Usman Khawaja

[OZGOD]

Like Marsh was given the special treatment of being sent at 3 without a previous test 50?

You're changing your goal posts for different guys.


Let me spell it out again: One guy scores a 100 in the warmup match as an OPENER and is subsequently sent at number 6 in the next test.

The other guy bats at 6 in the warmup and is sent at number 3 in his DEBUT.

And then I'm the one wanting special treatment for Khawaja?

If anything, the treatment he's receiving is unfair. One way or another, he should've been batting up high instead of one of Hughes or Marsh. Your arguments are contradictory for both of these guys.

Would your viewpoint change if Khawaja's surname was Keyes and his origins from Ireland instead of Pakistan?

Khawaja's a decent player and has a good FC record but the reality is he hasn't taken his opportunities as well as he could have. He's had three Tests, five innings so far, to really make an impression on the selectors and so far he's scored 37, 21, 21, 26 and 13*. On the other hand Marsh, who I didn't really rate before this, scores 141 on debut batting at first drop with wickets tumbling around him and with Hussey guides Australia out of strife. It's not even just his ton, it's the composure he showed batting in a tough situation which impressed me.

It's not that Uzzie has done anything wrong, he's been ok, it's just that some other bloke has come in and played a blinder to help guide OZ to a dominant position after being in a tight spot.

Whether he or Khawaja batted at 3 or 6 is irrelevant, what is relevant are results. Whatever opportunities you are given, you have to make the most of it. You can't go to the selectors saying "oh but if I opened or batted at first down or xxx or yyy I would have done better". You have to be prepared to make the most of your opportunity knowing that there is competition for spots. When Hussey came into the team he mainly batted at No.7 after scoring a ton as an opener in I think his second or 3rd Test. He had to make the most of his opportunities batting behind Gilly and behind a powerful batting lineup with the likes of Langer, Haydunce, Ponting et all all ahead of him but he was able to. You have to make the most of your opportunity because it may not come around again because some bloke came in and did better.

Sometimes I feel we give Uzzie more leeway because of the fact that he is of Pakistani origin. Nothing wrong with that, but selectors (especially since they will now be held accountable for their performances) don't/shouldn't have that luxury. The Poms don't give KP, Strauss, Trott et al more leeway because they're Saffas, or Morgan because he's a Paddy. They're all treated as Englishmen. End of day Khawaja and Marsh are both Ozzies.

Now assuming Uzzie was dropped, is it the end of the world? No. But I reckon even he would be honest enough to know that he probably hasn't taken as much advantage of his (greater) opportunities in Test cricket as Marsh has in his first dig. Now of course Marsh has to go on with it. He could be out for a duck in the 2nd innings, that might change things somewhat if Uzzie can get a half ton or so and bat with composure, weather permitting.

As for Hughes, he's a specialist opener with a better FC record than either of these two players, and he has back to back tons in SA. You're not going to bat him at No6 to accommodate either of these two. But I'd say he also needs to take his opportunities. I don't want any of these players to think their spots are secure. They need to MAKE them secure via their performances.

 

[Random Aussie]

What OG said 100%

 

[PakPosheeda]

Would your viewpoint change if Khawaja's surname was Keyes and his origins from Ireland instead of Pakistan

If that was the case, this thread wouldn't even have existed.

I dont really care about Australia that much to give my viewpoints. Its PakPassion. Thats why he's being discussed this much.

My question to RA is, would his viewpoint change if it wasn't Khawaja in question?

RA's excuse for not letting Khawaja bat up in the order after the warmup century is that Hughes has more experience/runs under his belt.

But RA's philosophy takes a round about when I point to Marsh debuting at 3, instead of moving Khawaja up in the order.

You guys are obviously biased and then you have the nerve to question my bias. At least I'll admit that I, and my others, couldn't give a rats back if he wasn't a Pakistani originally.

 

[Random Aussie]

Seriously how dare you imply we are biased against Usman because of where he was born.

Absolutely pathetic post. Where he was born has nothing to do with anything and the answers would be exactly the same if it was a different player in the same position.

The reason they left him at six is because they want to give him a decent run in one spot instead of moving him around. Marsh is expected to be dropped when Ponting returns although the hundred may change that. Usman is expected to replace Ponting at 3 long term so long as he can make runs at Test level.

Now will not bother responding to any more of your posts on the matter if you ate just going to post illogical and offensive statements.

 

[saj786]

Would your viewpoint change if Khawaja's surname was Keyes and his origins from Ireland instead of Pakistan?

Khawaja's a decent player and has a good FC record but the reality is he hasn't taken his opportunities as well as he could have. He's had three Tests, five innings so far, to really make an impression on the selectors and so far he's scored 37, 21, 21, 26 and 13*. On the other hand Marsh, who I didn't really rate before this, scores 141 on debut batting at first drop with wickets tumbling around him and with Hussey guides Australia out of strife. It's not even just his ton, it's the composure he showed batting in a tough situation which impressed me.

It's not that Uzzie has done anything wrong, he's been ok, it's just that some other bloke has come in and played a blinder to help guide OZ to a dominant position after being in a tight spot.

Whether he or Khawaja batted at 3 or 6 is irrelevant, what is relevant are results. Whatever opportunities you are given, you have to make the most of it. You can't go to the selectors saying "oh but if I opened or batted at first down or xxx or yyy I would have done better". You have to be prepared to make the most of your opportunity knowing that there is competition for spots. When Hussey came into the team he mainly batted at No.7 after scoring a ton as an opener in I think his second or 3rd Test. He had to make the most of his opportunities batting behind Gilly and behind a powerful batting lineup with the likes of Langer, Haydunce, Ponting et all all ahead of him but he was able to. You have to make the most of your opportunity because it may not come around again because some bloke came in and did better.

Sometimes I feel we give Uzzie more leeway because of the fact that he is of Pakistani origin. Nothing wrong with that, but selectors (especially since they will now be held accountable for their performances) don't/shouldn't have that luxury. The Poms don't give KP, Strauss, Trott et al more leeway because they're Saffas, or Morgan because he's a Paddy. They're all treated as Englishmen. End of day Khawaja and Marsh are both Ozzies.

Now assuming Uzzie was dropped, is it the end of the world? No. But I reckon even he would be honest enough to know that he probably hasn't taken as much advantage of his (greater) opportunities in Test cricket as Marsh has in his first dig. Now of course Marsh has to go on with it. He could be out for a duck in the 2nd innings, that might change things somewhat if Uzzie can get a half ton or so and bat with composure, weather permitting.

As for Hughes, he's a specialist opener with a better FC record than either of these two players, and he has back to back tons in SA. You're not going to bat him at No6 to accommodate either of these two. But I'd say he also needs to take his opportunities. I don't want any of these players to think their spots are secure. They need to MAKE them secure via their performances.

asfor hughes, apart from them 2 tons in s.africa hes really not had decent scores, for me its not usman marsh should replace, but hughes hes had enough chances

 

[Poison]

Ideally now that the series is won Ponting can stay in Australia and Marsh and Khawaja can both get a go in the last Test.

 

[srh]

I am actually surprised that Australia selected Khawaja before Marsh in previous test. Marsh >>> Khawaja.

 

[*sallu*]

Marsh is an outstanding talent, I've always rated him, haven't seen enough of Khawaja to say the same

 

[PakPosheeda]

Seriously how dare you imply we are biased against Usman because of where he was born.

Maybe the same way OZ implied that I'm biased towards Usman because of where he was born, and you agreed 100% ? You have memory of second. I should've known that when your justifications for Hughes and Marsh batting up the order were completely contradictory and illogical.

Marsh is an outstanding talent, I've always rated him, haven't seen enough of Khawaja to say the same

I've always believed he is an extraordinary talent. Marsh >>>>> Khawaja indeed. But just so you know, that wasn't my argument.

 

[Random Aussie]

Maybe the same way OZ implied that I'm biased towards Usman because of where he was born, and you agreed 100% ? You have memory of second. I should've known that when your justifications for Hughes and Marsh batting up the order were completely contradictory and illogical.


I've always believed he is an extraordinary talent. Marsh >>>>> Khawaja indeed. But just so you know, that wasn't my argument.

I dont care what your argument is or was anymore. See ya.

 

[AZulfi]

He is average at best!

With Shaun Marsh doing so well on debut, Usman will struggle to make Australia's first XI once Ponting comes back into the side

 

[PakPosheeda]

I dont care what your argument is or was anymore. See ya.

Feeling's mutual. Nobody's posting here for your entertainment anyway.

With Shaun Marsh doing so well on debut, Usman will struggle to make Australia's first XI once Ponting comes back into the side

That was the plan all along, it seems.

Marsh is way more talented than Khawaja. But he was sent at 3 on debut while Usman at 6 after scoring a century as an OPENER in the warm up match.

Coincidentally Farhat also did well today against Zimbos when someone else should've been opening in his place. Looks like Farhat isn't the only with with an "Ilyas" to help him out.

 

[Random Aussie]

Feeling's mutual. Nobody's posting here for your entertainment anyway.

That was the plan all along, it seems.

Marsh is way more talented than Khawaja. But he was sent at 3 on debut while Usman at 6 after scoring a century as an OPENER in the warm up match.

Coincidentally Farhat also did well today against Zimbos when someone else should've been opening in his place. Looks like Farhat isn't the only with with an "Ilyas" to help him out.

I actually think you believe the dribble that you post. That there is a conspiracy against Usman. And we don't want him to do well.

Back to the thread, what should happen is Marsh gets dropped. Those sort of hard decisions we used to make regularly, but seeing as nobody is really sure who is in charge, not sure that decision - which is the right one - will be made.

 

[PakPosheeda]

I actually think you believe the dribble that you post.

I think you still cant see how your arguments are plain silly in this thread. Keep up the ignorance. Or read posts number 310 and 317 slowly until they sink in, instead of blabbering on.

 

[in_cutter]

Khawaja is best played either opening or one down.

The guy scores a century in the warm up match as an opener, but Hughes gets the nod ahead of him, and Khawaja is sent down the order at 6 to bat with the tail(where Hussey would've been

..who cares and why is it bothering some ppl? Let the Aussies deal with it.

An average player at best.

 

[Random Aussie]

I think you still cant see how your arguments are plain silly in this thread. Keep up the ignorance. Or read posts number 310 and 317 slowly until they sink in, instead of blabbering on.

I answered your query in post #324. Perhaps you should work on your reading.

 

[James]

Maybe the same way OZ implied that I'm biased towards Usman because of where he was born

I don't know about you personally, but there has often been a 'let's support the Khawaja lad because he was born in Pakistan and pretend he's better than he really is' vibe coming from a number of users on this forum. Nothing wrong with that - this is PakPassion and people are entitled to their views. Just thought I would dip in and point out that the vibe has been there in the past, which is why it has been cited above.

 

[frenchcut]

I actually think you believe the dribble that you post. That there is a conspiracy against Usman. And we don't want him to do well.

Back to the thread, what should happen is Marsh gets dropped. Those sort of hard decisions we used to make regularly, but seeing as nobody is really sure who is in charge, not sure that decision - which is the right one - will be made.

Drop MARSH after a overseas 100 on debut? Wha????

 

[Bhaijaan]

Raina > Khawaja

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Khawaja given enough opportunities, Marsh grabbed it at first go, better luck next time, he didn't look anything special to be honest.

 

[Random Aussie]

Drop MARSH after a overseas 100 on debut? Wha????

Tour selection was Khawaja was in the top 6 and Marsh was reserve.

Marsh only played because Ponting was out. Therefore when Ponting is back, Marsh goes out. Unless that one innings has changed how they rank Khawaja and Marsh in the pecking order. We will find out tomorrow.

 

[OZGOD]

Tour selection was Khawaja was in the top 6 and Marsh was reserve.

Marsh only played because Ponting was out. Therefore when Ponting is back, Marsh goes out. Unless that one innings has changed how they rank Khawaja and Marsh in the pecking order. We will find out tomorrow.

It's going to be a tough call to drop Marsh, unless it's the Symmo Doctrine - give Khawaja an extended run no matter how shyte he initially plays, in the belief that he does have class and talent and will come good once he gains more confidence.

 

[Random Aussie]

It would be a tough call but it would show we have a plan and will follow it.

Too often in the past few years we have looked like we have no idea what our best XI is or what it is going to be in 12 months.

 

[OZGOD]

Well Uzzie's been dropped for Dubya. Hope he takes it on the chin and keeps on trying to improve.

Also Siddle in for Rhino.

The return of Ricky Ponting has forced Usman Khawaja out of Australia's side for the third Test against Sri Lanka in Colombo, starting Friday.

Shaun Marsh was retained in favour of Khawaja after scoring a century on debut in the second Test in Kandy.

The only other change from that Test was the inclusion of Victoria paceman Peter Siddle who was called up to replace the injured Ryan Harris.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...gainst-sri-lanka/story-fn2mcu3x-1226137929335

 

[mehamgul101]

wow very nice sharing in this forum

 

[Random Aussie]

Clearly we still have the same selectors.

Both decisions are incorrect IMO but moreso Siddle instead of Pattinson.

 

[velu]

Well Uzzie's been dropped for Dubya. Hope he takes it on the chin and keeps on trying to improve.

Also Siddle in for Rhino.

This guy Harris injures himself after every couple of matches

 

[saj786]

this australian attack with siddle in is meat and drink, will be surprised if srilanka dont pile up big runs, siddle is way to inconsistent, johnson, well to inconsistent, copeland to slow for test level, pattinson would be ideal choice to replace harris

 

[saj786]

i feel for khawaja because to be successfull at test level u need a good run of at least 10 tests to have a fair crack at the whip, hughes whose been a constent failure is still opening and gets chance after chance, apart from ponting and hussey the aus batting looks very brittle indeed, as for the bowling well take harris out and it looks county standard, ideal aus attack is harris,pattinson,bollinger, lyon, and watson

 

[frenchcut]

It would be a tough call but it would show we have a plan and will follow it.

Too often in the past few years we have looked like we have no idea what our best XI is or what it is going to be in 12 months.

A plan is a plan but even the best laid plans have to get scuppered if the first choice is not scoring and the second choice hits a 100 on debut. For me it's a no brainer - right decision to retain Marsh. Khawaja will get his chance the next time someone is inured / out of form. Now he can fight for spots with hughes and marsh like any other aspiring young batsman would have to do.

Marsh may be a bit old at 29 but look at the last "old" batsman australia debuted who is currently the best bat in your side.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Ponting should stay in Australia..

But, I would go with Marsh.. He looks way more talented and performed on his test debut in a pressure situation.

Khawaja looks well but hasn't grabbed his opportunities.

 

[OZGOD]

This guy Harris injures himself after every couple of matches

Yea, he's an insurer's nightmare.

 

[Random Aussie]

A plan is a plan but even the best laid plans have to get scuppered if the first choice is not scoring and the second choice hits a 100 on debut. For me it's a no brainer - right decision to retain Marsh. Khawaja will get his chance the next time someone is inured / out of form. Now he can fight for spots with hughes and marsh like any other aspiring young batsman would have to do.

Marsh may be a bit old at 29 but look at the last "old" batsman australia debuted who is currently the best bat in your side.

I see your points - I guess you have to consider what I posted in the context of our past few years. In the past few years it has looked like we have a) no idea what our best side is and b) no idea what our side should look like in 12 months.

And also in the context of the last time Australia was down the bottom of the pile what the selectors did as identify the talent that could take us back to the top (Waugh, Boon, Healy etc) and backed them in.

Interestingly, the word is Marsh will continue to bat at 3, Ponting 4, Clarke 5, Hussey 6.

 

[COMEBACKID]

Thoughts on Usman Khawaja

Just wanted to know those who as following the ashes your thoughts on Usman Khawaja i thought he is technically sound hoping he scores big today

 

[Kianig89]

Spin is his weakness....not eye catching overall

 

[hamzie]

plenty of threads on him already

hes a family friend of ours
quiet kid

 

[Bullet Drive]

Showing some good fight. Its tough out their atm yet he is battling vs Swann on a tough pitch.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Currently 19 off 49.

Looks good when he takes on pace, lovely pull shot.

 

[COMEBACKID]

Currently 19 off 49.

Looks good when he takes on pace, lovely pull shot.

yeah he looks good against pace bowling needs to work on playing spin swann is bowling beautifully

 

[Singham]

Its interesting because most of the subcontinent genes are good at playing spin, be it, Sarwan, chanderpaul, Bopara etc. But this dude seems to be good at playing pace and struggles against spin.

 

[leatherface58]

Australian Talunted Rohit. Purdy 30 followed by a purdy pathetic shot. Will be great if kicks on though.

 

[Cricket-Pundit]

average player..

 

[KingKhanWC]

A lot of talent, classy player. He needs a long run in the team.

 

[Bullet Drive]

36 from 70.

 

[James]

Has looked a lot better here than he ever has in the past. Very impressive.

 

[Runner Up]

Right now he is battling for his own place in the team. He knows that if he doesn't perform there is no guarantee he will be in next match.

Looks solid in defence though.

 

[MILLIONAIRE]

He is good!! But really needs to kick on now. Has had plenty of chances!!

Needs to perform today!!

 

[Azzurri]

a solid player way better then warner,hughes,rogers and watson...

 

[Bullet Drive]

38 from 86.

 

[King Amla 311*]

Whenever I saw him play the amount of balls faced was very high but scores low

 

[Runner Up]

Khawaja: 43 (105)
Clarke : 42 (74)

 

[Cricketrenew]

Playing good, good luck to him, he deserves a lengthy run in the side.
Hope he kicks onto 50 then 100

 

[Runner Up]

Finally he scores 50. Well done Khawaja

 

[CalculatedRisk]

Glad for the kid. He is showing much needed guts in this spineless batting lineup.

 

[Noman]

Looking good today. but needs to work on playing spin and play long inning.. Otherwise looks class

 

[COMEBACKID]

Batting Well so far hope he converts this 50 into a 100 well done Khawaja.

 

[PakFan2010]

He's better than any Pakistan batsmen.

 

[talha3]

Looking very good today. A lot more composed than in his first stint.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Hope scores a ton
Aussies.... common fight back...

 

[HamzaSaeen]

Can he play for Pakistan?

 

[in_cutter]

Can he play for Pakistan?

...and ruin his career? He is better off in Australia.

 

[James]

On a side note, we now have 3 players 21y/o or thereabouts pushing for or playing Test cricket. Hughes, Khawaja and Smith. Hopefully the dark era of Australian cricket is over and we can get back to flogging everyone for another decade.

Random Aussie - 26/05/2010 ) ) )

 

[Romali_rotti]

Random Aussie - 26/05/2010 ) ) )

Go easy on him... now...

 

[Singham]

Its interesting because most of the subcontinent genes are good at playing spin, be it, Sarwan, chanderpaul, Bopara etc. But this dude seems to be good at playing pace and struggles against spin.

What did I say? lol. Gets out to Root.

 

[saj786]

Spin is his weakness....not eye catching overall

that was like a mindfield in them footholes around the wicket, his 50 is like hundred on a normal wicket

 

[Convict]

Did a lot better than I expected.

Still don't think he'll make it but give him an extended run.

 

[James]

Even a half-century is pretty good for the Aussies at this stage.

He should get at least the series for this.

 

[Convict]

I know nobody else thinks the same but I still have faith that a few of these younger blokes will come good.

At the moment when they're all struggling, inexperienced, fear getting dropped and playing in a hopeless side they look a lot worse than they can be.

Likewise Bairstow and Root are given the prime opportunity to suceed.

 

[Aman]

Did a lot better than I expected.

Still don't think he'll make it but give him an extended run.

And Hughes will?..

 

[MILLIONAIRE]

Usman was unlucky, after batting very well got a very good ball from Root!!

Who was watching the game? I have never seen a part time spinner turn it to gully of the pitch!!!

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Very well batted, was a good knock of fifty. Proud of Usman

 

[saj786]

I know nobody else thinks the same but I still have faith that a few of these younger blokes will come good.

At the moment when they're all struggling, inexperienced, fear getting dropped and playing in a hopeless side they look a lot worse than they can be.

Likewise Bairstow and Root are given the prime opportunity to suceed.

khawja is the best out of the younger players, by far technically the best, all he needs isto kick on, on the other hand watson and hughes and smith have major flaws

 

[soso_killer]

I like him, has the temperament for Test cricket. He just needs to convert those starts into big hundreds. Just give him time.

I said all along he is better than Watson and Hughes

 

[malakian]

Australia need to give this guy a good run. Like others have said, he has the best technique & seems willing to scrap.

 

[Kwremb]

He looks decent but needs to improve his game against the spinners

 

[ali bubba]

He looks a walking wicket against spin.

 

[PakFan2010]

He looks a walking wicket against spin.

Nonsense, He sent Swann out of the attack.

That's why Root started to bowl.

 

[HamzaSaeen]

belter of an innings, this

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[MR__KHAN__JI]

Aussies are like the current Pak players...

Averaging 30 odd but need to be persisted with whilst they iron out deficiencies.

No point starting the merry go round again.

Stats before khawajas innings for Aus batters.

 

[Random Aussie]

Random Aussie - 26/05/2010 ) ) )

Well they are all playing Test cricket