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1. Three spinners in Barbados: Siraj should have played as third pacer on this wicket. If he could be dropped after bowling well in US leg so could Kuldip looking at conditions.
Indian spinners didn't bowl badly, no spinner can do any thing a batter hits you on back foot for six over covers.
2. Jadeja could have been promoted instead of Pant at three. Jadeja was not utilizes properly by India at all in whole tournament.
3.Hardik bowled very poor final over both the wicket balls were in the slot and we were lucky.
I am really happy that we won but this time the underlying feeling is more relief than joy. Your thoughts???
 
This world cup is full of game changing full tosses lol That one was. Iftikar one. Then Rabada bowled a lot of full tosses against England and got away. THey would have topped the group. INdia would have faced SA in the semi final. India would have faced England in semi final if they had beaten SA.
 
Dhakar Pola said:
Biggest mistake was giving axar the ball after klassen hit Kuldeep. If bumrah bowled instead of axar that over I don't think SA would have gotten close
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Yea.. i was shocked. India made a great mistake of using spinners. Shivam dube can bowl medium pace. Even he wouldn't have gone for that many runs.
 
Kohli should have batted at a better strike rate. He is lucky that Axar played the knock that he did and India enjoyed having a once in a generation world class Bhumra to help bail India out, the margin of defeat was 7 runs and if India had lost he would have been crucified
 
Savak said:
Kohli should have batted at a better strike rate. He is lucky that Axar played the knock that he did and India enjoyed having a once in a generation world class Bhumra to help bail India out, the margin of defeat was 7 runs and if India had lost he would have been crucified
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I am staying away from that topic as India won and he has retired. It is moot. But you are right. I will leave it at that.
 
1. Hardik should had bowled the Axar over considering how our spinners were getting smacked
2. Kohli and Jadu ideally shouldn’t had played today
 
ftbno1 said:
1. Three spinners in Barbados: Siraj should have played as third pacer on this wicket. If he could be dropped after bowling well in US leg so could Kuldip looking at conditions.
Indian spinners didn't bowl badly, no spinner can do any thing a batter hits you on back foot for six over covers.
2. Jadeja could have been promoted instead of Pant at three. Jadeja was not utilizes properly by India at all in whole tournament.
3.Hardik bowled very poor final over both the wicket balls were in the slot and we were lucky.
I am really happy that we won but this time the underlying feeling is more relief than joy. Your thoughts???
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Everything looks so obvious in the hindsight. I think Rohit captained well for the most part. Not all decisions are going to be spot on when you are making so many decisions, but he got more right than wrong and the result shows.
 
JaDed said:
1. Hardik should had bowled the Axar over considering how our spinners were getting smacked
2. Kohli and Jadu ideally shouldn’t had played today
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Dube does not have any business in the team. Only stupidity made him play
 
Savak said:
Kohli should have batted at a better strike rate. He is lucky that Axar played the knock that he did and India enjoyed having a once in a generation world class Bhumra to help bail India out, the margin of defeat was 7 runs and if India had lost he would have been crucified
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Actually that was tricky. We lost three wickets. If Virat had gone out we would be struggling reaching 150. Anyhow 177 was never a safe total as ball was coming on battery nicely.
 
Playing Kohli, Jadeja and Dube was 3 big mistake India persisted with throughout the tournament.

Call it luck or how terrible other teams were that they failed to capitalize on it.
 
cricketcricket79 said:
Everything looks so obvious in the hindsight. I think Rohit captained well for the most part. Not all decisions are going to be spot on when you are making so many decisions, but he got more right than wrong and the result shows.
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My only qualm is that these mistakes made the match close. I was hoping for blowout victory. Siraj, Yashasvi, Chahal and Sanju were sitting on bench.All four would walk into South Africa 's eleven.
 
They had 3 spinners and 3 pacers (Bumrah, Arshdeep, and Hardik). I think it was the right combination.
 
Not Allowing even 1 game for Jaiswal and Rinku was criminal.
Apart from that, doesn't matter .. WE WON!!!
If mistakes like these can yield us trophies, I am all for them. We had suffered enough pain in the last 11 years.
 
ftbno1 said:
My only qualm is that these mistakes made the match close. I was hoping for blowout victory. Siraj, Yashasvi, Chahal and Sanju were sitting on bench.All four would walk into South Africa 's eleven.
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A single freak wicket of Klassen/Miller early would have been a blow out victory. Had Rohit remained on crease like against Australia, we might have been looking at 250 kinda score. All ifs and buts bhai.
 
Major said:
in hindsight its easy to point out mistakes.

Thing is they won, thats what matters in the end. Plus, it was not a fluke victory like Pakistans CT 2017. India was undefeated
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Pakistans win in CT 2017 was not a fluke. They were dominant in the knockout and finals.
 
Qudrat ka nizam ensured India finally got one otherwise we made quite a few goof ups to let that trophy go.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Dube does not have any business in the team. Only stupidity made him play
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ftbno1 said:
1. Three spinners in Barbados: Siraj should have played as third pacer on this wicket. If he could be dropped after bowling well in US leg so could Kuldip looking at conditions.
Indian spinners didn't bowl badly, no spinner can do any thing a batter hits you on back foot for six over covers.
2. Jadeja could have been promoted instead of Pant at three. Jadeja was not utilizes properly by India at all in whole tournament.
3.Hardik bowled very poor final over both the wicket balls were in the slot and we were lucky.
I am really happy that we won but this time the underlying feeling is more relief than joy. Your thoughts???
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I feel Indian Team Coach, Captain, Management are useless and they don't have game awareness and understanding of the situation than many of the key board warriors like us/ specially me. We are specialists to understand the situation very well, sitting in living room while watching the cricket. We can judge the pitch, weather, psychology of the players, strengths and weaknesses of opponent team, our team very well, sitting far away from the venue, watching cricket on TV sets. Most of us feel that BCCI should have thrown the present team management out from the team strategy responsibility and should include people like us. We always feel that we are better judges than the team management and currently there is lot of partiality in selecting the team, identifying playing 11 etc. We advise the players how to play, how the field should set, who should bowl, what should be bowled etc. with our vast experience in watching cricket live on TV. In fact board could have selected one of us as Chief of the team to decide the team and strategy etc. We can give very valuable inputs than the present team management. BCCI could have browsed through PP or similar portals and find out the smart person and make them the head of team management from next time onwards.
 
Adiram said:
I feel Indian Team Coach, Captain, Management are useless and they don't have game awareness and understanding of the situation than many of the key board warriors like us/ specially me.
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U can say whatever you want but preferring dube for finisher role on basis of half ipl season in place of rinku who is playing for last 2 years is beyond stupidity. Jaiswal can do much more than dube as a finisher.They were hiding dube behind jadeja in eng match on a spin pitch even though he is a spin basher as per them
 
Feeding Klassen spinners when he was hitting every second ball for a six. Could have easily brought back Hardik, but Rohit let the game slip away.
 
Major said:
in hindsight its easy to point out mistakes.

Thing is they won, thats what matters in the end. Plus, it was not a fluke victory like Pakistans CT 2017. India was undefeated
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India was also undefeated during the 2023 ODI WC, until Australia rained on their parade on the final.

So they are doing something right.

With the retirement of Kohli & Rohit Sharma, they will struggle to maintain this high standard.
 
Biggest mistake throughout the tournament was asking Kohli to open and play slog cricket.
Kohli, priced in finals his game is hitting proper cricketing shots down the ground. Once he settles he can accelerate.

Asking him to blindly slog from ball 1 could have resulted in a first round exit.

We should have let Jaiswal and Rohit open. If we lost an early wicket Kohli could have anchored the innings like he did in final. Both Rohit and Jaiswal could have played attacking game from on set.

There was no need to play Dube throughout the tournament.

In finals the pitch was mis read. Just because you won semi final you don’t have to play the same team, you analyse the pitch and ground in final and accordingly select team.
There was no need for 3 spinners. Jadeja could have been dropped for a pacer and it would have been a much easier game.

We won the World Cup but there’s still a lot to improve on, especially the mindset of management not to be stubborn and play team/players as per conditions/form/capabilities.
 
Adiram said:
I feel Indian Team Coach, Captain, Management are useless and they don't have game awareness and understanding of the situation than many of the key board warriors like us/ specially me. We are specialists to understand the situation very well, sitting in living room while watching the cricket. We can judge the pitch, weather, psychology of the players, strengths and weaknesses of opponent team, our team very well, sitting far away from the venue, watching cricket on TV sets. Most of us feel that BCCI should have thrown the present team management out from the team strategy responsibility and should include people like us. We always feel that we are better judges than the team management and currently there is lot of partiality in selecting the team, identifying playing 11 etc. We advise the players how to play, how the field should set, who should bowl, what should be bowled etc. with our vast experience in watching cricket live on TV. In fact board could have selected one of us as Chief of the team to decide the team and strategy etc. We can give very valuable inputs than the present team management. BCCI could have browsed through PP or similar portals and find out the smart person and make them the head of team management from next time onwards.
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In any sport, a lot of fans/analysts actually have better takes than team management.
There’s a reason for it, a lot of the time, team management are emotionally invested, they don’t see the bigger picture.

Whereas fans/analysts look from the outside and can find faults which are glaring which sometimes you miss while being inside.

It’s not just cricket, it’s same in every sport.

Obviously not all opinions/takes are right, most of them are wrong, but sometimes people do have better takes than people inside the system.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Not Allowing even 1 game for Jaiswal and Rinku was criminal.
Apart from that, doesn't matter .. WE WON!!!
If mistakes like these can yield us trophies, I am all for them. We had suffered enough pain in the last 11 years.
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I think, Rinku wasn’t even in the squad. He was a travelling reserve.

So can’t give him game.
Playin Dube over Jaiswal was criminal.
 
kach said:
Pakistans win in CT 2017 was not a fluke. They were dominant in the knockout and finals.
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it was the biggest fluke ever. THey were not dominant. It was a joke team that was racing with chokers and made it to the finish line just by limping
 
big_gamer007 said:
In any sport, a lot of fans/analysts actually have better takes than team management.
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Remember kl and team management were saying it outside noise for remarks on his sr issues and form .At the endctey removed him from t20s and asking everyone to go for Max impact
 
Major said:
it was the biggest fluke ever. THey were not dominant. It was a joke team that was racing with chokers and made it to the finish line just by limping
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Be honest, if the captain was misbah and not sarfraz, would you be claiming this?
 
There are always if and buts…. Final thing is India won ICC T20 World Cup 2024 World Cup
 
big_gamer007 said:
Biggest mistake throughout the tournament was asking Kohli to open and play slog cricket.
Kohli, priced in finals his game is hitting proper cricketing shots down the ground. Once he settles he can accelerate.

Asking him to blindly slog from ball 1 could have resulted in a first round exit.

We should have let Jaiswal and Rohit open. If we lost an early wicket Kohli could have anchored the innings like he did in final. Both Rohit and Jaiswal could have played attacking game from on set.

There was no need to play Dube throughout the tournament.

In finals the pitch was mis read. Just because you won semi final you don’t have to play the same team, you analyse the pitch and ground in final and accordingly select team.
There was no need for 3 spinners. Jadeja could have been dropped for a pacer and it would have been a much easier game.

We won the World Cup but there’s still a lot to improve on, especially the mindset of management not to be stubborn and play team/players as per conditions/form/capabilities.
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Completely agree with this. The rigidity of the Indian think tank truly rankles.
 
I get a feeling that these kinds of threads are just rubbing it in.
 
Major said:
it was the biggest fluke ever. THey were not dominant. It was a joke team that was racing with chokers and made it to the finish line just by limping
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You cant fluke a tournament, sorry.

A match, yes.

An entire tournament?

No such delusion exists.
 
Major said:
the current one till the semis
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Beat NZ and Australia; had a good run.

But they were never going to win the tournament.

Even before the South Africa match, I called it and said it would be a one sided semi final.

Afghanistan had no chance in hell of fluking a World Cup.
 
The last 3 ICC trophies have come for India when they haven't played against NZ. Kiwis have a voodoo touch on India
2011, 2013 and now 2024 India escaped facing Kiwis hence they won.
 
In the end, results matter. Every team makes some mistakes along the way. The bigger picture is to win, and that's all that matters. I don't think they made any mistakes. India could have played Siraj, but dropping Kuldeep was a big risk. Jadeja was there for batting at No. 8 if required.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Beat NZ and Australia; had a good run.

But they were never going to win the tournament.

Even before the South Africa match, I called it and said it would be a one sided semi final.

Afghanistan had no chance in hell of fluking a World Cup.
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The australia and bangladesh games were a fluke.

I didnt watch the nz game so dont know about that.

Anyone who follows afghamistan crickey will tell you the australia game was a fluke. Gulbaddin is a rubbish bowler and if you gift him 4 wickets than just fluking a win
 
Major said:
The australia and bangladesh games were a fluke.

I didnt watch the nz game so dont know about that.

Anyone who follows afghamistan crickey will tell you the australia game was a fluke. Gulbaddin is a rubbish bowler and if you gift him 4 wickets than just fluking a win
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I don't think you even know what fluke means.
 
Savak said:
Kohli should have batted at a better strike rate. He is lucky that Axar played the knock that he did and India enjoyed having a once in a generation world class Bhumra to help bail India out, the margin of defeat was 7 runs and if India had lost he would have been crucified
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When first three wickets fell one after another, no one was aiming for 200 total , everyone was thinking about 150-160 , having said that after Virat axar partnership there was a period of uneasiness where Kohli should have taken initiative to score faster ..Apart from that Kohli innings was a responsible one and scored 76 of 59 balls ..All others who had licence for big hits have scored 93 (61) ...It was an effective anchoring role played by him..
 
ftbno1 said:
1. Three spinners in Barbados: Siraj should have played as third pacer on this wicket. If he could be dropped after bowling well in US leg so could Kuldip looking at conditions.
Indian spinners didn't bowl badly, no spinner can do any thing a batter hits you on back foot for six over covers.
2. Jadeja could have been promoted instead of Pant at three. Jadeja was not utilizes properly by India at all in whole tournament.
3.Hardik bowled very poor final over both the wicket balls were in the slot and we were lucky.
I am really happy that we won but this time the underlying feeling is more relief than joy. Your thoughts???
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Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar
 
The whole issue was that these mistakes almost cost us game.
A more seasoned team like Australia would have made us pay for those mistakes.
In the end India could not stamp there authority on this tournament like Sri Lanka 96 or Aus 99,03 & 07.
A close match against Aus or England would have been acceptable but not this South African team.
None other than QDK or Rabada would come in contention to be in this Indian eleven.
 
Every team made mistakes. No team will ever have a perfect run.
ftbno1 said:
The whole issue was that these mistakes almost cost us game.
A more seasoned team like Australia would have made us pay for those mistakes.
In the end India could not stamp there authority on this tournament like Sri Lanka 96 or Aus 99,03 & 07.
A close match against Aus or England would have been acceptable but not this South African team.
None other than QDK or Rabada would come in contention to be in this Indian eleven.
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It's difficult to stamp authority in T20 cricket tournaments though. Matches are one in very fine margins. One big over can swing the game either way.

In this format perfection is impossible.

So to achieve an unbeaten run while taking out some big teams along the way is an achievement that shouldn't be scorned at.
 
ftbno1 said:
The whole issue was that these mistakes almost cost us game.
A more seasoned team like Australia would have made us pay for those mistakes.
In the end India could not stamp there authority on this tournament like Sri Lanka 96 or Aus 99,03 & 07.
A close match against Aus or England would have been acceptable but not this South African team.
None other than QDK or Rabada would come in contention to be in this Indian eleven.
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Correct me if I am wrong but India beat Oz earlier in the tourney with the same team and no use if and what ifng what could have been, you can only beat what's in front of you.

Are you seriously comparing a 20 over tourney to a 50 over tourney. 20 overs pretty much narrows the gap between the teams.

Plus India went through the tourney unbeaten, no pleasing some folks :facepalm:
 
nish_mate said:
Correct me if I am wrong but India beat Oz earlier in the tourney with the same team and no use if and what ifng what could have been, you can only beat what's in front of you.

Are you seriously comparing a 20 over tourney to a 50 over tourney. 20 overs pretty much narrows the gap between the teams.

Plus India went through the tourney unbeaten, no pleasing some folks :facepalm:
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You are not getting me
In 07 t20 wc there was no difference in quality of teams of India and Pakistan. So a freak win was cherished by country men because victory of Pakistan wouldn't have been surprise to us.
Same was case in 2011 we were good but so we're many teams.
Here the difference between quality two teams was huge and we allowed them to come close because of our missteps. It quality and fear of Bumrah which saved us.
You are really selling yourself short. Are you honestly saying quality of teams of India and South Africa are same?
Many of them don't even get picked by IPL teams.
I never said that I am not happy. But there is nothing wrong in pointing out some flaws.
Discussion is whole point of this forum.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Every team made mistakes. No team will ever have a perfect run.
It's difficult to stamp authority in T20 cricket tournaments though. Matches are one in very fine margins. One big over can swing the game either way.

In this format perfection is impossible.

So to achieve an unbeaten run while taking out some big teams along the way is an achievement that shouldn't be scorned at.
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I agree with this.

World t20 2007, pakistan stamped authority, yet they failed in the finals

Than in 2009, the qudrat ka nizam was invented and we won.

I think the only team to ever stamp authority in an icc tournament was the australian side of the 2000 and England in the 2019 world cup
 
ftbno1 said:
You are not getting me
In 07 t20 wc there was no difference in quality of teams of India and Pakistan. So a freak win was cherished by country men because victory of Pakistan wouldn't have been surprise to us.
Same was case in 2011 we were good but so we're many teams.
Here the difference between quality two teams was huge and we allowed them to come close because of our missteps. It quality and fear of Bumrah which saved us.
You are really selling yourself short. Are you honestly saying quality of teams of India and South Africa are same?
Many of them don't even get picked by IPL teams.
I never said that I am not happy. But there is nothing wrong in pointing out some flaws.
Discussion is whole point of this forum.
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Oh man the 2007 side of both pakistan and india were soo epic that i remember how no team was willing to give up in the group stage match and it ended in a tie.

I think india stayed undefeated, while pakistan only lost the final as they were undefeated. The group stage match was a tie, the bowl out was for points.

But man i remember the way india took england apart and pakistan went after Australia.

But in 2011, india had advantage. India prepared themselves by playing in india or subcontinent whole year round thus preparing better. Any team that had spinners was going to win. Pakistan i think was close to losing to canada or west indies, but than our spinners defended those games well
 
ftbno1 said:
You are not getting me
In 07 t20 wc there was no difference in quality of teams of India and Pakistan. So a freak win was cherished by country men because victory of Pakistan wouldn't have been surprise to us.
Same was case in 2011 we were good but so we're many teams.
Here the difference between quality two teams was huge and we allowed them to come close because of our missteps. It quality and fear of Bumrah which saved us.
You are really selling yourself short. Are you honestly saying quality of teams of India and South Africa are same?
Many of them don't even get picked by IPL teams.
I never said that I am not happy. But there is nothing wrong in pointing out some flaws.
Discussion is whole point of this forum.
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In T20 yes, quality of the same teams is the same.

T20 is built on fearsome bashers and quality bowlers- only things seperating India from SA is quality of bowlers. I would argue their bashers are better than ours.

On paper and for T20 for me.

Bumrah> Rabada
Arsh< Nortje
Kuldeep (even though below par final)> Shamsi
Axar (bowler)= Maharaj, Axar (batter)> Maharaj (batter)
Rohit= QDK (in terms for bashing)
Kohli= Hendricks (bashing)
Pant=Makram (bashing)
Dubey<Klassen
SKY=Miller
Hardik>Jansen
Jaddu<Stubbs (batting)

Based on the above 1 make 4 Indians to be better than their SA CP, 4 equals and 3 less than.

Its not a glaring differnce in quality on paper.

IPL most teams are restricted to 4 overseas players, not a valid comparison.

Of the above SA team, only chaps I wouldnt pick for IPL are Hendericks & Jansen.

This wasnt a weak SA team by any stretch of imagination. It was 55:45 in Indias favour at the start. This was never meant to be a walk in the park at all IMHO.
 
biggest blunder of India was sticking with dube when u already have jaiswal in the squad.

Thankfully they have won the WC else shivam dube would have been stoned to death.
 
I think everybody misread the pitch. Both captains and even the comms mentioned that pitch would slow down as the game progresses but it never did. Kohli played his usual innings as Axar was sent as a pinch hitter. The plan was to launch after 10 to.12 overs. Kohli realized around 15th over that pitch is better than he thought and tried hard to score. I watched the replay. He mistimed many shots and there wasn'r any lack of intent. Everyone thought the pitch was beginning to slow down based on his mistimed shots. Dube played a good innings and at the end only Indian team knew they were 15 to 20 short. Hardik didn't get many balls to score and Kohli got out just as he was connecting thanks to bad bowling by Jansen and then Rabada.

The opening overs were good by India but kuldeep froze. There was no zip in his bowling. There was a bit of turn on the pitch but he struggled to.cope with the left and right batting combination. Despite all this, India had their noses ahead. Then came Klassen and he possibly played one of the most brutal innings in world cup final history. He destroyed Kuldeep and Axar is 2 overs. It felt like Rohit made a mistake by not splitting Kuldeep and Axar's overs with a Bumrah over. Or atleast bowl Hardik in place of Axar. I don't think Rohit had confidence in Hardik's bowling and Axar had the experience of bowling in power plays. Also, he usually gives Bumrah an over between 10 to 15 overs only if he bowled just one over in the PP overs.

SA's attitude against Bumrah led to their downfall. It killed their momentum. After Pant's theatrics, India got lucky as Klassen played a lazy stroke to a well executed delivery of Hardik. SQ went into their shell further and Jansen's wicket meant Miller alone could win it for SA. The q9th over by Arshdeep was fantastic. Miller tried to hit him twice but couldn't. A bouncer and then a pin point Yorker contained Miller. The last over by Hardik was no good. A full toss ball wasn't dispatched and even Rabada could have deposited the 5th ball into stands. Both were hit me balls but a spectacular catch and world cup.final nerves took care of SA.
 
Major said:
in hindsight its easy to point out mistakes.

Thing is they won, thats what matters in the end. Plus, it was not a fluke victory like Pakistans CT 2017. India was undefeated
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I won't label Pakistan's CT2017 victory as fluke. Yes, they started the tournament as underdogs but peaked just at the right time. Beat Eng(tournament favourite) in SF comfortably & then beat Ind in the Final by 150+ margin. (I m sure every rational Indian fan would agree with me here.)
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
The last 3 ICC trophies have come for India when they haven't played against NZ. Kiwis have a voodoo touch on India
2011, 2013 and now 2024 India escaped facing Kiwis hence they won.
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Ind comfortably beat NZ twice in ODI WC 2023. (Incl. SF). The only team that could hv outplayed Ind in that tournament was Aus. And they did.
 
I think not playing Jaiswal or Samson instead of Dube was a big mistake. Even though they won the WC but still, DUBE was a weak link throughout the event apart from final.
 
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