US blacklists Kashmir's Hizbul Mujahideen as 'terrorist' group

[MenInG]

The United States added the Kashmiri separatist group Hizbul Mujahideen to its blacklist of terrorist organisations on Wednesday, amidst renewed protests against Indian oppression in the region.

US authorities had already designated the group's leader, Syed Salahuddin, a “global terrorist”, but he is still able to operate in Kashmir, where his group has strong support.

The State Department designation bans US citizens and residents from dealing with the group and any assets found to belong to the Hizbul Mujahideen in areas under US jurisdiction will be frozen.

“Today's action notifies the US public and the international community that Hizbul Mujahideen is a terrorist organisation,” the department said.

“Terrorism designations expose and isolate organisations and individuals, and deny them access to the US financial system. Moreover, designations can assist the law enforcement activities of US agencies and other governments.”

The US designation comes in the week that both India and Pakistan mark 70 years of independence from the British Empire — and the start of a bitter rivalry and decades of conflict over the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir.

Since 1989, rebel groups have fought in Indian Kashmir, demanding independence or a merger of the territory with Pakistan, and tens of thousands — mostly civilians — have been killed.

On Sunday, two Indian soldiers and three civilians were killed in a gun battle after counter-insurgency forces surrounded suspected separatists in a village just south of the city of Srinagar.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1351930/us-blacklists-kashmirs-hizbul-mujahideen-as-terrorist-group

 

[KingKhanWC]

They are entitled to their opinion, an opinion only their allies take seriously. The worlds biggest terrorist state cannot pretend to also be the worlds policeman.

 

[PakLFC]

Who cares? Makes no difference at all. They placed a bounty on Hafiz's head that lead to nothing as well. America, always picking a fight with someone wanting to bully them is in no position to tell the world who the terrorists are.

 

[IMMY69]

What about the KKK and the neo nazi groups of the USA?

 

[cricketjoshila]

US and soon NATO allies will follow suit.The noose is tightening around terrorists and their supporters and financiers. Anyone in US having any dealings or supporting these terrorists now face the law.

 

[troodon]

They will operate under a different name. Easy for them.

 

[rahulrulezz]

When the same guys gonna do another Peshawar attacks or Srilankan team attack, then only the awaam would go against them. But by then, it will be too late as so many innocents will loose their life or country will bre deprived from more sports other than just cricket

 

[PakLFC]

As I say nothing is gonna happen. With the situation in Afghanistan the American's can't upset Pak to much. The real terrorists are the Indian army killing and blinding people in IoK.

 

[KingKhanWC]

US and soon NATO allies will follow suit.The noose is tightening around terrorists and their supporters and financiers. Anyone in US having any dealings or supporting these terrorists now face the law.

Why cant India themselves deal with their perceived problem? India is a much bigger nation, bigger army, more weapons, more money yet it needs the US and Nato to help them?

I'd be embarrassed if I was Indian.

 

[troodon]

Why cant India themselves deal with their perceived problem? India is a much bigger nation, bigger army, more weapons, more money yet it needs the US and Nato to help them?

I'd be embarrassed if I was Indian.

We cannot do anything unilaterally in Kashmir. Heck, we cannot even allow Indians to settle in Kashmir without people crying about how the genocide has reached epic proportions . So forget about these terrorist groups located in Pak.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We cannot do anything unilaterally in Kashmir. Heck, we cannot even allow Indians to settle in Kashmir without people crying about how the genocide has reached epic proportions . So forget about these terrorist groups located in Pak.

Because you are weak? Need Uncle Sam to come and babysit?

 

[troodon]

Because you are weak? Need Uncle Sam to come and babysit?

Not because we are weak. We can easily attack and destroy these militants. Its about the number of civilian deaths and the possible anarchy that I am sure Indian Govt is worried about. Also the possible use of the innocent deaths as fuel to recruit more civilians into their groups.

This is the same case with Americans unable to destroy Afghan Taliban. You cannot go on a killing spree like how it was done during medieval period. Kingdoms, tribes used to kill almost all male members of their rivals to completely subjugate rivals. If America did not care about the common innocent Afghans, they would easily defeat Taliban. But militants hide among common civilians.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not because we are weak. We can easily attack and destroy these militants. Its about the number of civilian deaths and the possible anarchy that I am sure Indian Govt is worried about. Also the possible use of the innocent deaths as fuel to recruit more civilians into their groups.

This is the same case with Americans unable to destroy Afghan Taliban. You cannot go on a killing spree like how it was done during medieval period. Kingdoms, tribes used to kill almost all male members of their rivals to completely subjugate rivals. If America did not care about the common innocent Afghans, they would easily defeat Taliban. But militants hide among common civilians.

India has killed thousands of innocent people in Kashmir and the Americans with 40 nations tried their best to defeat the Taliban but cannot defeat an enemy who is backed by the local population.

India is weak, it always runs to Uncle Sam. You keep up conjuring pathetic excuses pretending India cares about human rights.

 

[Hail-Akram]

Because you are weak? Need Uncle Sam to come and babysit?

haha ... dear kid, Uncle Sam listens only to mighty and bullies the weaklings (heard about drone attacks by US?)

If someone killed my fellow citizens through official use of drones, I would feel really really embarrassed.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why cant India themselves deal with their perceived problem? India is a much bigger nation, bigger army, more weapons, more money yet it needs the US and Nato to help them?

I'd be embarrassed if I was Indian.

If only people will understand how geopolitics work.

 

[troodon]

India has killed thousands of innocent people in Kashmir and the Americans with 40 nations tried their best to defeat the Taliban but cannot defeat an enemy who is backed by the local population.

India is weak, it always runs to Uncle Sam. You keep up conjuring pathetic excuses pretending India cares about human rights.

I love how you always say that India killed thousands of Kashmiris. You make it sound like its a genocide and Kashmiri Muslim population is dwindling drastically.

If India is weak as you are saying, how come Pak not able to grab Kashmir from us? How come China is not able to grab Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh from us? What is stopping your brave and strong Pak army from destroying the weaklings?

The innocent people that got killed are Kashmiri Hindus. They never raised their arm to kill anyone. Yet they got driven away from homes with thousands murdered mercilessly.

Indian army is using weapons on Terrorists who are on streets trying to create anarchy.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I love how you always say that India killed thousands of Kashmiris. You make it sound like its a genocide and Kashmiri Muslim population is dwindling drastically.

If India is weak as you are saying, how come Pak not able to grab Kashmir from us? How come China is not able to grab Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh from us? What is stopping your brave and strong Pak army from destroying the weaklings?

The innocent people that got killed are Kashmiri Hindus. They never raised their arm to kill anyone. Yet they got driven away from homes with thousands murdered mercilessly.

Indian army is using weapons on Terrorists who are on streets trying to create anarchy.

It is a genocide over decades if only you Indians would come out of denial.

Pakistan is much smaller with a smaller army. If it was double the size of India in miltary terms it would have captured Dehli by now.

Why cant India go and target Hafiz Saeed? He wonders freely in Pakistan. OBL was killed by Americans but Indians are weak and need America to hold their hands.

Keep on begging the Americans to declare every other group terrorists , all you are capable of.

 

[KingKhanWC]

haha ... dear kid, Uncle Sam listens only to mighty and bullies the weaklings (heard about drone attacks by US?)

If someone killed my fellow citizens through official use of drones, I would feel really really embarrassed.

They are carried out with Pakistans approval. Check wikileaks.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They are carried out with Pakistans approval. Check wikileaks.

So Pakistanis in Pakistan are killed by US with Pakistans approval?

 

[Hail-Akram]

So Pakistanis in Pakistan are killed by US with Pakistans approval?

Now THAT is what I call "embarrassing" !! :-D :-D

 

[PakLFC]

Now THAT is what I call "embarrassing" !! :-D :-D

Approval of various Pak governments not people. Kayani was another American stooge as well, Raheel and Qamar are nothing like him which is why almost all drone attacks have stopped. India does often cry to the American's to do something about Pak, no doubt about it. Now Pak is playing the same game by getting involved in the Indo-China stand off. If India is sitting in Pak's backyard Afghanistan then Pak has every right to get involved in the China-India-Bhutan stand off as well.

 

[ExpressPacer]

India has killed thousands of innocent people in Kashmir and the Americans with 40 nations tried their best to defeat the Taliban but cannot defeat an enemy who is backed by the local population.

India is weak, it always runs to Uncle Sam. You keep up conjuring pathetic excuses pretending India cares about human rights.

You're not advocating for the Taliban here are you? Also, you're wrong about the Taliban having local support. This really shows that despite being a British-Pakistani, the Western media hasn't failed to inculcate your mind. The Taliban have ZERO support from the population of Afghanistan.

 

[www787]

So Pakistanis in Pakistan are killed by US with Pakistans approval?

Just like Indians in Kashmir ( according to Indian, Kashmiris are Indian) killed by Indian army. i guess it is a sub-continent thing.

 

[www787]

They will operate under a different name. Easy for them.

It is an hollow victory for the naive patriotic and keyboard warriors.

Things in Kashmir won't change until the hate for Muslims by Radical Hindus in Indian government and India is changed.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It is an hollow victory for the naive patriotic and keyboard warriors.

Things in Kashmir won't change until the hate for Muslims by Radical Hindus in Indian government and India is changed.

We know which community was systematically cleaned from Kashmir.There is a reason why most of the world considers these people as terrorists and pakistani narrative of freedom fighters doesnt wash.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You're not advocating for the Taliban here are you? Also, you're wrong about the Taliban having local support. This really shows that despite being a British-Pakistani, the Western media hasn't failed to inculcate your mind. The Taliban have ZERO support from the population of Afghanistan.

No I wasn't.

Taliban is made up of over 100 groups and backed by local warlords. You cannot control over 50% of the country if you have no support. You are clueless.

 

[ExpressPacer]

No I wasn't.

Taliban is made up of over 100 groups and backed by local warlords. You cannot control over 50% of the country if you have no support. You are clueless.

Of course. I'm the clueless one.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Of course. I'm the clueless one.

Finally we agree

Now do you have anything to say on the topic? Can you explain why India needs American support to declare a group as terrorists? Just out of interest.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Finally we agree

Now do you have anything to say on the topic? Can you explain why India needs American support to declare a group as terrorists? Just out of interest.

I don't care about what or who the USA declares as terrorists. They have nothing better to do than put their nose in others business. What concerns me is the notion that the public of Afghanistan supposedly supports the Taliban.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don't care about what or who the USA declares as terrorists. They have nothing better to do than put their nose in others business. What concerns me is the notion that the public of Afghanistan supposedly supports the Taliban.

There is a long thread about the invasion of Afghanistan. You will find detailed posts from myself and others which explain this. Let's not derail this thread but briefly, Afghanistan is a tribal land which has been constantly invaded for the last 100 years, the locals will support their own over foreign invaders regardless of how bad their local rulers are.

 

[ExpressPacer]

There is a long thread about the invasion of Afghanistan. You will find detailed posts from myself and others which explain this. Let's not derail this thread but briefly, Afghanistan is a tribal land which has been constantly invaded for the last 100 years, the locals will support their own over foreign invaders regardless of how bad their local rulers are.

Okay bud. We'll talk about it on some other thread then.

As far as the crux of this thread is concerned, like I said, the USA have nothing better to do than to put their nose in others business. I think its there way of staying "Global" and "Universal". How this will affect the world's opinion on Kashmir isn't really of substance either. The world was never bothered with Kashmir all this time anyway.

 

[www787]

We know which community was systematically cleaned from Kashmir.There is a reason why most of the world considers these people as terrorists and pakistani narrative of freedom fighters doesnt wash.

Currently the only community in Kashmir is systemically being cleaned and oppressed is not the Hindu in Kashmir.

And the reason western world is putting the label on a particular organization is not because they care about India, Kashmiri or Indian soldiers, they only care about the $$, so, don't be quick to jump on your self created moral pedestal, because in Kashmir India has no moral legs to climb on to a pedestal, probably not even in the rest of the India if one has kept with the Indian news.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Currently the only community in Kashmir is systemically being cleaned and oppressed is not the Hindu in Kashmir.

And the reason western world is putting the label on a particular organization is not because they care about India, Kashmiri or Indian soldiers, they only care about the $$, so, don't be quick to jump on your self created moral pedestal, because in Kashmir India has no moral legs to climb on to a pedestal, probably not even in the rest of the India if one has kept with the Indian news.

The terrorists in Kashmir killed and threw out the Pandits and these terrorists will be dealt with as terrorists should be dealt with.

As i said,the Pakistani narrative on Kashmir doesnt wash anymore.So it hardly matters what they think about whose moral standing on Kashmir.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They are entitled to their opinion, an opinion only their allies take seriously. The worlds biggest terrorist state cannot pretend to also be the worlds policeman.

Hizbul Mujhadeen is a sanctioned terror organisation in India/US/EU . May be you should look up your country's law regarding terror organisations,since UK is still a part of EU.

 

[www787]

The terrorists in Kashmir killed and threw out the Pandits and these terrorists will be dealt with as terrorists should be dealt with.

As i said,the Pakistani narrative on Kashmir doesnt wash anymore.So it hardly matters what they think about whose moral standing on Kashmir.

Kashmiri and Pakistani narrative never matter to anyone other than Pakistani and Kashmiri, so neither Pakistani citizens nor Kashmiri have any hope from the rest of the world.

Like I said, anyone with little bit conscious would see who is terrorizing who in Kashmir. Who is the rapist but if you have $$ then you can get away with it, and I guess jingoistic like yourself in India seem to be okay with it.

 

[www787]

The terrorists in Kashmir killed and threw out the Pandits and these terrorists will be dealt with as terrorists should be dealt with.

As i said,the Pakistani narrative on Kashmir doesnt wash anymore.So it hardly matters what they think about whose moral standing on Kashmir.

Rape committed and terrorist act while wearing uniform doesn't absolve an Indian army.

Pundits are history, they won't be coming back, hasn't happened in last 71 years but yet Kashmiri are still fighting oppressor.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Rape committed and terrorist act while wearing uniform doesn't absolve an Indian army.

Pundits are history, they won't be coming back, hasn't happened in last 71 years but yet Kashmiri are still fighting oppressor.

Pandits left in 1990.How is it 71 years?Do you even know about Kashmir?

Terrorists can all wish that pandits wont come back.They will and it will be the terrorists who will be history.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kashmiri and Pakistani narrative never matter to anyone other than Pakistani and Kashmiri, so neither Pakistani citizens nor Kashmiri have any hope from the rest of the world.

Like I said, anyone with little bit conscious would see who is terrorizing who in Kashmir. Who is the rapist but if you have $$ then you can get away with it, and I guess jingoistic like yourself in India seem to be okay with it.

And Pakistani citizens can do Zilch in J and K.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Hizbul Mujhadeen is a sanctioned terror organisation in India/US/EU . May be you should look up your country's law regarding terror organisations,since UK is still a part of EU.

They are entitled to their opinion and thats all it is. The UK isn't India where you have to agree with every policy.

But what I find interesting is why India needs others to back them against a small groups or Pakistan?

 

[www787]

And Pakistani citizens can do Zilch in J and K.

"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, No matter who does it or say it. - MX

India is wrong in supporting it soldier in killing of innocent Kashmir and raping of Kashmiri female. No matter what organization and history you use to deflect or defend to support occupying terrorist and rapist forces in Kashmir.

 

[Hornbill]

AJK protesters rally to condemn blacklisting of Hizbul Mujahideen by US

A rally to condemn the United States' recent decision to blacklist Hizbul Mujahideen as a 'terrorist organisation' was held in Muzaffarabad, Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK), on Thursday.

The US decision came weeks after Hizbul Mujahideen commander Syed Salahuddin was designated a global terrorist.

“Hizbul Mujahideen is a not a terrorist organisation but stands for the sentiments and aspirations of Kashmiris and is the centre of their hopes,” read a banner carried by protesters.

The demonstrators chanted anti-India and pro-freedom slogans while condemning the US decision as they walked from Burhan Wani Chowk to Garhipan Chowk.
AJK protesters rally to condemn blacklisting of Hizbul Mujahideen by US
Tariq NaqashAugust 17, 2017
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Protest in Muzaffarabad condemned US decision to designate Hizbul Mujahideen as a terrorist organisation. —Photo by author
A rally to condemn the United States' recent decision to blacklist Hizbul Mujahideen as a 'terrorist organisation' was held in Muzaffarabad, Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK), on Thursday.

The US decision came weeks after Hizbul Mujahideen commander Syed Salahuddin was designated a global terrorist.

“Hizbul Mujahideen is a not a terrorist organisation but stands for the sentiments and aspirations of Kashmiris and is the centre of their hopes,” read a banner carried by protesters.

The demonstrators chanted anti-India and pro-freedom slogans while condemning the US decision as they walked from Burhan Wani Chowk to Garhipan Chowk.

ARTICLE CONTINUES AFTER AD
“You can withhold our properties and [bank] accounts if there are any [in the US], but you cannot force us to give up our legitimate struggle for freedom,” Shaikh Jamilur Rehman, secretary general of United Jihad Council (UJC), said.

“We will carry on our struggle, which is in accordance with the UN Charter, until the eviction of the last Indian soldier from our motherland,” he vowed.

The UJC is an amalgam of over a dozen groups fighting India’s occupation of Kashmir. Salahuddin serves as its chairman.

Rehman rubbished what he called "propaganda against Kashmiri separatist groups" as “an attempt to please the Narendra Modi-led Indian government.”

"Hizbul Mujahideen is an indigenous organisation, engaged in a legitimate struggle for the right to self determination enshrined in UN Security Council resolutions," he said. “It cannot be dubbed as a terrorist organisation by any stretch of the imagination.”

"The days of America acting as the 'Big Brother' are numbered as another superpower, which supports the Kashmir cause, is on the rise," Rehman said, referring to China.

Uzair Ahmed Ghazali, an organiser of the protest, regretted what he called the US turning a blind eye towards state-sponsored terrorism in held Kashmir.

"The US is also silent on terrorism unleashed by fanatic Hindus and so-called cow vigilantes on Indian Muslims," he added.

“If anyone has to be designated as a 'terrorist' in today’s world, it is Indian premier Narendra Modi and Israeli premier Benjamin Netanyahu; but both are advancing their ghastly agendas under American patronage,” he said.

Ghulamullah Azad, a leader of the proscribed Jamaatud Dawa, termed the US decision “ridiculous” and said it would make no difference to the armed struggle in held Kashmir.

“First, they clamped a similar decision on Hafiz Muhammad Saeed; then, the did the same for Syed Salahuddin. However, the struggle in held Kashmir has not suffered a dent due to the exemplary determination of Kashmiri people … The latest decision will also meet the same fate,” he said.
Earlier, the Foreign Office (FO) had termed the decision to designate Hizbul Mujahideen as "saddening".

Addressing a weekly media briefing, FO spokesperson Nafees Zakaria had said that Kashmiris' struggle for their right to self-determination has been rightfully continuing for the past 70 years.

He had also noted that Indian occupation forces had used excessive force against people in held Kashmir and they are "continuing to do so".

https://www.dawn.com/news/1352145/a...ndemn-blacklisting-of-hizbul-mujahideen-by-us

I'm not against implementation of UN resolution in kashmir, it can be only implemented through peaceful means as long as these terrorist organisations are active they will ensure that it won't happen. Younger generation of AJK seems to be not interested in these kind of stuff not sure all those in image belongs to there.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They are entitled to their opinion and thats all it is. The UK isn't India where you have to agree with every policy.

But what I find interesting is why India needs others to back them against a small groups or Pakistan?

It is not opinion it is the law.You can disagree with policy but not break the law.As i said you can check the relevant laws in UK.

As i said you have no idea of geo politics.

 

[cricketjoshila]

"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, No matter who does it or say it. - MX

India is wrong in supporting it soldier in killing of innocent Kashmir and raping of Kashmiri female. No matter what organization and history you use to deflect or defend to support occupying terrorist and rapist forces in Kashmir.

I dont need to deflect or defend.

If anyone is involved in any human rights abuse they are being punished.

Pakistani narrative of occupying forces in kashmir doesnt wash with anyone.

 

[Romali_rotti]

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[KingKhanWC]

It is not opinion it is the law.You can disagree with policy but not break the law.As i said you can check the relevant laws in UK.

As i said you have no idea of geo politics.

Post this law for a UK citizen please.

No I dont but you do because you think India is a superpower lol.

 

[waqar goraya]

This trump administration has no vision and no policy. Just another joke from this new administration. US is proving day by day that it is fast loosing is reliability. From climate change to Iran and from North Korea's bluff to this blacklisting Trump country is behaving like a joke.

 

[Hail-Akram]

I am not sure if US blacklist makes any difference ... though some Pakistani folks are surely frustrated

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am not sure if US blacklist makes any difference ... though some Pakistani folks are surely frustrated

Their foreign office is frustrated.How will the next PM stand in UNGA in NYC and eulogise Burhan wani?

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Their foreign office is frustrated.How will the next PM stand in UNGA in NYC and eulogise Burhan wani?

Why would that be? Watch and read the latest statements from Mirwaiz about the ground realities in IoK. Pak govt has enough such material to work with.
For the moment the world is not interested in Kashmir issue, that doesn't mean it will stay like this forever. That is the only reason Indian govt / forces can get away with committing such atrocities.
[MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] what exactly is the purpose of posting a video of a clearly stage managed event? Indian journo asks the question and the bimbo spokeswoman has a typed script to read the reply from. Nice!!

 

[moghul]

What about the KKK and the neo nazi groups of the USA?

KKK and neo nazis are not Muslims, you have to carry a Muslim name to be labeled as terrorist , as per USA and Western countries definition.