting at 3/4/5. You need to be able to construct your innings at those positions, something Umar is clueless at.

Give him 10-15 matches as opener, and if he doesn't click, dump him for good.

He must open in Limited Overs for Pakistan. We don't have any better options
 
He must open in Limited Overs for Pakistan. We don't have any better options

Bro I want to see how Shahzaib goes before trying Umar. Sad that KK dropped him. But maybe Umar will open next game because Roy is gone, McCullum doesn't want to bat, and they want a left-hand/right-hand combo opening. After all, he did do okay in CPL as opener and batted at 3 in this game. David Warner the biggest hack on the planet opens in Test match so can't see why Umar shouldn't in T20s.
 
Bro I want to see how Shahzaib goes before trying Umar. Sad that KK dropped him. But maybe Umar will open next game because Roy is gone, McCullum doesn't want to bat, and they want a left-hand/right-hand combo opening. After all, he did do okay in CPL as opener and batted at 3 in this game. David Warner the biggest hack on the planet opens in Test match so can't see why Umar shouldn't in T20s.
I see... You are suggesting to open with Umar Akmal when your team is below Lahore, so Umar can contribute to taking Lahore to 5th and Karachi to 4th.:inti

Some 4d chess going on here.:inzi

Cunning and smart people.:shafiq2
 
Everything accepted, but at this age and almost a decade in International cricket - First thing he has to do is accept it's his own short comings. I don't think this guy ever self evaluated or given a sniff of chance that I might be wrong myself. Even today, I am sure he'll say that the long on fielder hold on to my catch but there are many catches dropped!!!

Dropping him from squad is not the best idea, because I do believe he is definitely among top 2/3 players in PAK - may be only behind Babar, YK & now Sarfu. Neither he'll improve from domestics, because of the gap in level of PAK domestics & International cricket. Best medicine for him could be hurting his ego - carry him as a squad member, put his under toughest training, extra hours in nets & keeping practice - then make him 12th man. PAK almost always either has dropped Umar from squad or has played him in XI regardless of form or fitness (shape) - which allowed his constant whining & he never felt that he is just a common player, not someone to be pampered for being extra talented.

Watching him in AUS first time, I almost thought that PCB has made a mistake in identity or Akmal brothers have faked documents for Kamran to fly for Junior.

I agree with that, they should rehabilitate him from within their setup; it would probably produce better and faster results. That is another issue he needs to work on which has been pointed out numerously, the man just has no capacity for self reflection and accountability; he has the worst victim mentality I've ever seen.
 
first of all he is not that big and influential player to be discussed continuously.

he was good when he started his career. but instead of improving he thought that he doesn't need improvement. he then only live by the delusional fans and our corrupt system where he drafted in the ODI team without playing domestic ODI tournament.

i do not understand why its so hard to move on from both akmals then i see how its almost impossible to get rid of corrupt elite in pakistan. akmal clan is no different than our corrupt establishment.

i will not be surprised if both brothers will be playing for pak again despite their horrible performance in psl.

THIS!
He's the most talked about failed player here, people talk about him more than Babar:inzi
So much talent that it's canceling the talent out inside him
instead of developing he's getting worse and worse:))
 
A useless player who never was good enough.

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You want him to score 50 off 50 like Azhar Ali? He's doing his job. He plays in a batting lineup with a lot of firepower, there's no reason to hold back. If he gets out doing so then be it.

Averaging 15 is doing his job?


Akmal fans at it again.


#Blatantlying
 
Akmal fans can't get this in their mind that Akmal is a very poor player, and at the rate he's going, he'll never be a good one.
 
Averaging 15 is doing his job?


Akmal fans at it again.


#Blatantlying
His captain has told him to play his natural game. Why would he then nudge the ball around and construct an innings? There are only 20 overs and they have an explosive lineup. He'd be wasting balls that other batsmen can play better on that day.
 
Ah but it's Misbah's fault that he has not been able to score consistently throughout his career.

#MisbahsFault

He is more talented then Kohli but since he never got to play at Home he was unable to convert his talent into consistent performances.

If only:

PSL was in Lahore
In September
In Lahore Gymkhana Ground
Under Mcculum
On a True Pitch
And he batted at Number 3

He would be consistent
 
He is more talented then Kohli but since he never got to play at Home he was unable to convert his talent into consistent performances.

If only:

PSL was in Lahore
In September
In Lahore Gymkhana Ground
Under Mcculum
On a True Pitch
And he batted at Number 3

He would be consistent

To add to that, if only:

- All the fielders put butter on their hands so they drop all the chances he gives them.
- All the opposition bowlers get a stomach flu the night before the match, so that the batsmen have to bowl
- The umpires have a workers strike, and Kamran akmal has to fill in as umpire for the day


Then he would be really consistent.
 
He managed to use his mind last tournament. Did you watch?

if you stop performing at work, and your boss asks you about it. You should try telling him about your work last year

see how that goes. That's how the real world works
 
Akmal should go to domestic cricket and should be dropped from team as of now. Someone who is performing must be picked in place of him. As some posters have mentioned I think fakhar sounds like a deserving player. You need to try players to build a solid bunch. Don't know till when are you gonna say that he can't be replaced because there are no replacement for him
 
have seen enough to pass the judgement that its not captains problem . this player has his own issues
 
He should be given the marching orders and clear instructions to work on his flaws in first class games and the only format he should be considered for the national team is Test Matches, he looked completely out of place in terms of balance, excessive shuffling at the crease, non-existent footwork and like all Pakistani batsmen dud against spin.
 
So far, he has looked very good in his initial bursts and that big score maybe just around the corner.

He hasn't looked out of touch or scratched around and has been middling the ball.

isnt that worse? Most batsmen use the chance when they are in touch to score big. He is still throwing it away. That is why people are talking about his shot selection and temprament
 
isnt that worse? Most batsmen use the chance when they are in touch to score big. He is still throwing it away. That is why people are talking about his shot selection and temprament

He is talented though so who cares about shot selection & temperament?
 
Akmal fans fast running out of excuses here.

He may have looked the real deal at the start of his career,but now he should be classed as a TTF.Enough is enough.Has been playing for almost 8 years yet has failed to cement his place in the team.
 
if i was inzimam and mickey i would actually go to bmac at the end of the tournament, take him in confidence and and ask him "what have u made of umar in ur 8 weeks with him? is there a consistent loi player in him? where would he best be used? does he have the focus n hunger a 26 y old should have for the game? wouod he get into a nz team if u were still captain"

if u ask bmac now he will say positive things because he is hoping 4 performance, so in confidence after its all over
 
McCullum is a bit aggressive as a captain, but not as much as some make him out to be. He is no Ponting, Smith or Kohli.

shows u got no idea about cricket, Clarke was the only one that was aggressive after Bmac, ponting just had a strong team and was a good leader, but the best onfield captain was mccullum
 
isnt that worse? Most batsmen use the chance when they are in touch to score big. He is still throwing it away. That is why people are talking about his shot selection and temprament

No, not at all.

This has happened many times, where a batsman has been middling the ball and looks in good touch, but the big score has eluded them.

KP proved yesterday, whether you're middling it or not, won't matter in T20's because you can still score big.
 
Leave him alone, he's scoring crucial 25s in couple of overs in the latter stages of the innings which is good enough for the captain to keep him in the team.
 
his release shots are mostly slogs. is unable to play the field. has regressed as a cricketer and continues to go on the negative downward spiral.
 
JP Dumminy's equivalent of Pakistan i might say.
One had one good tour of Australia the other in NZ.
Both have been living of those tours 8 years down the road.
 
He is more talented then Kohli but since he never got to play at Home he was unable to convert his talent into consistent performances.

If only:

PSL was in Lahore
In September
In Lahore Gymkhana Ground
Under Mcculum
On a True Pitch
And he batted at Number 3

He would be consistent

Atleast now he has the best excuse to never perform ,"unable to play at home consistently".
 
JP Dumminy's equivalent of Pakistan i might say.
One had one good tour of Australia the other in NZ.
Both have been living of those tours 8 years down the road.

Duminy has won a lot more matches for SA than Akmal for Pakistan.
 
McCullum suits U. Akmal. But people are very naive if they expect a fifty every game from U. Akmal. He will still do well in one out of three games which is pretty ok for PSL standards for a Pakistani bat. I think he already won them one game last week.

Stop expecting wonders from U. Akmal. Till we do not have a better attacking middle order bat he will have his chances though.
 
Played brilliantly today. Best knock by a Pakistani batsman in this PSL along with Babars
 
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