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Umesh Yadav 17 odi 18 Wicket,s Average-46 Econ Rate 6.26 Age-25

Wahab Riaz 29 Odi 44 Wicket,s Average-28 Econ Rate 5.65

Umesh 9 Test 32 Wicket,s Average-32

Wahab Riaz 7 Test 17 wicket,s Ave-34

Both have 145kph Pace
 
Wahab Riaz easily. Yadav gets hype just because he's an Indian pacer. Wahab clearly is the better bowler.
 
both are same because both of them have pace but absolutely zero control over line and length.
 
Umesh Yadav took 5 wickets in a warm up game.

A warm up game.

Let him play well for over one year, and not lose pace. Then you can maybe think about opening a thread on him.
 
Zahid87 said:
Umesh Yadav took 5 wickets in a warm up game.

A warm up game.

Let him play well for over one year, and not lose pace. Then you can maybe think about opening a thread on him.
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Indian fan,s has maked 3/4 Thread about Umes yadav

Umesh Yadav isn,t better than any Pakistan pacer in squad Junaid,Irfan.Asad.Wahab.Ehsan
 
Umesh is a hack and played a warmup match with a team like Australia who are rebuilding at the moment. He will not be able to do this in the actual game that matters. People talk about him as if he is the next shoaib akhtar..He breaks down and also gets injured easily..I remmeber indian fans posting about Ishant back when he debuted and then what happened..
 
Umesh is a better Test bowler, Wahab the better one day bowler as of now.

As a ODI bowler, Umesh needs to show massive improvement before becoming a regular in the side. Same can be said of Wahab as well who's had a tough time since his WC semis performance.
 
Re: Umesh Yadav V Wahab Riaz

Snak3eye5 said:
Umesh is a hack and played a warmup match with a team like Australia who are rebuilding at the moment. He will not be able to do this in the actual game that matters. People talk about him as if he is the next shoaib akhtar..He breaks down and also gets injured easily..I remmeber indian fans posting about Ishant back when he debuted and then what happened..
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When was the last time Pakistan beat Australia?
 
Yadav in tests, Riaz in ODIs.

Though given both are pretty talented, you'd have kind of expected better stats. Riaz does have decent stats in ODIs, but it's getting worse all the time.
 
I would say they are both the same type of bowler and at the same level with wahab getting an edge for his late order hitting
 
The biggest reason why Yadav has better stats in tests than Wahab is that he has had a consistent run in the side (whenever he is fit). When you play regularly and consistently, without a fear for your place, your performance automatically improves. Given India's poor bowling resources, he knows he is guaranteed a spot in the team no matter what.

Wahab on the other hand, has no security when it comes to his spot in any Pakistan team. He was always a last choice when Asif, Amir, Gul were around and even after Amir and Asif, others like Tanvir, Cheema, Sohail Tanvir, Junaid and Irfan have been picked before him. Now he has more competition with Asad Ali and Ehsan Adil in the side.

So I dont think you can compare the two at the moment using their stats appropriately unless Wahab seals his spot and plays a few more tests.

I am surprised though his ODI stats are so much better than Yadav.. because he has been a poor ODI bowler. Which only means that Yadav is much worse as an ODI bowler.

I dont think either of them is much to write home about in ODIs quite frankly.
 
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yadav,yadav yadav...... seriously the hype is enormous. lets talk after the champions trophy or even better after the 2015 world cup. this way he will have plenty of time to prove himself. but for the sake of the thread.

statistically i would say wahab but they are both pacers who dont possess control. wahab has to prove himself too that he has learned the art of new ball which i doubt. plus wahab can add depth to batting.
 
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Wahab is taller and handsome than Yadav.

Cuz as far as cricket is concerned there is no comparison :yk

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wahab is an out and out wicket taker, i cant think of any scenario or format where any captain would take any indian pacer over riaz
 
coy0607 said:
wahab is an out and out wicket taker, i cant think of any scenario or format where any captain would take any indian pacer over riaz
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LOL, Yadav lacked control at time but Wahab lacks it all the time. Wahab is out and out wicket taker, lol. An out and out wicket taker sometime gives lot of runs and some time takes wickets efficiently.

Wahab avg Vs: Eng - 27.85 , WI - 38.75, SA - 30.50, NZ - 42.25 ( Always goes for runs, no sub 25 performance)

Yadav avg Vs: Eng - 21.00, WI - 21.22, Aus - 39.35, NZ - 42.80 ( Went for runs twice, and twice sub 25 performance)

Useless comparison but if you are forced to pick one out of these two based on wicket taking abilities in Test cricket then Yadav by some distance. He goes for runs some time but has performed great other times. Why anyone will pick Wahab? He only goes for runs without picking too many wickets. So think again, LOL.

Yadav is new so I don't see why we have so many threads on first page. One is opened by NZ fan to mock Yadav. Second one was opened by an Indian fan to ask if Pakistan can handle Yadav and now a Paskitani fan opens another thread. He is not even the most promising young fast bowler around.
 
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How many matches has he actually played more than one match against to disconstruct stats like that? I think that Aus is the only team he has played a relatively significant amount against, and we all know how that went.
 
endymion248 said:
How many matches has he actually played more than one match against to disconstruct stats like that? I think that Aus is the only team he has played a relatively significant amount against, and we all know how that went.
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Both are new. Wahab has played more than 1 test matches against 3 countries and Yadav has also played more than 1 test matches against 3 countries.

As I said , Yadav is new but Wahab has not done great against any opposition so this claim of out and out wicket taker looks hilarious.
 
Buffet said:
LOL, Yadav lacked control at time but Wahab lacks it all the time. Wahab is out and out wicket taker, lol. An out and out wicket taker sometime gives lot of runs and some time takes wickets efficiently.

Wahab avg Vs: Eng - 27.85 , WI - 38.75, SA - 30.50, NZ - 42.25 ( Always goes for runs, no sub 25 performance)

Yadav avg Vs: Eng - 21.00, WI - 21.22, Aus - 39.35, NZ - 42.80 ( Went for runs twice, and twice sub 25 performance)

Useless comparison but if you are forced to pick one out of these two based on wicket taking abilities in Test cricket then Yadav by some distance. He goes for runs some time but has performed great other times. Why anyone will pick Wahab? He only goes for runs without picking too many wickets. So think again, LOL.

Yadav is new so I don't see why we have so many threads on first page. One is opened by NZ fan to mock Yadav. Second one was opened by an Indian fan to ask if Pakistan can handle Yadav and now a Paskitani fan opens another thread. He is not even the most promising young fast bowler around.
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i dont get why you keep laughing out loud, in fact the only thing lol worthy is comparing stats for these two.. like others have pointed out, yadav has consistently had the captains backing and has been in the playing 11 when he is healthy, wahab has played 29 odis in 5 years and has consistently been the fourth or fifth pacer in the squad.. even right now a lot of people will prefer asad ali over riaz and when you only play a few odis a year, spread out randomly, you wont have great stats.. yadav might be better on paper, but riaz is the more skilled bowler

yadav is only hyped because in a sea of medium pacers he is the first actual fast bowler india has produced... in pakistan yadav would struggle to make first class teams
 
coy0607 said:
i dont get why you keep laughing out loud,
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Both are without too much control. Funny was you comment about Wahab being out and out wicket taking bowler and captains should prefer him in all formats.

He has not been efficient against any opposition tests so far and has strike so much higher than Yadav. That made your comment seems very funny to me. Hope, you get the funny side of your comment.

Comparison was not to show that Yadav is some kind of great but talking uselessly without putting their performance out here is hardly meaningful in any comparison thread.
 
Poor man's Malcolm vs a poorer man's Wasim.
 
HamzaSaeen said:
yes seriously... bowlers who average 46 hardly make it into first class sides!
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Naah, Forget about first class, Sami had a long career of 36 test match with 52+ Avg in Pakistan national team :akhtar
 
HamzaSaeen said:
after all, Sami had enough talunt to be persisted with, only to disappoint!
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It's cool. On serious note, I never understood how he managed to play 36 test matches in bowling line up like Pakistan with 52+ bowling avg.

Equivalent case would be a batsman averaging 5-10. It's hard to imagine a batsman averaging 5-10 and yet play 35+ test match for good batting units like SA/India. I think, such mythical batsman won't be allowed to play 35+ test match even for BD.
 
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Buffet said:
It's cool. On serious note, I never understood how he managed to play 36 test matches in bowling line up like Pakistan with such a pathetic record.
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This has to be the greatest mystery on earth, how did he do that?
 
Buffet said:
It's cool. On serious note, I never understood how he managed to play 36 test matches in bowling line up like Pakistan with 52+ bowling avg.

Equivalent case would be a batsman averaging 5-10. It's hard to imagine a batsman averaging 5-10 and yet play 35+ test match for good batting units like SA/India. I think, such mythical batsman won't be allowed to play 35+ test match even for BD.
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No. Many bowlers nowadays average over 10 nowadays. the correct equivalent case would be an Indian averaging 30.xx in 88 ODIs. Worse still, he continues to be a part of the team for the potential he displays :P
 
Sandeep99 said:
No. Many bowlers nowadays average over 10 nowadays. the correct equivalent case would be an Indian averaging 30.xx in 88 ODIs. Worse still, he continues to be a part of the team for the potential he displays :P
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You lost me here. If you meant batsmen then still I don't get it. I just picked random 5-10 batting average but you can make it 10-15.

52+ bowling avg in test cricket is really out of line for a full time front bowler picking up at least 50+ test wickets. 30 ODI avg is not really out of line. Even now many teams in CT will have batsmen with avg 20-30. BTW, which Indian batsman you are referring to? Is it Rohit Sharma?
 
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Yadav is much more talented, as he can swing the ball at 90mph where as wahab's deliveries are gun barrel straight at 90mph
 
It is funny how people ignore test match stats completely to bring a bowler down.
 
Well Wahab bowls faster.

So far Yadav 147 peak with 142 consistent
So far Wahab 149 peak with 145 consistent
 
So far, Wahab has out bowled Yadav by miles.

Riaz got his line right while Yadav sprayed the ball and got smacked.

Its been only 1 match. Lets see how they bowl as the tournament progresses.
 
Riaz by miles....
Yadav is bowling super duper even mega star according to the indian standards....
Wehab is just a OK bowler .... according to the Pakistani Standards
 
Looks like after every good spell from the either of the 2 this thread will be bumped. :))

They're too early in their career to make a judgement. Both have been smashed to smithereens on flat pitches and shown how lethal they can be with little assistance from pitch.

Saying that so far Wahab has shown more promise.
 
^And Yadav is ahead in tests. Which is why I say whats the hurry in labelling one as better than the other when clearly both haven't even settled into their respective teams as a permanent feature.
 
He does have a striking resemblance to Makhaya Ntini, Yadav.
 
ha ha.... ignore the test stats to show talent of a bowler....

test is called TEST for a reason.... And Yadav is a winner. No brainer.
 
Both have played a hand full of games,,, it's like asking is shika dhawan is better or jammi,


way way to early,

i say when both reached 50 games each in tests and odi's


Wahab is quicker
 
Itachi said:
ha ha.... ignore the test stats to show talent of a bowler....

test is called TEST for a reason.... And Yadav is a winner. No brainer.
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The difference between their Test average=1.5

The difference between their ODI average= Almost 20

So, Riaz is definitely better. No brainer.
 
Itachi said:
ha ha.... ignore the test stats to show talent of a bowler....

test is called TEST for a reason.... And Yadav is a winner. No brainer.
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Your Yadav is probably your FIRST choice bowler, Wahab is our 3rd choice and sometimes 4th..
 
The difference between their Test average=1.5

The difference between their ODI average= Almost 20

So, Riaz is definitely better. No brainer.
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see the number of wickets in test (the ultimate test of a cricketer of his/her potenital)

Umesh 9 Test 32 Wicket,s Average-32

Wahab Riaz 7 Test 17 wicket,s Ave-34
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difference in 2 test is a mind boggling 15 wickets!!!!

PB said:
Your Yadav is probably your FIRST choice bowler, Wahab is our 3rd choice and sometimes 4th..
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ofcourse. cz Yadav > wahab. Hence yadav is 1st choice bowler whilst wahab is 3rd or 4th choice.... i don't see what was your objection here with my post....
 
Itachi said:
ofcourse. cz Yadav > wahab. Hence yadav is 1st choice bowler whilst wahab is 3rd or 4th choice.... i don't see what was your objection here with my post....
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Yeah Yadav has a slight edge over Wahab.
 
WE are comparing Yadav and Wahab in ODI format.

Wahab has S.R of 30 ; Yadav is 44

Wahab is thus about 50% better than Yadav as a STRIKE bowler in this format
 
Itachi said:
see the number of wickets in test (the ultimate test of a cricketer of his/her potenital)



difference in 2 test is a mind boggling 15 wickets!!!!



ofcourse. cz Yadav > wahab. Hence yadav is 1st choice bowler whilst wahab is 3rd or 4th choice.... i don't see what was your objection here with my post....
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1. Difference in wickets is due to the fact that Wahab has bowled a lot less than Umesh in Tests. Their average is similar so if Wahab bowls more he will get more wickets.

2. Look at the number of deliveries bowled. 1485 vs 986.

3. That's flawed logic. Wahab is the 3rd or 4th bowler in our team because our other bowlers are far superior, not because Yadav is better. Yadav in the Pakistani team would also be a 4th option.
 
Yadav is 2-3 KMPH quicker

Wahab is a bit better bowler

both are expensive,,,Yadav 1 RPO more expensive than Wahab
Yadav have better S/R
Wahab have better avg.

early stages but Wahab is just a bit better overall.
 
^ Wahab is faster with a better SR and average.
 
LethalSami said:
Yadav is 2-3 KMPH quicker

Wahab is a bit better bowler

both are expensive,,,Yadav 1 RPO more expensive than Wahab
Yadav have better S/R
Wahab have better avg.

early stages but Wahab is just a bit better overall.
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Wahab is faster. His stats in ODIs are better across the board. In Tests, he has to bowl more.
 
Sledger said:
^ Wahab is faster with a better SR and average.
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wahab has better SR in Odi's...but Yadav has better SR in tests

fastest Wahab bowled in last match was 149 Kph

yet i have seen Yadav clock 153.

Wahab was bowling 145-149 more consistently...so may have better AVG speed....
Yadav have better max (153) than Wahab (149)
 
Itachi said:
ofcourse. cz Yadav > wahab. Hence yadav is 1st choice bowler whilst wahab is 3rd or 4th choice.... i don't see what was your objection here with my post....
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:facepalm:

only reason Yadav is ur 1st choice bowler is because all your other bowlers suck (BKumar > Yadav)

and we have 3-4 better bowlers than Wahab in the squad.

so all you're saying is that Yadav is "Andhon mein kana RAJA" :))
doesn't mean he's better than Wahab.....still a kana Raja :yk
 
LethalSami said:
wahab has better SR in Odi's...but Yadav has better SR in tests

fastest Wahab bowled in last match was 149 Kph

yet i have seen Yadav clock 153.

Wahab was bowling 145-149 more consistently...so may have better AVG speed....
Yadav have better max (153) than Wahab (149)
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Wahab hasn't played tests for 2-3 years. No point comparing tests.

Wahab's max isn't 149.
 
LethalSami said:
wahab has better SR in Odi's...but Yadav has better SR in tests

fastest Wahab bowled in last match was 149 Kph

yet i have seen Yadav clock 153.

Wahab was bowling 145-149 more consistently...so may have better AVG speed....
Yadav have better max (153) than Wahab (149)
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Yadav in his last match did not get above 147. Wahab has gone over 150 plenty of times early in his career.
 
Billu_Barber said:
1. Difference in wickets is due to the fact that Wahab has bowled a lot less than Umesh in Tests. Their average is similar so if Wahab bowls more he will get more wickets.

2. Look at the number of deliveries bowled. 1485 vs 986.

3. That's flawed logic. Wahab is the 3rd or 4th bowler in our team because our other bowlers are far superior, not because Yadav is better. Yadav in the Pakistani team would also be a 4th option.
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I doubt he would make it into our squad really.
 
Billu_Barber said:
Wahab has gone over 150 plenty of times early in his career.
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No, he hasn't. Can you post a video of him clocking 150+. Yesterday is the fastest he has bowled all his life, whereas Yadav's fastest is 153 in ODIs and 154 in tests.
 
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somebody said he clocked 93 MPH against WI in that CT bowling speed thread...

did someone else say it??? i can't bother to watch all his spell again.

i did see him clock 149 KPH twice in the same over....149 KPH = 92.5 MPH
 
HamzaSaeen said:
jealous that all of our 3 pacers can touch and go above 90mph and you have only one? :yk
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No, not jealous. I used to look at Pak's attack with envy but not anymore. The gulf between our bowling and yours is closing whereas the gulf between the batting is as wide as ever :jf
We have a few pacers who can clock 90mph (Aaron, Shukla, Suyal) but they're not in the team.
 
OutKast said:
No, not jealous. I used to look at Pak's attack with envy but not anymore. The gulf between our bowling and yours is closing whereas the gulf between the batting is as wide as ever :jf
We have a few pacers who can clock 90mph (Aaron, Shukla, Suyal) but they're not in the team.
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yup, that is why India won in aanay do series, right? :13:
 
LethalSami said:
somebody said he clocked 93 MPH against WI in that CT bowling speed thread...

did someone else say it??? i can't bother to watch all his spell again.

i did see him clock 149 KPH twice in the same over....149 KPH = 92.5 MPH
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His fastest was 149.4 (92.8 mph) with an average speed of 142 in first spell and 144 in second spell. One over to Pollard was really quick with all deliveries in late 140s.
 
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LethalSami said:
somebody said he clocked 93 MPH against WI in that CT bowling speed thread...

did someone else say it??? i can't bother to watch all his spell again.

i did see him clock 149 KPH twice in the same over....149 KPH = 92.5 MPH
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yes he clocked 150kph in the WI game which is 93MPH.
 
HamzaSaeen said:
yup, that is why India won in aanay do series, right? :13:
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We were playing with plenty of deadweight in that series, who have thankfully been dropped. And the conditions suited Pakistan more than India. There's a reason why you we are ranked No.1 and you are in the bottom half of the table :wasim
 
OutKast said:
We were playing with plenty of deadweight in that series, who have thankfully been dropped. And the conditions suited Pakistan more than India. There's a reason why you we are ranked No.1 and you are in the bottom half of the table :wasim
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the reason you are no.1 is because of your 50000 games yearly against a third class sri lankan side. how did the conditions suit Pakistan more than India when the games were played in India itself? :13:
 
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