Usman Qadir and Amad Butt - why, where, when!?

[indian_sap]

Usman Qadir - the guy takes Man of the Series in previous series, operates smartly, uses variations and looks quite penetrative which Yasir clearly lacks however isn't good enough hence gets omitted from the squad...another guy (Yasir) who has been lackluster and hasn't looked penetrative at all for the last couple of years gets selected, what's going on Pakistan selection!!??

Amad Butt - Wasim Akram has been vouching for Amad Butt since last couple of years or so, those who watched him play can clearly see wicket taking penetrative abilities...he keeps on taking wickets however somehow gets ignored each time from the 16 member squad...astonishing again!!

Bring on the smarts Pakistan selection, smell the coffee!

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Remind us all against which team Usman Qadir got the MOS award?

 

[indian_sap]

against Zimbabwe recent series prior to NZ - if you have watched him play you would realize that he has come a long way, looked very penetrative and the batsmen for most part were on the edge against him...in current form better than Shadab and Yasir by some distance.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

against Zimbabwe recent series prior to NZ - if you have watched him play you would realize that he has come a long way, looked very penetrative and the batsmen for most part were on the edge against him...in current form better than Shadab and Yasir by some distance.

My Nani could probably look penetrative against Zimbabwe, should we pick her too?

What’s his numbers in domestic cricket?

For me personally, Zafar Gohar should be next in line to replace Yasir.

 

[shah_1]

I have watched Ammad Butt in the National T20, he was one of few bowlers that gets seam movement, think he will do a better job than Abbas, Faheem and Naseem.

 

[JibranAnsari]

usman qadir has 13 wickets in 11 Fc games at an average of 51 ans wcon if 4.44.

He bowled a total of 150 overs in FC cricket. We dont even know if he can bowl 15 overs a day.

 

[indian_sap]

Have you seen those games, you clearly haven't!? How long have you been watching cricket!?

There were other so called top bowlers from Pakistan in that series (Hasnain, Imad, Wahab, Fahim etc.) however none performed or looked better than him throughout the series + he looks quite smart (which the current crop clearly lacks, most r dumb) + his wrong one is much better disguised than Yasir's (forget Shadab, I don't count him as a competent leg spin bowler)

 

[hitthestump]

Lol Usman Qadir can't even dominate 3rd rate domestic batsman. Maybe there's more to him than the stats suggest but he needs to prove it in longer term FC cricket first.

Amad is a decent bowler but nothing special. He's a 4th seamer who can bat a bit. He might be able to chip in and provide balance but he isn't going to be running through international sides anytime soon.

 

[anakwalajinn]

I guess both Usman Qadir and Amad Butt will have up to five T20 games for Pakistan Shaheens the next days so that's fair enough in my opinion.

 

[indian_sap]

Lol Usman Qadir can't even dominate 3rd rate domestic batsman. Maybe there's more to him than the stats suggest but he needs to prove it in longer term FC cricket first.

Amad is a decent bowler but nothing special. He's a 4th seamer who can bat a bit. He might be able to chip in and provide balance but he isn't going to be running through international sides anytime soon.

Let me break this down for you...

Usman can't dominate 3rd rate domestic batsman - good cheesy line, which movie from!?
However despite what you say he was selected for the ZIM series as a first rate spinner and picked-up the Man of the series, how irony isnt it!!! Clearly you haven't watched that series

Amad Butt isn't special - who is special, Fahim!!?? Amad is more penetrative has taken more wickets than Fahim...for Test matches pick your wicket taking bowlers not medium pace defensive containing bowlers

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Let me break this down for you...

Usman can't dominate 3rd rate domestic batsman - good cheesy line, which movie from!?
However despite what you say he was selected for the ZIM series as a first rate spinner and picked-up the Man of the series, how irony isnt it!!! Clearly you haven't watched that series

Amad Butt isn't special - who is special, Fahim!!?? Amad is more penetrative has taken more wickets than Fahim...for Test matches pick your wicket taking bowlers not medium pace defensive containing bowlers

Usman Qadir got selected because he has links with the captain Babar Azam. (I think he’s Umar Akmal’s brother in law). That can be the only explanation because he had no performances to back his selection against Zimbabwe.

In other words, he’s a parchi.

 

[indian_sap]

Usman Qadir got selected because he has links with the captain Babar Azam. (I think he’s Umar Akmal’s brother in law). That can be the only explanation because he had no performances to back his selection against Zimbabwe.

In other words, he’s a parchi.

If a parchi can pick-up a man of the series and bowls that penetratively and smartly (uses brains!) then I guess I will take such parchis any day over lackluster dumb non-performers like Yasir & Shadab!

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

if Usman Qadir gets a test match cap.. That is it then for Pakistan.
Do not devalue your nations Test Cap.. its not so cheap.

 

[indian_sap]

if Usman Qadir gets a test match cap.. That is it then for Pakistan.
Do not devalue your nations Test Cap.. its not so cheap.

Usman Qadir some say parchi and some say cheap has been your best bowler so far against NZ A, especially considering NZ are going bonkers with just 1 wicket down:

 

[ShoaibM]

Not sure about Qadir but really thought Ammad would get a shot in this test instead of Faheem. likely a bad selection move by Misbah.

 

[indian_sap]

Not sure about Qadir but really thought Ammad would get a shot in this test instead of Faheem. likely a bad selection move by Misbah.

Yeah agree....Amad looks quite penetrative especially in ODIs and Tests....not sure you saw the recent ZIM series, Usman was a revelation, was MoM in that series...b4 that series I thought Usman didn't have it in him but that series changed my perspective about him...moreover he is quite smart in his bowling.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Qadir looks a gun LOI prospect. Not so sure he would look half as dangerous in the longer format.

 

[ShoaibM]

Yeah agree....Amad looks quite penetrative especially in ODIs and Tests....not sure you saw the recent ZIM series, Usman was a revelation, was MoM in that series...b4 that series I thought Usman didn't have it in him but that series changed my perspective about him...moreover he is quite smart in his bowling.

Qadir will need to prove a lot more to be considered an option in tests. But yeah looks like he can hold his own in LO wouldnt mind seeing him more in those formats. But would love to see Ammad given a go I guess he misses his chance with Babar coming back in for Faheem. Too bad.

 

[indian_sap]

yeah and moreover remember he has also lead the Pakistan Unders (16 and 19s I reckon) which is always good, ensures that the cricketer can think on his feet and can be independent on the field.

 

[Bigboii]

Dude no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why!!!!!

Qadir is so inaccurate he can't survive test cricket

Accuracy is the name of the game in tests

 

[indian_sap]

Dude no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why!!!!!

Qadir is so inaccurate he can't survive test cricket

Accuracy is the name of the game in tests

Yes agree, he does bowl the odd long hop but hasn't Yasir done that at the beginning of his career and how about Adil Rashid, have you seen his long hops even to this date?

Usmans recent ODI and T20 record has been very good which shows that he has improved quite a bit on that front.

 

[Major]

As usual, the guy not selected is the best player ever

 

[Hasan123]

What difference would Qadir make lol?

 

[indian_sap]

Come on guys, you got to pick your best available team for any format that's the No. 1 rule of the game - stupid questions like what would have Qadir done, the one not selected is the best player are just cheesy one-liners without any substance.

I put this thread up on Day 1 of this game before Yasirs performance & irrespective of how Yasir would have performed I felt that Usman is a better choice as a leg spinner based on his recent performances and smartness with the ball.

And, please don't get me started on Fahim as a test bowler...may be just may be good for the T20s but I don't consider him a good option even for ODIs let alone Tests.

Remember this, always pick wicket-taking penetrative options for Tests. Feel both Amad and Usman fit the bill to some extent when compared to the others - that's just imho only.

 

[hur rizvi]

Usman Qadir - the guy takes Man of the Series in previous series, operates smartly, uses variations and looks quite penetrative which Yasir clearly lacks however isn't good enough hence gets omitted from the squad...another guy (Yasir) who has been lackluster and hasn't looked penetrative at all for the last couple of years gets selected, what's going on Pakistan selection!!??

Amad Butt - Wasim Akram has been vouching for Amad Butt since last couple of years or so, those who watched him play can clearly see wicket taking penetrative abilities...he keeps on taking wickets however somehow gets ignored each time from the 16 member squad...astonishing again!!

Bring on the smarts Pakistan selection, smell the coffee!

Usman Qadir is not good enough for ODIs let alone tests

 

[hur rizvi]

Some of the comments to this post are outright stupid and thoughtless...no wonder the team and its management are the same.

Come on guys, you got to pick your best available team for any format that's the No. 1 rule of the game - stupid questions like what would have Qadir done, the one not selected is the best player are just cheesy one-liners without any substance.

I put this thread up on Day 1 of this game before Yasirs performance & irrespective of how Yasir would have performed I felt that Usman is a better choice as a leg spinner based on his recent performances and smartness with the ball.

And, please don't get me started on Fahim as a test bowler...may be just may be good for the T20s but I don't consider him a good option even for ODIs let alone Tests.

Remember this, always pick wicket-taking penetrative options for Tests. Feel both Amad and Usman fit the bill to some extent when compared to the others - that's just imho only.

Usman Qadir averages 51 in FC cricket. Yasir even on his last legs is a much much superior test option. It's not even a competetion

 

[indian_sap]

Usman Qadir averages 51 in FC cricket. Yasir even on his last legs is a much much superior test option. It's not even a competetion

Based on his recent performances in ZIM MoS and in yesterday's high octane game against NZ A he was PAK XIs best bowler on display...enough of singing the shenanigans of a lackluster bowler like Yasir (by the way this was his 22nd century on the field, 22 100s given as a bowler!) and enough of the hate for Usman.

By the way, just to make it clear, Usman isn't my niece or cousin I have only seen his recent performances and feel that he is much better leg spin option than Yasir in current form.

 

[hur rizvi]

Based on his recent performances in ZIM MoS and in yesterday's high octane game against NZ A he was PAK XIs best bowler on display...enough of singing the shenanigans of a lackluster bowler like Yasir (by the way this was his 22nd century on the field, 22 100s given as a bowler!) and enough of the hate for Usman.

By the way, just to make it clear, Usman isn't my niece or cousin I have only seen his recent performances and feel that he is much better leg spin option than Yasir in current form.

Usman doesnt deserve test cap there are many ahead of him in pecking order. I have no hate for Usman he has debuted in T20s and had success in first series should be selected for LOIs going ahead

His performance in a bunch of T20s shouldn't mean that he should be given test cap?

Zahid mehmood is an option even if we want to try new leg-spinner who is among top wicket takers in QAE trophy.

If a new spinner needs to be tried Zafar gohar is already there with the squad with a good FC record. He's 10 times more deserving of a test cap than usman.

 

[El Generico]

So Usman Qadir got a man of the series in a home T20 series against Zimbabwe and that means he deserves a test call up?

It would be a travesty if Qadir who averages over 50 plays test cricket before guys like Sajid Khan ,Kashif Bhatti or Zafar Gohar.

 

[indian_sap]

So Usman Qadir got a man of the series in a home T20 series against Zimbabwe and that means he deserves a test call up?

It would be a travesty if Qadir who averages over 50 plays test cricket before guys like Sajid Khan ,Kashif Bhatti or Zafar Gohar.

Zafar Gohar is the only recognized name for me in that list however quick trivia for you - how many of these have picked up MoS against an international team or bowled consistently better than others in an entire series? if it was "only" Zimbabwe then why haven't your other regular bowlers in the same series were better or got more wickets than a non-deserving chap? And what about yesterday's game against NZ A, where all of the bowlers got a pasting whereas this guy finished respectively at 5.5 RPO from his 4!

 

[indian_sap]

Look I am not saying he is the best, I also like Zafar but for some reason feel that Usman is more complete and is more smarter than the rest + his recent form has been very good hence just putting the case for him to be included atleast in the 16 squad

 

[El Generico]

Zafar Gohar is the only recognized name for me in that list however quick trivia for you - how many of these have picked up MoS against an international team or bowled consistently better than others in an entire series? if it was "only" Zimbabwe then why haven't your other regular bowlers in the same series were better or got more wickets than a non-deserving chap? And what about yesterday's game against NZ A, where all of the bowlers got a pasting whereas this guy finished respectively at 5.5 RPO from his 4!

The Zim series and the game yesterday were all T20s, they don’t justify test selection. I know guys like Bhatti and Sajid are not as well known as Qadir but they have out performed him big time in FC cricket. Usman Qadir needs to have a decent first class season and I am sure he would be front of the line for a test spot.

Generally FC cricket is the criteria for test selection not T20s.

 

[indian_sap]

The Zim series and the game yesterday were all T20s, they don’t justify test selection. I know guys like Bhatti and Sajid are not as well known as Qadir but they have out performed him big time in FC cricket. Usman Qadir needs to have a decent first class season and I am sure he would be front of the line for a test spot.

Generally FC cricket is the criteria for test selection not T20s.

Agree mate 100%...hope he performs in an FC series for test recall but I strongly feel he deserves a place in the shorter format to start with instead of the useless lackluster Shadab...baffles me that bowlers like Shadab r given such long run in Internationals.

 

[El Generico]

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[El Generico]

Agree mate 100%...hope he performs in an FC series for test recall but I strongly feel he deserves a place in the shorter format to start with instead of the useless lackluster Shadab...baffles me that bowlers like Shadab r given such long run in Internationals.

He definitely deserves a long run in T20s and maybe even ODIs. Team management probably prefers Shadab cause of his batting but I agree that we need at least one specialist spinner in the team.

 

[indian_sap]

I don't agree with this useless team managements thinking - a bowler is in the team for his batting!!!???

Murali, Shane, Waqar, Shoaib, Mushtaq Ahmed, Lyon etc. etc. all good and wicket taking bowlers were successful bcz they were picked for their bowling and wicket taking abilities for d team and also bcz they were preferred head & shoulders above countless such part-time bowlers who "may" sometimes bat!!!

 

[indian_sap]

By the way, Usman can bat too and bowls imho much better than part-timer Shadab.

 

[indian_sap]

For those wanting Zafar Gohar tried have now seen that there is no replacement for a proper spinner, imho based on recent form Usman Qadir should be given a chance....has been performing and foxing batsmen consistently.

And yes, Amad Butt I feel is a much better bowler in Tests & ODIs with strong FC experience, was recommended by Wasim Akram not long ago.

 

[Zaz]

For those wanting Zafar Gohar tried have now seen that there is no replacement for a proper spinner, imho based on recent form Usman Qadir should be given a chance....has been performing and foxing batsmen consistently.

And yes, Amad Butt I feel is a much better bowler in Tests & ODIs with strong FC experience, was recommended by Wasim Akram not long ago.

How many times Hes not a FC bowler He doesnt have any performances in that format You cant justify test selection on t20 performances Its seriously deluded

Theres no reason to suggest qadir should be tried in tests absolute none Let him perform in fc first before you throw his name around

 

[Rana]

Kyun?

Kab?

Kahaan?

Sounds like the next SRK movie with Yash Raj films

 

[Thunderbolt14]

How many times Hes not a FC bowler He doesnt have any performances in that format You cant justify test selection on t20 performances Its seriously deluded

Theres no reason to suggest qadir should be tried in tests absolute none Let him perform in fc first before you throw his name around

This... Qadir has some good skills but has no FC experience let’s please not make the mistake of selecting based on T20 performances, Test cricket does not work like that.

If you want a leggie, choose between Yasir Shah and Zahid Mehmood. The other spinners are Sajid Khan, Zafar Gohar, and Nauman Ali. Those are the only options based on First Class performances.

Usman Qadir can and should play QeA 2021, if he performs, then fair game. I simply don’t think he has that control yet, even though he produces 1-2 excellent deliveries per over.

 

[indian_sap]

Fair enough mate but atleast get him into the mix for ODIs and T20s in the 16 member squad...Man of the Series in recent ZIM series and then top performance in each n every game against NZ A is no mean feat...hope he plays QeA 2021.

What about Amad Butt, why are people hesistant to talk about him - has been performing consistently well in ODIs & Tests, I saw him couple of times absolutely liked his wicket taking ability with the ball + he can bat too + was recently recommended by Wasim Akram

 

[shamaan]

So Usman Qadir got a man of the series in a home T20 series against Zimbabwe and that means he deserves a test call up?

It would be a travesty if Qadir who averages over 50 plays test cricket before guys like Sajid Khan ,Kashif Bhatti or Zafar Gohar.

For those wanting Zafar Gohar tried have now seen that there is no replacement for a proper spinner, imho based on recent form Usman Qadir should be given a chance....has been performing and foxing batsmen consistently.

And yes, Amad Butt I feel is a much better bowler in Tests & ODIs with strong FC experience, was recommended by Wasim Akram not long ago.

Usman qadir is decent enough in odis and t20s but he needs to play domestic to have a chance of playing in the test team.

 

[shamaan]

This... Qadir has some good skills but has no FC experience let’s please not make the mistake of selecting based on T20 performances, Test cricket does not work like that.

If you want a leggie, choose between Yasir Shah and Zahid Mehmood. The other spinners are Sajid Khan, Zafar Gohar, and Nauman Ali. Those are the only options based on First Class performances.

Usman Qadir can and should play QeA 2021, if he performs, then fair game. I simply don’t think he has that control yet, even though he produces 1-2 excellent deliveries per over.

Zahid mahmood goes at 4 rpo in domestic this season

 

[indian_sap]

Okay so Usman has played domestic this season very impressive record and then extremely impressive in the 1st T20I aswell in addition to his Man of the Series in the recent ZIM series...looks miles better in guile & turn than Shadab and better than Yasir too imho

 

[moghul]

Fair enough mate but atleast get him into the mix for ODIs and T20s in the 16 member squad...Man of the Series in recent ZIM series and then top performance in each n every game against NZ A is no mean feat...hope he plays QeA 2021.

What about Amad Butt, why are people hesistant to talk about him - has been performing consistently well in ODIs & Tests, I saw him couple of times absolutely liked his wicket taking ability with the ball + he can bat too + was recently recommended by Wasim Akram

I have the same question, Butt has been playing domestic cricket including FC cricket for many years now and has been consistent in his performance. He is a far better wicket taker bowler than Faheem and can bat well too. Performed well in the limited chance he was given on NZL tour with Shaheens recently.

 

[zacattakk]

Okay so Usman has played domestic this season very impressive record and then extremely impressive in the 1st T20I aswell in addition to his Man of the Series in the recent ZIM series...looks miles better in guile & turn than Shadab and better than Yasir too imho

Usman needs to play the Quaideazam trophy and be the top leg spinner in it before even being considered for the national test team. There shouldnt be any compromise on that.

 

[indian_sap]

Usman needs to play the Quaideazam trophy and be the top leg spinner in it before even being considered for the national test team. There shouldnt be any compromise on that.

Was Shadab the top leg spinner in QEA trophy!!?? If no, then how did he make it for years in the team!!??

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Was Shadab the top leg spinner in QEA trophy!!?? If no, then how did he make it for years in the team!!??

Shadab barely plays Tests, when he does, it’s as a number 6 who can bowl some overs. And even then I don’t think it’s the right decision.

Both Shadab and Usman need to play two full seasons of FC cricket before coming into contention for the national Test side.

 

[indian_sap]

Shadab barely plays Tests, when he does, it’s as a number 6 who can bowl some overs. And even then I don’t think it’s the right decision.

Both Shadab and Usman need to play two full seasons of FC cricket before coming into contention for the national Test side.

But Shadab has been playing for years already despite all of that so why the prejudice against Usman?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

But Shadab has been playing for years already despite all of that so why the prejudice against Usman?

Usman has been utter garbage for years. He has only recently started looking decent in the last 6 months, that too in limited overs. Go pull up the stats, even Shadab (who I don’t rate in Tests) has much better FC stats.

 

[indian_sap]

Usman has been utter garbage for years. He has only recently started looking decent in the last 6 months, that too in limited overs. Go pull up the stats, even Shadab (who I don’t rate in Tests) has much better FC stats.

Pick on recent form

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Pick on recent form

I’m picking none of them. Yasir Shah, Nauman Ali, Sajid Khan, and Zahid Mehmood are the guys with recent form.

 

[Stewie]

I haven’t seen him much but I am impressed with Amad Butts overall stats. He is a bowling all rounder who can crank it up pretty good while bowling. I think he deserves a test call up.

 

[Extra_Cover]

I haven’t seen him much but I am impressed with Amad Butts overall stats. He is a bowling all rounder who can crank it up pretty good while bowling. I think he deserves a test call up.

Nope, Amad does not warrant a starting position over Faheem in tests. In T20s he can make a case for himself through PSL.

 

[Forum363]

I haven’t seen him much but I am impressed with Amad Butts overall stats. He is a bowling all rounder who can crank it up pretty good while bowling. I think he deserves a test call up.

Are you kidding? Ammad is a halwa bowler who is worse than the likes of Pandya, Mathews, Grant Elliot. And not good enough with the bat to make up for it.

Should be nowhere near the team.

 

[gazza619]

Are you kidding? Ammad is a halwa bowler who is worse than the likes of Pandya, Mathews, Grant Elliot. And not good enough with the bat to make up for it.

Should be nowhere near the team.

He did well as a bowler in NZ though.

 

[Rana]

Pathetic by Amad Butt today. Good batting but that was a horrendous spell. He was outbowled by 19 year old Imran in a pressure situation

 

[Forum363]

He did well as a bowler in NZ though.

If he plays enough, he will have the odd decent spell. But you can tell that in international cricket he will be destroyed in limited overs. He is the ideal kind of bowler to hit out of the park.

 

[Stewie]

I meant in test cricket. He can be a line length bowler with pace and can bat as well based on first class stats.

Any bowler can get hit in LOI cricket. Amad has pretty decent domestic stats for a fast bowling all rounder.

 

[Firebat]

Usman Qadir gets his chance for Multan today, but Amad Butt is missing for Peshawar due to a dislocated shoulder blade he picked up fielding in the last game