[VIDEO] ‘No shouting two’: Desperate India accused of dodgy tactics by veteran umpire

[MenInG]

Desperate to avoid its first series whitewash in eight years, India’s Test team has been accused of resorting to dodgy tactics in the second match against New Zealand.

Having set New Zealand a small target of 132, India needed early wickets at Christchurch and the touring team seemingly did not care too much about how they came.

In the fourth over umpire Richard Kettleborough scolded Virat Kohli’s side after a fielder was heard shouting “two” as Tom Latham picked up a single with a nudge to fine leg.

The official was adamant the Indians were looking to con the New Zealander into chasing a second run that was never on.

‘SHUT THE F*** UP’: Kohli erupts in foul-mouthed rant at Kiwi crowd

“No shouting two,” umpire Kettleborough, crowned the ICC umpire of the year four times, was heard admonishing Kohli. “You shouted two there.”

Kettleborough seemed unimpressed by Kohli’s explanation the call was to alert the fielder at fine leg of the possibility of a second run.

“No you’re not, you shouted here, enough please.”

It has been a tour to forget for Kohli, who made just 218 runs across nine matches.

He also appeared to tell the crowd to quieten up in no uncertain terms on day two of the second Test.

Agitated by the crowd all Test, Kohli took his frustrations out on them after Tom Latham was bowled by Mohammed Shami, turning to them and seemingly mouthing the words “shut the f*** up.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...e/news-story/2747fa3a656836d408ce31f1ff10b9bb


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[SensiblePakFan]

Lol, never expected this from the no.1 Test side.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Lol.. pathetic

 

[Gullycricket]

I have been saying it over and over that all this sportsmanship by Kohli and his team is fake. Now he is under the pump and showing his true colours. Pathetic team and loser mentality.

 

[Gullycricket]

Will ICC ban this guy and will media hound him like they did to Steve Smith during that accusation of Brain fade incident

 

[Dagestani_Eagle]

What the hell. Sharamful stuff

 

[aloo paratha]

Kohli has been a POS on field for almost his entire career. It's hilarious when people say he has good sportsmanship.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Is it the main team or the U19? Anyways, as they say an apple doesn't fall far from the tree and all that...

Pathetic and shameful.

No other words to describe this childish and classless behaviour.

And people wanna compare them to WI and Aussies

 

[MP2011]

Extremely poor from us, if true.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

It's funny how India get away with murder, but players like Rabada gets fined (and banned) for shouting at the ground a bit too close to an ICC precious. Pathetic stuff this though, close to cheating.

 

[Slim]

This was called as the lumber 1 ATG GOAT Asian team.

 

[Shaddy86]

Kohli has always been classless on the field, desperate measures for desperate times. Spirit of the game goes out of the window when you're under the pump.

 

[OffDrive]

Indians are cheats and liars, we all know that, look at all the disgusting Indians and the scams they try, especially those Microsoft tech scams, IRS, ATO scams, etc.

 

[Aman]

Kohli was really bad this Test.

Swore and gestured at the crowd and his celebrations were way over the top. Came off like a massive idiot.

You can get away with it when you let your bat do the taking but incredibly annoying when the only performances are with the mouth.

 

[aukhan]

Spirit of cricket award. lol

What a shameless bunch they are.

 

[Mobashir]

Spirit of cricket award. lol

What a shameless bunch they are.

He should get another one for just apologizing.

 

[Mobashir]

That kind of behavior should be punished especially when it's coming from the captain himself.

 

[Snowflake]

Keeps getting worse for kohli. What a tool

 

[Danyaalr01]

True test for the ICC. Swearing at the crowd and trying to trick the batsmen into running 2, if he doesn't get a ban then that is shameful for the ICC.

 

[Slog]

Lol this is some desperate pathetic stuff if true

 

[MenInG]

Video added in post #1

 

[Square Drive]

In before [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] comes out with a bunch of sorry excuses.

 

[Pakpak]

I find it hilarious not going to lie

 

[in_cutter]

I don’t think there was malicious intent tbh. I think the fielder thought they are running two...just careless.

 

[MenInG]

I don’t think there was malicious intent tbh. I think the fielder thought they are running two...just careless.

I am sure that's what Kohli told umpire but he saw through that...

 

[zain7077]

Shameless. Just have a listen to his post match press conference. A journalist asks him regarding him swearing at Williamson and the crowd and he denies it altogether by telling the journalist that he needs to stop making things up.

 

[wrongun]

True test for the ICC. Swearing at the crowd and trying to trick the batsmen into running 2, if he doesn't get a ban then that is shameful for the ICC.

India doesn't get punished by the ICC.

 

[Aman]

True test for the ICC. Swearing at the crowd and trying to trick the batsmen into running 2, if he doesn't get a ban then that is shameful for the ICC.

Also heard he gave a send off or two.

Definitely should be facing a ban 2 game ban for his poor behavior in this match.

 

[Acricfan]

Absolutely farce to give Kohli the Spirit of Cricket Award. Easy to be a 'Gentleman' when your winning I guess.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Kohli really isn't mature enough to be captain, is he?

 

[Mamoon]

In before [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] comes out with a bunch of sorry excuses.

What sorry excuses? There is nothing to excuse here. This is literally nothing.

If the NZ batsmen are getting “conned” by Indian fielders into taking risky doubles, then they deserve to get run out. They need to watch the ball and not listen to the fielders.

Kettleborough is a terrific umpire but he is just being dumb here.

Besides, cricket is not played by saints. The Indian players are not angels but at least they are not getting caught tampering with the ball or fixing games.

The way people are reacting to their defeat in NZ and this completely trivial matter shows the amount of frustrating building up because of India’s number 1 ranking since 2016.

 

[Mirpur express]

In before [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] comes out with a bunch of sorry excuses.

I second that lol

 

[Danyaalr01]

What sorry excuses? There is nothing to excuse here. This is literally nothing.

If the NZ batsmen are getting “conned” by Indian fielders into taking risky doubles, then they deserve to get run out. They need to watch the ball and not listen to the fielders.

Kettleborough is a terrific umpire but he is just being dumb here.

Besides, cricket is not played by saints. The Indian players are not angels but at least they are not getting caught tampering with the ball or fixing games.

The way people are reacting to their defeat in NZ and this completely trivial matter shows the amount of frustrating building up because of India’s number 1 ranking since 2016.

So swearing at fans of the game is fine?

 

[Mamoon]

So swearing at fans of the game is fine?

Did I say he is a saint? I would rather have him swear at the fans than get caught fixing or tampering with the ball like certain “gentlemen”.

 

[Aman]

Did I say he is a saint? I would rather have him swear at the fans than get caught fixing or tampering with the ball like certain “gentlemen”.

What does those offenses have to do with Kohli? Those guys were caught and punished.

Kohli is going to get away with committing multiple offences this match.

The lack of runs and phaintas seem to be taking a toll on him.

 

[Minnowbasher]

What sorry excuses? There is nothing to excuse here. This is literally nothing.

If the NZ batsmen are getting “conned” by Indian fielders into taking risky doubles, then they deserve to get run out. They need to watch the ball and not listen to the fielders.

Kettleborough is a terrific umpire but he is just being dumb here.

Besides, cricket is not played by saints. The Indian players are not angels but at least they are not getting caught tampering with the ball or fixing games.

The way people are reacting to their defeat in NZ and this completely trivial matter shows the amount of frustrating building up because of India’s number 1 ranking since 2016.

Lol at how naive you are.
They weren't calling two to have a go at the batsmen but rather to confuse them. That's such dirty tactics. If Pakistan did this you would be on a long rant but because you are mr double standards and your india is the one in trouble here you turn a blind eye.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol at how naive you are.
They weren't calling two to have a go at the batsmen but rather to confuse them. That's such dirty tactics. If Pakistan did this you would be on a long rant but because you are mr double standards and your india is the one in trouble here you turn a blind eye.

Read what I said. If the NZ batsmen are getting confused by the Indian fielders’ calls, they deserve to get run out. Their job is to watch the ball and not listen to the fielders.

 

[Mamoon]

What does those offenses have to do with Kohli? Those guys were caught and punished.

Kohli is going to get away with committing multiple offences this match.

The lack of runs and phaintas seem to be taking a toll on him.

Whether Kohli gets reprimanded or not is something that match officials will decide. It is not our job.

 

[MMHS]

For his own good, Kohli should step down from Captaincy and try to regain his batting form. He has taken team to No. 1 in Test and has one bite to every ICC LO event. Or may be stick to Test Captaincy till Test Championship Final but step down for LO immediately. There is a readymade (better) replacement available for LO cricket.

He was never a good boy, now when the team & individually he is struggling, it’s becoming vulgar by day.

 

[AdamM97]

Read what I said. If the NZ batsmen are getting confused by the Indian fielders’ calls, they deserve to get run out. Their job is to watch the ball and not listen to the fielders.

The thing is that if Pakistani players had done the same thing, you would’ve spent an entire day criticizing them and call them embarrassing and frustrated.

 

[Usman Chadda]

What an embarrassing fraud this Kohli is. A little bit of pressure, and he resorts to his third-rate antics.

Glad to see his apologists make excuses for this bachpana in this thread once again.

Chullu bhar paani mein doob marna chahiye in logon ko

 

[Titan24]

Unprofessional behaviour. Cricketers representing their national sides should be more mature than this, they are not in junior school where umpire should be asking who is shouting two and they start giggling or looking down with guilty look in their face.

Its a serious sport and they are professionals, they shouldn’t be making fun of the game or going against the spirit of the sport like this just because they are on the wrong side of the result.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Pathetic from India.I know it hurts to lose to New Zealand pop 5 million (India pop 1.3 billion) but this is unprofessional behavior.The umpires should have penalized India.

 

[sweep_shot]

This was not nice. Very cheap tactic.

It was probably within the laws but not ethical at all.

 

[happydavy]

Indians are cheats and liars, we all know that, look at all the disgusting Indians and the scams they try, especially those Microsoft tech scams, IRS, ATO scams, etc.

yea rite, Abbatabod is what Pakistan does!

 

[Rellu_Katta]

certain non-indian garbage humans will defend kholis behaviour due to their inferiority complex... these gutters shld be left to boil up.. the shame would be amazing , if they had any but then they wont do anything bcz well they had no shame to begin with

as for the tactics, lol, interestingly i got told of by an umpire, almost a decade ago, for doing this exact thing... shouting false calls to confuse batsmen .... interestingly, i was told to go and field at long-on bcz i would just not stop ...

shldnt happen in an international game.. period...

 

[Bewal Express]

This is what they do in desi park leagues on a Sunday. This is fuuny and shameful at the same time. Kohli feeling the heat.

 

[MenInG]

This is what they do in desi park leagues on a Sunday. This is fuuny and shameful at the same time. Kohli feeling the heat.

To be honest I thought it was a pretty neat trick until I realized its not the thing to do in proper cricket

 

[coy0607]

in what world did Kohli think this was a good idea.. plain stupid, reeks of over confidence

 

[Snowflake]

in what world did Kohli think this was a good idea.. plain stupid, reeks of over confidence

Over confidence? You use such tactics in backyard cricket. There was nothing in this tactic that conveyed confidence.

 

[Hasan123]

Some of the stuff that went on this test by India was an absolute joke. Kohli can celebrate how he wants but the appealing and swearing is just not needed.

 

[Bewal Express]

To be honest I thought it was a pretty neat trick until I realized its not the thing to do in proper cricket

I have seen it in league cricket but at the pro level, it makes you look stupid.

 

[hitthestump]

Low class behaviour from a horribly entitled individual. Makes sense as the day when he could answer with his bat are gone, and without Papa Dhoni there to protect him he's hopelessly exposed as a dishonourable man.

 

[Poutine]

Losing is one thing but it seems India had a complete meltdown in NZ. Can’t even imagine what would happen when they play in Australia with Warner/Smith back.

 

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Did I say he is a saint? I would rather have him swear at the fans than get caught fixing or tampering with the ball like certain “gentlemen”.

That patriotism of Pakistan based Pakistanis vs Overseas Pakistanis shines through!! The walking talking contradiction- adnan sami in disguise

 

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

The thing is that if Pakistani players had done the same thing, you would’ve spent an entire day criticizing them and call them embarrassing and frustrated.

So true. To be honest,he would do that in any case. Instead of offering solutions, he just criticises everything about Pakistan cricket aside from that- Stevie Wonder himself could see i.e. quality of babar azam and potential of SSA

 

[Poutine]

Read what I said. If the NZ batsmen are getting confused by the Indian fielders’ calls, they deserve to get run out. Their job is to watch the ball and not listen to the fielders.

Be honest, if a Pakistani player did what Kohli did, would you still defend them?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Funniest thing about this video is the sign that kid had up: "Lets Kane India" HAHAHAHA

 

[Syed1]

Funniest thing about this video is the sign that kid had up: "Lets Kane India" HAHAHAHA

They sure Kane'd them

 

[Rana]

Whether Kohli gets reprimanded or not is something that match officials will decide. It is not our job.

What would you do if it was your job in this case? I want to hear your views

 

[King-Misbah]

A bit unfair saying that the Indians saying: Two will confused the New Zealand. Anyone who can not pick up the thick Indian accent deserves to be out lol

 

[MenInG]

Interesting to see what the ICC say about it, although seems that the matter has been buried for now.

 

[Saj]

Interesting to see what the ICC say about it, although seems that the matter has been buried for now.

They'll do nothing.

Maybe choose it as sporting moment of the year.

 

[Uzi]

They'll do nothing.

Maybe choose it as sporting moment of the year.

Pretty much this, although they may go one step further and award Kohli and the Indian team with the Nobel peace prize.

 

[Forum363]

Read what I said. If the NZ batsmen are getting confused by the Indian fielders’ calls, they deserve to get run out. Their job is to watch the ball and not listen to the fielders.

The batsmen’s job is not to both watch the ball. One player watches the ball and calls, the other one runs without looking for the ball. That’s how it works.

Surely you’ve seen the amount of time batsmen get run out and people say how poor they were because they were ‘ball watching’ instead of focussing on the run.

So if the fielders are shouting different things, it removes the chance the listen to and trust your partner’s call.

 

[Realromeo]

When you are the captain of the Indian team, you are representing India. Not everything is about you. Kohli is a ***** at times.

 

[hafizexpress]

Read what I said. If the NZ batsmen are getting confused by the Indian fielders’ calls, they deserve to get run out. Their job is to watch the ball and not listen to the fielders.

Don't know why you keep bringing this point up. The NZ batsmen did not even get confused. What the umpire brought up was that the Indians TRIED to confuse them. You're right, their job is to watch the ball and not listen to the fielders.. and that's exactly what they did. Maybe watch a video of it before commenting on how the NZ batsmen were reacting instead of pointing out what's actually wrong.

 

[hafizexpress]

I remember in one the Pak vs SRL series back in 2013, Sanga faked Shehzad when he was running back for a 2 into thinking he already got the ball and pretended hitting the wicket. This caused Shehzad to run harder and dive in desparation. Isn't that kind of similar?

These kind of tactics seem harmless and useful. By harmless I mean they're not unethical and are just a means to confuse your opponents, which is a common thing in every competition of the world.

Similarly, the Indians calling out "2" doesn't seem against the spirit of the game to me. However, Kohli's reactions with the crowd is absolutely wrong.

 

[Junaids]

Some of the stuff that went on this test by India was an absolute joke. Kohli can celebrate how he wants but the appealing and swearing is just not needed.

Just like Sydney 2008.

Racial abuse, world class whingeing about neutral umpires, then they had the insolence and gall to accuse the Aussies of poor sportsmanship, and then they threatened to go home and sulk.

 

[Mamoon]

The thing is that if Pakistani players had done the same thing, you would’ve spent an entire day criticizing them and call them embarrassing and frustrated.

Be honest, if a Pakistani player did what Kohli did, would you still defend them?

If a Pakistani player would do this I would not criticize him. If you think otherwise that is your viewpoint and I cannot challenge it.

 

[Mamoon]

The batsmen’s job is not to both watch the ball. One player watches the ball and calls, the other one runs without looking for the ball. That’s how it works.

Surely you’ve seen the amount of time batsmen get run out and people say how poor they were because they were ‘ball watching’ instead of focussing on the run.

So if the fielders are shouting different things, it removes the chance the listen to and trust your partner’s call.

Don't know why you keep bringing this point up. The NZ batsmen did not even get confused. What the umpire brought up was that the Indians TRIED to confuse them. You're right, their job is to watch the ball and not listen to the fielders.. and that's exactly what they did. Maybe watch a video of it before commenting on how the NZ batsmen were reacting instead of pointing out what's actually wrong.

This is how running works: if the ball is in front of the wicket, the striker makes the call. If the ball is behind the wicket, the non-striker makes the call. If the ball is in a position where both batsmen can view the ball, it comes down to mutual understanding.

Either way, the calls of the fielder should not dupe the batsmen. If they trust the fielders’ calls and take a risky run, they deserve to be run out.

I am not blaming the NZ batsmen for anything because I don’t think they have complained. That is why I mentioning the umpire here. He provided unnecessary protection to the NZ batsmen.

 

[Mamoon]

What would you do if it was your job in this case? I want to hear your views

I would not do anything about the fielders shouting or whatever. It is a complete non-issue for me.

As far as Kohli abusing the crowd is concerned, I would make further investigations to explore if his actions were provoked or not. If provoked, what was the manner of provocation?

If crowd did nothing and he simply abused them for whatever reason, I would give him a 1 match ban and dock his match fee.

If the crowd provoked him (but did not abuse) and he got triggered and abused them in response, I would not give him a match ban but would dock 50% of his match fee.

If the crowd abused him and he abused in response, I would not reprimand Kohli and would ban the abuser from attending future matches at the ground. Kohli is under no obligation to take abuse from anyone in the crowd because he is the captain of the Indian team and a role-model to billions. If he gets abused, he has the right to abuse back.

If he doesn’t abuse in response, that would be very ethical and would speak volumes of his character. However, he should not be punished if he abuses back.

 

[Snowflake]

I would not do anything about the fielders shouting or whatever. It is a complete non-issue for me.

As far as Kohli abusing the crowd is concerned, I would make further investigations to explore if his actions were provoked or not. If provoked, what was the manner of provocation?

If crowd did nothing and he simply abused them for whatever reason, I would give him a 1 match ban and dock his match fee.

If the crowd provoked him (but did not abuse) and he got triggered and abused them in response, I would not give him a match ban but would dock 50% of his match fee.

If the crowd abused him and he abused in response, I would not reprimand Kohli and would ban the abuser from attending future matches at the ground. Kohli is under no obligation to take abuse from anyone in the crowd because he is the captain of the Indian team and a role-model to billions. If he gets abused, he has the right to abuse back.

If he doesn’t abuse in response, that would be very ethical and would speak volumes of his character. However, he should not be punished if he abuses back.

What a silly thing to say, but it only confirms your inferiority complex. Response to abuse does not depend on who you are. Rules of the game apply uniformly to all regardless of one's status.

Get out of self pity and have some dignity.

 

[Mamoon]

What a silly thing to say, but it only confirms your inferiority complex. Response to abuse does not depend on who you are. Rules of the game apply uniformly to all regardless of one's status.

Get out of self pity and have some dignity.

That is my point, should you read what I say and not think about what to say next in order to have an argument with me.

Kohli has the right to not take abuse from the crowd. Ultimately, he is a human being and if he gets insulted and abused, he has the right to pay it back. A lot of people would say that he should not abuse the crowd (even if they abuse him) because he is the captain of his country and a role-model, but I do not agree with that.

Thus, if he was abused first, I would not punish him at all.

 

[Snowflake]

That is my point, should you read what I say and not think about what to say next in order to have an argument with me.

Kohli has the right to not take abuse from the crowd. Ultimately, he is a human being and if he gets insulted and abused, he has the right to pay it back. A lot of people would say that he should not abuse the crowd (even if they abuse him) because he is the captain of his country and a role-model, but I do not agree with that.

Thus, if he was abused first, I would not punish him at all.

No one, except a couple mentions, is saying that. It's a childish reaction no matter who you are. However, it does look even more stupid to react like that if you are a non-performing captain whose team is being taken to the cleaners.

Though, I do not expect an honest assessment from you on this topic. We all know how you'd be writing essays on Pakistan's mediocrity, humiliation and death of cricket among what not if something of the sorts had taken place with the PCT. You need to keep India on a high pedestal to keep your profile on this forum intact.

 

[Mamoon]

No one, except a couple mentions, is saying that. It's a childish reaction no matter who you are. However, it does look even more stupid to react like that if you are a non-performing captain whose team is being taken to the cleaners.

Though, I do not expect an honest assessment from you on this topic. We all know how you'd be writing essays on Pakistan's mediocrity, humiliation and death of cricket among what not if something of the sorts had taken place with the PCT. You need to keep India on a high pedestal to keep your profile on this forum intact.

What do you mean by childish? So it is childish to abuse back if you have been abused, especially when you are on the field and emotions are running high already?

How many players in the world would have the composure to completely ignore the abuses getting hurled at him by the crowd?

Few weeks back, Stokes was mocked by a South African supporter when he was walking back to the pavilion after getting dismissed, and he threatened to beat up that South African fan. Did the ICC fine/ban him? No, and it was understandable.

What do you mean by non-performing captain? So what if he failed on this tour? Does that mean he should be a bobo doll and take up abuse?

Are you only allowed to response to insult if you are performing and your team is winning?

India is a better team than New Zealand, India is a bigger cricket nation than New Zealand and Kohli is a far bigger and greater cricketer than anyone New Zealand has ever produced.

Should he take abuse from a random person in the crowd because he is not scoring at the moment and his team is losing? I don’t think so.

You can say whatever you want regarding how I would have reacted if it was a Pakistani player, but that is just your own perception. If this gives you an opportunity to score points then so be it. I cannot convince you or anyone else on how I would have reacted.

 

[Danyaalr01]

What do you mean by childish? So it is childish to abuse back if you have been abused, especially when you are on the field and emotions are running high already?

How many players in the world would have the composure to completely ignore the abuses getting hurled at him by the crowd?

Few weeks back, Stokes was mocked by a South African supporter when he was walking back to the pavilion after getting dismissed, and he threatened to beat up that South African fan. Did the ICC fine/ban him? No, and it was understandable.

What do you mean by non-performing captain? So what if he failed on this tour? Does that mean he should be a bobo doll and take up abuse?

Are you only allowed to response to insult if you are performing and your team is winning?

India is a better team than New Zealand, India is a bigger cricket nation than New Zealand and Kohli is a far bigger and greater cricketer than anyone New Zealand has ever produced.

Should he take abuse from a random person in the crowd because he is not scoring at the moment and his team is losing? I don’t think so.

You can say whatever you want regarding how I would have reacted if it was a Pakistani player, but that is just your own perception. If this gives you an opportunity to score points then so be it. I cannot convince you or anyone else on how I would have reacted.

But the crowd wasn't abusing Kohli...

 

[Mamoon]

But the crowd wasn't abusing Kohli...

We don’t know that. It is unlikely to abuse the crowd if you are not provoked. Anyway, if that is the case, I would suspend him for 1 match and dock his fee as I explained in my response to Rana.

 

[Shams123]

This is disappointing and looks very desperate.

 

[Mamoon]

For his own good, Kohli should step down from Captaincy and try to regain his batting form. He has taken team to No. 1 in Test and has one bite to every ICC LO event. Or may be stick to Test Captaincy till Test Championship Final but step down for LO immediately. There is a readymade (better) replacement available for LO cricket.

He was never a good boy, now when the team & individually he is struggling, it’s becoming vulgar by day.

That would be a disaster. Kohli is simply too big a figure to play under another captain as long as he is still in his prime years.

He is the face of cricket today and captain or not, the spotlight will be on him when he is on the field.

Asking Kohli to play under Rohit is like asking Imran to play under Wasim. It is not going to work.

People will say that Kohli took over from Dhoni without a problem, but Kohli had already surpassed Dhoni in stature by then.

Maybe Kohli can play under Shaw or Gill in the future at the age of 37-38, but certainly not in 2020 under Rohit.

BCCI has enough sense to not shoot itself in the foot. Besides, Kohli has earned the right to lead this Indian team in transition period, and overtake G. Smith as the most prolific Test captain (by wins) in history.