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"Umar Akmal is working hard, he just needs an opportunity" : Kamran Akmal

A good portion of that are Bhakths who can't support inclusion of a player who could snatch Sarfraz's spot as WK-batsman in LO team.

He would have been playing for Pakistan if he could keep wickets. Umar Akmal as a WK batsman gives far greater balance to our side as compared to Sarfaraz. But Umar is not a wicket keeper and does not want to become either. In last PSL, he kept wickets in the first match and he was so mediocre that LQ had to play your favourite 'Dinesh Ramdin':P.

So is Umar good enough to play as a specialist batsman ?
 
He would have been playing for Pakistan if he could keep wickets. Umar Akmal as a WK batsman gives far greater balance to our side as compared to Sarfaraz. But Umar is not a wicket keeper and does not want to become either. In last PSL, he kept wickets in the first match and he was so mediocre that LQ had to play your favourite 'Dinesh Ramdin':P.

So is Umar good enough to play as a specialist batsman ?
He is not even good enough to play as a specialist railu katta. People need to move on from Umar Akmal.

Saud Shakeel and Saad Ali should be the next debuts for Pakistan. But ideally after the World Cup now.
 
He would have been playing for Pakistan if he could keep wickets. Umar Akmal as a WK batsman gives far greater balance to our side as compared to Sarfaraz. But Umar is not a wicket keeper and does not want to become either. In last PSL, he kept wickets in the first match and he was so mediocre that LQ had to play your favourite 'Dinesh Ramdin':P.

So is Umar good enough to play as a specialist batsman ?

More than anyone bar Babar - and you know, I am old enough not to be impressed with his floating eyes (or size), I am not his agent, neither he is my brother in law. But, I have seen cricket, lots of it - and I don't get impressed with 3 minutes clip or 2-3 sixes. In this pathetic PAK side (sorry, couldn't resist - still we are rejoicing that win against NZ, and arguing what could have been, without rain in desert.... that sets the standard & expectation), he'll be MVP in LO game and walk in to that Test side, which celebrates taking Test into Day 4.
 
Lets be realistic.

Thats his only place and Sarfraz isnt going anywhere.

So thats why I dont agree with him wasting another spot instead of Sarfraz.

You are in the 2nd state of denial Dr. First was not even ready to hear his name - now you have come to the state of giving a thought - why & how ...... by WC (and God forbid after WC), you'll complete the cycle.

I actually say opposite - Umar has several places in this squad, most notably the 2nd WK's spot, who has to be a batsman good enough to make 15 men squad as specialist bat. In a WC of 9 games in 29-35 days, you have to take one back-up WK, but for a 15-16 men squad, you can't waste a spot for a specialist WK, who might not be required at all. SO, every team, barring PAK has at least 1 batsman who can keep and confirmed in playing XI on batting merit - BD has Liton/Zakir, Kiwis have Latham/And couple of guys forgot name, SAF has Klassen/Kok, Srilanka has 2-3, WI has Dorwich/Hope, IND has DK/Pant; ZIM has Taylor, AUS has Mcdermott/Handscomb, Poms have at least 3 ........ PAK is true Muslim in this regard - believes in single death - so you have one & only Sarfraz. Umar Akmal fits in PAK LO squad like how the bottom of a bucket fits in the groove.

Sarfraz will go - better for PAK if it's before WC. Three months back, I had to convince lots of passionate posters here that for a cricket mad country of 23 crore, among 1000+ pro cricketers, if there is no alternative of a bang average, unfit, over aged and clueless WK Captain - then PAK cricket should stop, and we shouldn't waste time in PP. Now, Bhakts do agree that Rizwan can be an alternate .............. let the SAF & ENG series end - there will be a cue behind me. Here, I am just asking PCB not to get caught with pants down, 15 days before WC.
 
More than anyone bar Babar - and you know, I am old enough not to be impressed with his floating eyes (or size), I am not his agent, neither he is my brother in law. But, I have seen cricket, lots of it - and I don't get impressed with 3 minutes clip or 2-3 sixes. In this pathetic PAK side (sorry, couldn't resist - still we are rejoicing that win against NZ, and arguing what could have been, without rain in desert.... that sets the standard & expectation), he'll be MVP in LO game and walk in to that Test side, which celebrates taking Test into Day 4.

Why do you think that Umar Akmal will succeed this time ? Is there any specific reason or just your gut feeling ? I don't mind him batting at 5 or 6 if Talat fails in this SA series (provided he gets any chance) but I won't be expecting too much from Umar.
 
Why do you think that Umar Akmal will succeed this time ? Is there any specific reason or just your gut feeling ? I don't mind him batting at 5 or 6 if Talat fails in this SA series (provided he gets any chance) but I won't be expecting too much from Umar.

I'll try to answer with a story, that one of my trainer started in a session (Guy is one of world's top pro trainer on corporate strategy) -

"If you have a piece of rot iron, may be with proper melting and tempering you can make a sword out of that piece, because still it has some iron in it. But, bring the best iron-smith in world and give him a piece of wood, be sandal wood - he won't be able to make a pencil cutter out of it; because iron is iron & wood is wood".

Moral of the story is, Umar is loha (iron), you can clean the rust and make better use of it, at least you have a realistic chance - can't say that for few others picked before him. The sort of amazing shots that he can play can be a dream for some of the regular players in PAK team (with Josh Butler clones in it ...), and he is by far the best back-foot player in PAK since the man not selecting him now. By now, probably you do realize why playing on back-foot should be valued with a little more respect by PAK, after watching the UAE heroes against Olivier.
 
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The hate he gets on this forum is OTT. Yes he did deserve to be dropped because of his bad run of form from the 2015 WC up until the 2016 WT20.

However many seem to overlook the fact that Misbah (along with Waqar) played a big part of his regression. Firstly after a successful away leg (in Eng, Aus and NZ), Misbah thought it was wise to choose a timid Shafiq over Umar Akmal as a long term investment - truly a selection which haunts us to this very day.

Secondly, he was never a number 6 lower order hitter but Misbah and Waqar had a phobia for opting for non-defensive batsmen at the top of the order. Although a mediocre player, they also did this to Maqsood after a string of good performances at number 3.

Umar was then excluded from the 2013 CT squad over raw mediocre players like Umar Amin despite being the best batsman for the side in ICC events from the 2010 WT20 to the 2014 WT20. Consequently Pakistan had the worst ICC tournament in their entire history six years ago losing every single game.

In the last 20 years this was the only tournament held in England where Pakistan had failed to reach the semis out of the 5 tournaments played during this period - 1999 WC, 2004 CT, 2009 WT20, 2013 WT20 and 2017 CT. This gives a very revealing picture of how shoddy the captaincy was especially with the selections made. Umar Akmal may not have made a difference under a useless ODI captain however his firepower against pace bowling was sorely missed in the side.

Overall his unjust exclusions contributed to his lack of motivation in the following years to come. But it isn't too late, a good PSL along with his domestic form and proven fitness should be suffice for his much needed return in this minnow batting line up that looks so toothless against pace.
 
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The hate he gets on this forum is OTT. Yes he did deserve to be dropped because of his bad run of form from the 2015 WC up until the 2016 WT20.

However many seem to overlook the fact that Misbah (along with Waqar) played a big part of his regression. Firstly after a successful away leg (in Eng, Aus and NZ), Misbah thought it was wise to choose a timid Shafiq over Umar Akmal as a long term investment - truly a selection which haunts us to this very day.

Secondly, he was never a number 6 lower order hitter but Misbah and Waqar had a phobia for opting for non-defensive batsmen at the top of the order. Although a mediocre player, they also did this to Maqsood after a string of good performances at number 3.

Umar was then excluded from the 2013 CT squad over raw mediocre players like Umar Amin despite being the best batsman for the side in ICC events from the 2010 WT20 to the 2014 WT20. Consequently Pakistan had the worst ICC tournament in their entire history six years ago losing every single game.

In the last 20 years this was the only tournament held in England where Pakistan had failed to reach the semis out of the 5 tournaments played during this period - 1999 WC, 2004 CT, 2009 WT20, 2013 WT20 and 2017 CT. This gives a very revealing picture of how shoddy the captaincy was especially with the selections made. Umar Akmal may not have made a difference under a useless ODI captain however his firepower against pace bowling was sorely missed in the side.

Overall his unjust exclusions contributed to his lack of motivation in the following years to come. But it isn't too late, a good PSL along with his domestic form and proven fitness should be suffice for his much needed return in this minnow batting line up that looks so toothless against pace.

So, where's the ray of hope coming from for a fat, unfit, undisciplined player who has now failed playing more multiple captains including in the psl./
 
The hate he gets on this forum is OTT. Yes he did deserve to be dropped because of his bad run of form from the 2015 WC up until the 2016 WT20.

However many seem to overlook the fact that Misbah (along with Waqar) played a big part of his regression. Firstly after a successful away leg (in Eng, Aus and NZ), Misbah thought it was wise to choose a timid Shafiq over Umar Akmal as a long term investment - truly a selection which haunts us to this very day.

Secondly, he was never a number 6 lower order hitter but Misbah and Waqar had a phobia for opting for non-defensive batsmen at the top of the order. Although a mediocre player, they also did this to Maqsood after a string of good performances at number 3.

Umar was then excluded from the 2013 CT squad over raw mediocre players like Umar Amin despite being the best batsman for the side in ICC events from the 2010 WT20 to the 2014 WT20. Consequently Pakistan had the worst ICC tournament in their entire history six years ago losing every single game.

In the last 20 years this was the only tournament held in England where Pakistan had failed to reach the semis out of the 5 tournaments played during this period - 1999 WC, 2004 CT, 2009 WT20, 2013 WT20 and 2017 CT. This gives a very revealing picture of how shoddy the captaincy was especially with the selections made. Umar Akmal may not have made a difference under a useless ODI captain however his firepower against pace bowling was sorely missed in the side.

Overall his unjust exclusions contributed to his lack of motivation in the following years to come. But it isn't too late, a good PSL along with his domestic form and proven fitness should be suffice for his much needed return in this minnow batting line up that looks so toothless against pace.

It's not really his performances that deserve hate, it's his poor discipline and all the stupid off field stuff he has done
 
Ungrateful brat who should be kept away from NCA too & for The deluded who are waiting for a second coming.. please wake up 🤦🏽*♂️
 
The hate he gets on this forum is OTT. Yes he did deserve to be dropped because of his bad run of form from the 2015 WC up until the 2016 WT20.

However many seem to overlook the fact that Misbah (along with Waqar) played a big part of his regression. Firstly after a successful away leg (in Eng, Aus and NZ), Misbah thought it was wise to choose a timid Shafiq over Umar Akmal as a long term investment - truly a selection which haunts us to this very day.

Secondly, he was never a number 6 lower order hitter but Misbah and Waqar had a phobia for opting for non-defensive batsmen at the top of the order. Although a mediocre player, they also did this to Maqsood after a string of good performances at number 3.

Umar was then excluded from the 2013 CT squad over raw mediocre players like Umar Amin despite being the best batsman for the side in ICC events from the 2010 WT20 to the 2014 WT20. Consequently Pakistan had the worst ICC tournament in their entire history six years ago losing every single game.

In the last 20 years this was the only tournament held in England where Pakistan had failed to reach the semis out of the 5 tournaments played during this period - 1999 WC, 2004 CT, 2009 WT20, 2013 WT20 and 2017 CT. This gives a very revealing picture of how shoddy the captaincy was especially with the selections made. Umar Akmal may not have made a difference under a useless ODI captain however his firepower against pace bowling was sorely missed in the side.

Overall his unjust exclusions contributed to his lack of motivation in the following years to come. But it isn't too late, a good PSL along with his domestic form and proven fitness should be suffice for his much needed return in this minnow batting line up that looks so toothless against pace.

[MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] Umar Akmal lost his place in the test side because he kept playing stupid shots at crucial stages, and left the team hanging time and again. The fact that he refused to learn even in the presence of stalwarts like YK and Misbah, skipped practices, made excuses for his non-performances and got involved in needless controversies, contributed to his downfall. I still believe Umar was one of the brightest talents of Pakistan cricket, who literally destroyed himself due to poor work ethic and the superstar syndrome. We kept hoping for him to turn it around, but he kept disappointing and by the end of his last stint, it was a given that Umar would throw his wicket away and not really care about his dismissals. Pretty much what's been happening with Sarfraz right now.

I was done with him when he messed up Pakistan's run chase against NZ in T20WC 2016. There was zero game awareness, despite being a part of the T20 team for a number of years. NZ choked both Shehzad and Umar, after Sharjeel had given us the best start we could wish for. Then you hear reports of how Umar tried to skip training again and again, and the fiasco with the complain to Imran Khan on live television. Just too much baggage for little performance.

And nothing has really changed. He has scored just one hundred in the recently concluded QeA trophy, but has a few fifties. Which means he still has those temperament issues and will never learn.
 
I was done with him when he messed up Pakistan's run chase against NZ in T20WC 2016. There was zero game awareness, despite being a part of the T20 team for a number of years. NZ choked both Shehzad and Umar, after Sharjeel had given us the best start we could wish for. .

I agree with everything but this... I think 75% of the blame should go to Ahmed Shehzad who was opening and only scored 30 runs after playing 5.2 overs worth of balls in a 181 chase.
 
[MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] Umar Akmal lost his place in the test side because he kept playing stupid shots at crucial stages, and left the team hanging time and again. The fact that he refused to learn even in the presence of stalwarts like YK and Misbah, skipped practices, made excuses for his non-performances and got involved in needless controversies, contributed to his downfall. I still believe Umar was one of the brightest talents of Pakistan cricket, who literally destroyed himself due to poor work ethic and the superstar syndrome. We kept hoping for him to turn it around, but he kept disappointing and by the end of his last stint, it was a given that Umar would throw his wicket away and not really care about his dismissals. Pretty much what's been happening with Sarfraz right now.

I was done with him when he messed up Pakistan's run chase against NZ in T20WC 2016. There was zero game awareness, despite being a part of the T20 team for a number of years. NZ choked both Shehzad and Umar, after Sharjeel had given us the best start we could wish for. Then you hear reports of how Umar tried to skip training again and again, and the fiasco with the complain to Imran Khan on live television. Just too much baggage for little performance.

And nothing has really changed. He has scored just one hundred in the recently concluded QeA trophy, but has a few fifties. Which means he still has those temperament issues and will never learn.

I totally agree with your comment on his performance in the 2016 WT20 against NZ, after that game I wanted him dropped as well. However we must also be rational and realise the current line up has a minnow standard batting line up against pace outside UAE (let alone Asia). Umar Akmal is certainly not worse than Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq. As for the latter, let me ask you did some of Umar's poor shots at crucial stages in tests warrant a long term investment in a product from the poultry farm at his expense?

Going by your post it's clear to me that you've made your mind up based on his antics. This isn't rational thinking but rather based on ill-feelings and other emotions.

And nothing has really changed. He has scored just one hundred in the recently concluded QeA trophy, but has a few fifties. Which means he still has those temperament issues and will never learn.

As per usual you have a habit of getting your facts wrong, he scored 2 tons - 1 of these scored in the final and a championship winning century, so you have no right to draw the following conclusion: "Which means he still has those temperament issues and will never learn".

His performance in the final (165 runs in 2 innings) shows to me he can up his game in a high pressure game but of course lets neglect all of that because of your bias tendencies.
 
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Lets give him one last chance for the sake of our sanity and end this discussion once and for all.

The worst that will happen will be that we will loose games. We loose nowdays anyways..
 
OH my, we are really living in lala land. I would like to smoke what the others are smoking whatever it maybe. UA is history (bad history at that) and should not be brought into any of the national team. He lost the plot long time ago and just has few fans going crazy over the possibilities. Anyone remembers Imran Nazir? Him and Umar Akmal both flatter to deceive.
 
OH my, we are really living in lala land. I would like to smoke what the others are smoking whatever it maybe. UA is history (bad history at that) and should not be brought into any of the national team. He lost the plot long time ago and just has few fans going crazy over the possibilities. Anyone remembers Imran Nazir? Him and Umar Akmal both flatter to deceive.

Imran Nazir had more shots then all the current Pakistan batters combined. He was a real talent and would have flourished in a proper system.
 
If Umar Akmal is included now, he'll immediately strengthen our batting by several factors.

He isn't ABD or Kohli, but still among the top 5 in Pakistan right now in batting.


Babar, Sharjeel, Haris, Umar Akmal.

As you can see, most PPers hate his guts because of his antics and immaturity off the field. Which they can.

But, on skill alone, he needs to be in the team above the other minnow batters we have.
 
I totally agree with your comment on his performance in the 2016 WT20 against NZ, after that game I wanted him dropped as well. However we must also be rational and realise the current line up has a minnow standard batting line up against pace outside UAE (let alone Asia). Umar Akmal is certainly not worse than Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq. As for the latter, let me ask you did some of Umar's poor shots at crucial stages in tests warrant a long term investment in a product from the poultry farm at his expense?

Going by your post it's clear to me that you've made your mind up based on his antics. This isn't rational thinking but rather based on ill-feelings and other emotions.

And nothing has really changed. He has scored just one hundred in the recently concluded QeA trophy, but has a few fifties. Which means he still has those temperament issues and will never learn.

As per usual you have a habit of getting your facts wrong, he scored 2 tons - 1 of these scored in the final and a championship winning century, so you have no right to draw the following conclusion: "Which means he still has those temperament issues and will never learn".

His performance in the final (165 runs in 2 innings) shows to me he can up his game in a high pressure game but of course lets neglect all of that because of your bias tendencies.
His antics are not something to be brushed aside, sorry. Missing practices, needless controversies off the field and non-serious attitude about his game in general, were a huge deterrant to his career.

Yes I remember the ton in the final, forgot the one he made earlier in the season. Two tons is not really a big deal for the whole season. Let me know about his conversion rate so you can begin to understand my statement about his temperament.

Also, let me know of the total number of centuries he has scored in domestic circuit since he was dropped. It's not pretty reading as far as I know.
 
Kamran Akmal speaking to press

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"Umar Akmal is working hard, he just needs an opportunity"


If this is a factual statement one should see a leaner and much fitter UA, instead of excuses like 'water retention' etc... Shall find out when the PSL starts.
 
If Umar Akmal is included now, he'll immediately strengthen our batting by several factors.

He isn't ABD or Kohli, but still among the top 5 in Pakistan right now in batting.


Babar, Sharjeel, Haris, Umar Akmal.

As you can see, most PPers hate his guts because of his antics and immaturity off the field. Which they can.

But, on skill alone, he needs to be in the team above the other minnow batters we have.

I second you here bro please add fakhar zaman name as well in ur list as he is amongst the top 5 as well

Babar
Haris
Sharjeel
U Akmal
F Zaman
 
If Umar Akmal is included now, he'll immediately strengthen our batting by several factors.

He isn't ABD or Kohli, but still among the top 5 in Pakistan right now in batting.


Babar, Sharjeel, Haris, Umar Akmal.

As you can see, most PPers hate his guts because of his antics and immaturity off the field. Which they can.

But, on skill alone, he needs to be in the team above the other minnow batters we have.

I can play him over asif ali , both are useless though but akmal is just a little less useless. As far as him improving our batting , not a chance. He lacks cricketing intelligence to be a good cricketer , skills are only good if you know how to use them. His shot selection is horrible and has no idea how to build an innings or play according to the situation.
 
His antics are not something to be brushed aside, sorry. Missing practices, needless controversies off the field and non-serious attitude about his game in general, were a huge deterrant to his career.

Yes I remember the ton in the final, forgot the one he made earlier in the season. Two tons is not really a big deal for the whole season. Let me know about his conversion rate so you can begin to understand my statement about his temperament.

Also, let me know of the total number of centuries he has scored in domestic circuit since he was dropped. It's not pretty reading as far as I know
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If you want me to draw out his performances from a more distant past then on that basis Shan Masood has no right to be in the side based on previous failures for the national side. Some players can change, mature and work on their game. Umar Akmal can prove he's a changed player if he can reinforce his domestic performances with a good PSL and get back to fitness. Would that be unreasonable to assume for a gifted batsman?

His antics don't leave much to be desired however he has remained free of controversy (as far as I know) since last year's PSL. Like with performances it is illogical and totally irrational to base my opinion on more distant controversies unless it involves a serious offence like spot fixing, cheating or committing a serious crime outside cricket.

Some players are just harder to manage and he happens to be one of them, you can't expect them them all to be well behaved robots as you envisage. Michael Vaughan mentioned the two players he found the hardest to manage were Flintoff and KP but didn't experience many issues with them because he had the ability to do the man management and hence why he was able to get the best out of these guys - as you would expect from a good captain.
 
It simply does not matter how talented Umar Akmal is. He does not possess the intellectual faculties to make it as a professional cricketer. The guy has no game awareness and no self awareness either. He may be blessed with good timing and good hand-eye coordination but that can only get you so far.

I would even suggest that its his above average hand-eye coordination and timing that allows him to score pretty 15's and 20's but his lack of intelligence means he does not have the mental know how to adapt to the situation and get bigger scores. See ball, hit ball can only get you so far...
 
Pete Rose,

You should now accept that your backing of Shafiq was a mistake. Particularly in ODIs, where Shafiq has performed abysmally and frankly, been an embarassment.

I would suggest you chill out now when others are suggesting who was at the time the alternative.

I'm positive that Akmal would have been a more impactful player than this mental midget.
 
Pete Rose,

You should now accept that your backing of Shafiq was a mistake. Particularly in ODIs, where Shafiq has performed abysmally and frankly, been an embarassment.

I would suggest you chill out now when others are suggesting who was at the time the alternative.

I'm positive that Akmal would have been a more impactful player than this mental midget.

No I deny these charges.
 
No I deny these charges.

Pete Rose and I have argued about this Shafiq vs. Akmal issue for a while. I was arguing years back.

Akmal is much better than Shafiq. Shafiq is not that good overall and terrible at ODIs. You should admit it.
 
Pete Rose and I have argued about this Shafiq vs. Akmal issue for a while. I was arguing years back.

Akmal is much better than Shafiq. Shafiq is not that good overall and terrible at ODIs. You should admit it.

No
 
Umar's time is up, as is Shafiq in LOI.

The only time I might tinker with Umar is to see maybe he can come in and open where he can play his blind style, but I wouldn't hold my breath either.
 
His antics are not something to be brushed aside, sorry. Missing practices, needless controversies off the field and non-serious attitude about his game in general, were a huge deterrant to his career.

Yes I remember the ton in the final, forgot the one he made earlier in the season. Two tons is not really a big deal for the whole season. Let me know about his conversion rate so you can begin to understand my statement about his temperament.

Also, let me know of the total number of centuries he has scored in domestic circuit since he was dropped. It's not pretty reading as far as I know.

Honest question, who would you rather have playing at the WC?

Umar Akmal or Shoaib Malik who has no game against decent pace?

I am not saying Umar Akmal is the answer or he will turn into Jos Buttler, but he won't do any worse than our current LO misfits.
 
Which poster has the signature: “It’s written. An Akmal will never be a hero.”

Sums up the clan perfectly.
 
Honest question, who would you rather have playing at the WC?

Umar Akmal or Shoaib Malik who has no game against decent pace?

I am not saying Umar Akmal is the answer or he will turn into Jos Buttler, but he won't do any worse than our current LO misfits.
What good did Umar Akmal's much superior game against pace do in the WC2015? He lost his wicket to dumb slogs throughout the tournament. Heck, he threw away his wicket to a pie chucker like Maxwell at a crucial stage in the quarter-final, leading to some colorful comments in the match thread from 99% of the posters here. By that time it was a given that it was a matter of when, not if, Umar Akmal would throw away the advantage in a game.

Its quite unbelievable. You whine to no end on this forum against Sarfraz, and you want to see this rubbish player in the national team? I bet you will be the first one to turn your back on Umar Akmal as soon as he inevitably starts playing his dumb shots once he is back. Neither Akmal nor Malik are the answer to the woes plaguing this team.
 
If you want me to draw out his performances from a more distant past then on that basis Shan Masood has no right to be in the side based on previous failures for the national side. Some players can change, mature and work on their game. Umar Akmal can prove he's a changed player if he can reinforce his domestic performances with a good PSL and get back to fitness. Would that be unreasonable to assume for a gifted batsman?

His antics don't leave much to be desired however he has remained free of controversy (as far as I know) since last year's PSL. Like with performances it is illogical and totally irrational to base my opinion on more distant controversies unless it involves a serious offence like spot fixing, cheating or committing a serious crime outside cricket.

Some players are just harder to manage and he happens to be one of them, you can't expect them them all to be well behaved robots as you envisage. Michael Vaughan mentioned the two players he found the hardest to manage were Flintoff and KP but didn't experience many issues with them because he had the ability to do the man management and hence why he was able to get the best out of these guys - as you would expect from a good captain.
First of all, there is a world of difference between the attitudes of Shan Masood and Umar Akmal. The latter has shown zero signs of improvement, since he was disgraced by Mickey Arthur almost two years ago. You lot make fun of Sarfraz's pot belly, yet support Akmal's return despite him being in terrible shape as seen recently. He was part of a huge incident in Pakistan cricket in 2017, yet has shown no signs of making things better on the fitness front. Shan actually went back to domestic circuit and worked extremely hard, to produce some outstanding results. This is specially evident in the improvement in his LOI game, culminating in the recent 170 odd against a good England Lions side. No contest whatsoever, it's just wishful thinking on your part.

You have to stop making excuses for his past behaviour. He has psychological issues, which clearly need to be dealt with before he comes back into the team. Not even two years have passed since he had a tiff with the coach, and proceeded to whine like a spoilt brat infront of the media right after the incident. Neither has he worked on his shortcomings that lead to the disgraceful incident in the first place. You are banking your hopes on Umar maturing, while I don't believe he is mentally strong enough to do that given his glittering track record.
 
First of all, there is a world of difference between the attitudes of Shan Masood and Umar Akmal. The latter has shown zero signs of improvement, since he was disgraced by Mickey Arthur almost two years ago. You lot make fun of Sarfraz's pot belly, yet support Akmal's return despite him being in terrible shape as seen recently. He was part of a huge incident in Pakistan cricket in 2017, yet has shown no signs of making things better on the fitness front. Shan actually went back to domestic circuit and worked extremely hard, to produce some outstanding results. This is specially evident in the improvement in his LOI game, culminating in the recent 170 odd against a good England Lions side. No contest whatsoever, it's just wishful thinking on your part.

You have to stop making excuses for his past behaviour. He has psychological issues, which clearly need to be dealt with before he comes back into the team. Not even two years have passed since he had a tiff with the coach, and proceeded to whine like a spoilt brat infront of the media right after the incident. Neither has he worked on his shortcomings that lead to the disgraceful incident in the first place. You are banking your hopes on Umar maturing, while I don't believe he is mentally strong enough to do that given his glittering track record.

What big 2017 incident are you on about? Please do share.
 
You are in the 2nd state of denial Dr. First was not even ready to hear his name - now you have come to the state of giving a thought - why & how ...... by WC (and God forbid after WC), you'll complete the cycle.

I actually say opposite - Umar has several places in this squad, most notably the 2nd WK's spot, who has to be a batsman good enough to make 15 men squad as specialist bat. In a WC of 9 games in 29-35 days, you have to take one back-up WK, but for a 15-16 men squad, you can't waste a spot for a specialist WK, who might not be required at all. SO, every team, barring PAK has at least 1 batsman who can keep and confirmed in playing XI on batting merit - BD has Liton/Zakir, Kiwis have Latham/And couple of guys forgot name, SAF has Klassen/Kok, Srilanka has 2-3, WI has Dorwich/Hope, IND has DK/Pant; ZIM has Taylor, AUS has Mcdermott/Handscomb, Poms have at least 3 ........ PAK is true Muslim in this regard - believes in single death - so you have one & only Sarfraz. Umar Akmal fits in PAK LO squad like how the bottom of a bucket fits in the groove.

Sarfraz will go - better for PAK if it's before WC. Three months back, I had to convince lots of passionate posters here that for a cricket mad country of 23 crore, among 1000+ pro cricketers, if there is no alternative of a bang average, unfit, over aged and clueless WK Captain - then PAK cricket should stop, and we shouldn't waste time in PP. Now, Bhakts do agree that Rizwan can be an alternate .............. let the SAF & ENG series end - there will be a cue behind me. Here, I am just asking PCB not to get caught with pants down, 15 days before WC.

I have nothing against Umar Akmal

If he can prove he is good, he's good

The problem is people hype him into combination of Lara and Tendulkar combined and then when he fails, they point to his swashbuckling cover drives and his slog to cow corner to show his talent.

That's as miserable as it gets.

IF he comes back , I can guarantee you 100 percent, he won't have changed a bit.
 
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First of all, there is a world of difference between the attitudes of Shan Masood and Umar Akmal. The latter has shown zero signs of improvement, since he was disgraced by Mickey Arthur almost two years ago. You lot make fun of Sarfraz's pot belly, yet support Akmal's return despite him being in terrible shape as seen recently. He was part of a huge incident in Pakistan cricket in 2017, yet has shown no signs of making things better on the fitness front. Shan actually went back to domestic circuit and worked extremely hard, to produce some outstanding results. This is specially evident in the improvement in his LOI game, culminating in the recent 170 odd against a good England Lions side. No contest whatsoever, it's just wishful thinking on your part.

You have to stop making excuses for his past behaviour. He has psychological issues, which clearly need to be dealt with before he comes back into the team. Not even two years have passed since he had a tiff with the coach, and proceeded to whine like a spoilt brat infront of the media right after the incident. Neither has he worked on his shortcomings that lead to the disgraceful incident in the first place. You are banking your hopes on Umar maturing, while I don't believe he is mentally strong enough to do that given his glittering track record.

To cite "Zero signs of improvement" is an ignorant statement if you actually watched him bat (especially in the final) during the recent season of QeA FC cricket which I don't believe you did.

Secondly I've said it explicitly that Umar has to prove fitness along with domestic and PSL form to be considered for the side. You conveniently ignored my question from my last post, so I'll ask again:

Umar Akmal can prove he's a changed player if he can reinforce his domestic performances with a good PSL and return to fitness. Would that be unreasonable to assume for a gifted batsman?

But you don't even want him up for consideration at all costs. So I have to say again your opinion of him is merely irrational and rather based on ill feelings.

I'm not making excuses for his past behaviour, I just hold higher standards than the cheerleaders of a side with a toothless batting line up.
 
Was watching a recent practice video of Umar Akmal, a young kid was giving him throw downs in a park and he was just hitting the ball. No wonder his batting never improves, these guys don't practice with the same intensitiy or sophistication as the big stars from the Big 5
 
What good did Umar Akmal's much superior game against pace do in the WC2015? He lost his wicket to dumb slogs throughout the tournament. Heck, he threw away his wicket to a pie chucker like Maxwell at a crucial stage in the quarter-final, leading to some colorful comments in the match thread from 99% of the posters here. By that time it was a given that it was a matter of when, not if, Umar Akmal would throw away the advantage in a game.

Its quite unbelievable. You whine to no end on this forum against Sarfraz, and you want to see this rubbish player in the national team? I bet you will be the first one to turn your back on Umar Akmal as soon as he inevitably starts playing his dumb shots once he is back. Neither Akmal nor Malik are the answer to the woes plaguing this team.

Just like how you're running away from my questions. Rather than beating around the bush answer the question. I get you don't want either of them in the XI but I want to know if you would pick Umar Akmal or a tail ender against pace?
 
Just like how you're running away from my questions. Rather than beating around the bush answer the question. I get you don't want either of them in the XI but I want to know if you would pick Umar Akmal or a tail ender against pace?

depends on who has the better numbers
 
Umar's time is up, as is Shafiq in LOI.

The only time I might tinker with Umar is to see maybe he can come in and open where he can play his blind style, but I wouldn't hold my breath either.

No no. Shafiq must be first name on sheet in all formats except t10
 
Lets see what Shoaib Malik can do against South Africa.

malik will fail against south africa as will hafeez - certainly if you go by past record - but the answer to that is not umar akmal.
 
To cite "Zero signs of improvement" is an ignorant statement if you actually watched him bat (especially in the final) during the recent season of QeA FC cricket which I don't believe you did.

Secondly I've said it explicitly that Umar has to prove fitness along with domestic and PSL form to be considered for the side. You conveniently ignored my question from my last post, so I'll ask again:

Umar Akmal can prove he's a changed player if he can reinforce his domestic performances with a good PSL and return to fitness. Would that be unreasonable to assume for a gifted batsman?

But you don't even want him up for consideration at all costs. So I have to say again your opinion of him is merely irrational and rather based on ill feelings.

I'm not making excuses for his past behaviour, I just hold higher standards than the cheerleaders of a side with a toothless batting line up.
‘Zero signs of improvement’ is geared towards the thought that his performance in the QeA Trophy was decent at best. One century in the final has made you giddy, but I expect him to score at the same level as Saad Ali to be even considered for selection. His conversion rate is still not great, and that is exactly the issue we are facing in our team right now. Tell me the number of centuries he has since he was dropped from the side, and you’ll see what I mean by ‘zero signs of improvement’. Also please do not proceed to embarrass your logic by saying he is a much improved player, on the basis of ONE decent knock in the final. You sound like a cheerleader tbh.

Yes I don’t want him up for consideration since I know it’s useless to put any hopes in him. I can’t believe I’m actually wasting my time arguing about this joke of a cricketer, who himself doesn’t take his cricket seriously. How many times have we had him make comebacks, only to fall flat on his face? Alright forget the WT20 2016, what about the ODI series in Australia in 2017? He was given all five one-dayers and did absolutely nothing. Nothing personal against Umar Akmal, but I don’t believe he is mentally or physically fit enough to play international cricket anymore.

BTW, as a cheerleader, you should know he has been bombing quite spectacularly in the PSL in the last two editions too. MashaAllah he managed to mess up his relationship with a calm character like Brendon McCullum and has become a laughing stock for the Qalandar supporters, who just wanted him off their team.

Also, as a cheerleader, you should know he was in very good form in PSL 1, and proceeded to wet his pants in the WT20 2016 and the Asia Cup 2016 respectively.

I don’t understand the recent furore over Umar’s non-selection. If there’s any Akmal you guys should be furious about, it’s Kamran, who has out-performed Umar by a country mile in the same domestic circuit and yet finds himself out of the team right now.
 
I wonder how Umar's career would have gone had he been English, Australian or Indian perhaps?
 
I wonder how Umar's career would have gone had he been English, Australian or Indian perhaps?

Had he been Indian, he’d be above Kohli.

I’m saying this because if you look at Kohli’s numbers at the start of his career, it wasn’t pretty, whereas Umar Akmal was averaging 40 in his 1st year at the top level.

The only reason why Kohli has gone from down to up and Umar going from Up to down is because Kohli was managed properly, he had the right people around him.

Could you imagine Umar Akmal giving the ungli to the crowd? Imagine how the management would’ve reacted, they wouldn’t know how to handle a player like Kohli.

If Kohli was Pakistani, he’d be playing grade 2 cricket right now.
 
What good did Umar Akmal's much superior game against pace do in the WC2015? He lost his wicket to dumb slogs throughout the tournament. Heck, he threw away his wicket to a pie chucker like Maxwell at a crucial stage in the quarter-final, leading to some colorful comments in the match thread from 99% of the posters here. By that time it was a given that it was a matter of when, not if, Umar Akmal would throw away the advantage in a game.

Its quite unbelievable. You whine to no end on this forum against Sarfraz, and you want to see this rubbish player in the national team? I bet you will be the first one to turn your back on Umar Akmal as soon as he inevitably starts playing his dumb shots once he is back. Neither Akmal nor Malik are the answer to the woes plaguing this team.

Umar Akmal has played plenty of pressure knocks but you are choosing to remember 1 game which we never ever going to win anyway.

Why do you always need to bring up that I might turn on a player if they don't do well :))) ? So how fans will react when someone fails is a reason not to select them :))? And also you expect me to say when someone is failing , well done keep up the good work.

Unlike you I am not going to sit here and bury my head in the sand. We need to keep trying players if players in the team are failing. Every single team does that. England won't replace Cook, but instead of begging him to come back they will try to find a answer.
 
[MENTION=1650]Usman Chadda[/MENTION], you are a good poster. A reason for my consistent calling for Sarfraz to be dropped is because he isn't performing and he doesn't make the team on merit. As a player he could have a role but no role as captain for me.

The thing I was told by certain posters who ignore my posts now , that I had an agenda or hate Karachi players when I was calling Sarfraz months before the recent shambles. I was calling him for cricketing reasons and nothing else.

1 thing I respect about you is that you admit when you are wrong.
 
If he has good psl he can be brought back for t20is.I think eventually he will feature in odis after world cup debacle where captain useless will be kicked out along with his buddies.
 
Had he been Indian, he’d be above Kohli.

I’m saying this because if you look at Kohli’s numbers at the start of his career, it wasn’t pretty, whereas Umar Akmal was averaging 40 in his 1st year at the top level.

The only reason why Kohli has gone from down to up and Umar going from Up to down is because Kohli was managed properly, he had the right people around him.

Could you imagine Umar Akmal giving the ungli to the crowd? Imagine how the management would’ve reacted, they wouldn’t know how to handle a player like Kohli.

If Kohli was Pakistani, he’d be playing grade 2 cricket right now.

This post is living on mythologies and has no substance or fact.

Its that easy to become Kohli eh?

Good luck in life.
 
This post is living on mythologies and has no substance or fact.

Its that easy to become Kohli eh?

Good luck in life.
This.

People give too much credit to Indian cricket system. Do people even know how hard Kohli has worked since '12? As a result, he is where he is currently. Whatever the system is, if one can't work hard, he won't go far as far as results are concerned. You can have all the facilities in world, if you can't work hard, no point blaming the system.

Cue Australian players. Do you think Australian system is rubbish? I'd say, it is still in far better condition than say Indian system is despite the strides India has taken over last decade or so. And still they've been losing games after games, even at home.
 
I wonder how Umar's career would have gone had he been English, Australian or Indian perhaps?

Batting or bowling cultures play a huge role.

Umar was mishandled, he was excellent for a long time at the start of his career.

Then ruined by our management.
 
Batting or bowling cultures play a huge role.

Umar was mishandled, he was excellent for a long time at the start of his career.

Then ruined by our management.

Thats just "recall bias".

He was never excellent anytime for a regular period.

He had one fluke knock against Bond and Co which decieved the people that he was somehow an ATG in the making.

Sure he had his moments, but they were so few and far in between that he was dumped out.

If he was "excellent at the start of his career" he would have had a longer rope like Babar is getting now.

You are only recalling his fond memories because the current situation demands so.
 
Umar Akmal has played plenty of pressure knocks but you are choosing to remember 1 game which we never ever going to win anyway.

Why do you always need to bring up that I might turn on a player if they don't do well :))) ? So how fans will react when someone fails is a reason not to select them :))? And also you expect me to say when someone is failing , well done keep up the good work.

Unlike you I am not going to sit here and bury my head in the sand. We need to keep trying players if players in the team are failing. Every single team does that. England won't replace Cook, but instead of begging him to come back they will try to find a answer.
My point was that you are strongly against a mediocre cricketer representing our nation right now, so how can you be okay with a tried and tested (a million times) mediocre failure like Umar Akmal in the team?
 
[MENTION=1650]Usman Chadda[/MENTION], you are a good poster. A reason for my consistent calling for Sarfraz to be dropped is because he isn't performing and he doesn't make the team on merit. As a player he could have a role but no role as captain for me.

The thing I was told by certain posters who ignore my posts now , that I had an agenda or hate Karachi players when I was calling Sarfraz months before the recent shambles. I was calling him for cricketing reasons and nothing else.

1 thing I respect about you is that you admit when you are wrong.
Thank you.

Personally, I don't believe you criticize Sarfraz for any Karachi hate or bias. Never have and never will tbh. We have had our run-ins due to me believing nothing will change even if we change Sarfraz as captain, and you believe we can do better than Sarfraz for the captaincy spot right now.

We can will continue to agree to disagree on that I believe :srt
 
My point was that you are strongly against a mediocre cricketer representing our nation right now, so how can you be okay with a tried and tested (a million times) mediocre failure like Umar Akmal in the team?


I don't think he will solve our problems. But he has made some improvements and deserves another chance. I am not against giving him a chance. He is a better player of pace bowling than Sarfraz, Malik , and Hafeez.
 
Thank you.

Personally, I don't believe you criticize Sarfraz for any Karachi hate or bias. Never have and never will tbh. We have had our run-ins due to me believing nothing will change even if we change Sarfraz as captain, and you believe we can do better than Sarfraz for the captaincy spot right now.

We can will continue to agree to disagree on that I believe :srt


Brother I have said changing captain won't change our fortunes. We may still struggle. But you can't have a captain who doesn't make the team on merit and isn't a good example to the rest of the dressing room with his shocking fitness. His lack of communication is also a big concern. He doesn't need to talk in good English but even when he speaks natively he doesn't send good messages.

In sport, when things aren't working you have to make changes.
 
Is he the only reserve middle-order batsman in Pakistan ?

Saud Shakeel should be next in line given his strong List A record.
 
‘Zero signs of improvement’ is geared towards the thought that his performance in the QeA Trophy was decent at best. One century in the final has made you giddy, but I expect him to score at the same level as Saad Ali to be even considered for selection. His conversion rate is still not great, and that is exactly the issue we are facing in our team right now. Tell me the number of centuries he has since he was dropped from the side, and you’ll see what I mean by ‘zero signs of improvement’. Also please do not proceed to embarrass your logic by saying he is a much improved player, on the basis of ONE decent knock in the final. You sound like a cheerleader tbh.

Yes I don’t want him up for consideration since I know it’s useless to put any hopes in him. I can’t believe I’m actually wasting my time arguing about this joke of a cricketer, who himself doesn’t take his cricket seriously. How many times have we had him make comebacks, only to fall flat on his face? Alright forget the WT20 2016, what about the ODI series in Australia in 2017? He was given all five one-dayers and did absolutely nothing. Nothing personal against Umar Akmal, but I don’t believe he is mentally or physically fit enough to play international cricket anymore.

BTW, as a cheerleader, you should know he has been bombing quite spectacularly in the PSL in the last two editions too. MashaAllah he managed to mess up his relationship with a calm character like Brendon McCullum and has become a laughing stock for the Qalandar supporters, who just wanted him off their team.

Also, as a cheerleader, you should know he was in very good form in PSL 1, and proceeded to wet his pants in the WT20 2016 and the Asia Cup 2016 respectively.

I don’t understand the recent furore over Umar’s non-selection. If there’s any Akmal you guys should be furious about, it’s Kamran, who has out-performed Umar by a country mile in the same domestic circuit and yet finds himself out of the team right now.

Oh please don't make things up, I never cited his improvements as a player solely on the basis of that at QeA final match. He had a very good FC tournament averaging 40+ with a SR of near 80. That is far better than someone who say for examples averages 50 with a SR of 40. Give him the credit he's due for once.

What happened between him and McCullum was unfortunate and I concur with you on this he deserves all the blame for what happened. But that was last year, we are now in 2019 and in desperate times since the gulf between the top 5 (SENA + India) and Pakistan continues to widen because of the minnow standard batting. The top 5 teams are improving while Pakistan isn't moving forward. Players like Kamran Akmal and Shoaib Malik with their shoddy techniques are not the answer.

As I'll say again if he proves fitness and adds PSL form (on top of his recent domestic achievements) then only an irrational and short sighted individual would exclude him from the team. But this single mindedness of yours comes to no surprise given how you've bashed better and world class Pakistan cricketing sides of the past (2000s and 90s) and turned into a cheerleader for the current side with a substandard batting line up. At least have some standards rather than displaying your small team mentality who gets easily pleased with a lesser, timid and uninspiring set of cricketers.
 
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I don't think he will solve our problems. But he has made some improvements and deserves another chance. I am not against giving him a chance. He is a better player of pace bowling than Sarfraz, Malik , and Hafeez.

Well said, we can ill afford to play these 3 incompetent batsmen against pace.

Given the XI is filled accumulator galore, we may have no option but to play Hafeez as the hitter at no.6 however it is unlikely to happen because he's always found a way to get what he dictates to the captain and management.

Sarfraz is so poor as a batsman - if we can't find a replacement, there is no way he should bat above 8, unless of course we want to introduce a mini short term version of nightwatchman in ODIs.
 
Had he been Indian, he’d be above Kohli.

I’m saying this because if you look at Kohli’s numbers at the start of his career, it wasn’t pretty, whereas Umar Akmal was averaging 40 in his 1st year at the top level.

The only reason why Kohli has gone from down to up and Umar going from Up to down is because Kohli was managed properly, he had the right people around him.

Could you imagine Umar Akmal giving the ungli to the crowd? Imagine how the management would’ve reacted, they wouldn’t know how to handle a player like Kohli.

If Kohli was Pakistani, he’d be playing grade 2 cricket right now.

I'm a fan of both players, he certainly was mishandled by Waqar and Misbah. I also agree that the management would have no idea how to handle anyone like Kohli since he lies outside the "obedient box" set of players however I think it's a bit harsh to suggest he'd be playing grade 2 cricket right now if he was a Pakistani.
 
Well said, we can ill afford to play these 3 incompetent batsmen against pace.

Given the XI is filled accumulator galore, we may have no option but to play Hafeez as the hitter at no.6 however it is unlikely to happen because he's always found a way to get what he dictates to the captain and management.

Sarfraz is so poor as a batsman - if we can't find a replacement, there is no way he should bat above 8, unless of course we want to introduce a mini short term version of nightwatchman in ODIs.


I don't think Hafeez will be that successful at 6 as well. He could bat towards the end of the innings where team.will bowl there seam bowlers so we are back to square one.

Sarfraz will be carried to the WC unfortunately. Even though he is rubbish as a batter no matter how position.
 
I don't think Hafeez will be that successful at 6 as well. He could bat towards the end of the innings where team.will bowl there seam bowlers so we are back to square one.

Sarfraz will be carried to the WC unfortunately. Even though he is rubbish as a batter no matter how position.

I agree he'll be nearly 39 by then and he was never gifted striker ball in the first place but going by the current squad of players for this SA ODI series he's the only option Pakistan we have unless we want to play Talat, Sarfraz or Malik there.
 
Can you see Saud Shakeel going after the likes of Starc, Boult, Southee etc?
How are we meant to know if we don't test him ? Better to try new faces instead of going back to a previous tried and tested 2000s generation of ODI players.
 
I wonder how Umar's career would have gone had he been English, Australian or Indian perhaps?

If he was an Indian then he would have not played for India (except for t20 format) just like Unmukt Chand


Umar Akmal was never a prolific run getter in domestic cricket so selectors and genuine fans would have stopped caring about him after few domestic seasons
 
Oh please don't make things up, I never cited his improvements as a player solely on the basis of that at QeA final match. He had a very good FC tournament averaging 40+ with a SR of near 80. That is far better than someone who say for examples averages 50 with a SR of 40. Give him the credit he's due for once.

What happened between him and McCullum was unfortunate and I concur with you on this he deserves all the blame for what happened. But that was last year, we are now in 2019 and in desperate times since the gulf between the top 5 (SENA + India) and Pakistan continues to widen because of the minnow standard batting. The top 5 teams are improving while Pakistan isn't moving forward. Players like Kamran Akmal and Shoaib Malik with their shoddy techniques are not the answer.

As I'll say again if he proves fitness and adds PSL form (on top of his recent domestic achievements) then only an irrational and short sighted individual would exclude him from the team. But this single mindedness of yours comes to no surprise given how you've bashed better and world class Pakistan cricketing sides of the past (2000s and 90s) and turned into a cheerleader for the current side with a substandard batting line up. At least have some standards rather than displaying your small team mentality who gets easily pleased with a lesser, timid and uninspiring set of cricketers.
It's funny you are accusing me of making things up, when that's all you've done in that last paragraph of yours. Where have I said we have a world-class batting line-up? Bring up one post and I will concede, as I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong on this forum. And I'm certain you won't be seen in this thread when (or if) Umar does make a comeback and proceeds to fail, as usual. I don't believe in these 'saviours' anymore. People wanted YK and Misbah dropped from the Test team way before their retirements, believing that a young side is the answer to our woes and look what has happened. I argued at the time that dropping someone of the stature of YK would prove to be hazardous, and lo and behold, pretty much everyone now is singing praises of YK's stature as a player. Back then it was all about giving a chance to Haris Sohail, Fawad Alam, Usman Salahuddin etc. Haris has played in five test series since then, and he hasn't even managed to out-perform Misbah, let alone YK.

Also, your earlier question, that who would I prefer between Asad Shafiq and Umar Akmal, and I would say it doesn't really matter if it's a choice between the two, right now. Asad was averaging in the early 40s when Umar was dropped from the Test side, and he had a habit of producing decent knocks at number 6, while Umar kept on playing dumb shots at crucial stages. I'm old enough to remember all that, as I watched those matches live and know exactly the kind of damage Umar caused during those times. Right now though, I would discard both and get Saad Ali to play in the line-up. I don't expect him to take the world by storm, but his numbers are tremendous and it remains to be seen what he can achieve in international cricket.

Regarding technique, Umar is diabolical against any kind of spin that turns away from him. Left arm spinners and leg-spinners have troubled him throughout his career, and I really don't know if he has improved massively on that or not. Good player of pace bowling though, better than Shafiq I agree. Very good on the cut and alright on the pull. His temparement is always under the scanner though, and one decent season after years in QeA shouldn't fast track him into the Pakistan team. Neither should one good PSL, as he has performed well there before, only to bomb spectacularly in international cricket with the same issues.

You are banking your hopes on him improving, and hoping against hope for him to finally realize his potential. I don't believe there is any hope for him, as numerous comebacks and a long stint in the Pakistan team, was enough to make a few of us realize that he'll never be good enough for international cricket. As for him taking his fitness seriously is wishful thinking, as his current state suggests.

As for me bashing the 90s team and bigging up the current team, that's once again you making things up. Nowhere have I said that the current team is better than the 90s team. I've simply said that the 90s team under-performed massively, and they don't really have a glittering CV as compared to the current team. So these posts about 'Pakistan cricket is finished and dead' are sensationalist to say the least. Nostalgia is great, but the 90s team had their fair share of embarrassing moments aswell, with much more talented players. This is a young side, so we can cut them a bit of slack.
 
Brother I have said changing captain won't change our fortunes. We may still struggle. But you can't have a captain who doesn't make the team on merit and isn't a good example to the rest of the dressing room with his shocking fitness. His lack of communication is also a big concern. He doesn't need to talk in good English but even when he speaks natively he doesn't send good messages.

In sport, when things aren't working you have to make changes.
I understand that POV, but unfortunately we don't have any back-up WK options or captaincy options aswell. I'm not a massive Sarfraz fan, but it's sad he is the only option we have right now till someone credible comes along, in which case I'll be right with you for kicking him out ASAP.

Azhar's place is under threat. Shafiq's place is under threat. Babar has just started to perform. Amir doesn't make the team on merit in Asia. Who replaces Sarfraz as captain, tell me?
 
Currently Umar is on the PCB naughty step. Not allowed to speak with any media.
 
I agree he'll be nearly 39 by then and he was never gifted striker ball in the first place but going by the current squad of players for this SA ODI series he's the only option Pakistan we have unless we want to play Talat, Sarfraz or Malik there.

He will go the World Cup. No matter how badly he does in SA.
 
I understand that POV, but unfortunately we don't have any back-up WK options or captaincy options aswell. I'm not a massive Sarfraz fan, but it's sad he is the only option we have right now till someone credible comes along, in which case I'll be right with you for kicking him out ASAP.

Azhar's place is under threat. Shafiq's place is under threat. Babar has just started to perform. Amir doesn't make the team on merit in Asia. Who replaces Sarfraz as captain, tell me?

We should have been playing a back up keeper in some of the dead rubber LO games. We haven’t had a back up keeper in a lot of squads.


There isn’t many options. I think if Sarfraz is sacked it will be Shafiq who will be made captain. I wouldn’t mind having a captain for a year and than giving Babar the captaincy once he has fully cemented his place in the test team.
 
This thread was opened in mid March last year - in about 3 weeks we had like 50 posts ...... after 3rd Test, in a well we have around 110 & counting - wajay Keya Hai? Suddenly Umar Akmal has stoped drinking water or Sarfraz team has started drinking?

Ye to sirf suruart, still SAF, AUS & ENG ODI series awaits before WC.
 
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