Unlike PSL, IPL isn't producing players for the national team - Why?

[Cricketfan no 1]

Lol. No one other than Hasan. Stop hyping this newbie Afridi. We have Mavi and Nagarkoti to try. Fakhar? Why? We have enough top order hitters.

because youre not being neutral and watching him as A Pakistani from Indian eye
for a neutral person Shaheen has a great future ahead and Fakhar can easily manage in any T2o side

 

[Send1983]

Yeah we have seen how great these players are

That’s why we are no 1 in two formats where your team is no where in top 6.

 

[rhony]

Last time India visited NZ they also lost 4-0 so please spare us the lecture.

What last time? You mean years ago before the last world cup? IIRC, there was even a tied game in that 5 match series. The recent history is what I'm talking about from a cricketing perspective and the progression of the teams. And yes Pak won CT final and yes 74 all out happened too.

 

[Send1983]

because youre not being neutral and watching him as A Pakistani from Indian eye
for a neutral person Shaheen has a great future ahead and Fakhar can easily manage in any T2o side

Sorry. first ask that Afridi newbie to perform against decent teams. Fakhar can’t get into Indian team. Sorry again. Top 4 is filled with great T20 players. Thi# Fakhar has not done anything in T20I.

 

[MoJoJoJo]

Sorry. first ask that Afridi newbie to perform against decent teams. Fakhar can’t get into Indian team. Sorry again. Top 4 is filled with great T20 players. Thi# Fakhar has not done anything in T20I.

and we will still beat india 8 out of 10 times in t20s.. fullstop.

 

[Send1983]

and we will still beat india 8 out of 10 times in t20s.. fullstop.

Lol. Team that won only one out of 8 or 9 games. Keep dreaming.

 

[cricketjoshila]

None of your IPL products compare to Hasan Ali, Shadab Khan, Fakhar Zaman etc etc etc etc.

Bumrah Chahal Kuldeep Jadeja Ashwin are lesser than some PSL guys? LOL.

 

[emm-tee]

Bumrah Chahal Kuldeep Jadeja Ashwin are lesser than some PSL guys? LOL.

10 years of IPL has yielded 5 players and that too is debatable but happy for you.

We got a bowler who was rated NUMERO UNO in the WORLD and discovered in the second edition. LOL.

 

[Send1983]

10 years of IPL has yielded 5 players and that too is debatable but happy for you.

We got a bowler who was rated NUMERO UNO in the WORLD and discovered in the second edition. LOL.

Did you check the current ranking ? numero uno is someone discovered by IPL. Bumrah.

 

[Send1983]

10 years of IPL has yielded 5 players and that too is debatable but happy for you.

We got a bowler who was rated NUMERO UNO in the WORLD and discovered in the second edition. LOL.

Because your domestic cricket standard is poor. Nothing to be proud of that you find more players through PSL.

 

[emm-tee]

Did you check the current ranking ? numero uno is someone discovered by IPL. Bumrah.

You can have your Mr. No Ball. Hassan can walk in to any team in the world. And that is a product of a league that's in its infancy. No where near IPL.

 

[emm-tee]

Because your domestic cricket standard is poor. Nothing to be proud of that you find more players through PSL.

Is this thread comparing domestics? Don't think so but if you would like, do start a separate thread. Thought we were comparing the leagues and the players produced by them?

Anyways, you guys are able to name about the same number of players that we have somewhat identified as well. Not proven so I won't go overboard like some other posters until proven.

But Hassan Shadab and Fakhar have more than made a name for themselves and have won us a trophy already (final against you). Can't say the same about your NUMERO UNO.

 

[WengerOut]

You can have your Mr. No Ball. Hassan can walk in to any team in the world. And that is a product of a league that's in its infancy. No where near IPL.

Dude. Fast tracking is not a norm in India. Very rare. But it is normal in Pakistan. In India , you have to go through processes ( perform in domestic ) . How is that very difficult to comprehend.??

 

[emm-tee]

Dude. Fast tracking is not a norm in India. Very rare. But it is normal in Pakistan. In India , you have to go through processes ( perform in domestic ) . How is that very difficult to comprehend.??

Sometimes that does wonders though?
SRT was fast tracked, right? Arguably one of the best the game has ever seen. #justsaying

 

[Send1983]

Is this thread comparing domestics? Don't think so but if you would like, do start a separate thread. Thought we were comparing the leagues and the players produced by them?

Anyways, you guys are able to name about the same number of players that we have somewhat identified as well. Not proven so I won't go overboard like some other posters until proven.

But Hassan Shadab and Fakhar have more than made a name for themselves and have won us a trophy already (final against you). Can't say the same about your NUMERO UNO.

After you got exposed, now you are shifting the goal post from numero uno in ranking to CT winner. . Btw our numero uno made our team number 1 team in test and ODI whereas your team was thrashed 5-0 and ranked along with minnows. Time to shift the goal post...

 

[WengerOut]

Sometimes that does wonders though?
SRT was fast tracked, right? Arguably one of the best the game has ever seen. #justsaying

Like I said. It happens rarely. SRT case was before the professional setup of BCCI. Dearth of fast bowling AR helped Pandyas case. Thats about it. Rest of them have to grind out in the domestics and make a name.

 

[Send1983]

Sometimes that does wonders though?
SRT was fast tracked, right? Arguably one of the best the game has ever seen. #justsaying

Because he had natural talent. Not every one is child prodigy.

 

[Send1983]

You can have your Mr. No Ball. Hassan can walk in to any team in the world. And that is a product of a league that's in its infancy. No where near IPL.

Bumrah can too walk in to any team. Lol. Not sure what you are talking about.

 

[emm-tee]

After you got exposed, now you are shifting the goal post from numero uno in ranking to CT winner. . Btw our numero uno made our team number 1 team in test and ODI whereas your team was thrashed 5-0 and ranked along with minnows. Time to shift the goal post...

Not shifting anything.
Hassan was at the top before your Bhumrah and that took a grand total of 14 months, if I'm not mistaken?

Bumrah debuted almost a year before him and we all know how much more cricket your team plays and hence gets the guys more exposure and time to prove themselves.

 

[Send1983]

Not shifting anything.
Hassan was at the top before your Bhumrah and that took a grand total of 14 months, if I'm not mistaken?

Bumrah debuted almost a year before him and we all know how much more cricket your team plays and hence gets the guys more exposure and time to prove themselves.

Overall Bumrah is a better bowler because he is not only good in ODI, he is good in test as well. First let your hero perform in test. Even in ODI he has been getting exposed.

 

[emm-tee]

Bumrah can too walk in to any team. Lol. Not sure what you are talking about.

Never said he couldn't. Talking about our three year old league already producing top in the world kind of talent. Which your league has not been able to quite do. Or it may but took a decade?

Why is it so hard for some posters to put aside their biased opinions and appreciate talent or recognize something worth recognition? I got no issue saying your league has made every other country trying to copy the model to get anywhere close to it.

 

[emm-tee]

Overall Bumrah is a better bowler because he is not only good in ODI, he is good in test as well. First let your hero perform in test. Even in ODI he has been getting exposed.

Haha so you will completely ignore the fact that your world beater debuted a year ago now that I pointed it out to you?

Done talking with u on it as u fail to hold a genuine discussion.

 

[WengerOut]

Never said he couldn't. Talking about our three year old league already producing top in the world kind of talent. Which your league has not been able to quite do. Or it may but took a decade?

Why is it so hard for some posters to put aside their biased opinions and appreciate talent or recognize something worth recognition? I got no issue saying your league has made every other country trying to copy the model to get anywhere close to it.

Again reiterating the point that IPL is not a finishing school for Indian team . PSL is acting like that for Pakistan. There is no point in saying PSL produced more cricketers for Pak than IPL for India.

 

[Oligochaetes]

lets find out... This is a list of Indian players who made their ODI debut since IPL started in 2007. How many of them came in due to the IPL?

167 Piyush Chawla

168 Rohit Sharma

169 Ishant Sharma

170 Praveen Kumar

171 Manoj Tiwary

172 Yusuf Pathan

173 Manpreet Gony

174 Pragyan Ojha

175 Virat Kohli

176 Subramaniam Badrinath

177 Ravindra Jadeja

178 Abhishek Nayar

179 Sudeep Tyagi

180 Abhimanyu Mithun

181 Murali Vijay

182 Ashok Dinda

183 Vinay Kumar

184 Umesh Yadav

185 Ravichandran Ashwin

186 Naman Ojha

187 Pankaj Singh

188 Shikhar Dhawan

189 Saurabh Tiwary

190 Wriddhiman Saha

191 Ajinkya Rahane

192 Varun Aaron

193 Rahul Sharma

194 Bhuvneshwar Kumar

195 Mohammed Shami

196 Ambati Rayudu

197 Jaydev Unadkat

198 Cheteshwar Pujara

199 Mohit Sharma

200 Stuart Binny

201 Parvez Rasool

202 Axar Patel

203 Dhawal Kulkarni

204 Karn Sharma

205 Kedar Jadhav

206 Manish Pandey

207 Barinder Sran

208 Rishi Dhawan

209 Gurkeerat Singh

210 Jasprit Bumrah

211 Yuzvendra Chahal

212 Karun Nair

213 KL Rahul

214 Faiz Fazal

215 Hardik Pandya

216 Jayant Yadav

217 Kuldeep Yadav

218 Shardul Thakur

219 Shreyas Iyer

220 Washington Sundar

 

[Send1983]

Again reiterating the point that IPL is not a finishing school for Indian team . PSL is acting like that for Pakistan. There is no point in saying PSL produced more cricketers for Pak than IPL for India.

He does not seem to get. He is still gloating and thinks PSL is better than IPL.

 

[WengerOut]

lets find out... This is a list of Indian players who made their ODI debut since IPL started in 2007. How many of them came in due to the IPL?

167 Piyush Chawla

168 Rohit Sharma

169 Ishant Sharma

170 Praveen Kumar

171 Manoj Tiwary

172 Yusuf Pathan

173 Manpreet Gony

174 Pragyan Ojha

175 Virat Kohli

176 Subramaniam Badrinath

177 Ravindra Jadeja

178 Abhishek Nayar

179 Sudeep Tyagi

180 Abhimanyu Mithun

181 Murali Vijay

182 Ashok Dinda

183 Vinay Kumar

184 Umesh Yadav

185 Ravichandran Ashwin

186 Naman Ojha

187 Pankaj Singh

188 Shikhar Dhawan

189 Saurabh Tiwary

190 Wriddhiman Saha

191 Ajinkya Rahane

192 Varun Aaron

193 Rahul Sharma

194 Bhuvneshwar Kumar

195 Mohammed Shami

196 Ambati Rayudu

197 Jaydev Unadkat

198 Cheteshwar Pujara

199 Mohit Sharma

200 Stuart Binny

201 Parvez Rasool

202 Axar Patel

203 Dhawal Kulkarni

204 Karn Sharma

205 Kedar Jadhav

206 Manish Pandey

207 Barinder Sran

208 Rishi Dhawan

209 Gurkeerat Singh

210 Jasprit Bumrah

211 Yuzvendra Chahal

212 Karun Nair

213 KL Rahul

214 Faiz Fazal

215 Hardik Pandya

216 Jayant Yadav

217 Kuldeep Yadav

218 Shardul Thakur

219 Shreyas Iyer

220 Washington Sundar

Dont know the point. Lets say if IPL started in 2016 like PSL, can't we say Pandya , Chahal , Bumrah , Kuldeep , Sundar , Iyer were IPL findings !!!

 

[Send1983]

Haha so you will completely ignore the fact that your world beater debuted a year ago now that I pointed it out to you?

Done talking with u on it as u fail to hold a genuine discussion.

Lol. I was supposed to say. Done talking with you on it. PSL is better than IPL if that can help you sleep better.

 

[Oligochaetes]

The following players made their debut after IPL was introduced. How many got their chance due to IPL?

20 Praveen Kumar
21 Ishant Sharma
22 Ravindra Jadeja
23 Pragyan Ojha
24 Ashok Dinda
25 Ashish Nehra
26 Sudeep Tyagi
27 Murali Vijay
28 Piyush Chawla
29 Vinay Kumar
30 Ravichandran Ashwin
31 Virat Kohli
32 Naman Ojha
33 Amit Mishra
34 Munaf Patel
35 Subramaniam Badrinath
36 Shikhar Dhawan
37 Parthiv Patel
38 Rahul Dravid
39 Ajinkya Rahane
40 Manoj Tiwary
41 Rahul Sharma
42 Umesh Yadav
43 Lakshmipathy Balaji
44 Parvinder Awana
45 Bhuvneshwar Kumar
46 Mohammed Shami
47 Mohit Sharma
48 Ambati Rayudu
49 Karn Sharma
50 Stuart Binny
51 Kedar Jadhav
52 Manish Pandey
53 Axar Patel
54 Sandeep Sharma
55 Sanju Samson
56 Sreenath Aravind
57 Jasprit Bumrah
58 Hardik Pandya
59 Pawan Negi
60 Yuzvendra Chahal
61 Rishi Dhawan
62 Mandeep Singh
63 K. L. Rahul
64 Jaydev Unadkat
65 Dhawal Kulkarni
66 Barinder Sran
67 Parvez Rasool
68 Rishabh Pant
69 Kuldeep Yadav
70 Shreyas Iyer
71 Mohammed Siraj
72 Washington Sundar
73 Shardul Thakur
74 Vijay Shankar

 

[emm-tee]

He does not seem to get. He is still gloating and thinks PSL is better than IPL.

Do you have issues comprehending simple English? I suggest you re-read what I wrote as you clearly seem to be missing the point I was trying to make. Never said PSL is better than your league.

It did help uncover some great talented players which your league has not able to quite to as much given its been over 10 years since its inception.

No gloating. Just an opinion.

 

[Oligochaetes]

Dont know the point. Lets say if IPL started in 2016 like PSL, can't we say Pandya , Chahal , Bumrah , Kuldeep , Sundar , Iyer were IPL findings !!!

My point is IPL has gotten many players into the Indian ODI and T20 squad... People just have short memories, thats all.

 

[WengerOut]

My point is IPL has gotten many players into the Indian ODI and T20 squad... People just have short memories, thats all.

Raina got back into Indian team through IPL 2008. Dhawan through IPL 2011. Jadeja 2008 , Bhuvi in the T20 setup through IPL .

 

[giri26]

Raina got back into Indian team through IPL 2008. Dhawan through IPL 2011. Jadeja 2008 , Bhuvi in the T20 setup through IPL .

The reason being that IPL is not the only criteria for team selection in India. IPL only gives platform for the players to display their talent on a bigger scale. If IPL was the only standard, India would have picked Paul Valthaty after the phenomenal season he had for Kings X1. I remember Dhoni making a statement after Yusuf Pathan's repeated failures at the international level that IPL should not be the only criteria for Indian team selection. The BCCI take FC cricket more seriously and look for players who perform well in our domestic tournaments as well. In the meanwhile if the same players happen to have a good IPL season, it will fast track them into the Indian team. IPL alone will never be the criteria for team selection in India.

 

[WengerOut]

The reason being that IPL is not the only criteria for team selection in India. IPL only gives platform for the players to display their talent on a bigger scale. If IPL was the only standard, India would have Paul Valthaty playing for India in T20 format. I remember Dhoni making a statement after Yusuf Pathan's repeated failures at the international level that IPL should not be the only criteria for Indian team selection. The BCCI take FC cricket more seriously and look for players who perform well in our domestic tournaments as well. In the meanwhile if the same players happen to have a good IPL season, it will fast track them into the Indian team. IPL alone will never be the criteria for team selection in India.

I have been consistently telling the blokes over here this. But they are still adamant on PSL producing more cricketers for Pak than IPL for India.

 

[Oligochaetes]

Raina got back into Indian team through IPL 2008. Dhawan through IPL 2011. Jadeja 2008 , Vhuvi

Entire Indian T20 and ODI side consists of people who have done great in the IPL. A lot of players come back into the team based on great IPL performances.

But India also have other avenues to discover talent and dont heavily rely on PSL like Pakistan. Case in point, Indian U19 team.!

Pakistani selectors, on the other hand, either dont bother watching domestics or select players based on friendship and social connections. I am not sure. But with PSL showcasing true talent to the public, these selectors have no choice but to select true talent. That is the reason players are being selected after PSL performances.

This is my opinion, but is subject to change, based on market fluctuations. Invest at your own risk

 

[Oligochaetes]

I have been consistently telling the blokes over here this. But they are still adamant on PSL producing more cricketers for Pak than IPL for India.

Once the Pakistani XI is set, no matter what talent PSL produces, thos talented player will find it harder and harder to get into the side and then the same people will say that PSL is not producing players. Just wait and watch.

 

[cricketjoshila]

10 years of IPL has yielded 5 players and that too is debatable but happy for you.

We got a bowler who was rated NUMERO UNO in the WORLD and discovered in the second edition. LOL.

We have two bowlers who went to be rated no.1 in test matches. One of them has 300 test wickets.

Bumrah is rated no.1 ODI bowler in the world currently.

Chahal and Kuldeep help India won LOI series in SA.

Mohammad Shami is arguably the best test bowler in the SC.

Ashwin was discovered in the first edition of IPL.

 

[jnaveen1980]

IPL is a T20 tournament. So picking players from it for other formats is a double edged sword. Not everyone will cross the barrier.

 

[par]

It is appalling to see people still think that these leagues 'produce' cricketers for the national team.

 

[par]

It is appalling to see people still think that these leagues 'produce' cricketers for the national team.

On second thoughts, when international cricketers can come from street cricket, you can't fault that thinking.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

We have two bowlers who went to be rated no.1 in test matches. One of them has 300 test wickets.

Bumrah is rated no.1 ODI bowler in the world currently.

Chahal and Kuldeep help India won LOI series in SA.

Mohammad Shami is arguably the best test bowler in the SC.

Ashwin was discovered in the first edition of IPL.

Yes a LO series against SA C side.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Yes a LO series against SA C side.

Well! When you can chest thump winning a T20 series against a Windies Z side.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Chahal and Pandya. Wow. IPL has given us these stars.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Chahal and Pandya. Wow. IPL has given us these stars.

Chahal averages 18 with a best of 6/25 against England. Please tell us what's wrong with him.

 

[BreadPakoda]

The following players made their debut after IPL was introduced. How many got their chance due to IPL?

Simple - the ones who failed.

And also the ones who succeeded are IPL products on their off days/sessions. On other days, they are products of the domestic FC system.

 

[BreadPakoda]

So are KL Rahul and Kuli IPL products?
[MENTION=145950]Kohli, The King of Chase[/MENTION]

 

[BreadPakoda]

Selectors getting bashed for picking players basis PSL performance. Wrong strategy?

 

[Hawkeye]

That's what you get when you get so overexcited over a T20 league that you forget what real quality means.

Looks like PSL is going to Pak cricket what Pak folks used to claim IPL did to IND cricket.

 

[rudra]

Performance should be judged by domestics ... Nerves and x factor from IPL

 

[srh]

Rahul?

 

[Dingolfy]

That's what you get when you get so overexcited over a T20 league that you forget what real quality means.

Looks like PSL is going to Pak cricket what Pak folks used to claim IPL did to IND cricket.

t20 and ODI are completely different formats.Even if Pak had a league better IPL, they still wont be producing good ODI and Test players.You need to have good domestic structure for that.

 

[Napa]

There is a significant confusion in the OP.

The benefit of IPL is not producing players.

The benefit of IPL is that it has massively increased the level of professionalism. Players now know they are judged on performance and are financially secure if they continue performing.

The purpose of IPL is to make already discovered players into professionals.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Raina actually rediscovered himself in the IPL.

 

[JaDed]

Bumrah?

 

[Rahul1]

Yes a LO series against SA C side.

What C side? Amla played all 6 matches. Duminy, Miller, Morkel and Rabada missed just one match each. ABD played 3 matches.

 

[Titan24]

All the players in the current Indian side are either developed by IPL or are a find of IPL. Many posters forget the development aspect which the league offers, Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan are all developed through IPL. By development I mean the confidence a young guy gets when the play alongside the international stars and experienced players. They are all developed through early seasons of IPL.

Also IPL has found talent in the form of Ashwin, Jadeja, Chahar, Kuldeep, Bumrah etc. Indian team has been a reasonably stable team that is why we are not seeing such inflow through IPL, bcz their current players are already performing.

Last season there was a spinner in IPL if I remember correctly Mankhande, I didnt watch a lot of matches but he surely took good amount of wickets. If he was in PSL he would have been selected for the national side straight away bcz our current side is still under construction and we need some players.

PSL has been great in unearthing talent but its gonna take some seasons for player development I guess. Was hoping players like Umar, Shehzad etc got developed but it didn't happen.

 

[JattMaula]

All the players in the current Indian side are either developed by IPL or are a find of IPL. Many posters forget the development aspect which the league offers, Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan are all developed through IPL. By development I mean the confidence a young guy gets when the play alongside the international stars and experienced players. They are all developed through early seasons of IPL.

Also IPL has found talent in the form of Ashwin, Jadeja, Chahar, Kuldeep, Bumrah etc. Indian team has been a reasonably stable team that is why we are not seeing such inflow through IPL, bcz their current players are already performing.

Last season there was a spinner in IPL if I remember correctly Mankhande, I didnt watch a lot of matches but he surely took good amount of wickets. If he was in PSL he would have been selected for the national side straight away bcz our current side is still under construction and we need some players.

Mayank Markande.

He is currently playing for Punjab in Vijay Hazare Trophy. Doing good too.

 

[BreadPakoda]

So what has PSL done that IPL hasn’t?

 

[mystical man]

What C side? Amla played all 6 matches. Duminy, Miller, Morkel and Rabada missed just one match each. ABD played 3 matches.

Yes but none of them are as potent and lethal as Patel bhai from New-Zealand

 

[TM Riddle]

Time for a bump.

 

[Varun]

The IPL will be happy to know that the Indian team is producing players for the league - like a match made in heaven.

They have have their Lokesh Rahul back for starters.

 

[Rana]

PSL is the only thing giving exposure to talented Pakistani players. Yes talented Pakistani players simply means guys who are good enough to replace the current side. Its not producing wonders like Babar Azam or Virat Kohli

 

[Sachin136]

The IPL will be happy to know that the Indian team is producing players for the league - like a match made in heaven.

They have have their Lokesh Rahul back for starters.

Without the "IPL supaarrstarrr" Rahul, Australia would have another series win in India.

 

[latecut]

Indian test team is mostly selected from Indian first class tournaments, and not from IPL. If one looks at tthe playing XI of India against Australia in the fourth and final test- it contains five players with less than ten tests each- namely Mayank Agrawal, Hanuma Vihari, Rishabh Pant, Bumrah and Kuldeep Yadav- who have made their test debut only recently and each of them have played less than ten tests each. All of them have made it into the test team because of their performance in Indian first class team. So nearly half of the Indian playing XI consists of inexperienced newcomers and still the team is doing exceedingly well, that too in SENA countries.

India does not depend on IPL for finding its national players.

 

[Varun]

Without the "IPL supaarrstarrr" Rahul, Australia would have another series win in India.

The series in question was before Rahul became 'mainstream' in the IPL. No coincidence that once he got hooked to the latter, he can't put bat on ball in either tests or ODIs.

 

[JattMaula]

Indian test team is mostly selected from Indian first class tournaments, and not from IPL. If one looks at tthe playing XI of India against Australia in the fourth and final test- it contains five players with less than ten tests each- namely Mayank Agrawal, Hanuma Vihari, Rishabh Pant, Bumrah and Kuldeep Yadav- who have made their test debut only recently and each of them have played less than ten tests each. All of them have made it into the test team because of their performance in Indian first class team. So nearly half of the Indian playing XI consists of inexperienced newcomers and still the team is doing exceedingly well, that too in SENA countries.

India does not depend on IPL for finding its national players.

Shaw will make 6 rookies in playing 11.

 

[JattMaula]

Mayank Markande.

He is currently playing for Punjab in Vijay Hazare Trophy. Doing good too.

Took 5 fer today for India A against England lions.

And is selected for T20 against Australia in place of rested Kuldeep.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Talking about knee-jerks - another beautiful thread by the OP.

Genuinely curious to know how PSL is helping Pakistan.