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Umar Akmal : Our missing star

DRsohail said:
on serious note beyond these hacks what do you want to be done for number 4,number 6 ?i think Saud can come at 4 but at 6?hussain Talat may be but i am not confident about his fast bowling ability and finishing touch.And Zafar gohar is not playing Thid round of QEA trophy so i think he is going to dubai??
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Not sure if Ul Haq knows about new players or not - I rather believe MoHa'll come back at 4, Imad as well and may be, they'll try Yasir Shah in LO :(
 
MMHS said:
Not sure if Ul Haq knows about new players or not - I rather believe MoHa'll come back at 4, Imad as well and may be, they'll try Yasir Shah in LO :(
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Yea and the savior has scored 213.he has booked place in tests far sure.
 
He needs to score a couple of hundreds in the ongoing List A tournament to get the selectors attention he should be played at no 3 position if he's selected Babar should move down to no 4.
 
HBL 333 all out in 50 overs: (Umer Akmal 92, 85 balls, 6x4s, 4x6s,
 
Im also in favor of UA to be back in the side.
But the issue is he is parasite in the team + ongoing investigation against him for fixing claims will also hinder his comeback.

I think, best for him is to target comeback after 2019 world cup, and in the meantime improve himself as a player and sensible individual.
 
I hate this guy’s attitude towards just about everything related to professional cricket never mind international cricket!! We need to develop the pool we have Asif,Talat, Shadab & a few more , this guy is history, reminds me of the Urdu saying about a dogs tale..
 
But .. it a huge but if he has a cracking seasons , loads of runs ..I mean loads along with improved attitude then hell yes give me that brash green lipstick wala , why need ..as the no6 spot is still there to be taken
 
Say whatever but this guy was way better than some of the T20 hacks in the Oak team currently.
 
If the PP arm chair critics and blind haters could open their eyes.

They’d see we ain’t produced a number 6 batsman or late hitter and batsman like Umar Akmal since his debut or since his omission from the side. People lie numbers don’t.
 
In his last few years Umar akmal was just as bad as the current lot.

Plus he had a terrible PSL last year where he get out to the most harmless deliveries.
 
j_kazmi said:
In his last few years Umar akmal was just as bad as the current lot.

Plus he had a terrible PSL last year where he get out to the most harmless deliveries.
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Bad patch comes to all players but the important thing is a player must have potential. Guys like Asif or Talat do not have that unfortunately.
 
We can all deny this as much as we like but he should be in this T20 side at least.
 
MRSN said:
Bad patch comes to all players but the important thing is a player must have potential. Guys like Asif or Talat do not have that unfortunately.
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How long should we be willing to wait for this potential to materialize?
 
I would take UA at 6 after Malik.

Tbh, Umar Akmal>>>>Sarfaraz as WK batsman
 
What we need is a Pakistani journalist to ask AB about his views in regards to Umar Akmal. I’m telling you players like him know and rate dynamic players
 
After his last week 129 runs innings today Umar Akmal scored a qucik 84 runs again against NBP. he is in form now. Cant wait to see him in PSL from LQ
 
hailian said:
After his last week 129 runs innings today Umar Akmal scored a qucik 84 runs again against NBP. he is in form now. Cant wait to see him in PSL from LQ
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Picking people after a few good performances is only going to make more failures. I think if anything we should select him after the World Cup at the very least.

He may be in good form but it will be better for Akmal himself and Pakistan cricket if he shows consistent performances over a long period of time before getting picked again.
 
MRSN said:
Bad patch comes to all players but the important thing is a player must have potential. Guys like Asif or Talat do not have that unfortunately.
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Asif and Talat make up for it by showing heart. Umar Akmal is arguably one of the worst investments ever done by a cricket board. The guy is struggling to score big in domestic cricket FGS.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Asif and Talat make up for it by showing heart. Umar Akmal is arguably one of the worst investments ever done by a cricket board. The guy is struggling to score big in domestic cricket FGS.
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Lol asif and Talat have nothing statistically on Umar Akmal so you’ve had to turn to something as stupid and ambiguous as heart haha.

Face it pot belly Akmal is better then asif and Talat even with his chest sagging.
 
There will be some, well maybe quite a few that will hope he remains missing.
 
CricketDon said:
Lol asif and Talat have nothing statistically on Umar Akmal so you’ve had to turn to something as stupid and ambiguous as heart haha.

Face it pot belly Akmal is better then asif and Talat even with his chest sagging.
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How many games have Asif and Talat played as compared to Akmal? It's about time Pakistan fans realize Umar Akmal's career is more or less over now. It will take a miracle for him to turn his career around.
 
I would take Talat, Asif or any other youngster over UA.

People that support him don’t know cricket and/or have extremely short memories.
 
Usman Chadda said:
How many games have Asif and Talat played as compared to Akmal? It's about time Pakistan fans realize Umar Akmal's career is more or less over now. It will take a miracle for him to turn his career around.
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and a catastrophe of epic proportions for him to be back in the side.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PCB has confirmed that Umar Akmal has been contacted regarding the Al Jazeera documentary and that he has agreed to appear before the ACU once he is free from his domestic cricketing commitments <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/sS7teLZOUP">pic.twitter.com/sS7teLZOUP</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1055138378176438272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Well he has this 'on his plate' at the moment.
 
IMMY69 said:
I would take Talat, Asif or any other youngster over UA.

People that support him don’t know cricket and/or have extremely short memories.
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People that support him have their own agendas. They don't care about how the PCT does.
 
IMMY69 said:
I would take Talat, Asif or any other youngster over UA.

People that support him don’t know cricket and/or have extremely short memories.
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My latest memory was watching our middle order lose 4 wickets in 15 balls. And could you explain what you know of cricket? Ever held a bat?
 
YousafTheBeast said:
My latest memory was watching our middle order lose 4 wickets in 15 balls. And could you explain what you know of cricket? Ever held a bat?
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Umar Akmal would have been dismissed on that hat-trick ball by Tye, going for a wild slog. That’s how bad he is.
 
Usman Chadda said:
How many games have Asif and Talat played as compared to Akmal? It's about time Pakistan fans realize Umar Akmal's career is more or less over now. It will take a miracle for him to turn his career around.
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You’re a ticking like he didn’t average 38-40 a few years ago and that top batting at 6,7,8.

Asif and Talat consider going past 10 runs in a game a achievement. Asif can’t bat. He has power yes and once every few games he’d hit a six and that’s it. He’s not a batsman. He’s nothing.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Better to show intent rather than tapping one like a wuss to mid off!
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Yes we have all seen enough of Umar Akmal’s misguided intent to suggest he never graces the green shirt ever again. Will be a sad day if it happens, unless he turns his career around by some miracle.
 
CricketDon said:
You’re a ticking like he didn’t average 38-40 a few years ago and that top batting at 6,7,8.

Asif and Talat consider going past 10 runs in a game a achievement. Asif can’t bat. He has power yes and once every few games he’d hit a six and that’s it. He’s not a batsman. He’s nothing.
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How long will we hold on to this 38-40 average during a purple patch? How long will we hold on to this ‘potential’ tag this rubbish player apparently has? He was awful in the few years before he was dropped for good. Asif and Talat might turn out to be worse than Akmal (which will difficult to achieve tbh), but we need to give them enough chances to prove their worth. Running back to this joke of a cricketer, who continues to make a mockery of himself and Pakistan cricket, will be unfair to the hundreds toiling away in domestic cricket right now. What has Akmal done to deserve a recall? Has he scored big runs in domestic cricket? Has he scored big in PSL? Or should we select him based on ‘talent’ once again?

What a waste of a thread. Someone as mediocre as Umar Akmal doesn’t deserve a thread to his name.
 
Umar Akmal is way better than Hafeez, Asif or Hussain Talat. A good domestic form should bring him back into the team.
 
This poster who has started this thread...are you for real?
Please.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
My latest memory was watching our middle order lose 4 wickets in 15 balls. And could you explain what you know of cricket? Ever held a bat?
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Yes we lost quick wickets, and I would refer you to my post on the match thread when it was all unfolding.
Far too many novices just like yourself who don’t understand the game.

I would prescribe the same treatment to all of his fans and that is to get some psychological help.

That’s all I have to say because you can’t debate with someone who has such issues.
 
Usman Chadda said:
How long will we hold on to this 38-40 average during a purple patch? How long will we hold on to this ‘potential’ tag this rubbish player apparently has? He was awful in the few years before he was dropped for good. Asif and Talat might turn out to be worse than Akmal (which will difficult to achieve tbh), but we need to give them enough chances to prove their worth. Running back to this joke of a cricketer, who continues to make a mockery of himself and Pakistan cricket, will be unfair to the hundreds toiling away in domestic cricket right now. What has Akmal done to deserve a recall? Has he scored big runs in domestic cricket? Has he scored big in PSL? Or should we select him based on ‘talent’ once again?

What a waste of a thread. Someone as mediocre as Umar Akmal doesn’t deserve a thread to his name.
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What have we seen from Talat and asif huh? They can barely hold a bat. Two duds. Umar Akmal was batsman of the PSL 1 edition. Scored well in domestically an scored 129 last week and 84 today. At least he can play strokes unlike Talat and asif. They can’t bat on a dead track let alone a sea among wicket. Umar Akmal can. Hard to be any worse then him? I’m just gonna end this debate here as you have no regard or respect for quantitive statistics.
 
CricketDon said:
What have we seen from Talat and asif huh? They can barely hold a bat. Two duds. Umar Akmal was batsman of the PSL 1 edition. Scored well in domestically an scored 129 last week and 84 today. At least he can play strokes unlike Talat and asif. They can’t bat on a dead track let alone a sea among wicket. Umar Akmal can. Hard to be any worse then him? I’m just gonna end this debate here as you have no regard or respect for quantitive statistics.
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Alright. What were Akmal’s stats before he got dropped from the team? What were Akmal’s stats in the last two PSL editions? Let’s see you talk quantitative statistics now.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Alright. What were Akmal’s stats before he got dropped from the team? What were Akmal’s stats in the last two PSL editions? Let’s see you talk quantitative statistics now.
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Why last 2 PSL editions? Why not last 3? Averaged 83 in the first edition, nearest pak batsman was maqsood averaging 39.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Why last 2 PSL editions? Why not last 3? Averaged 83 in the first edition, nearest pak batsman was maqsood averaging 39.
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Because we are in 2018, not 2016. And this hero of yours lost us an important match against New Zealand in the T20WC that same year, right after the PSL.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Because we are in 2018, not 2016. And this hero of yours lost us an important match against New Zealand in the T20WC that same year, right after the PSL.
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Averaged 30 in 2016 at 122 strike rate, including 56 not out off 27 balls in NEW ZEALAND, on the kind of pitches where our kind of people bat as though they’ve had their feet glued to the god damn surface
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Averaged 30 in 2016 at 122 strike rate, including 56 not out off 27 balls in NEW ZEALAND, on the kind of pitches where our kind of people bat as though they’ve had their feet glued to the god damn surface
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New Zealand. T20WC. In India. Got dropped after that debacle.
 
For T20s he isn't the worst opition. But in ODIs and tests he will need to score heavily in domestics for a while to have a chance of a recall.
 
If Umar Akmal can prove fitness and continue to perform in domestics, he deserves a recall in LOIs especially given the fact that our ODI and T20I batting line ups are swarmed with accumulators.

I don't like the guy and find him an embarrassment to our country with his cringe worthy stuff he puts up on social media however we have to put our cricket hat on and accept he is by far the most gifted batsman and the best player of pace in Pakistan.
 
Umar Akmal has cost us many games in the past. He is not even a reliable hitter of the ball.
 
He's almost done with his career now. Having talent isn't enough you have to work hard and work on your game.

'Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn't work hard'
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Why last 2 PSL editions? Why not last 3? Averaged 83 in the first edition, nearest pak batsman was maqsood averaging 39.
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I think we went wrong handling Umar Akmal. Focused on his weaknesses rather than his strengths. He hits the ball well, and effortlessly rotates strike. I remember when he was in his prime and considered our best T20 bat, no one else reliably hit like he did in the team. Embrace that he was a slogger, not bash him for it. If he can't handle the pressure of forging out long innings, let him focus on shorter innings where he can go for it. Too many people were worried that he'd be ruined playing like that, but better in the team as a hitter/slogger than not at all. It's really sad such a big talent was lost.

I would have liked to see him open (which is unlikely now), or given a go at 7. And just told to go all out. Especially been watching some of the lower order batsmen we've tried, and I really don't think they're anywhere on the same level as Umar Akmal in terms of hitting ability. Looks like either wild swings, they just dead bat like a tailender, or one dimensional, they're completely deficient in either one of pace or spin.

I'd have him back for the T20 squad if he's back in form and his fitness is good. But he has to be fully fit, part of his game was taking quick singles and if he can't do that, he's not going to be worth it. I would disregard him entirely for tests for now and just focus on making him a limited overs players who's worth is getting quick scores.
 
ads101 said:
I think we went wrong handling Umar Akmal. Focused on his weaknesses rather than his strengths. He hits the ball well, and effortlessly rotates strike. I remember when he was in his prime and considered our best T20 bat, no one else reliably hit like he did in the team. Embrace that he was a slogger, not bash him for it. If he can't handle the pressure of forging out long innings, let him focus on shorter innings where he can go for it. Too many people were worried that he'd be ruined playing like that, but better in the team as a hitter/slogger than not at all. It's really sad such a big talent was lost.

I would have liked to see him open (which is unlikely now), or given a go at 7. And just told to go all out. Especially been watching some of the lower order batsmen we've tried, and I really don't think they're anywhere on the same level as Umar Akmal in terms of hitting ability. Looks like either wild swings, they just dead bat like a tailender, or one dimensional, they're completely deficient in either one of pace or spin.

I'd have him back for the T20 squad if he's back in form and his fitness is good. But he has to be fully fit, part of his game was taking quick singles and if he can't do that, he's not going to be worth it. I would disregard him entirely for tests for now and just focus on making him a limited overs players who's worth is getting quick scores.
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Open to play a similar role like Buttler in T20s? Not comparison. Just my two cents
 
ARK Rafay said:
Open to play a similar role like Buttler in T20s? Not comparison. Just my two cents
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But yeah a bit like Butler. If we go by less lofty comparisons, Kamran used to open for Pakistan and wasn't great, but was at least average in T20s and looked pretty good until he got out. I think Umar could have been a superior version of Kamran. Umar in a lot of ways bats like Kamran, but is a better version of him, and at least did rotate strike far better (which Kamran didn't). And one of the better hitters of pace from Pakistan.

The sad thing is both of the brothers should have really been top players, more so Umar than Kamran but still Kamran had the ability. It is rather irritating that now Kamran for the last few years has been one of the best if not the best domestic batsmen. Which kind of shows if he'd have been dropped for long periods earlier and forced to work on his game, maybe he could have returned at a younger age and had more success in international cricket. At least for Umar it's not too late technically.
 
Another quick 50 by the champion the other day, below are his scores in last 8 matches showing up on cricinfo. Looks like he is regaining back his form. Cant wait to see him back in green.

56 v Sui Sthn Gas
84 v National Bnk
129 v National Bnk
32 v Sui Northern
55 v Sui Northern
19 v Khan RL
33 v Khan RL
92 v FATA
 
I think if Umar Akmal was in the T20 side then we would have won this series 4 nil even though there were only 3 games. Thats what he brings with him.
 
IMMY69 said:
I think if Umar Akmal was in the T20 side then we would have won this series 4 nil even though there were only 3 games. Thats what he brings with him.
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Not only that NZ would have forfeited their tour in fear of the great tubby
 
Looking at all the UA threads being reopened, it certainly feels like Umar Akmal season is back
 
hailian said:
Another quick 50 by the champion the other day, below are his scores in last 8 matches showing up on cricinfo. Looks like he is regaining back his form. Cant wait to see him back in green.

56 v Sui Sthn Gas
84 v National Bnk
129 v National Bnk
32 v Sui Northern
55 v Sui Northern
19 v Khan RL
33 v Khan RL
92 v FATA
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Unless he scores a min of 6-7 centuries in a season, I don't think the selectors or Micky Arthur will be interested
 
Good string of scores. Bring him back for ODI and T20 cricket.

Throw away trash like asif, Rizwan and co.
 
CricketDon said:
Good string of scores. Bring him back for ODI and T20 cricket.

Throw away trash like asif, Rizwan and co.
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Yes and now a quick 49 by him yesterday to help his team (HBL) won the QEA One day cup. he hot the most number of sixes in the tournament.
 
Peoples expectations are too high with him.

He needs to be utilized as an opener.

He'd be the perfect person to take the pressure off of Fakhar.

Umar
Fakhar
Babar
Hafeez
Sarfraz
Malik
 
Chokli said:
So has Afridi
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At least Afridi has his bowling to support his selection. He ran through teams. They may have been weaker teams but at least he was an impact player. I am not completely against Akmal returning but that is due to our lack of dynamic batsmen. But to stand a chance Umar needs to perform in PSL and work on his fitness. He has huge problems against spin also. So I am questioning how much better he is than Asif Ali at the moment.
 
QAE Cup 2018 One Day Most Sixes

22- Umar Akmal (HBL)
18- Asif Afridi (FATA)
17- Khushdil Shah (FATA)
14- Mukhtar Ahmad (Rwp)
13- Zeeshan Malik (Rwp)
 
The Viper said:
At least Afridi has his bowling to support his selection. He ran through teams. They may have been weaker teams but at least he was an impact player. I am not completely against Akmal returning but that is due to our lack of dynamic batsmen. But to stand a chance Umar needs to perform in PSL and work on his fitness. He has huge problems against spin also. So I am questioning how much better he is than Asif Ali at the moment.
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Yes but he still lost us numerous matches with his brainless batting.

We need to lower the expectations, he's not going to be a Virat Kohli or a Rohit Sharma but he can certainly play his role as a Suresh Raina etc.

He's one of best we have and it's better for Pakistan if we use him as best as we can.

It's a huge travesty that we had Asif Ali batting at 6 and not Umar Akmal.

But I think Umar could do better as an opener, Imam isn't the right fit and we need someone other than Fakhar to take the game to the opposition.
 
Umar Akmal last 10 domestic matches run count

49 v WAPDA
39 v Pakistan TV
56 v Sui Sthn Gas
84 v National Bnk
129, 0 v National Bnk
32 v Sui Northern
55, 2 v Sui Northern
19 v Khan RL
33, 4 v Khan RL
92 v FATA
 
Chokli said:
Yes but he still lost us numerous matches with his brainless batting.

We need to lower the expectations, he's not going to be a Virat Kohli or a Rohit Sharma but he can certainly play his role as a Suresh Raina etc.

He's one of best we have and it's better for Pakistan if we use him as best as we can.

It's a huge travesty that we had Asif Ali batting at 6 and not Umar Akmal.

But I think Umar could do better as an opener, Imam isn't the right fit and we need someone other than Fakhar to take the game to the opposition.
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If he returns I would put him at 6. Imam gets too much hate. I think he is a prolific run scorer who does bat a bit slow but has compliments Fakhar perfectly. Umar needs to play as a lower order hitter. The restrictions might favour him as a opener but I feel it is harsh on Imam.
 
hailian said:
Umar Akmal last 10 domestic matches run count

49 v WAPDA
39 v Pakistan TV
56 v Sui Sthn Gas
84 v National Bnk
129, 0 v National Bnk
32 v Sui Northern
55, 2 v Sui Northern
19 v Khan RL
33, 4 v Khan RL
92 v FATA
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Umar Akmal's second and last international ODI century was in 2014 against Afghanistan. These were his miserable scores thereafter

4 - v India Dhaka 2 Mar 2014 ODI # 3479
14* - v Bangladesh Dhaka 4 Mar 2014 ODI # 3482
59 - v Sri Lanka Dhaka 8 Mar 2014 ODI # 3486
15 - v Sri Lanka Hambantota 23 Aug 2014 ODI # 3512
1 - v Sri Lanka Hambantota 26 Aug 2014 ODI # 3515
7 - v Sri Lanka Dambulla 30 Aug 2014 ODI # 3519
46 - v Australia Sharjah 7 Oct 2014 ODI # 3530
5 - v Australia Dubai (DSC) 10 Oct 2014 ODI # 3532
0 - v New Zealand Sharjah 14 Dec 2014 ODI # 3568
29 - v New Zealand Abu Dhabi 17 Dec 2014 ODI # 3570
6 - v New Zealand Abu Dhabi 19 Dec 2014 ODI # 3571
13 - v New Zealand Wellington 31 Jan 2015 ODI # 3596
4 - v New Zealand Napier 3 Feb 2015 ODI # 3598
0 - v India Adelaide 15 Feb 2015 ODI # 3602
59 - v West Indies Christchurch 21 Feb 2015 ODI # 3608
33 - v Zimbabwe Brisbane 1 Mar 2015 ODI # 3620
19 - v U.A.E. Napier 4 Mar 2015 ODI # 3622
13 - v South Africa Auckland 7 Mar 2015 ODI # 3626
20* - v Ireland Adelaide 15 Mar 2015 ODI # 3639
20 - v Australia Adelaide 20 Mar 2015 ODI # 3642
17 - v Australia Brisbane 13 Jan 2017 ODI # 3817
18* - v Australia Melbourne 15 Jan 2017 ODI # 3818
39 - v Australia Perth 19 Jan 2017 ODI # 3820
11 - v Australia Sydney 22 Jan 2017 ODI # 3822
46 - v Australia Adelaide 26 Jan 2017 ODI # 3826

Never want to see this guy play for Pakistan again.
Mentally weak and unreliable.
 
New Yorker said:
Umar Akmal's second and last international ODI century was in 2014 against Afghanistan. These were his miserable scores thereafter

4 - v India Dhaka 2 Mar 2014 ODI # 3479
14* - v Bangladesh Dhaka 4 Mar 2014 ODI # 3482
59 - v Sri Lanka Dhaka 8 Mar 2014 ODI # 3486
15 - v Sri Lanka Hambantota 23 Aug 2014 ODI # 3512
1 - v Sri Lanka Hambantota 26 Aug 2014 ODI # 3515
7 - v Sri Lanka Dambulla 30 Aug 2014 ODI # 3519
46 - v Australia Sharjah 7 Oct 2014 ODI # 3530
5 - v Australia Dubai (DSC) 10 Oct 2014 ODI # 3532
0 - v New Zealand Sharjah 14 Dec 2014 ODI # 3568
29 - v New Zealand Abu Dhabi 17 Dec 2014 ODI # 3570
6 - v New Zealand Abu Dhabi 19 Dec 2014 ODI # 3571
13 - v New Zealand Wellington 31 Jan 2015 ODI # 3596
4 - v New Zealand Napier 3 Feb 2015 ODI # 3598
0 - v India Adelaide 15 Feb 2015 ODI # 3602
59 - v West Indies Christchurch 21 Feb 2015 ODI # 3608
33 - v Zimbabwe Brisbane 1 Mar 2015 ODI # 3620
19 - v U.A.E. Napier 4 Mar 2015 ODI # 3622
13 - v South Africa Auckland 7 Mar 2015 ODI # 3626
20* - v Ireland Adelaide 15 Mar 2015 ODI # 3639
20 - v Australia Adelaide 20 Mar 2015 ODI # 3642
17 - v Australia Brisbane 13 Jan 2017 ODI # 3817
18* - v Australia Melbourne 15 Jan 2017 ODI # 3818
39 - v Australia Perth 19 Jan 2017 ODI # 3820
11 - v Australia Sydney 22 Jan 2017 ODI # 3822
46 - v Australia Adelaide 26 Jan 2017 ODI # 3826

Never want to see this guy play for Pakistan again.
Mentally weak and unreliable.
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Those aren't horrible numbers but he was rightfully dropped and after scoring runs in domestic he should be brought back.

You don't shun out players of his calibre, you need to back them and use them properly.
 
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