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Umesh Yadav vs Wahab Riaz

HamzaSaeen said:
the reason you are no.1 is because of your 50000 games yearly against a third class sri lankan side. how did the conditions suit Pakistan more than India when the games were played in India itself? :13:
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Man you hallucinating. I know yesterday's loss to West Indies has affected you. We didn't play Lanka a single time this year and one series last year.
You think you would have won the series in typical flat batting conditions in India?
 
HamzaSaeen said:
now where can I find the over again? even wasim on commentary said that he was clocking 150.
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In Wahab's last over they showed his fastest and average speeds. You can add 'almost' before 150 if you want :asif
 
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Wahab is way better than The rubbish bowler yadav. Yadav crossed 150 in australia and everybody knows how accurate the speed guns there are. Yadav's speed limit is around 147-148kmph with wayward line n length as his 45+ avg and 6+ econ. rate suggests. Wahab on the other hand is quicker and averages in 20s in ODIs with an econ Rate around 5.
 
My thread is working very well out here
Wahab Faster than Yadav and he proved that
well done Wahab
Wahab Ave pace 146kph
Yadav Ave pace 143kph
 
OutKast said:
No, he hasn't. Can you post a video of him clocking 150+. Yesterday is the fastest he has bowled all his life, whereas Yadav's fastest is 153 in ODIs and 154 in tests.
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We Pakistanis don't record videos each time our bowlers have a 150+ delivery on faulty Australia speed guns where even a 17 year old Amir clocked 154. When Riaz started his career, he clocked 150+ on several occasions against England.
 
endymion248 said:
We Pakistanis don't record videos each time our bowlers have a 150+ delivery on faulty Australia speed guns where even a 17 year old Amir clocked 154. When Riaz started his career, he clocked 150+ on several occasions against England.
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:))) that is true! touching 150 is routine for us!
 
Very easily and confidently i will say Wahab Riaz, Umesh Yadav is still a step behind Wahab Riaz.
 
OutKast said:
I hope that was sarcastic.
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nope it wasn't. we aren't obsessed with pace like you guys, more like we have fast enough pacers to touch 150 every now and then, its too frequent to record videos. must be once in a lifetime for you guys though :yk
 
OutKast said:
Why lie? Wahab's average pace was 144.
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go and check dude
Wahab Riaz pace
Wahab speed <Yadav Speed

Pakistan have 3 pacer why bowled at 90mph yesterday (Wahab.Irfan.Junaid)
India have only 1 pacer
3 V 1
Pakistan pace bowler,s are far faster than Indian pace bowler,s
 
HASHAM2 said:
go and check dude
Wahab Riaz pace
Wahab speed <Yadav Speed

Pakistan have 3 pacer why bowled at 90mph yesterday (Wahab.Irfan.Junaid)
India have only 1 pacer
3 V 1
Pakistan pace bowler,s are far faster than Indian pace bowler,s
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:)))

and that 1 90mph bowler is trash as well. Sami is quicker than yadav and better than yadav by miles in ODIs and still he was kicked out of the team. Goes to show the difference in quality.
 
Madplayer said:
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and that 1 90mph bowler is trash as well. Sami is quicker than yadav and better than yadav by miles in ODIs and still he was kicked out of the team. Goes to show the difference in quality.
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well that 'one' 90mph bowler will become 60mph within a couple of years as with other indian 'pacers', wait and watch...
 
Madplayer said:
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and that 1 90mph bowler is trash as well. Sami is quicker than yadav and better than yadav by miles in ODIs and still he was kicked out of the team. Goes to show the difference in quality.
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that 90mph Bowler have 6.33 econ Rate overall
 
I have seen Wahab clock 93.5 mph a few times when he played for Kent a couple of years ago. So that is 150kph. If you look on YouTube you will find his videos bowling for Kent where he consistently hit 90-93mph and includes the 93.5 Mph video. Anyway the guy has pace but needs to be consistent!
 
HamzaSaeen said:
well that 'one' 90mph bowler will become 60mph within a couple of years as with other indian 'pacers', wait and watch...
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And if that 1 90mph bowler stops bowling 90mph, he will be of no interest for the Indian management because he has got no other weapon in his armoury.
And Just look at his bowling action . Its just a matter of time before he gets injured.
 
Madplayer said:
And if that 1 90mph bowler stops bowling 90mph, he will be of no interest for the Indian management because he has got no other weapon in his armoury.
And Just look at his bowling action . Its just a matter of time before he gets injured.
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yup he has been injured for quite a while already- he is coming back from injury these days. matter of time before he gets a big injury and then loses pace... story of indian pacers.
 
pace is nothing if you dont have control. we have lots of fast pacers you see unlike you guys we seek someone who actually has both pace and control and can swing it both ways and has yorker. when someone says in our domestic there is a bowler hitting 145, we barely show interest unless he further reveals that he can swing it both ways and is good with the old and new ball and has terrific death bowling..... its called standards.

yadav is his start match was going at an economy rate of 8. this not good if you are their main striker whereas riaz was bowling very well. lets see the their next two matches..... besides i already said it compare riaz with yadav after the 2015 WC. we will get a much clearer picture.
 
HamzaSaeen said:
nope it wasn't. we aren't obsessed with pace like you guys, more like we have fast enough pacers to touch 150 every now and then, its too frequent to record videos. must be once in a lifetime for you guys though :yk
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Your fastest bowler has never touched 150 let alone cross it. I guess that's a bitter pill to swallow.
 
Madplayer said:
:)))

and that 1 90mph bowler is trash as well. Sami is quicker than yadav and better than yadav by miles in ODIs and still he was kicked out of the team. Goes to show the difference in quality.
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If Yadav is trash, then so is Riaz. Got spanked for 50 runs in 4 overs by Kohli and Co. If he had been allowed to complete his quota, he might have broken some bowling records and made Pakistan proud. He was so good that day that you guys started abusing him and his family on twitter.
 
I would rate Wahab riaz .. ahead of yadav..

but i think Yadav has lot more potential..
 
I would rate Wahab riaz .. ahead of yadav..

but i think Yadav has lot more potential..
 
OutKast said:
If Yadav is trash, then so is Riaz. Got spanked for 50 runs in 4 overs by Kohli and Co. If he had been allowed to complete his quota, he might have broken some bowling records and made Pakistan proud. He was so good that day that you guys started abusing him and his family on twitter.
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That was 1 match. Even malinga was thrashed by kohli in australia ,that is class of kohli. Now does that mean yadav is better than malinga?

Whats their career econ. rate anyways?
 
Madplayer said:
Whats their career econ. rate anyways?
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Wahab is a better ODI bowler with a better average and ER.
Yadav is a better Test bowler with a better average and SR of 46 compared to Wahab's 58.
Yadav has bowled faster than Wahab in terms of Top speed.
Currently in the Champions Trophy, Wahab has bowled faster than Yadav based on 1 match.
 
OutKast said:
Wahab is a better ODI bowler with a better average and ER.
Yadav is a better Test bowler with a better average and SR of 46 compared to Wahab's 58.
Yadav has bowled faster than Wahab in terms of Top speed.
Currently in the Champions Trophy, Wahab has bowled faster than Yadav based on 1 match.
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So u agree wahab is currently quicker than yadav? Thats the whole point of this thread. Great that u accepted it. :D

And as far as test Avg is concerned there is a difference of just 2 between wahab and yadav while there are lightyears in between their ODI avg.
 
OutKast said:
Wahab is a better ODI bowler with a better average and ER.
Yadav is a better Test bowler with a better average and SR of 46 compared to Wahab's 58.
Yadav has bowled faster than Wahab in terms of Top speed.
Currently in the Champions Trophy, Wahab has bowled faster than Yadav based on 1 match.
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not based on one match
Overall Wahab is faster than Yadav
 
we really don't care if anybody Pakistani clocks 150, its normal.
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like i said pace is not our only criteria infact its not a strong one either. We hear someone is pacey in our domestic we say SO? unless it is further revealed that he can swing it both ways, is good with the new and the old ball and can bowl yorkers and can bowl in death.

Irfan could have bowled at 153 kph and he wouldnt have made it into the team unless he had control. same with wahab. we have standards in our bowling we dont go gaga just bcz someone threw 150 bullets. besides i still say to early to compare. As yadav will have to prove himself in the next few matches whether he can bowl with control and a good leaf for comparison would be a few years later in both of their careers.
 
saiyan0312 said:
like i said pace is not our only criteria infact its not a strong one either. We hear someone is pacey in our domestic we say SO? unless it is further revealed that he can swing it both ways, is good with the new and the old ball and can bowl yorkers and can bowl in death.

Irfan could have bowled at 153 kph and he wouldnt have made it into the team unless he had control. same with wahab. we have standards in our bowling we dont go gaga just bcz someone threw 150 bullets. besides i still say to early to compare. As yadav will have to prove himself in the next few matches whether he can bowl with control and a good leaf for comparison would be a few years later in both of their careers.
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this is what I was exactly trying to say. there is a reason why Asif played over Sami after all. our neighbours our over obsessed with pace because they never had anyone express.
 
our neighbours our over obsessed with pace because they never had anyone express.
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exactly. yadav in the last match was not impressive. flat track or not he was being expensive. going at an economy rate of 9 when you are their main bowler is not deserving of praise. i will still hold my judgment about him till the next match which should provide a better view.
 
Wahab is a poor bowler. Dont care how quick he is. He got spanked for 93 runs in an ODI against South Africa. That must be a record of some kind.
 
Wahab is a poor bowler. Dont care how quick he is. He got spanked for 93 runs in an ODI against South Africa. That must be a record of some kind.
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nobody cares about his speed but he has shown improvement in the last match. lets see if he can keep it up.
 
gabbarsingh said:
Wahab is a poor bowler. Dont care how quick he is. He got spanked for 93 runs in an ODI against South Africa. That must be a record of some kind.
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and Yadav averages 46 in ODIs with an economy above 6. that must also be a record of some kind.
 
Umesh Yadav V Wahab Riaz

gabbarsingh said:
Wahab is a poor bowler. Dont care how quick he is. He got spanked for 93 runs in an ODI against South Africa. That must be a record of some kind.
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Ok so Wahab is a poor bowler so then what is Yadav? An even poorer bowler? Wahab is the third seamer in our attack and that's only because Gul is injured. In fact 9 out of 10 people here on PP would have selected Asad over Wahab for the first match.
 
Meh, hard to compare across 7 (Riaz) and 9 (Yadav) Tests and 30 (Riaz) and 18 ODIs (Yadav). There's not much between the two.

Wahab is the more finished product at this stage IMO, but I also get the feeling that Riaz's development is more or less complete. Yadav has some ways to go.

In any case Yadav is likely to have more opportunities given the our paucity of fast bowling options.
 
Wahab is better than Yadav, and Wahab is not even a permanent member of our side, whereas Yadav will make it into India side more often than not. Shows the difference of quality really.
 
Madplayer said:
Oh what an achievement. He must be an Indian great already.
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:akhtar No doubt about it.

In reality, Wahab is a much better bowler than Yadav and despite that, he should be replaced by Asad Ali who is a real talent.
 
Compares with Wahab who bowled at 147's in his second over vs Windies at The Oval
 
Re: Umesh Yadav V Wahab Riaz

Wahabi is consistently quicker.
 
Whats the latest wahab is pays ng a test match :nehra will yadav play for india later today i guess he is not in the squad
 
Wahab is a tad more aggressive and can hurry the batsmen. Yadav has more wicket taking ability because he swings the ball more than Wahab. Both are spray guns though. They need to improve their economy rate.
 
Yadav isn't in the same class, ability-wise. Does have some pace though which is why he is overhyped. Wouldn't get a second look if he got smashed around while bowling at 135 kph instead of getting smashed around while bowling 145 kph.
 
Wahab has done more on the big stages..He was pretty ordinary in between world cups.
In terms of using pace and agression Wahab is MILES ahead. This World cup he showed control over his pace too
yadav has improved his bowling ALOT but still has no control. He can get you wickets but get Smashed around the park which is what is happening to him these days
But I think Wahab is overall the more skillful bowler
I've never seen a Yadav spell that has impressed me
 
Btw let's not make this into another silly thread, Pakistanis know about fast bowling, Indians don't. We had a Junaid Khan vs. B. Kumar thread go on for 20 pages because Indians genuinely thought there compared.

Yadav isn't fit enough to tie Wahab's shoe laces. People claiming he is better than Wahab because he took more wickets in the WC are delusional, by the same logic Brendan Taylor > Smith/Kohli.
 
Orbis said:
Btw let's not make this into another silly thread, Pakistanis know about fast bowling, Indians don't. We had a Junaid Khan vs. B. Kumar thread go on for 20 pages because Indians genuinely thought there compared.

Yadav isn't fit enough to tie Wahab's shoe laces. People claiming he is better than Wahab because he took more wickets in the WC are delusional, by the same logic Brendan Taylor > Smith/Kohli.
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By the same logic Afridi is also best bowler in the world because he was the leading wicket-taker of the 2011 world cup.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Look up their stats in ODIs from last 2 years.
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lol 2 years? Look at Sangakkara's record for the past 5-10 years and I am confident it is way better than Tendulkar's. Therefore he must be better (which he is anyway).
 
cricketjoshila said:
Look up their stats in ODIs from last 2 years.
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Stats aren't everything. Do you not watch cricket?

A 2 year period doesn't determine who is better. Why not look at their whole careers? They have played a similar number of games and Wahab has better stats. Wahab has been in and out of the team but India persisted with Yadav despite him being absolute rubbish at the start of his career. While Wahab wasn't given a consistent run due to the competition.

Also, Amla has been great statistically and better than Kohli statistically, but Indians still consider Kohli to be better. Why?
 

Stats aren't everything. Do you not watch cricket?
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Stats give a neutral view point.And i can tell you i have watched enough cricket.

A 2 year period doesn't determine who is better. Why not look at their whole careers? They have played a similar number of games and Wahab has better stats.
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They have also played similar number of matches since 1 Jan 2013

Yadav 49 wickets @ 25.8 in 31 matches

Riaz 37 wickets @ 35 in 29 matches

See the huge difference in performance in last 2 years when they have played almost similar number of matches.Yadav is far ahead of Riaz

Now lets see what they have done since 1 Jan 2014

Yadav 37 wickets @ 21.5 in 20 matches

Riaz 29 wickets @ 26.3 in 15 matches

Again Yadav is comfortably ahead

Now coming to their career performances

Yadav 67 wickets @ 31.44 in 48 matches

Riaz 77 wickets @ 30.2 in 54 matches

Here Riaz is ahead by a small margin.

Considering neither one has a very long career and both of them have played more than 50% of their matches in last 2 years Yadav is ahead of Riaz.

Wahab has been in and out of the team but India persisted with Yadav despite him being absolute rubbish at the start of his career. While Wahab wasn't given a consistent run due to the competition.
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I guess you have no idea about Yadav.Yadav have been out of the team with a back stress fracture and had to modify his action and has been out of the team for a long time and then been in and out of the team while India preferred the likes of Mohit Sharma/Vinay Kumar and co.

So this consistent run argument doesnt stick as both have played almost similar number of matches since 1 jan 2013.


Also, Amla has been great statistically and better than Kohli statistically, but Indians still consider Kohli to be better. Why?
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In Limited overs cricket Kohli is considered slightly better because Kohli has played some very good innings chasing and also because Kohli is miles ahead of the batsman Amla is in T20s.Amla comfortably beats Kohli in Test matches.Overall Amla is a better bat.
 
Orbis said:
lol 2 years? Look at Sangakkara's record for the past 5-10 years and I am confident it is way better than Tendulkar's. Therefore he must be better (which he is anyway).
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How many have Sanga scored in AUS and SA?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Stats give a neutral view point.And i can tell you i have watched enough cricket.



They have also played similar number of matches since 1 Jan 2013

Yadav 49 wickets @ 25.8 in 31 matches

Riaz 37 wickets @ 35 in 29 matches

See the huge difference in performance in last 2 years when they have played almost similar number of matches.Yadav is far ahead of Riaz

Now lets see what they have done since 1 Jan 2014

Yadav 37 wickets @ 21.5 in 20 matches

Riaz 29 wickets @ 26.3 in 15 matches

Again Yadav is comfortably ahead

Now coming to their career performances

Yadav 67 wickets @ 31.44 in 48 matches

Riaz 77 wickets @ 30.2 in 54 matches

Here Riaz is ahead by a small margin.

Considering neither one has a very long career and both of them have played more than 50% of their matches in last 2 years Yadav is ahead of Riaz.



I guess you have no idea about Yadav.Yadav have been out of the team with a back stress fracture and had to modify his action and has been out of the team for a long time and then been in and out of the team while India preferred the likes of Mohit Sharma/Vinay Kumar and co.

So this consistent run argument doesnt stick as both have played almost similar number of matches since 1 jan 2013.




In Limited overs cricket Kohli is considered slightly better because Kohli has played some very good innings chasing and also because Kohli is miles ahead of the batsman Amla is in T20s.Amla comfortably beats Kohli in Test matches.Overall Amla is a better bat.
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Lol.
Wahab had two very poor years. (2012 & 2013) - apart from that he's been pretty good.
Yadav is just a spraygun - don't rate him at all. Shami, BK are better options.
 
Orbis said:
Wahab doesn't go for 10 runs an over in test matches
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This is the key matter.

Umesh Yadav was worse on this season's Test tour of Australia than the previous one. He is a club cricketer with a bit of pace. I don't think he could get into the Bangladesh team, and if he was Pakistani he would be in their C or D team. Wahab has not achieved what he should have, but at least he is a proper bowler.

Yadav's World Cup means as much as Geoff Allott's did in 1999. He basically got wickets due to scoreboard pressure created by his batting teammates.
 
No_Username said:
So in your opinion Yadav is better than Wahab because he got 2/3 wickets more than Wahab in the world cup?
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No. What I meant was that Yadav had performed too. Some comments indicated that Yadav can't even touch Wahab's shoe laces. That's ridiculous. Umesh did well in the WC. Wahab was a mediocre bowler not too long ago spraying the ball around. However, I believe that the WC is definitely a turning point for Wahab and is right now a better bowler than Umesh but not by much
 
Junaids said:
This is the key matter.

Umesh Yadav was worse on this season's Test tour of Australia than the previous one. He is a club cricketer with a bit of pace. I don't think he could get into the Bangladesh team, and if he was Pakistani he would be in their C or D team. Wahab has not achieved what he should have, but at least he is a proper bowler.

Yadav's World Cup means as much as Geoff Allott's did in 1999. He basically got wickets due to scoreboard pressure created by his batting teammates.
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Bowling a 145 KMPH swinging ball is not a joke. If you believe that Pakistan 'C or 'D' have a bowler who can do that then you must be in denial. The problem with Yadav is that he experiments too much. Once he sees some out swing, he tries for the glory ball (bowl leg expecting it to hit off) and goes for plenty. Wasim commented recently that he is working with Yadav at KKR to make sure he bowls a consistent line.
 
Rhony
Pakistan A: Rahat, Amir, Junaid
Pakistan B: Wahab, Ehsan Adil, Asif
Pakistan C: Umar Gul, Irfan, Sohail
Pakistan D: Imran, Sami.....

As you can see, Yadav might get into Pakistan D, but more likely Pakistan E.
 
Junaids said:
Rhony
Pakistan A: Rahat, Amir, Junaid
Pakistan B: Wahab, Ehsan Adil, Asif
Pakistan C: Umar Gul, Irfan, Sohail
Pakistan D: Imran, Sami.....

As you can see, Yadav might get into Pakistan D, but more likely Pakistan E.
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Pakistan A: Let's see how Rahat does in the next few games. He didn't do too well against AUS in QF but looks a good prospect. Amir is actually not even in Pakistan D yet and you named him in Pakistan A. Taking a few wickets against brick layers and labourers isn't a comeback yet. Junaid did well a couple of years but actually hasn't done much since then. There is a reason why he isn't in the original 15 for BD tour initially.
Pakistan B: Wahab should be in Pakistan A not in B. Ehsan Adil is one of the worst bowlers that played for Pakistan recently. Vinay Kumar from India is a better wicket taker than this trundler. Asif..Are you serious? That dude's banned and his career is over. Are you going to name Wasim and Waqar too now?
Pakistan C: Umar Gul is dead. He is not the bowler he once was. Irfan is not fit but definitely belongs in pakistan A. Sohail has heart and is a decent bowler but is no way the better bowler than Umesh.
Pakistan D: Imran is a decent test bowler. He probably has potential. We'll see. Sami- Seriously? A proven sprayt gun who got flayed by even tailenders everywhere. He's no talent. He's getting wickets in Pakistan DOmestic circuit because the domestic batsmen are pathetic.

As you can see, Pakistani bowling is not as good as you initially thought. SOme of them are actually banned, injury prone or old. Umesh is better than each of these bowlers except for Wahab, Irfan (height factor).
 
Also, every bowler you mentioned except for Wahab and maybe Juanid would not be in anyone's 11 because they are terrible fielders. They can't even catch flu!!!
 
Junaids said:
This is the key matter.

Umesh Yadav was worse on this season's Test tour of Australia than the previous one. He is a club cricketer with a bit of pace. I don't think he could get into the Bangladesh team, and if he was Pakistani he would be in their C or D team. Wahab has not achieved what he should have, but at least he is a proper bowler.

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rhony said:
Bowling a 145 KMPH swinging ball is not a joke. If you believe that Pakistan 'C or 'D' have a bowler who can do that then you must be in denial.
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LOL, you are dealing with a massive Pakistani fan who trolls non-stop in PP and if it's genuine comments then imagine ....

Yadav won't get into BD team, club cricketer and so on.... What an insight here.

If anything, Yadav is a bowler with genuine potentials because not many young bowlers can get late swing with genuine pace. He should have played in all away test series but Indians don't know how to support genuine fast bowlers with essential tools to succeed in international cricket. He lacks control but has tools to do well in international cricket. If he can't get control then he will be useless but anyone with decent control with his ability is always going to trouble batsmen.
 
Riaz is better if he can consistently bowl like he did in the Aussie match. Yadav needs more time.
 
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