[VIDEO] "A Donkey Remains A Donkey": Imran Khan speaking on his experience in the UK

[MenInG]

Former Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan is again in the news, but for the wrong reason. Clips of his podcast recording are being circulated online in which he is describing his life in the United Kingdom, but a particular phrase has caught the attention of the internet.

“I was very welcome in the UK but I never considered it my home. I was always a Pakistani first. A donkey doesn't turn into a zebra just because you paint stripes on it. A donkey remains a donkey," Mr Khan is heard saying.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/a-d...s-go-viral-2952387#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

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[Major]

) he said this about overseas pakistanis???

I bet junaid akram laughed at this

 

[SpiritOf1903]

A dog born in a stable isn't a horse.. is used by the far-right

 

[MenInG]

) he said this about overseas pakistanis???

I bet junaid akram laughed at this

I think as usual, people have missed the context of the statement.

What he has stated may be a fact for immigrants and is not breaking news.

Where it does not apply, is when we talk about people born to Pak origin parents in the UK.

There are nuances and subtleties that need to be understood here.

 

[Major]

I think as usual, people have missed the context of the statement.

What he has stated may be a fact for immigrants and is not breaking news.

Where it does not apply, is when we talk about people born to Pak origin parents in the UK.

There are nuances and subtleties that need to be understood here.

But imran could have meant anything. Maybe he also refered to the second gen pakistanis..

Because in this same interview he even went on to say overseas pakistan cant earn the respect which they have in Pakistan

 

[James]

Fwiw I agree that similar wording has been used as a racist barb by the far right. But there is nothing wrong with the statement on this occasion as Imran has used it himself in a more nuanced way and within a particular context.

 

[MenInG]

But imran could have meant anything. Maybe he also refered to the second gen pakistanis..

Because in this same interview he even went on to say overseas pakistan cant earn the respect which they have in Pakistan

I think you make more sense when you present proper arguments bro - this is the Major I want to see on PP

 

[Energy]

Local Pakistanis can also earn respect if their overseas diaspora are achieving greater heights. With the advanced opportunities available in the west, the overseas Pakistanis have achieved nothing in comparison to others. And have continously, cheekily blamed everything on the local Pakistanis that it is them who show the overseas diaspora in bad light. In reality, it is the opposite.

If we had overseas Pakistanis in the headlines for stem, economic, astro, business, academic achievements it paints a positive image of Pakistanis back home too. But sadly, the overseas Pakistanis have their noses firmly poked in uber driving, and social issues of Pakistan.

 

[MenInG]

Local Pakistanis can also earn respect if their overseas diaspora are achieving greater heights. With the advanced opportunities available in the west, the overseas Pakistanis have achieved nothing in comparison to others. And have continously, cheekily blamed everything on the local Pakistanis that it is them who show the overseas diaspora in bad light. In reality, it is the opposite.

If we had overseas Pakistanis in the headlines for stem, economic, astro, business, academic achievements it paints a positive image of Pakistanis back home too. But sadly, the overseas Pakistanis have their noses firmly poked in uber driving, and social issues of Pakistan.

What do you mean by that?

 

[speed_thrills]

India-Pakistan aside just watched the full video, very inspiring.

 

[AMSS]

India-Pakistan aside just watched the full video, very inspiring.

Truly an immense leader. Besides his obvious charisma, this podcast shows what a keen mind this ubermensch possesses. Maybe the most impressive leader to come out of south asia in decades - maybe ever?

As an Indian, I feel conflicted how to feel about his ouster from power. I mean, it feels good as the citizen of the dushman country that Pakistan will miss his upright, righteous and sharp leadership.

But then it's also possible that India and the whole neighborhood might have benefited from his leadership?

 

[Mamoon]

Local Pakistanis can also earn respect if their overseas diaspora are achieving greater heights. With the advanced opportunities available in the west, the overseas Pakistanis have achieved nothing in comparison to others. And have continously, cheekily blamed everything on the local Pakistanis that it is them who show the overseas diaspora in bad light. In reality, it is the opposite.

If we had overseas Pakistanis in the headlines for stem, economic, astro, business, academic achievements it paints a positive image of Pakistanis back home too. But sadly, the overseas Pakistanis have their noses firmly poked in uber driving, and social issues of Pakistan.

Totally agree.

Overseas Pakistanis are epic failures, they have achieved nothing. They have been outclassed by their Indian counterparts in every country.

Indians are running some of the biggest companies in the world - can anyone name a single major company with a Pakistani CEO?

 

[AMSS]

Indians are running some of the biggest companies in the world - can anyone name a single major company with a Pakistani CEO?

This only shows that Pakistan has been better at keeping her best talents within country. Unlike India that keeps hemorrhaging talent.

A policy success for Pakistan, frankly. Talented Pakistanis find more opportunities at home than their poor Indian counterparts.

Checkmate Endia!

 

[MenInG]

Yet these underperforming Pakistanis from UK/USA seem to be sending an awful lot of money back to Pakistan

 

[MenInG]

This only shows that Pakistan has been better at keeping her best talents within country. Unlike India that keeps hemorrhaging talent.

A policy success for Pakistan, frankly. Talented Pakistanis find more opportunities at home than their poor Indian counterparts.

Checkmate Endia!

Let me be blunt.

Tomorrow if the UK embassy says, "all talented Pakistanis can come over to get a visa to work in the UK", I feel that we will witness something like what we saw in Kabul a few months ago.

The number of educated Pakistanis who send me their CVs to come out of the country and work elsewhere in a small part gives me an idea of how many would like to leave and pursue a better and safer life out of Pakistan.

Of course I am not saying that this right for Pakistan but feel this to be true.

 

[daytrader]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Overseas Pakistanis set up big screens at various venues in their resident countries so they can listen to PTI chairman and former premier Imran Khan's virtual address. Imran urged the Pakistani diaspora to raise their voices against the 'imported government'.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/etribune?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#etribune</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/news?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#news</a> <a href="https://t.co/E6dmgPL1XX">pic.twitter.com/E6dmgPL1XX</a></p>— The Express Tribune (@etribune) <a href="https://twitter.com/etribune/status/1522964199026176005?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[mazkhan]

This only shows that Pakistan has been better at keeping her best talents within country. Unlike India that keeps hemorrhaging talent.

A policy success for Pakistan, frankly. Talented Pakistanis find more opportunities at home than their poor Indian counterparts.

Checkmate Endia!

What talent have they kept the country is borderline sub saharan african our economy is bankrupt and our exports are based on outdated ways of agriculture and underwear manufacturing no wonder every six months they are going around the world with a begging bowl

 

[BreadPakoda]

Former Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan is again in the news, but for the wrong reason. Clips of his podcast recording are being circulated online in which he is describing his life in the United Kingdom, but a particular phrase has caught the attention of the internet.

“I was very welcome in the UK but I never considered it my home. I was always a Pakistani first. A donkey doesn't turn into a zebra just because you paint stripes on it. A donkey remains a donkey," Mr Khan is heard saying.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/a-d...s-go-viral-2952387#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

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Weird opinion and poor phrasing

 

[Technics 1210]

Yet the Mamoon’s and Major’s of this world are desperate to flee Pakistan to become overseas Pakistanis. This is why said opinions must be treated as bait filled with jealousy and insecurity.

I wouldn’t pay much attention to the likes of Energy either, he is clearly ignorant of oversea Pakistani accomplishments, but alas basis his opinion on the weekly rag known as the daily star.

 

[Technics 1210]

Moreover, if British Pakistanis are ashamed of being Pakistani, then I dare you and you ilk to relinquish your Pakistani passport/citizenship; nope will not do this cos they have to have a handle on corrupt ills. Rather be a gora than a nora.

 

[Energy]

Let me be blunt.

Tomorrow if the UK embassy says, "all talented Pakistanis can come over to get a visa to work in the UK", I feel that we will witness something like what we saw in Kabul a few months ago.

The number of educated Pakistanis who send me their CVs to come out of the country and work elsewhere in a small part gives me an idea of how many would like to leave and pursue a better and safer life out of Pakistan.

Of course I am not saying that this right for Pakistan but feel this to be true.

This will be true for all developing countries, as there are better opportunities/facilities in the developed world. It is a fact, and there's no denying it. And, it actually makes overseas Pakistanis look even worse that they haven't made use of the opportunities given to them, and only excelled in non-skilled labour. Taking a flight to the UK or US is not an achievement. Doing world-leading things is.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes folks, all Western leaders must be Pakistani as a mark of ethnic success.

Kiya baat he.

 

[IMMY69]

This will be true for all developing countries, as there are better opportunities/facilities in the developed world. It is a fact, and there's no denying it. And, it actually makes overseas Pakistanis look even worse that they haven't made use of the opportunities given to them, and only excelled in non-skilled labour. Taking a flight to the UK or US is not an achievement. Doing world-leading things is.

This is an extremely I'll informed post.

Firstly, whether you're an Uber driver, a street sweeper or bank manager, the fact is they will be far better off in the UK then 99.9pct of Pakistanis living in Pakistan.
So unless you're a mind reader you won't know why someone just to be what they are or from which circumstances/background they came from.
For example if a person devices to take up teaching they are not going get Rick from it but they are doing a noble job and getting pleasure from it.

Secondly, there are many multi millionaires just in England who are of Pakistani background.
So generalising is extremely foolish.

 

[daytrader]

This will be true for all developing countries, as there are better opportunities/facilities in the developed world. It is a fact, and there's no denying it. And, it actually makes overseas Pakistanis look even worse that they haven't made use of the opportunities given to them, and only excelled in non-skilled labour. Taking a flight to the UK or US is not an achievement. Doing world-leading things is.

And what world-leading things would that be? Specifically things that local Pakistanis have done which overseas Pakistanis haven't. You're generalizing thinking that all overseas Pakistanis are the same doing labour jobs. There's Pakistani professionals in all fields. What we lack though is a sense of communal organization like other diasporas. Pakistanis always seem to be in competition among themselves

 

[Technics 1210]

For those interested, Pakistanis contribution to UK retail is sight to see. It was Pakistanis who changed the face of Western retail.

Pakistani contribution to science, banking sector, IT, and medicine is next level in the UK. We do not get hear about it because the Daily Star/Mail are too busy reporting on Rotherham etc for the sake of selling newspapers. Boo hoo, every ethnic minority has bad apples, including the majority, whites.

Selective reporting is not indicative of reality. Go look at the majority of taxi drivers, they are white, and from Europe. Easy to single out drivers from Bradford for the sake of selling a narrative.

 

[Major]

For those interested, Pakistanis contribution to UK retail is sight to see. It was Pakistanis who changed the face of Western retail.

Pakistani contribution to science, banking sector, IT, and medicine is next level in the UK. We do not get hear about it because the Daily Star/Mail are too busy reporting on Rotherham etc for the sake of selling newspapers. Boo hoo, every ethnic minority has bad apples, including the majority, whites.

Selective reporting is not indicative of reality. Go look at the majority of taxi drivers, they are white, and from Europe. Easy to single out drivers from Bradford for the sake of selling a narrative.

Ghulam sarwar, who made good money through selling alcahol? Maybe im wrong

 

[Technics 1210]

Ghulam sarwar, who made good money through selling alcahol? Maybe im wrong

You are wrong.

 

[Major]

This is an extremely I'll informed post.

Firstly, whether you're an Uber driver, a street sweeper or bank manager, the fact is they will be far better off in the UK then 99.9pct of Pakistanis living in Pakistan.
So unless you're a mind reader you won't know why someone just to be what they are or from which circumstances/background they came from.
For example if a person devices to take up teaching they are not going get Rick from it but they are doing a noble job and getting pleasure from it.

Secondly, there are many multi millionaires just in England who are of Pakistani background.
So generalising is extremely foolish.

Even if they are better off, yet do they feel that respect or prestige? As imran doesnt think so they do

 

[Technics 1210]

Even if they are better off, yet do they feel that respect or prestige? As imran doesnt think so they do

Don't worry about what IK says, worry about what you think. You want to move overseas, but now all of a sudden IK's opinion is gospel? Yes or no?

 

[Major]

Don't worry about what IK says, worry about what you think. You want to move overseas, but now all of a sudden IK's opinion is gospel? Yes or no?

So IK is lied?

Dont worry about what ik said? Plz read the thread title

 

[Energy]

This is an extremely I'll informed post.

Firstly, whether you're an Uber driver, a street sweeper or bank manager, the fact is they will be far better off in the UK then 99.9pct of Pakistanis living in Pakistan.
So unless you're a mind reader you won't know why someone just to be what they are or from which circumstances/background they came from.
For example if a person devices to take up teaching they are not going get Rick from it but they are doing a noble job and getting pleasure from it.

Secondly, there are many multi millionaires just in England who are of Pakistani background.
So generalising is extremely foolish.

That is factually incorrect. And this is generalizing, what you're doing.

I've never said Pakistanis living abroad don't do their day to day jobs- obviously they have to do that to feed their families, like everyone else. But that's as far as they have reached in the last 50 odd years since early migration.

 

[Technics 1210]

So IK is lied?

Dont worry about what ik said? Plz read the thread title

Thought as much. You do worry about what IK said, to the extent you now believe him when it comes to overseas Pakistanis.

You got caught hook, line, and sinker. According to you IK is a liar but speaks the truth about overseas Pakistanis, a position you aspire to.

UKBF will have a belly of laughs. )

 

[Technics 1210]

Come on PDM sycophants, why do you want to flee Pakistan? IK is not in power anymore.

 

[daytrader]

IK wearing an American Eagle polo - doesn't come across as anti USA

 

[Energy]

And what world-leading things would that be? Specifically things that local Pakistanis have done which overseas Pakistanis haven't. You're generalizing thinking that all overseas Pakistanis are the same doing labour jobs. There's Pakistani professionals in all fields. What we lack though is a sense of communal organization like other diasporas. Pakistanis always seem to be in competition among themselves

That would be becoming a nobel laureate. Owning a unicorn company. Being a CEO of a global powerhouse. Being a chancellor of a major US/UK university. And many more.

Taking pride in doing day-to-day jobs is fine if you want to keep your ambitions low. But when you set expectations from local Pakistanis and critique them continuously then we can set high expectations from overseas diaspora also.

 

[ElRaja]

its a silly comment for a few reasons

1. whilst its true many immigrants often feel that they are not truly accepted in their adopted homeland many also realise that the "home" they long for is so changed over the time they have been away that they dont fit in their either.

2. imran needs to relate to a group for political reasons, and some people due to their own insecurities, however not everyone is desperate for a group identity, i as a second gen britpak couldnt care less whether someone thinks of me as british or pakistani, or neither. it simply doesn't bother me.

3. pakistan as a country has taken in millions of immigrants over its existence, such comments play into the hands of those who try to create ethnic and communal divisions.

i saw most of his interview and he came across well, but this was at best poorly worded, and at worst downright ignorant.

 

[Major]

Thought as much. You do worry about what IK said, to the extent you now believe him when it comes to overseas Pakistanis.

You got caught hook, line, and sinker. According to you IK is a liar but speaks the truth about overseas Pakistanis, a position you aspire to.

UKBF will have a belly of laughs. )

So IK lied?

 

[daytrader]

That would be becoming a nobel laureate. Owning a unicorn company. Being a CEO of a global powerhouse. Being a chancellor of a major US/UK university. And many more.

Taking pride in doing day-to-day jobs is fine if you want to keep your ambitions low. But when you set expectations from local Pakistanis and critique them continuously then we can set high expectations from overseas diaspora also.

But what I'm not understanding is why only hold OSPs to these high expectations? Is it because they have a greater opportunity in their host countries? Failing to see the logic

 

[Major]

But what I'm not understanding is why only hold OSPs to these high expectations? Is it because they have a greater opportunity in their host countries? Failing to see the logic

Overseas pakistanis go around bashing locals for their voting preferance and even call them jahils, beneficiary of corruption, sold on a biryani plate and what not.

While [MENTION=36958]Energy[/MENTION] has always maintained that overseas Pakistanis cant even out perform their indian counterparts, so who are they to bash the locals

 

[Technics 1210]

So IK lied?

According to you, IK does lie, yes, your posts are proof of this. Don't deny it. However IK is speaking the truth when it comes to overseas Pakistanis, also according to you, and also proven by your posts. The plight of the desperate.

Now, why do you want to flee Pakistan? To be a donkey painted in stripes for an overseas life when IK is not in power anymore?

Come on Major, where's your sand? Answer the question if you are truthful to your beloved nation - Pakistan.

 

[Energy]

But what I'm not understanding is why only hold OSPs to these high expectations? Is it because they have a greater opportunity in their host countries? Failing to see the logic

Yes. Because of better opportunities.

But also because been noticing on this forum, the chest thump and taking pride that they're based abroad and not in Pakistan.

 

[daytrader]

Overseas pakistanis go around bashing locals for their voting preferance and even call them jahils, beneficiary of corruption, sold on a biryani plate and what not.

While [MENTION=36958]Energy[/MENTION] has always maintained that overseas Pakistanis cant even out perform their indian counterparts, so who are they to bash the locals

Most successful Indian CEOs have an education and work experience from within India. They were locals that were picked up by International companies, not overseas Indians. Their success is not due to being in another country, they are in an another country because they were successful at home.

 

[Technics 1210]

Don't fall for the hype folks. IK is a liar when it comes to Pakistan, but is the truth when it comes to overseas Pakistanis. Boy I love ot, those desperate to flee are losing sleep yet will fling to the words of the enemy for solace.

Subhanallah.

 

[Major]

According to you, IK does lie, yes, your posts are proof of this. Don't deny it. However IK is speaking the truth when it comes to overseas Pakistanis, also according to you, and also proven by your posts. The plight of the desperate.

Now, why do you want to flee Pakistan? To be a donkey painted in stripes for an overseas life when IK is not in power anymore?

Come on Major, where's your sand? Answer the question if you are truthful to your beloved nation - Pakistan.

Did ik lie or not?

Also, i am not one living overseas, its you who is the donkey in zebra stripes acording to IK

 

[Major]

Don't fall for the hype folks. IK is a liar when it comes to Pakistan, but is the truth when it comes to overseas Pakistanis. Boy I love ot, those desperate to flee are losing sleep yet will fling to the words of the enemy for solace.

Subhanallah.

For some reaspn, you cant write that ik lied here...

 

[Technics 1210]

Most successful Indian CEOs have an education and work experience from within India. They were locals that were picked up by International companies, not overseas Indians. Their success is not due to being in another country, they are in an another country because they were successful at home.

Their success is due to rata and being subservient, not for being forward thinkers or inivators. Name me the top 3 Indian IT inventions in the West? So much so, they are not even Indians according to their native government.

No Indian CEO in the history of IT is considered a 'disruptor'. Heck, the Indian Twitter CEO is on his last legs.

 

[Major]

Most successful Indian CEOs have an education and work experience from within India. They were locals that were picked up by International companies, not overseas Indians. Their success is not due to being in another country, they are in an another country because they were successful at home.

And yet overseas pakistans had access to better education and facilities while living in west.

Point is they bash locals while they themselves cant outperform indians

 

[Technics 1210]

For some reaspn, you cant write that ik lied here...

No need to when your hypocrisy and desperation have been exposed. You are the one who calls IK a liar.

Millwall was it? Not even this clan would take you in.

 

[Major]

Their success is due to rata and being subservient, not for being forward thinkers or inivators. Name me the top 3 Indian IT inventions in the West? So much so, they are not even Indians according to their native government.

No Indian CEO in the history of IT is considered a 'disruptor'. Heck, the Indian Twitter CEO is on his last legs.

Just because you couldnt achieve something that indians do you label their education as rattafied..

Did you personally check their education level?

Chalo even if they are rattafied, stil top companies re hiring them. What about the overseas pakistanis who dont do ratta. Why are they missing out than?

 

[daytrader]

Yes. Because of better opportunities.

But also because been noticing on this forum, the chest thump and taking pride that they're based abroad and not in Pakistan.

If Pakistan wasn't looted by the chor gang for 35+ years, local Pakistanis would've had the same opportunities. There's not a single field remaining where Pakistan is excelling at except maybe local music and exporting mangos. OSPs have exposure to countries that are excelling in all walks. If they pinpoint the root cause problems of Pakistan, locals shouldn't be hurt. They should take that as constructive criticism rather than doubling down on hate against OSPs

 

[Technics 1210]

Just because you couldnt achieve something that indians do you label their education as rattafied..

Did you personally check their education level?

Chalo even if they are rattafied, stil top companies re hiring them. What about the overseas pakistanis who dont do ratta. Why are they missing out than?

Awww bless, defending Indians now because you couldn't answer why you want to flee Pakistan because you feel IK is speaking the 'truth' when it comes to overseas Pakistanis?

I look forward to seeing you on next season of UK Border Control - then again, not.

 

[Major]

If Pakistan wasn't looted by the chor gang for 35+ years, local Pakistanis would've had the same opportunities. There's not a single field remaining where Pakistan is excelling at except maybe local music and exporting mangos. OSPs have exposure to countries that are excelling in all walks. If they pinpoint the root cause problems of Pakistan, locals shouldn't be hurt. They should take that as constructive criticism rather than doubling down on hate against OSPs

Ok we locals have been stoped from excelling due to chor gang.

Again, what about the overseas that are already living their? Or does chor gang also effect them somehow due to no jurisdiction?

 

[daytrader]

And yet overseas pakistans had access to better education and facilities while living in west.

Point is they bash locals while they themselves cant outperform indians

The OSPs that have had the opportunity to study abroad are doing quite well, equivalent to Indians that also studied at those institutions. The Indians that you are referring to are the ones that received education in India, those are the Indians that are making it big. So really you should be comparing local populations of India and Pakistan rather than comparing overseas diasporas to each other

 

[daytrader]

Ok we locals have been stoped from excelling due to chor gang.

Again, what about the overseas that are already living their? Or does chor gang also effect them somehow due to no jurisdiction?

what makes you think overseas Pakistanis are not excelling

 

[Technics 1210]

These PDM supporters claimed IK was lying since the day he came to power. Now they believe IK is speaking the truth when it come to overseas Pakistanis. (Stockholm syndrome).

Simple question again, why are PDM supporters desperate to flee Pakistan now that IK is not in power? To have their backsides painted in stripes?

 

[Technics 1210]

what makes you think overseas Pakistanis are not excelling

Dude come on, IK is the reason! IK is now a messiah for these PDM plebibiums! IK is now the messiah for visa/asylum rejects.

 

[Major]

These PDM supporters claimed IK was lying since the day he came to power. Now they believe IK is speaking the truth when it come to overseas Pakistanis. (Stockholm syndrome).

Simple question again, why are PDM supporters desperate to flee Pakistan now that IK is not in power? To have their backsides painted in stripes?

Well its your own leader that called you a donkey not yes.

Apparently, you are not respected and dont have any prestige and could only that only in pakistan.

Not my words, his words.

Unless, you admit ik is a liar

 

[Energy]

If Pakistan wasn't looted by the chor gang for 35+ years, local Pakistanis would've had the same opportunities. There's not a single field remaining where Pakistan is excelling at except maybe local music and exporting mangos. OSPs have exposure to countries that are excelling in all walks. If they pinpoint the root cause problems of Pakistan, locals shouldn't be hurt. They should take that as constructive criticism rather than doubling down on hate against OSPs

The problem is that criticism isn't constructive enough, it is condescending.

 

[Technics 1210]

Well its your own leader that called you a donkey not yes.

Apparently, you are not respected and dont have any prestige and could only that only in pakistan.

Not my words, his words.

Unless, you admit ik is a liar

IK words are truth to you when it comes to overseas Pakistanis.

Now why do you want to flee Pakistan to have your backside painted in stripes?

 

[Technics 1210]

The problem is that criticism isn't constructive enough, it is condescending.

Daily Star and Daily Mail not condescending enough?

Move on, we can see the sensationalism and lies, and by we, born and bred.

 

[Major]

Daily Star and Daily Mail not condescending enough?

Move on, we can see the sensationalism and lies, and by we, born and bred donkeys.

fixed

 

[Stewie]

But imran could have meant anything. Maybe he also refered to the second gen pakistanis..

Because in this same interview he even went on to say overseas pakistan cant earn the respect which they have in Pakistan

I am an overseas Pakistani and what he is saying is absolutely correct from a social stand point (where he is coming from)
Its the economic, law and ordered and opportunities presented in the west that convince Pakistanis to stay here rather than Pakistan.

But that does not make what he is saying untrue or false. If we had the same opportunities in Pakistan and the law and order situation was better, we would all move back home. I think thats not even up for debate.

 

[Major]

I am an overseas Pakistani and what he is saying is absolutely correct from a social stand point (where he is coming from)
Its the economic, law and ordered and opportunities presented in the west that convince Pakistanis to stay here rather than Pakistan.

But that does not make what he is saying untrue or false. If we had the same opportunities in Pakistan and the law and order situation was better, we would all move back home. I think thats not even up for debate.

well IK did came into power. Shouldn't have the people return back home when he was PM if they have faith in him? or did IK fail to make the country a better place for the overseas?

 

[Technics 1210]

fixed

You don’t even know what Daily Star/Mail is. Such desperation.

Now why do you want to flee Pakistan to become a donkey?

 

[Technics 1210]

Just remember folks, ask yourself, why are PDM supporters desperate to flee Pakistan? Is it because IK is speaking the contrived truth according to them, must love being lashed as a donkey. Lol.

 

[Stewie]

well IK did came into power. Shouldn't have the people return back home when he was PM if they have faith in him? or did IK fail to make the country a better place for the overseas?

Fortunately, most of us are smart enough to recognize that decades and decades of ruination, a culture of corruption and the systemic issues the country has do not get resolved overnight, over 5 years or even 10 years.


The sort of turnaround we need will take close to 20 years of sustained and consistent effort from honest people, not just Imran Khan. He cannot fix everything in 3-5 years by waving a magic wand. What he can do is provide a good start, show us the way, and hold the corrupt people accountable. Unfortunately, the system is fighting back. The judiciary is all bought and paid for by the establishment crooks.

As they say, "avey ka ava bigra hua hai" we can support IK and hope he wins and fixes the country but no... for the sake of our children, I dont think we will come back to Pakistan. I am man enough to admit this. If some people did, I have nothing but respect for their bravery.

 

[Technics 1210]

Just call out the hypocrisy and desperation of PDM supporters and watch them implode.

They believe IK is a liar, but IK speaks the truth when it comes to overseas Pakistanis.

If so, why are PDM supporters desperate to flee Pakistan? I couldn’t get an answer from the fake-stars, any answers on a postcard please - fo’real.

 

[daytrader]

well IK did came into power. Shouldn't have the people return back home when he was PM if they have faith in him? or did IK fail to make the country a better place for the overseas?

He's awoken a sleeping nation. We are moving away form dynastic politics, the young and educated are getting involved - leaders are being asked for accountability. IK has set a high bar, other leaders will now have to do stuff like answer tough questions on live podcasts such as this. The future is only bright insha'Allah.

 

[topspin]

Totally agree.

Overseas Pakistanis are epic failures, they have achieved nothing. They have been outclassed by their Indian counterparts in every country.

Indians are running some of the biggest companies in the world - can anyone name a single major company with a Pakistani CEO?

In fairness, Indians have outclassed every other ethnic group, not just Pakistanis.

I agree however UK Pakistanis have failed miserably and have rather become a source of embarrassment.

American Pakistanis however are doing very well for themselves and should be proud of their accomplishments. They're well educated and are certainly thriving.

 

[DRsohail]

) he said this about overseas pakistanis???

I bet junaid akram laughed at this

You think he called them donkeys?

 

[Stewie]

A lahoria is an NFL owner

 

[Usman]

Totally agree.

Overseas Pakistanis are epic failures, they have achieved nothing. They have been outclassed by their Indian counterparts in every country.

Indians are running some of the biggest companies in the world - can anyone name a single major company with a Pakistani CEO?

Zameer Choudrey, also known as Baron Choudrey, is the CEO of Bestway, which is the UK's eleventh-largest privately owned business with an annual turnover of £3.4 billion. Baron Choudrey is one of the richest men in the United Kingdom.

 

[Mamoon]

A lahoria is an NFL owner

To be fair, the most successful Pakistani businessman/figure in the West, i.e. Shahid Khan, can be employed a personal butler of the most successful businessman in India (Ambani), who didn’t have to leave his country to build a business empire that is worth 10x more than Shahid Khan’s.

 

[Varun]

Zameer Choudrey, also known as Baron Choudrey, is the CEO of Bestway, which is the UK's eleventh-largest privately owned business with an annual turnover of £3.4 billion. Baron Choudrey is one of the richest men in the United Kingdom.

If that 'eleventh largest' and 'one of the richest' is all they've got to show for it after 2 and a half generations and hundreds of thousands of immigrants, it proves the point completely.

 

[JaDed]

To be fair, the most successful Pakistani businessman/figure in the West, i.e. Shahid Khan, can be employed a personal butler of the most successful businessman in India (Ambani), who didn’t have to leave his country to build a business empire that is worth 10x more than Shahid Khan’s.

Stop saying things just to provoke people even Indian posters don’t troll like that.

 

[NishanKonar]

To be fair, the most successful Pakistani businessman/figure in the West, i.e. Shahid Khan, can be employed a personal butler of the most successful businessman in India (Ambani), who didn’t have to leave his country to build a business empire that is worth 10x more than Shahid Khan’s.

I think you should be proud of what Shahid Khan achieved. He should be role model for Pakistanis. Its not easy to go abroad and set up a billion dollar business

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's a quote taken out of context. If you read Imran's biography you would have seen that he had immense pride in British Pakistanis when he toured this country. He revelled in their unapolagetic support for the players, Pakistan supporters during those time were similar to what you get in football in the Premier League.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If that 'eleventh largest' and 'one of the richest' is all they've got to show for it after 2 and a half generations and hundreds of thousands of immigrants, it proves the point completely.

What point does it prove? You have lost me my Indian friend.

 

[Usman]

If that 'eleventh largest' and 'one of the richest' is all they've got to show for it after 2 and a half generations and hundreds of thousands of immigrants, it proves the point completely.

Proves what? Sorry but you’re making no sense. Bestway is one of the most successful businesses in this country, and in fact I am not aware of any other south Asian owned business in this country that is more successful. Sorry this doesn’t fit the narrative which you and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] would like to spread.

And on that subject, after proudly professing that there are no Pakistani CEOs of a major company in the west, Mamoon then ignores my post when I show that he’s talking nonsense. That says it all really.

 

[Major]

It's a quote taken out of context. If you read Imran's biography you would have seen that he had immense pride in British Pakistanis when he toured this country. He revelled in their unapolagetic support for the players, Pakistan supporters during those time were similar to what you get in football in the Premier League.

Plz... The guy himself on camera has said, that pakistanis dont feel respected nor get any prestige while living there INCLUDING HIMSELF.

He doesnt even consider it his home.

Like imran said, a donkey stays a donkey