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Unrest in Sweden over planned Quran burnings

Champ_Pal said:
India is not woke like Sweden. Government does not go soft on Islamists. They know the consequences.
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This is probably the same reasoning as the extremist used to execute this person who desecrated the Quaran to be fair, except at govt level. "They know the consequences".
 
In 2024, it is estimated that there are around 2.5 million Hafiz, though the actual number is likely much higher, along with thousands of Alims. Even if every physical copy of the Qur'an were destroyed, its teachings would remain preserved. Responding with violence to someone who wishes to burn a Qur'an is not the solution. Instead, the best response is to walk away, ignore them, and deny them the attention they crave.

Let them burn as many copies as they want, it does not diminish the Qur'an.
 
Champ_Pal said:
India is not woke like Sweden. Government does not go soft on Islamists. They know the consequences.
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Imagine if India took action against all extremists, regardless of whether they were in the majority.
 
cricketjoshila said:
They are doing what and how?
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Check your post that I quoted. You said "anything" against Islam, so what are the following incidents?
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The Bald Eagle said:
Check your post that I quoted. You said "anything" against Islam, so what are the following incidents?
www.bbc.com

Nupur Sharma: The Indian woman behind offensive Prophet Muhammad comments

Who is Nupur Sharma, the politician whose offensive comments have incensed the Islamic world?
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

m.thewire.in

Book Excerpt: The Many Anti-Muslim Laws Brought in By the Modi Government - The Wire

While the Citizenship Amendment Act rightly was criticised around the world for specifically targeting Muslims along with the NRC pincer, other laws India has passed since 2014 have not received as much notice.
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Nupur Sharma was prosecuted as per law. Yet two people who supported her freedom of speech were killed by Muslims.

CAA allows Bangladeshi and Pakistani non muslims to who entered India till 2014 to claim asylum and get citizenship. It doesn't apply to any Indian Muslims nor it has anything to do with Quran, The Prophet (pbuh) and Allah(SAW).
 
cricketjoshila said:
Nupur Sharma was prosecuted as per law. Yet two people who supported her freedom of speech were killed by Muslims.

CAA allows Bangladeshi and Pakistani non muslims to who entered India till 2014 to claim asylum and get citizenship. It doesn't apply to any Indian Muslims nor it has anything to do with Quran, The Prophet (pbuh) and Allah(SAW).
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What prosecuted as per law, what punishment did she achieved? Remember Indian constitution article 295, 296 or have you heard of Siddhu Moosewala 295
 
The Bald Eagle said:
What prosecuted as per law, what punishment did she achieved? Remember Indian constitution article 295, 296 or have you heard of Siddhu Moosewala 295
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She is facing the court and is out on bail.

Moosewala 295? What's that?

For all i know Moosewala was facing the Arms Act.
 
S. 295 Injuring or defiling place of worship, with intent to insult the religion of any class

Whoever destroys, damages or defiles any place of worship, or any object held sacred by any class of persons with the intention of thereby insulting the religion of any class of persons or with the knowledge that any class of persons is likely to consider such destruction, damage or defilement as an insult to their religion, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to two years, or with fine, or with both.

cricketjoshila said:
She is facing the court and is out on bail.

Moosewala 295? What's that?

For all i know Moosewala was facing the Arms Act.
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I know what is IPC 295 now called BNS 295 a more stringent version. Nupur Sharma is facing charges under IPC 295 and is out on bail.
The Bald Eagle said:
S. 295 Injuring or defiling place of worship, with intent to insult the religion of any class

Whoever destroys, damages or defiles any place of worship, or any object held sacred by any class of persons with the intention of thereby insulting the religion of any class of persons or with the knowledge that any class of persons is likely to consider such destruction, damage or defilement as an insult to their religion, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to two years, or with fine, or with both.
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sweep_shot said:
Islamophobic Indian posters suddenly found their voice. They are cawing like crows.

They were silent when a young Palestinian boy (Wadea al-Fayoume) in America was stabbed to death by an Islamophobe.
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Well they certainly find their laughing emojis very easily..
 
BouncerGuy said:
Man who burned Quran 'shot dead in Sweden'

A man who sparked violent protests after burning the Quran has been shot dead in Sweden, according to local media reports.

Salwan Momika, 38, is reported to have been killed in an apartment in Södertälje, Stockholm, on Wednesday evening.

Unrest broke out after Mr Momik set fire to a copy of Islam's holy book outside Stockholm Central Mosque in 2023.

Stockholm police said in a statement that five people had been arrested after a man in his 40s was shot dead overnight.

Mr Momika, an Iraqi living in Sweden, was charged in August alongside one other with "agitation against an ethnic group" on four occasions in the summer of 2023.

The verdict, due to be delivered on Thursday, was postponed after it was "confirmed that one of the defendants had died", Stockholm District Court said.

Mr Momika carried out a series of anti-Islam protests, sparking outrage in many Muslim-majority countries.

Unrest took place at the Swedish embassy in Baghdad twice, while the Swedish ambassador was expelled from the city amid a diplomatic row.

The Swedish government had given Mr Momika permission for the protest in which he burnt the holy book, saying it was in accordance with its free-speech laws.

It later pledged to explore legal means of abolishing protests that involve burning texts in certain circumstances.

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Such sad news, he was a productive member of society. He will be missed by likeminded people. R.I.P
Condolences to his friends
 
Nobody should be killed for this reason , you burn any book more people will read it . The worry was further spreading of hate of muslims .

The guy was given a new life in Sweden, instead he decided to provoke and spread hate. If he went to different parts of the world and did the same to others , his life would be at risk .
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apart from some folk in india who are mourning, he doesn't seem to be very missed by Europeans
 
sweep_shot said:
Islamophobic Indian posters suddenly found their voice. They are cawing like crows.

They were silent when a young Palestinian boy (Wadea al-Fayoume) in America was stabbed to death by an Islamophobe.
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Pointing obvious is Islamophobia.👍

If we are islamophobic, we could find many stories every week and post it here. This is not about point scoring.
 
Violence is never the path to go on. Killing is human being can never be justified in such cases... He did the worst possible thing by burning HOLY QURAN and he should have been dealt with according to law
 
Farhan The Man said:
Worse possible thing? By burning a paper book.

Righteousness has left you. Religious rigidness made you wicked. Your calls for compassion for your causes are discarded. Forever.

It's humanity vs. you. And your kind. Forever.
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He shouldn’t have been killed, but he knew what he was getting himself into.

If I was to burn the bible in public, I would probably get arrested or beaten up, whereas this guy was being protected by the police.
 
Farhan The Man said:
Worse possible thing? By burning a paper book.

Righteousness has left you. Religious rigidness made you wicked. Your calls for compassion for your causes are discarded. Forever.

It's humanity vs. you. And your kind. Forever.
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I do agree with you that it is just a paper book, and people should remember that. It's a print copy at the end of the day. I just think this guy thought being in the west was all about mocking religion openly and that was what life was all about. He probably figured everyone will support me here so I can really let myself go and try to fit in.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
He shouldn’t have been killed, but he knew what he was getting himself into.

If I was to burn the bible in public, I would probably get arrested or beaten up, whereas this guy was being protected by the police.
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Not in US, you won't.

Care to mention the countries where you'll get arrested for bible desecration? Is this your drive by whattaboutism?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I just think this guy thought being in the west was all about mocking religion openly and that was what life was all about. He probably figured everyone will support me here so I can really let myself go and try to fit in.
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No, the guy thought he'd be SAFE mocking religion while he was living in the West. This is no longer the case due to mass muslim immigration into Europe/US, something their leaders should really start thinking about.
 
RexRex said:
No, the guy thought he'd be SAFE mocking religion while he was living in the West. This is no longer the case due to mass muslim immigration into Europe/US, something their leaders should really start thinking about.
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Well that's what I was saying basically. He would never have done that in Iraq so he probably thought he was in dreamland in Sweden where he could burn a copy of the Quran and put it on social media where he would be SAFE. Unfortunately it only takes one guy with a gun to prove the lie.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Well that's what I was saying basically. He would never have done that in Iraq so he probably thought he was in dreamland in Sweden where he could burn a copy of the Quran and put it on social media where he would be SAFE. Unfortunately it only takes one guy with a gun to prove the lie.
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About a dozen or so posts on this thread say that the poor guy had it coming .. including your posts where you're more interested in psychoanalyzing the victim and his motives, implicitly putting the blame on him. Shameful 👎
 
HalBass9 said:
No! he was murdered and the person who killed him is a murderer under the Sharia law, a set of law that do not exist in any part of the world.
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Penalty for blasphemy under Sharia is death. This has been confirmed in other threads.
 
RexRex said:
About a dozen or so posts on this thread say that the poor guy had it coming .. including your posts where you're more interested in psychoanalyzing the victim and his motives, implicitly putting the blame on him. Shameful 👎
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No one said he had it coming, those are your words. But don't tell me he would be ignorant of any risks after the Charlie Hebdo fiasco. If anything I have been giving him too much credit in thinking he was safe to desecrate the Quran just because he was in Sweden. He was naive at best considering the Charlie Hebdo furore. Like I said, even if 99% of Muslims would just ignore it (as they should), it only takes one enraged guy with a gun to end everything. I don't think that's a good outcome but maybe you do.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
No one said he had it coming, those are your words. But don't tell me he would be ignorant of any risks after the Charlie Hebdo fiasco. If anything I have been giving him too much credit in thinking he was safe to desecrate the Quran just because he was in Sweden. He was naive at best considering the Charlie Hebdo furore. Like I said, even if 99% of Muslims would just ignore it (as they should), it only takes one enraged guy with a gun to end everything. I don't think that's a good outcome but maybe you do.
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Yes ofcourse .. keep blaming the victim. Shameful.
 
RexRex said:
Yes ofcourse .. keep blaming the victim. Shameful.
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You can use twee phrases like victim blaming as much as you want. He wanted to burn the Quran and post it publically on social media. Now he's dead. Those are the facts, no amount of blame shifting is going to change that.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
You can use twee phrases like victim blaming as much as you want. He wanted to burn the Quran and post it publically on social media. Now he's dead. Those are the facts, no amount of blame shifting is going to change that.
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Classic victim blaming and shaming by Captain Knowledge 👏.
Its not like he had done that in Mecca, he performed his act in a Western democracy where the freedom of expression is protected.

Pakpassion is a social media, and we all sitting in our safe locations and express our perspectives whitout fear of murder on our head. BUT by your logic if someone who disagrees with other's POV and finds and murders that person. The blame shall lie with the victim for voicing his opinion on Pakpassion.
Cpt. Rishwat said:
No one said he had it coming, those are your words. But don't tell me he would be ignorant of any risks after the Charlie Hebdo fiasco. If anything I have been giving him too much credit in thinking he was safe to desecrate the Quran just because he was in Sweden. He was naive at best considering the Charlie Hebdo furore. Like I said, even if 99% of Muslims would just ignore it (as they should), it only takes one enraged guy with a gun to end everything. I don't think that's a good outcome but maybe you do.
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I don't know from what figment this 99% of Muslims are moderate stat comes from. You are not a moderate muslim by any stretch of the imagination. Just fitting into a western country and dumping on your roots so that you dont get called a racial slur by your white friends!
 
A Christian burning the Quran in public doesn’t sound like a very compassionate or a peace loving guy.

Atheist’s on this forum saw him as an angel, but if the roles were reversed and a Muslim was to burn the holy book of another faith they would’ve been labelled as intolerant, extremists etc by the same Atheist’s.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Classic victim blaming and shaming by Captain Knowledge 👏.
Its not like he had done that in Mecca, he performed his act in a Western democracy where the freedom of expression is protected.

Pakpassion is a social media, and we all sitting in our safe locations and express our perspectives whitout fear of murder on our head. BUT by your logic if someone who disagrees with other's POV and finds and murders that person. The blame shall lie with the victim for voicing his opinion on Pakpassion.

I don't know from what figment this 99% of Muslims are moderate stat comes from. You are not a moderate muslim by any stretch of the imagination. Just fitting into a western country and dumping on your roots so that you dont get called a racial slur by your white friends!
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There’s no such thing as freedom of expression.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
A Christian burning the Quran in public doesn’t sound like a very compassionate or a peace loving guy.

Atheist’s on this forum saw him as an angel, but if the roles were reversed and a Muslim was to burn the holy book of another faith they would’ve been labelled as intolerant, extremists etc by the same Atheist’s.
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I doubt your hypothetical Muslim would have been murdered.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
I can understand that freedom of expression might sound an alien concept to some people who got embedded with certain teachings crammed into their heads even before they could have the faculties to question rationally.
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Can I walk around butt naked in public and protest for my right to be naked in public without the risk of being arrested?
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Can I walk around butt naked in public and protest for my right to be naked in public without the risk of being arrested?
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Depends on the law of the land, There are jurisdictions which might allow you to do that even. Freedom of expression is protected but not absolute, people from cultures that dont allow free thoughts cant grasp this difference.
Islamic laws, rather the fragile feelings of insecure Muslims have taken over the laws of the countries in many cases we see here.
 
sweep_shot said:
Islamophobic Indian posters suddenly found their voice. They are cawing like crows.

They were silent when a young Palestinian boy (Wadea al-Fayoume) in America was stabbed to death by an Islamophobe.
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What was your response to the numerous acts of extremism by your fellow co-religionsts? Last time I checked you ran away when I cornored you on the cow topic in the Hindutva thread?
 
YousafTheBeast said:
You and I both live in Sweden, the law in Sweden allows me to walk around butt naked in public and chat up 3 year olds.

If you saw me in public walking butt naked and chatting up your 3 year old daughter, what would you do?
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Is that true?

If it is true, Sweden is a dangerous place.

There are beaches in Western countries where nudity is allowed. But chatting up kids is just wrong and should be punished severely.
 
Thread is about the incident of QURAN BURNING... STAY ON TOPIC NOW
 
sweep_shot said:
Islamophobic Indian posters suddenly found their voice. They are cawing like crows.
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Yes it's staggering and very ironic that they come out to wax lyrical about Muslims due to the action of some deranged person but are happy to accept cow vigilantes.

You don't see many posts about 7th century and backwardness when someone kills someone for allegedly eating beef.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Depends on the law of the land, There are jurisdictions which might allow you to do that even. Freedom of expression is protected but not absolute, people from cultures that dont allow free thoughts cant grasp this difference.
Islamic laws, rather the fragile feelings of insecure Muslims have taken over the laws of the countries in many cases we see here.
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If someone breaks a law does that mean that other laws have taken over?

Your logical leaps are as always astounding.
 
The usual’s are defending the deceased’s actions. Not suprisinf really..
Any killing in any form is reprehensible, all muslims who have an ounce of faith will agree to that. This guy KNEW what he was doing, it was deliberate and calculated, to rile up, throwing gallons and gallons of fuel onto the fire with this action.
Those calling it just a paper book, printed text etc etc is like saying uttering prayers is just squeeks, mouth opening and airs, just demeaning and minimising.
His killing is unfortunate, but was he expecting to be showered with garlands after committing such an act..? I mean really. For many
Muslims, Nabi paak (SAW) and the Quraan are non negotiable.. the Quraan is held and treated with extreme care and dignity in Muslim
Households and this guy just performed the ultimate desecration…
Whats worse, individuals here who Gaslight entire community..
Sorry to say…but Freedom of Speech BS has its limits as well. he F’ed around and he Found unfortunately. No proper Muslim celebrates extra judicial killing.. but when you constantly vilify a community then some individuals feel they have to respond to send a message that this is not acceptable.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
A Christian burning the Quran in public doesn’t sound like a very compassionate or a peace loving guy.

Atheist’s on this forum saw him as an angel, but if the roles were reversed and a Muslim was to burn the holy book of another faith they would’ve been labelled as intolerant, extremists etc by the same Atheist’s.
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You only need to take a look at those consuming beef in a certain part of the world to understand the compassion. Then have the audacity to say..dont speak on behalf of the victim and show humanity yada yada
 
Just ending it here…

What happened to him was WRONG.

What he did was WRONG.

This is where people like Aang, Rpants and Farhan lose the plot.

Just because he didn’t break the law, it doesn’t mean what he did was right.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Just ending it here…

What happened to him was WRONG.
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what happened to him is a crime. punishable by death penalty.
YousafTheBeast said:
What he did was WRONG.
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debatable
YousafTheBeast said:
This is where people like Aang, Rpants and Farhan lose the plot.
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you lose the plot when u equate murder to book burning
YousafTheBeast said:
Just because he didn’t break the law, it doesn’t mean what he did was right.
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hope idiocy like this is not hereditary
 
guard said:
The usual’s are defending the deceased’s actions. Not suprisinf really..
Any killing in any form is reprehensible, all muslims who have an ounce of faith will agree to that. This guy KNEW what he was doing, it was deliberate and calculated, to rile up, throwing gallons and gallons of fuel onto the fire with this action.
Those calling it just a paper book, printed text etc etc is like saying uttering prayers is just squeeks, mouth opening and airs, just demeaning and minimising.
His killing is unfortunate, but was he expecting to be showered with garlands after committing such an act..? I mean really. For many
Muslims, Nabi paak (SAW) and the Quraan are non negotiable.. the Quraan is held and treated with extreme care and dignity in Muslim
Households and this guy just performed the ultimate desecration…
Whats worse, individuals here who Gaslight entire community..
Sorry to say…but Freedom of Speech BS has its limits as well. he F’ed around and he Found unfortunately. No proper Muslim celebrates extra judicial killing.. but when you constantly vilify a community then some individuals feel they have to respond to send a message that this is not acceptable.
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muslims should try this in the US. their whole family will pay the price.
 
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Beware of the BUT bros. These western freedom-loving residents are equally complicit in this murder.

"Aww he got brutally killed...BUT deserves this ending for hurting our precious feelings".

Ironically their love for prophet is so overbearing that they choose to be disbelievers instead.

Narrated Abu Zur'a bin 'Amr bin Jarir:
The Prophet said during Hajjat-al-Wada', "Let the people be quiet and listen to me. After me, do not become disbelievers, by striking (cutting) the necks of one another."
Volume 9, Book 83, Number 8:
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rpant_gabba said:
muslims should try this in the US. their whole family will pay the price.
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This is your only takeaway Lol…Muslims can manage without your compassion 😂…
tRy thiS heRe and See whAt haPpeNs…
Condolences to you
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Classic victim blaming and shaming by Captain Knowledge 👏.
Its not like he had done that in Mecca, he performed his act in a Western democracy where the freedom of expression is protected.

Pakpassion is a social media, and we all sitting in our safe locations and express our perspectives whitout fear of murder on our head. BUT by your logic if someone who disagrees with other's POV and finds and murders that person. The blame shall lie with the victim for voicing his opinion on Pakpassion.

I don't know from what figment this 99% of Muslims are moderate stat comes from. You are not a moderate muslim by any stretch of the imagination. Just fitting into a western country and dumping on your roots so that you dont get called a racial slur by your white friends!
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You can call me a an intolerant Muslim if you like, I am sure you are a very tolerant Hindu. But if this man had asked my advice if it is a good idea to go making public videos of him desecrating the Quran, I would have told him, bro, just go have a cup of coffee and enjoy your freedom in Sweden. Don't create hatred by burning holy books just to make a name for yourself.

If he'd followed my advice, he'd be alive today enjoying that cup of coffee. If that makes me an extremist, then I am an extremist I guess.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
This Farhan character just keeps on spewing out holy verses from the Quran like he is some street preacher. I wonder if his Indian fans would like me to start quoting some nice verses from Hindu texts which we can all ponder upon? :unsure:

I think their pants would start heating up real quick, but if this is the road we are being shown....
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It was hadees actually.

Expectedly your ignorance is your path to hell as a disbeliever.

Keep plugging away. Ain't no loss to humanity or hereafter.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
You can call me a an intolerant Muslim if you like, I am sure you are a very tolerant Hindu. But if this man had asked my advice if it is a good idea to go making public videos of him desecrating the Quran, I would have told him, bro, just go have a cup of coffee and enjoy your freedom in Sweden. Don't create hatred by burning holy books just to make a name for yourself.

If he'd followed my advice, he'd be alive today enjoying that cup of coffee. If that makes me an extremist, then I am an extremist I guess.
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More victim blaming instead of condemning muder without any caveats. Sad.

Airbender is right, you're not a moderate Muslim by any means .. a lot of your views are primitive, on this and other threads.
 
Farhan The Man said:
Do the dead guy a favor, and don't speak on his behalf.

Build some sympathy for humanity first.

You can't be that blinded in hate by religion.
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Sorry for your loss .

pls explain why this chap deserves sympathy from people who have only seen him spread hate after given the opportunity to live in Europe?
 
RexRex said:
More victim blaming instead of condemning muder without any caveats. Sad.

Airbender is right, you're not a moderate Muslim by any means .. a lot of your views are primitive, on this and other threads.
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Not really a surprise you agree with a hardline hindutva, you can pretend to be a moderate but it's just a different version. Only extremists think it's a good idea to go on the streets and burn holy texts. If this guy had followed my advice he'd be alive to enjoy his new country. But you want to support him 6ft under tells us exactly where your priorities lie.
 
Farhan The Man said:
It was hadees actually.

Expectedly your ignorance is your path to hell as a disbeliever.

Keep plugging away. Ain't no loss to humanity or hereafter.
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I see you ignored the part about me opening threads about Hindu holy texts. Did it make you flinch perhaps?
 
rpant_gabba said:
muslims should try this in the US. their whole family will pay the price.
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What does that tell us? Firstly that your moral outrage is fake, secondly that the US is ten times worse then Muslims when it comes to lynch mob behaviour according to you. At least in the case of Muslims it will be a lone vigilante (wrongly) taking the law into his own hands.
 
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