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Unimpressed with batting talent so far in PSL 3

This Dubai pitch is excellent pitch to bat on, Ronchi, Watson and Pietersen showed it today.

No excuses for the failures here. Teams should become ruthless in their selections now. Drop the underperformers.
 
This Dubai pitch is excellent pitch to bat on, Ronchi, Watson and Pietersen showed it today.

No excuses for the failures here. Teams should become ruthless in their selections now. Drop the underperformers.

Those three really showed the disparity in class and power between the top world batsmen and Pakistan's best. Watching Babar Azam and Rizwan scratching around in comparison was painful. It was like watching a senior team playing a bunch of schoolboys.

PSL has been very useful in that regard, at least the gulf in class becomes very obvious.
 
Just seven fours and two sixes chasing 180. It looked like a good wicket to bat on. This was even more boring than that Bangladesh innings.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] ‘s ESL. Exciting super league :P
 
Those three really showed the disparity in class and power between the top world batsmen and Pakistan's best. Watching Babar Azam and Rizwan scratching around in comparison was painful. It was like watching a senior team playing a bunch of schoolboys.

PSL has been very useful in that regard, at least the gulf in class becomes very obvious.

Read too high praises about Babar in PP, looks like he is heading in wrong direction or PSL is one off, time will answer !
 
This Dubai pitch is excellent pitch to bat on, Ronchi, Watson and Pietersen showed it today.

No excuses for the failures here. Teams should become ruthless in their selections now. Drop the underperformers.

Scary thing is all three are retired from International cricket I guess :sree
 
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Read too high praises about Babar in PP, looks like he is heading in wrong direction or PSL is one off, time will answer !

He's technically Pakistan's best current batsman, but not suited to T20 cricket. Even in ODIs where he's got a good record, he's often scored much slower than necessary. He's a very selfish batsman in my view, he wastes a lot of balls even in the 20 over format with dot balls.
 
Just seven fours and two sixes chasing 180. It looked like a good wicket to bat on. This was even more boring than that Bangladesh innings.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] ‘s ESL. Exciting super league :P

Yeah everytime a team hits 180 in the IPL, the chasing team scores 179



Is anybody forcing you to watch these boring matches?
 
To be fair that was one of the worst run-chases I have ever seen :danish

Very much so... but what is the point of this stupid point scoring? Is every match in the IPL a thriller that goes down to the last ball? Who the hell are these Indians to bad mouth PSL. Is anybody forcing them to watch it?
 
Look at who KK opened the batting with... with those openers they are telling the opposition that we are here for fun only and not to win:asif
 
Yeah everytime a team hits 180 in the IPL, the chasing team scores 179



Is anybody forcing you to watch these boring matches?

I didn’t say anything about the IPL.

It was a poor chase by T20 standards. It’s not the final score, but the manner in which they went about chasing it that made it boring. Seven fours and two sixes.

And how would I know whether a game is going to be boring or not?! Yesterday’s match had a nail biting finish. Today it’s the opposite. This inconsistency is the subject of this thread I guess. I’m not bad mouthing the PSL. It’s not an empty stadium league. But it’s no exciting super league either. It should improve. Fans should demand more.
 
Very much so... but what is the point of this stupid point scoring? Is every match in the IPL a thriller that goes down to the last ball? Who the hell are these Indians to bad mouth PSL. Is anybody forcing them to watch it?

Cool brother... Like I said in some other thread, every league will get good and bad comments / criticism from cricket fans around the world.

IPL coped a lot of criticism for last 10 years and grown tall inspite.

PSL is keeping her baby steps, don't be so defensive about it, if product is good will reach what it deserves at some stage #Peace

Critics are good teachers than people who praise all the time. One learns a lot from his critics, same can happen with PSL orgsnisers and they can iron out obvious flaws in coming seasons.
 
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Ahmed Shehzad so far this season:

Average of 20, Strike rate of 82, played 7 innings.

MS should drop him if they're serious about challenging for the title.
 
He looked so bad in that knock of 27 and that is his best performance to date. Where are they finding these deadbeat players?

I know he is a pretty mediocre bat but I can bet a 100 bucks if he hadn't played his innings LQ would have been bowled out shot of the mark
 
I know he is a pretty mediocre bat but I can bet a 100 bucks if he hadn't played his innings LQ would have been bowled out shot of the mark

That's because their whole batting line up stinks. Gulfraiz could have been out half a dozen times in that 27. He was either mistiming his shots or missing the ball completely when he tried to hit the ball harder.
 
[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] u must mean unimpressed with batting of ttf's this season, young bucks havent really given a fair go at all.... talat too gets to sit so sir misbah can go give us dashing 12* (18) amazing 4 (10) and out of this world 22 (25) knocks.
 
[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] u must mean unimpressed with batting of ttf's this season, young bucks havent really given a fair go at all.... talat too gets to sit so sir misbah can go give us dashing 12* (18) amazing 4 (10) and out of this world 22 (25) knocks.

But but but you don't watch the match and that 10 ball 4 is needed to stabilize the innings.
 
How can the likes of Farhan and Talat announce themselves by playing as specialist fielders only?
 
But but but you don't watch the match and that 10 ball 4 is needed to stabilize the innings.

yar jhootay ilzaam mat lagaoo.... meiney innings dekhi thi misbah ki, haan i was distracted a bit as i fell asleep in between, then went to work came back took kids to playground came back did a quick lahori ghussal, put kids to sleep, and finally when freed up what do you know, sir misbah was in pristine form still out there.... going head on for a DRAW to save the T20 for us....
 
yar jhootay ilzaam mat lagaoo.... meiney innings dekhi thi misbah ki, haan i was distracted a bit as i fell asleep in between, then went to work came back took kids to playground came back did a quick lahori ghussal, put kids to sleep, and finally when freed up what do you know, sir misbah was in pristine form still out there.... going head on for a DRAW to save the T20 for us....

Lool this is the logic misbah's friend apply. Can't wait for him to leave.
 
Khushdil Shah was in good form before the PSL - gets a chance today and doesn't take it. Out for 8 from 11 balls.
 
[MENTION=143775]backfootpunch[/MENTION]

Most of your criticisms regarding Rohit are actually valid, and that is why he is not as good as Kohli or Dhawan. However, in spite of these relatives shortcomings, he is way, way ahead of Fakhar at this point for this to even be a comparison.

Let Fakhar play 100+ matches and score 10+ tons, and that is when this comparison will have any legs.

Rohit is a world class ODI opener. However, his slow starts and problem with the incoming delivery are two reasons why he is unlikely to become an ATG in this format. I agree that the 170 that he scored in Australia is probably the weakest 150+ ODI score that I can think, but if we micro-analyze, then we will find faults in most innings.

Fakhar himself got out on a lowly score in the CT final. However, it was still a good innings and credit should be given to him. Similarly, a 170 cannot be written off entirely. It could have been better but it was still a top innings. However, Rohit has played far better innings than that.

There are two sides of your argument: The criticism of Rohit which is largely valid, and the notion that Fakhar is better than him and more resilient which I think is completely ridiculous.

Fakhar has only played 13 games in his career so far, and he is only a couple of years younger. There is absolutely no way you can even put the two in the same sentence. As I said, at this point, this is as bad a comparison as Umar and Kohli.

Rohit has been one of the top ODI openers in the world for 5 years now and has scored runs all over the world. He has 15 ODI tons and 3 double-tons to his name, and you are comparing him to a batsman with 13 ODIs to his name only, who has the tendency of throwing his wicket away for cheap scores almost all the time, and is completely unproven in 80% of the countries.

Rohit is not as clutch as Dhawan or Kohli, but he is still a better pressure player than the serial bottler Amla. Moreover, one good tournament by Fakhar does not make him more resilient than Rohit. Grant Elliot has played two match-winning knocks in two semifinals, but would I take him over Amla as an ODI batsman? Of course not, simply because the gulf between the two players is too big for a couple of knocks to bridge the gap.

Can Fakhar be a better player than Rohit in the future? Highly unlikely, but it is possible. If he can score 15+ tons over the 200 or so ODIs that he will play for Pakistan and deliver in World Cups, he will have a strong case. However, I will not bet on it, because we do not know how to develop batsmen. The chances of Fakhar falling apart are much higher than his chances of becoming a top player.
 
Rohit has extremely high peaks followed by inconsistent and lazy attitude.

Personally, his peaks are even higher than Kohli on a certain day but would u rate Rohit better than Kohli?

Now Fakhar and Sharjeel might not be as good as Rohit (an open assumption now) but Fakhar might eclipse Rohit because of consistency.

To have high peaks followed by deep valleys doesnt really mean you are amazing.

It means height of inconsistency.

Just my opinion.

He is obviously not better than Kohli, but he is a world class ODI player by any measure. His inconsistency is often overblown because of his consistent failures against the incoming delivery. However, he has been quite consistent ever since he started to open in 2013, and he has scored runs against all teams.

You cannot score 17 hundreds including numerous 150s and 3 double-hundreds in less than 5 years without being consistent.

Fakhar might or might not eclipse him in the future (chances are very high that he will not), but it is utterly ridiculous to bring him to the table at this point. He has only 13 ODIs to his name.
 
[MENTION=143775]backfootpunch[/MENTION]

Most of your criticisms regarding Rohit are actually valid, and that is why he is not as good as Kohli or Dhawan. However, in spite of these relatives shortcomings, he is way, way ahead of Fakhar at this point for this to even be a comparison.

Let Fakhar play 100+ matches and score 10+ tons, and that is when this comparison will have any legs.

Rohit is a world class ODI opener. However, his slow starts and problem with the incoming delivery are two reasons why he is unlikely to become an ATG in this format. I agree that the 170 that he scored in Australia is probably the weakest 150+ ODI score that I can think, but if we micro-analyze, then we will find faults in most innings.

Fakhar himself got out on a lowly score in the CT final. However, it was still a good innings and credit should be given to him. Similarly, a 170 cannot be written off entirely. It could have been better but it was still a top innings. However, Rohit has played far better innings than that.

There are two sides of your argument: The criticism of Rohit which is largely valid, and the notion that Fakhar is better than him and more resilient which I think is completely ridiculous.

Fakhar has only played 13 games in his career so far, and he is only a couple of years younger. There is absolutely no way you can even put the two in the same sentence. As I said, at this point, this is as bad a comparison as Umar and Kohli.

Rohit has been one of the top ODI openers in the world for 5 years now and has scored runs all over the world. He has 15 ODI tons and 3 double-tons to his name, and you are comparing him to a batsman with 13 ODIs to his name only, who has the tendency of throwing his wicket away for cheap scores almost all the time, and is completely unproven in 80% of the countries.

Rohit is not as clutch as Dhawan or Kohli, but he is still a better pressure player than the serial bottler Amla. Moreover, one good tournament by Fakhar does not make him more resilient than Rohit. Grant Elliot has played two match-winning knocks in two semifinals, but would I take him over Amla as an ODI batsman? Of course not, simply because the gulf between the two players is too big for a couple of knocks to bridge the gap.

Can Fakhar be a better player than Rohit in the future? Highly unlikely, but it is possible. If he can score 15+ tons over the 200 or so ODIs that he will play for Pakistan and deliver in World Cups, he will have a strong case. However, I will not bet on it, because we do not know how to develop batsmen. The chances of Fakhar falling apart are much higher than his chances of becoming a top player.
[MENTION=143775]backfootpunch[/MENTION]

17 hundreds, multiple 150+ scores and 3 double-hundreds.
 
[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] u must mean unimpressed with batting of ttf's this season, young bucks havent really given a fair go at all.... talat too gets to sit so sir misbah can go give us dashing 12* (18) amazing 4 (10) and out of this world 22 (25) knocks.

Unimpressed with all Pakistani batting talent if I'm honest.

Apart from the odd glimpse here and there from Hussain Talat, 2 shots by Saif Badar and a few shots by Agha Salman, I've not seen much to excite me.
 
Unimpressed with all Pakistani batting talent if I'm honest.

Apart from the odd glimpse here and there from Hussain Talat, 2 shots by Saif Badar and a few shots by Agha Salman, I've not seen much to excite me.

ofcourse, if we are to be honest, so far not a single bat has impressed, no player came to crease and made us go THIS IS THE GUY... so far everyone looks acerage... lots still to be desired...
 
[MENTION=143775]backfootpunch[/MENTION]

Most of your criticisms regarding Rohit are actually valid, and that is why he is not as good as Kohli or Dhawan. However, in spite of these relatives shortcomings, he is way, way ahead of Fakhar at this point for this to even be a comparison.

Let Fakhar play 100+ matches and score 10+ tons, and that is when this comparison will have any legs.

Rohit is a world class ODI opener. However, his slow starts and problem with the incoming delivery are two reasons why he is unlikely to become an ATG in this format. I agree that the 170 that he scored in Australia is probably the weakest 150+ ODI score that I can think, but if we micro-analyze, then we will find faults in most innings.

Fakhar himself got out on a lowly score in the CT final. However, it was still a good innings and credit should be given to him. Similarly, a 170 cannot be written off entirely. It could have been better but it was still a top innings. However, Rohit has played far better innings than that.

There are two sides of your argument: The criticism of Rohit which is largely valid, and the notion that Fakhar is better than him and more resilient which I think is completely ridiculous.

Fakhar has only played 13 games in his career so far, and he is only a couple of years younger. There is absolutely no way you can even put the two in the same sentence. As I said, at this point, this is as bad a comparison as Umar and Kohli.

Rohit has been one of the top ODI openers in the world for 5 years now and has scored runs all over the world. He has 15 ODI tons and 3 double-tons to his name, and you are comparing him to a batsman with 13 ODIs to his name only, who has the tendency of throwing his wicket away for cheap scores almost all the time, and is completely unproven in 80% of the countries.

Rohit is not as clutch as Dhawan or Kohli, but he is still a better pressure player than the serial bottler Amla. Moreover, one good tournament by Fakhar does not make him more resilient than Rohit. Grant Elliot has played two match-winning knocks in two semifinals, but would I take him over Amla as an ODI batsman? Of course not, simply because the gulf between the two players is too big for a couple of knocks to bridge the gap.

Can Fakhar be a better player than Rohit in the future? Highly unlikely, but it is possible. If he can score 15+ tons over the 200 or so ODIs that he will play for Pakistan and deliver in World Cups, he will have a strong case. However, I will not bet on it, because we do not know how to develop batsmen. The chances of Fakhar falling apart are much higher than his chances of becoming a top player.

To say what Fakhar is to Umar as Rohit is to Kohli in this comparison is very harsh on the Pakistani batsman especially when he's won his team the CT as the one man army in the batting line up. What he's achieved in an ICC 50 over tournament is something which no Pakistani batsman has ever even come to close to accomplishing.

Yes Rohit is the better player but given how he's failed against top 6 opposition since 2013 CT in ICC tournaments and seems to choke the most in the biggest matches (2015 WC Pakistan match, 2015 WC semi, 2017 CT final and etc) I don't see no hope of him succeeding in next year's WC.

As for Fakhar given his technical deficiencies he may also be a flop in next year's WC but if you had to pick one of these 2, I'd go for Fakhar who is much more calm under pressure and will take confidence from knowing that he has "been there and done that" as they say.

You think it is irrational to compare these two but I think it is irrational to pick Rohit over Fakhar today in a 50 over ICC tournament for the above reasons. Rohit's laziness in approach and Strike rate (under 100 runs) is unacceptable, which actually makes him a liability and potential match loser as evident against Australia 3 years ago at the SCG.
 
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ofcourse, if we are to be honest, so far not a single bat has impressed, no player came to crease and made us go THIS IS THE GUY... so far everyone looks acerage... lots still to be desired...

Well Hussain Talat is probably the best of a not so great bunch. But even then he's not set the tournament alight has he.
 
Well Hussain Talat is probably the best of a not so great bunch. But even then he's not set the tournament alight has he.

Neither did Fakhar. He scored one fifty I think and just showed a few other glimpses of his aggression.
 
Ronchi and Hales were on a different level to the Pakistan batsmen we've seen so far. Not only because of their aggression, but they used good cricketing shots and played their shots with some calculation, not just slog by numbers.

I didn't include Pollard even though his innings was the most brutal, because it was a losing effort, and a lot of his game depends on luck. Umar Akmal and Sohaib Maqsood look a bit ordinary in comparison.
 
It's been really bad. Only two Pakistani batsmen who have been doing well are Talat and Malik. Maybe Faheem and Maqsood too to an extent (Faheems done well when he's been given time to bat, but has hardly got the chance).

Otherwise dominated by foreign batsmen. One good thing is Faheem seems to be improving with the ball, and since Raees is injured, he's getting his chance to step up. Might be a good option for third pacer now.
 
Some good finds in the PSL

Agha Salman
Talat Hussain

Good replacements for Hafeez and Malik
 
As long as the tournament gives us some batting talent I am happy. I'm glad Talat got the chance to shine

He looks like a proper number 4 partner to Babar Azam for the future
 
if foreign batsmen weren't there, the league would be dead on arrival. speaks volumes for batting talent in pakistan nowadays. we're still able to produce quality bowlers like always but was really hoping to see at least one new batsmen shine consistently and we're yet to see that
 
Well Hussain Talat is probably the best of a not so great bunch. But even then he's not set the tournament alight has he.

its sad yet funny when we Pak fans get so darn excited when guys get 20's or 30's and label them super stars who now have a birth right to the main xi... no wonder why we dont get any kohli's or abd's... khair, now we dont even get any A+ fast bowlers anymore (as per our own standards)
 
Barring a couple of innings, the quality of our batting doesn't look promising for the future.
 
Gulraiz Sadaf played a few nice shots today, but he has mostly struggled in the PSL and looked like someone who hasn't got the power or the variety of shots.
 
Gulraiz Sadaf played a few nice shots today, but he has mostly struggled in the PSL and looked like someone who hasn't got the power or the variety of shots.

only positive about him is he is trying hard + he plays according to situation of game...
 
Rameez Raja jr has also struggled during the PSL despite several chances.
 
Rameez Raja jr has also struggled during the PSL despite several chances.

He is not a “talent”

A 30 year old with averages of below 30 in F.C and List A. He was always going to be garbage.
 
husasin talat and asif ali both look really good and have proven they can strike it at the death.

these 2 are the finds of the tournament
 
overall this is what we learned:

fahim ashraf is AMAZING. he is a brilliant striker, clutch, and he is genuinely a dangerous bowler as well. not since the days of razzaq and azhar Mahmood have we found an all-round pacer who can take wickets and smash the ball. fahim is my MVP of the tournament from the Pakistani players

fakhar zaman is also AMAZING. he is world class. nothing more needs to be said. co - MVP o


hussain talat and asif ali are better than all of our current batsman and should be in the ODI and t20 teams immediately. its refreshing to see guys who can stay out there and also clear the boundary, something a lot of our middle and lower order players simply cannot do.

mohammad nawaz is also a great find (although he was already known). his bowling is excellent and his batting is reliable and he can also find the boundaries, although not as big of a striker as the others. he is definitely an upgrade over hafeez.


this sets up our odi and t20 teams something like this


fakhar
sarfraz
babar
malik
imad
nawaz
faheem ashraf
hussain talat
shadab
hassan ali
amir


lots of big hitters, all the best players in the PSL, 3 fast bowlers, and 3 spinners. this team could contend with anybody and has 2 proper openers and no slowpokes other than babar.
 
Talat is definitely impressive. Hope Mickey and Inzi are watching.


He needs to be in the next ODI and T20 squad
 
Contrary to this thread we've seen glimpses of some real and sometime raw batting talent. Hussain Talat tops the list, then you have guys like Asif Ali, Sohail Akhtar and Agha Salman who have potential.
 
Contrary to this thread we've seen glimpses of some real and sometime raw batting talent. Hussain Talat tops the list, then you have guys like Asif Ali, Sohail Akhtar and Agha Salman who have potential.

Glimpses are not going to win you matches for your country and that is the aim of the PSL.
 
Babar Azam played some breathtaking shots today and showed that he has another gear... just keep watching.
 
Babar Azam played some breathtaking shots today and showed that he has another gear... just keep watching.

Yeah like slowing from 150 to 120 SR while approaching his 50. Btw I was breathing normally throughout his innings.
 
Been an exciting PSL but talent wise been a bit lacklustre. Foreigners really performed this PSL, and the main performers from Pakistan are guys already in the team or guys retired e.g. Afridi.

Talat's really been the only stand out from guys not already with the team/squad. Which a lot of us already expected would happen. Usman while not exactly new has had a great tournament, and might press for his place back after injury lay off.

Zafar looked really good in the one match he played too, but ideally you wanted him to play more to make a proper judgement. Maqsood was alright (mainly one good knock), nice to see him amongst the runs again.

In some ways it's good, it shows that the best players mostly are already in the team/squad. So selectors are theoretically doing their job atm.
 
Yeah like slowing from 150 to 120 SR while approaching his 50. Btw I was breathing normally throughout his innings.

Babar haters like yourself will always look for the negatives.

It was inevitable that he would slow down because wickets kept tumbling.
 
Babar haters like yourself will always look for the negatives.

It was inevitable that he would slow down because wickets kept tumbling.

He was scoring at and did single handedly score the first 27 runs at 150+ SR while both Denly and Ingram scored 6/7 ball ducks. Try again.
 
Babar haters like yourself will always look for the negatives.

It was inevitable that he would slow down because wickets kept tumbling.

Babar has the best stats from a Pakistani in this PSL apart from Talat, and the best from those currently in the international team team. Average of 39 SR 120 is hardly a bad outing.

He may have his flaws but I don't see how people complain to want him out of the team, not a T20 batsman etc. He's more than good enough. A average of 48 SR 122 is a brilliant T20 record so far. We've never had a batsman who has had that sort of record before. Even Umar Akmal a supposedly aggressive batsmen and supposedly was our best T20 batsman, only scored at a SR of 0.4 more, with a more than 20 runs less average. Even compare to Malik and Sarfraz their overall records pale in comparison.

We should just back him in T20s, it's ridiculous people are making out like he's somehow the problem.
 
When guys with great domestic records such are Saad Ali are made to warm the bench then what kind of a talent are you going to unearth. Let's not forget the recent domestic cup performers who haven't been selected either like Mukhtar Ahmed and Abid Ali.
 
He was scoring at and did single handedly score the first 27 runs at 150+ SR while both Denly and Ingram scored 6/7 ball ducks. Try again.

More wickets had fallen and then the powerplay had ended too.
 
Make flat pitches so tullaybaaz can hit across the line, even our Umar Akmals and Ahmed Shehzads will turn into Bradman.
 
Faheem Ashraf has been the player of the tournament for me, hes made a name for himself as six hitter and his bowling has been absolute class.

Muhammed Nawaz is the best spinner in Pakistan and has totally out performed Yasir and Imad in this PSL


Talat the only newcomer batsman that has made an impression.
Shaheen Shah best newcomer fast bowler

Looking at stats so far from the tournament:
Babar and Fakhar are easily your best LOI batsman
Hafeez and Malik are still performing better then any other middle order from Pak
Kamran Akmal is probably your second best opener after Fakhar stats wise.
 
Faheem Ashraf has been the player of the tournament for me, hes made a name for himself as six hitter and his bowling has been absolute class.

Muhammed Nawaz is the best spinner in Pakistan and has totally out performed Yasir and Imad in this PSL


Talat the only newcomer batsman that has made an impression.
Shaheen Shah best newcomer fast bowler

Looking at stats so far from the tournament:
Babar and Fakhar are easily your best LOI batsman
Hafeez and Malik are still performing better then any other middle order from Pak
Kamran Akmal is probably your second best opener after Fakhar stats wise.
How has Nawaz outperformed Imad and Yasir? Let alone Shadab and Zafar?!?

If we look at economies then,
Nawaz: 5.5
Imad: 6.3
Zafar: 6.4
Shadab: 6.7
Yasir: 6.9

Yes, Yasir's economy is highest, but his average is lowest at 26. Credit to him he has been good in the PSL.

Imad is bowling in the powerplay so that economy is fantastic. Although in two matches he gave away too many to Watson and K.Akmal or Ronchi can't remember. But he bowled in middle overs last match and single-handedly brought KK back in to win it.

Zafar is the best spinner in Pakistan. Should get more opportunities.

Shadab has bowled okay, but he is injured so won't look into it much.

On what basis is Nawaz the best in Pakistan? Lol.

Am not being biased here. Nawaz is one of my fav players and not far behind Shadab as best fielder. He has potential but atm is bang average. Only 23 so time is on his side.
 
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