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US attack on Iran: New phase of confrontation (2025 version)

The American intervention came from a point of weakness. The Israelis for all the bravado were getting pummelled by Iranian missiles and they were desperate for Daddy to help. Iran has 2 options- do nothing against America but go harder against Israel and its Nuclear sites, obliterate Israeli Defense sites and Ports( obviously they will respond against the oil), the second option is to attack American bases and the oil facilities of Saudi. I have a feeling that Trump, Putin and Xi may have agreed this attack and stop any further escalations
 
hks222 said:
Probably, because seems like the project is coming to an end with Iraq, Libya, Syria etc. already under US wing.
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Thi is all part of the Greater israel Project. Satanyahu been spouting xxit about iran since destruction of Iraq
 
US bases ‘not strength but greatest vulnerability’: Revolutionary Guard

The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp (IRGC) says “the criminal American regime” has not learned the lessons of past Middle East wars and will suffer the consequences after bombing Iran.

“The US’s repetition of past failed follies demonstrates strategic incompetence and disregard for the realities on the ground in the region,” the IRGC said in a statement.

“Instead of learning from repeated failures, Washington has effectively placed itself on the front lines of aggression by directly attacking peaceful [nuclear] installations.”

The paramilitary force said the flight locations of the US aircraft that participated in the attack “have been identified and monitored”.

“The number, dispersion, and size of US military bases in the region are not a strength but have doubled their vulnerability,” the Revolutionary Guard warned.

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The US is preparing for an almost certain response from Iran, The New York Times reports. 👀 :kp
 

PM Modi speaks with Iran's president, calls for de-escalation, dialogue, diplomacy​


Iran-Israel conflict: PM Modi also expressed deep concern at the recent escalations.​


Hours after the United States carried out strikes at Iran's underground nuclear facilities, Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Sunday spoke with the President of the beleaguered country, Masoud Pezeshkian, calling for "immediate de-escalation, dialogue and diplomacy". PM Modi also expressed deep concern at the recent escalations.

"Spoke with President of Iran @drpezeshkian.We discussed in detail about the current situation. Expressed deep concern at the recent escalations. Reiterated our call for immediate de-escalation, dialogue and diplomacy as the way forward and for early restoration of regional peace, security and stability," PM Modi wrote on X.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1936721293682131386

 
No condemnation from brother milk Turkey @DeadlyVenom :dw :kp

Turkey’s Foreign Ministry says it is "deeply concerned" about the potential fallout from U.S. strikes on Iran
 
KingKhanWC said:
Very weak attack by Yanks on mostly empty sites which were already bombed and quickly calling for peace after . The once US great superpower is in irreversible decline , debt ridden with leaders in the government no smarter than the muppets puppet show .

Iran should continue on devastating Israel , making historic damage on a daily basis . Iran shouldn’t take of a ceasefire, it’s wining this , which nobody expected. Iran could continue these missile attacks for years with other nations topping up their inventory.
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Have you seen the video of Trump thanking God and asking God to protect the military?

He is so vulnerable that it's obvious he didn't want to strike Iran but hey ho, he is in the pockets of the Zionists.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Attacking US is not an option.
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When Gen Solemani was murdered by Trump in 2020, Iran gave a befitting but calibrated response by launching ballistic missiles at a US base in Iraq.

110 US troops had head injuries - 1 of them topped himself later on so the score was evened and it all settled down afterwards.

Iran also still has plenty of proxies in Iraq.

Unfortunately going after the rapist orangutan pig isn't an option but we'll let the years of Big Macs and full sugar Cokes do its thing.
 
The real question now is what is Iran's response. Based on everything I'm reading, the Americans hit these bases with a few bombs and did moderate to light damage. It's more the humiliation of getting bombed than the actual success/level of damage that will hurt them.

I suspect calmer head in Moscow and Beijing will have a huge role to play, maybe they'll ask Iran to use a few ballistic missiles and aim for American bases but acoid casualties like last time. That is a way both sides can claim a victory and de-escalate.

But - one thing is an absolute given now. Iran will be building a nuke and the road it has just been accelerated.
 
What is Trump’s objective here? It appears he’s attempting to shield Netanyahu from the fallout of a conflict with Iran that was ill-advised from the outset and beyond Israel’s capacity to resolve decisively. The limited nature of the US strike suggests a calculated effort to avoid triggering a major Iranian escalation. One would hope this reflects deliberate restraint rather than any shortfall in US military capability or willingness to assume risk. So far, Iran’s response has been notably restrained, downplaying the extent of damage and reporting no significant casualties.
 

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Kind of feel sorry for Temu Arnab, spent days and nights searching for content to copy paste and in the end not only Trump betrayed him but Modi as well.

:afridi
 
After israel, now USA humiliated the iran but some Usual posters be like Let's talk about India.
:dw :kp
 
Bharat quietly preparing for WW3, Water Wars, Sino-Indian war 2.0

Keep a high hand

Think long term
 
Pezeshkian says US behind Israel’s hostile actions

We have some comments by Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian carried by state media.

Pezeshkian accused the US of being the “main cause” of Israel’s hostile actions against Iran, according to translated comments published on IRNA news agency.

“Although they initially tried to conceal their role, after the decisive and deterrent response of our country’s armed forces and the observation of the Zionist regime’s [Israel’s] obvious inability, they inevitably came to the fore,” he said, referring to the US.

According to IRNA, Pezeshkian said despite the losses suffered by the country, it was now time to set aside differences and “activate the great capacities of the people”.

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HalBass9 said:
What is Trump’s objective here? It appears he’s attempting to shield Netanyahu from the fallout of a conflict with Iran that was ill-advised from the outset and beyond Israel’s capacity to resolve decisively. The limited nature of the US strike suggests a calculated effort to avoid triggering a major Iranian escalation. One would hope this reflects deliberate restraint rather than any shortfall in US military capability or willingness to assume risk. So far, Iran’s response has been notably restrained, downplaying the extent of damage and reporting no significant casualties.
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Pakpak said:
Little more than symbolic. The bombs use have had never been used for such deep bunkers and were only used once. Hence why 'come to the negotiation table', because their abilities are more or less there and not destroyed. Otherwise there is nothing to negotiate with. If they were destroyed like Iraq's were, that would be that. Satelites verified the 'strikes' Israel did on their nuclear facilities too, some were just outright lies or very superficial damage. And others were insiginficant to their program.

What's not symbolic is the staggering damage the MSM has been hiding in Israel. You only have to go to TikTok to follow Hebrew channels or Israeli influencers walking around Tel Aviv, Haifa and Beer Sheva etc to see the chaos and huge damage from missile strikes. I can't share that here to show any of you as none of you have Tiktok but it really pushes the impression that Israel is facing nothing when it's a total lie. Its why the Israeli government is making it illegal for anyone in Israel to share videos. Israel's: elite pilot school, their air force's communication centre and various Mossad's HQs - gone and both take decades of talent, experience to build up and severely affect an air force's readiness. Their most presitigous science institute housing so much research - totally destroyed. Haifa's ports are unusable, so are the other 2 ports Israel have. Their main oil refinery is, for now, gone. There's a very nice clip of Israeli's sitting on the hill overlooking the oil refinery burning, in total shock. Their chip production, something which drives Israel's tech imports - target and severely damaged. Their diamond exchange, something that's a major export - destroyed. The air base which housed planes that carry nukes - out of action for now. Almost all of this verified directly by the strikes and the aftermath videos. None of it 'we did it' like India.

Its why Israel's been on all 4s begging the US for help. Nothing could be more meme worthy than Netanyahu looking absolutely stunned standing near ruined buildings and as he is speaking the building collapses. I've never seen him looking more defeated.

I said a few days ago, regime change isn't possible without boots on the ground. Which would not happen due to various reasons and due to Iran's response and the fact its impossible. Hence why the US and Israel have both climbed down from that.

And while I am writing this, massive strikes again in Tel Aviv this morning. Keep it coming. Israel's utterly financially ruined for years to come. Iran is 90 million, survived a million dead. It can take losses. This genocidal colonising regime won't take no jobs, hiding in shelters 24/7, no prospect of employment everyday, no way to earn money.
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My post from the other thread. Applies here.
 
As soon as flights resume, you will see hundreads of thousands of settlers scrambling to leave isreal, Not counting the thousand who have already left by boat, Who do you have left the Ultra orthodox who are except from fighting and refuse to join the military?
 
topspin said:
Thanks for this bro. I enjoy your calm analysis. What do you think will happen next and how will this end?
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I see more problems for Israel than Iran.

For Iran:

a) none of Iran's missile abilities have been majorily degraded (they have been hit absolutely no doubt but it hasn't stopped them), infact now every target they choose they end up hitting in Israel without much issue. They are also not dependent on ruinions fuel costs for strikes, nor depend on the goodwill of states to fly over
b) It's not really impacted their economy, they were already under sanctions and most of their oil export is done via smuggling or their shadow naval fleet (something the Russians have also now adopted). While yes it would hit them but not as much as Israel as they were already financially banished by the West anyway
c) Iran will avoid hitting the US, unless its symbolic, but will absolutely pound Israel for every strike they get. As evident this morning.


For Israel this is a problem:

a) what is the aim here? This is the extent of the US's involvement, by this I mean outright US military attack. Beyond this Israel is already doing what it can to the maximum of its military ability
b) their iron dome batteries, reported by many outlets are running low on missiles. The US stocks are also running so this is a major problem for them. Yesterday's clips from inside Haifa showed 3 Iraninan ballistic missiles hitting various military facilities with no sirens, no Iron Dome launchers and no warnings. As I type this there's a video of a precision strike in Tel Aviv, the target being Israel's top biological and chemical weapons research facility. Videos of rubbled buildings. Israel, unlike Iran, also suffers the same problem as Pakistan, unlike India, does - no strategic depth. Due to its small size virtually the entire country can be hit and there is no 'safe' place for its military assets or financial centres or factories. Now you can argue yes they have jets that can reach all parts of Iran but it's largely overplayed as Israeli strikes have been forced to be restricted to Eastern Iran. The diplomatic cost for Israel to fly jets across different airspaces is also dependent on the Arabs. As they're all willing partners. But if there is a large escalation then the Saudis won't want to see their preious 2030 vision in smokes by Iraninan missiles just for Israel. And if that happens then Israel's ability to strike Iran ends. But for Iran that ability still exists. And then financial cost for Israel to fly jets back and forth....is utterly ruinious which brings me to my next point:
c) their economy is on life support, all their ports degraded or outright unusable, their financial centre took massive hits by strikes, their entire civilian airline fleet is grounded in Cyprus and Greece, their entire populace spends 24/7 inside shelters massively impacting their economic output. Ironically, their nation is under siege from the air and the sea without actually being under siege. How fitting.

I said the same a few days ago re: regime change: it is not possible. Regime change happened in Iraq and Afg after hundreds of thousands of US soliders had to be put on the ground, there was an established opposition already fighting with some level of organisation and arms, the nations were helpless, their landmass was not too big and their populations were tiny.

None of which is true for Iran: there is no established armed homogenous opposition engaged in siginficant arms resistance, Iran has potent missiles; hypersonic missiles would be a total disaster for the US Navy and not worth a massive blow to their prestige to be put in danger (the fact that not even the US has been able to shoot down the huge Iranian missiles is a sign enough), Iran is massive with very difficult terrain and its population is huge. To topple the regime and install a new regime you'd need a proper opposition, a fake parliament, an entire new syste of police and security....millions of Iraninans willing to be a part of this (while yes lot of Iranians hate their regime but there is no organised power centre to enable this). This would need to be enforced by hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of US troops. Which would need access to bases from neighboring countries to organise all this massive logisitcal excercise. There is not a single Arab nation who would volunteer for it and face the carnage Tel Aviv, Haifa, Beer Sheva and other Israeli cities are facing. The US being bogged down then would be a chance of a life time for the Chinese and the Russians to inflict huge damage to the US. So it's a no go. Now yes we can point to Libya but not even the US would want Iran's fate to be Libya's. If Iran was in chaos controlled by various factions then choke points like Hormuz would be at anyone's mercy. Presence of violent Jihadi groups under noones control would also be unacceptable to Arab dictatorships next door. Hence why the US and even Israel have clearly said no regime change.

Which leaves us to now. The size of Israel is 22,000 sq km. Iran's is one and half MILLION. These back and forth strikes would continue but Israel would be rubble before Tehran alone suffers the same fate. I follow a lot of Hebrew and Israeli accounts on TikTok, many said the entire plan by Netanyahu was to somehow get the US involved for good. That there is no plan beyond this and people are tiring of running to shelters every few hours. This shows you what Israelis think themselves of their capabilities.

For some justice, some of you might remember a certain Israeli woman painting her face with lipstick 'blood', fake crying and making fun of Palestinian mothers mourning their kids. That woman is now homeless after her house was destroyed in one of the strikes. She posted a video of it crying.
 

PM warns of 'risk of escalation' after US bombs Iran nuclear sites​

Sir Keir Starmer has warned of a "risk of escalation" to the Middle East and beyond the region, as he calls for a return to the negotiating table after the US bombed Iranian nuclear sites overnight.

The prime minister said he wanted to "reassure the British public that we're doing everything we can to stabilise the situation" and find a diplomatic solution after the US bombed three sites.

He added the government had "taken all necessary measures" to protect UK interests in the region but his focus was on de-escalation.

Sir Keir said there was no UK involvement in the US action but he was told about it in advance.

He will later chair an emergency Cobra response meeting.

The US said it had carried out strikes on three nuclear facilities in Iran: Natanz, Isfahan and Fordo on Saturday night.

US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth said the strikes "devastated the Iranian nuclear programme".

Iran's foreign minister Seyed Abbas Araghchi called the US strikes "outrageous" and said they would have "everlasting consequences".

Speaking at his Chequers country retreat, Sir Keir said escalation was a risk to the Middle East and "beyond the region".

He added "that's why all our focus has been on de-escalating, getting people back around to negotiate what is a very real threat in relation to the nuclear programme".

He said the UK had been "clear Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon", adding stability in the region was the priority.

Business Secretary Jonathan Reynolds told the BBC's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme that Iran "is a threat to this country, not in an abstract way, not in a speculative way".

He stressed there was "simply no way a responsible British government would ever allow [Iran] to possess nuclear weapons".

Reynolds stopped short of welcoming the US strikes, saying he "wanted a different way to obtain this but I cannot pretend to you that prevention of Iran having a nuclear weapon is anything other than in the interests of the UK".

Although the UK had "wanted" a peaceful de-escalation of tensions, Reynolds added: "Iran didn't listen to the diplomatic calls for a peaceful solution. That was a mistake."

Source: BBC
 
Just for the clarification it isn’t Iran’s parliament that decides whether Hormuz shuts but the final decision lies with the Supreme Nat'l Security Council.

Iranian officials have often threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz, but have never actually done so

That being said, ships have previously been hit passing through. That could happen again, causing some shipowners to avoid Hormuz or insurance/freight rates to skyrocket.

,:kp
 
globetrotter said:
If you have valid points then argue on merits…. Many times you are bhagging if you have no answer
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Are you talking about yourself, Mr Liar? Because you were the one running away and hiding behind others when the going gets tough for you here. And what valid points do you have anyway? :yk :inti
 
$24 billion worth of bombers of doomsday
 

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There's zero chance Iran will close the Hormuz strait, they're too chicken for that. It will just unite their enemies.
 
Rajdeep said:
Iran having nuclear weapon is a threat to humanity...so they cant have one. Sorry.
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Actually, India having one is threat to close to 2 billion people, recently a lunatic decided to attack nuclear armed country over a fantasy and then become a surrender Modi. Yet to provide any evidence or suspects.

But the biggest threat to humanity is the BO of Indians in western countries.

:afridi
 
Key Updates:

The US military has confirmed using B-2 stealth bombers to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities at Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan, reportedly causing severe destruction while evading Iranian defences. Iran’s Foreign Minister Seyed Abbas Araghchi condemned the attacks as a violation of international law, vowing retaliation and blaming Washington for sabotaging ongoing diplomatic talks. As tensions escalate, the United Nations, Russia, and Spain have called for de-escalation, while the US insists its strikes were limited and successful. Meanwhile, Maersk has said it will continue shipping through the Strait of Hormuz but is closely monitoring the situation.

On the ground, Israel continues its assault on Gaza and Lebanon, with more than 50 Palestinians killed in the last 24 hours, including aid seekers. In the occupied West Bank, raids and curfews persist, as Israel issues new administrative detention orders. Iranian officials insist their nuclear programme remains peaceful, while also warning that the country could increase uranium enrichment or reduce cooperation with the IAEA. As regional conflict deepens, Pope Leo XIV has called on the global community to prioritise peace, warning against an “irreparable” war.

Source: Al Jazeera
 
Not sure why India and US posters are interfering here. I am talking with my fellow countryman @Rana

He used to blame Boris, Sunak and Prity Patel and conservative govt.

But now sir Kier Starmer, the much loved Labour leader is saying the same i.e Iran cant have nuclear weapon
 
CricLegend said:
Oh no.. I’m due to fly to Dubai next week..what are the chances things might kick off in UAE?
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There's a high chance UAE will be targeted

UAE has bases and those bases are used to carry out attacks

Iran did say they'll attack every USA army base in the middle east
 
Rajdeep said:
Not sure why India and US posters are interfering here. I am talking with my fellow countryman @Rana

He used to blame Boris, Sunak and Prity Patel and conservative govt.

But now sir Kier Starmer, the much loved Labour leader is saying the same i.e Iran cant have nuclear weapon
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Everyone’s allowed an opinion

At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter. Iran will have a nuclear bomb. They clearly need it.
 
Nuclear weapons anywhere are a threat to humanity.

However, now they exist, it is not right that some countries can conspire to stop others from acquiring them. It is inevitable that countries will want to enable their survival and try to develop these tools for themselves.
 
Atleast Yesteday they were not about to close the strait for everyone but few countries.
 
rpant_gabba said:
Obama had to deal with Bush's wars.

didn't you claims Trump is different? so he is starting a war just like every other republican, decided illegal immigrants are ok
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Bush was the biggest war monger and criminal idiot. But obama had 8 years to fix it. 8 yrs ? Why didnt he end the wars ? Instead he increased the troops and intensified the conflict. And got a Nobel "peace" prize for that ? What a joke.

And regarding Trump, dont think he wants a protracted war in Iran and there will be no troops on the ground. But the Iranian uranium enrichment program had to be handled and they were unresponsive, heres more info on that :

Source : CNN

Rubio calls for direct negotiations between US and Iran​

From CNN's Jennifer Hansler
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio attends a ceremony at the State Department on Wednesday in Washington, DC.


US Secretary of State Marco Rubio attends a ceremony at the State Department on Wednesday in Washington, DC.
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US Secretary of State Marco Rubio called for direct negotiations between the United States and Iran in the wake of Saturday’s military strikes and said America is “prepared to talk to them tomorrow.”


The top US diplomat reiterated that Iran could have a civil nuclear program but no uranium enrichment.


“The Iranian regime should wake up and say, ‘OK, if we really want nuclear energy in our country, there’s a way to do it.’ That offer is still there. We’re prepared to talk to them tomorrow and start working on that,” Rubio said on Fox News.

“Steve Witkoff has traveled extensively around the world trying to reach that deal with them, but they play too many games. They play way too many games. And now they found out,” Rubio said.


Rubio argued that Iran “tried to play” in negotiations, so “the president had to take action as a response.”


He said Iran rejected the US proposal, “wouldn’t respond” to American offers and “disappeared for 10 days” ahead of the military operation.


Although Iran “consistently” messages interlocutors, Rubio said, “they don’t even talk to us directly.”


“They want to pass messages and notes like we’re in third grade. We’re not doing that anymore,” Rubio said Sunday. “Direct negotiations. Let’s talk about how we peacefully resolve this problem. The Europeans have pressured them on that point, and we encourage them to continue to do so, and are grateful that they’ve been doing that so far.”

Rubio said Iran has “a very simple decision” to make.


“If what they want is nuclear reactors so they can have electricity, there are so many in the so many other countries in the world that do that, and they don’t have to enrich their own uranium, they can do that,” he said. Iran has rejected the idea of not being able to enrich uranium.


Source : CNN

US “not interested in protracted conflicts in the Middle East,” Vance says​

From CNN's Alejandra Jaramillo
Vice President JD Vance speaks to the press following a tour of the multiagency Federal Joint Operations Center at the Wilshire Federal Building on June 20 in Los Angeles, California.


Vice President JD Vance speaks to the press following a tour of the multiagency Federal Joint Operations Center at the Wilshire Federal Building on June 20 in Los Angeles, California.
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Vice President JD Vance sought to calm concerns among those who fear the US is drifting toward another extended conflict in the Middle East following US strikes on Iranian nuclear sites.


“I think the president has been very clear that we are not interested in protracted conflicts in the Middle East,” Vance told ABC News’ “This Week” in an interview that aired on Sunday.


“But there’s a question about, how do you achieve peace? And we believe the way that you achieve peace is through strength,” Vance added, addressing a question about Trump supporters who are uneasy with the intervention.


The vice president said that the administration’s actions were focused and strategic and are not the beginning of a broader military engagement, noting that the goal remains long-term peace in the region, not escalation.


“We took a very narrow and limited approach to destroying the Iranian nuclear program,” he said, adding “I think that more than anything, is going to ensure peaceful resolution in that region of the world. You can’t be weak. You can’t sit there and allow the Iranians to achieve a nuclear weapon.”


Vance went on to counter MAGA supporters who have voiced concerns that military involvement in the Middle East contradicts the president’s non-interventionist promises he made during his 2024 campaign and during his first term as well.


“The president, more than anybody, is worried about protracted military conflicts. That is not what we’re getting ourselves involved in,” Vance said.


“What we’re getting ourselves involved in is a very targeted effort to eliminate the Iranian nuclear program that will continue to be the goal of American foreign policy, and it’s that goal, that is going to motivate our action in the weeks and months to come.”
 
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