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This took place in London, Ontario. The restaurant terminated the waiter immediately. I wonder if this is how our Afghan neighbors truly feel about Pakistanis deep down?
 
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This took place in London, Ontario. The resteraunt terminated the waiter immediately. I wonder if this is how our Afghan neighbours truly feel about Pakistanis deep down?

Yes, take one incident of one person, and apply it to the entire nation and spread the hate to both nations. As an Indian, this is what I want you to do.
 
The Afghan man will rue his behavior soon. In this day and age one cannot go on a rant like this and expect to go scot free. He should apologize fast and hope that this incident is forgotten soon.
 
As a pashtun I generally like Afghanis but there are some racists there as well just like on our side.

What I find funny is the racist Afghanis call us "brown" and what not when most I've met are browner than me. Not that it matters but it's a weird way to feel superior.
 
As a pashtun I generally like Afghanis but there are some racists there as well just like on our side.

What I find funny is the racist Afghanis call us "brown" and what not when most I've met are browner than me. Not that it matters but it's a weird way to feel superior.

From what I have seen some Afghans tend to be more racist towards Pakistani Pashtuns then other Pakistanis/ I don't know what this but thats something I have noticed.

@ Topic: Not only is the guy racist and can be potentially arrested for waving the knife around, this was also a very bad business move. Pakistanis generally make up up the majority of customers for Afghani restaurants in Ontario so if even a portion of Pakistanis i boycott the restaurant they will take a massive financial hit. especially with COVID around
 
Looks like these gals provoked him....

That's possible but he needs to come out and clarify what provoked him to the point where he had to wave a butcher knife around while uttering threats and racial slurs. From what I understand the Pakistani community in that city has already taken legal actions against the restaurant so the dude better have a good explanation to what "provoked" him.
 
The guy looks mentally ill. Maybe he just had a hard time in life and he loses his temper frequently. Anyway hope he gets better.
 
This is one isolated incident. Making conclusions of this would be foolhardy
 
Pretty sure a significant number of his family (may be him too) have fake Pakistani IDs
 
I'm so happy that this isn't Bamiyan Kabob. That restaurant is an absolute gem.
 
Seems to be traumatised at Pakistan for some reason. Poor soul.
 
That's possible but he needs to come out and clarify what provoked him to the point where he had to wave a butcher knife around while uttering threats and racial slurs. From what I understand the Pakistani community in that city has already taken legal actions against the restaurant so the dude better have a good explanation to what "provoked" him.

Why record a reaction?. It's easy to antagonize and elicit a response
 
Truly awful behaviour Hes representing a restaurant Doesnt look like he has any brains and how itd affect the restaurants reputation

In this day and age of multi cultualism this behaviour is unacceptable
 
Had this case be in New Jersey, this guy and restaurant owner would have paid a very heavy price , community here would have taken all the legal options available.

Hope this guy is in psych ward or in police custody by now, he's crazy.
 
It does make you wonder why there is a proportion of Afghans who are very bitter towards Pakistan. Is it because they think parts of the Khyber region belong to them? Not easy to navigate who is who in this scenario as there seems to be so many ethnic and territorial disputes within Afghans themselves.
 
Has he been reported to the Police? In UK, this would constitute a hate crime. I'm assuming it would be similar in Canada.

Should be hauled up in front of the courts and given a criminal record so the wet wipe never mind working in a restaurant, finds it hard to get a job anywhere else.

Even though some restaurants may not hire on the books or do criminal background checks, the fact he's been recorded on video and shamed is a good start.
 
My experience in US is that except only some very religious Afghans ( even not all of them) most have EXTREME hatred towards Pakistan. It is up to level where if you ask them a question in Urdu, they will reply in English. Their reasons are mixed but mostly they believe all the war in Afghanistan is due to our military adventurism. They readily state us pakistanis describing their country as strategic depth etc. Moreover, many believe Pakistan to be root of all violence in Afghanistan and it’s perpetuation as well via Quetta and Haqqanis etc. I disagree but I have some very likeable and rational Afghans go totally nuts in a matter of seconds when it comes to Pakistan. Somewhere in history we have imprinted a very deep negative sore on Afghan consciousness and it is very sad
 
I don't like racist Afghans but I think the best option is go forgive, be the bigger person. No point destroying someone's life. He will remember your goodness all his life. His family is probably dependent on his income too, why make life hard for them?
 
My experience in US is that except only some very religious Afghans ( even not all of them) most have EXTREME hatred towards Pakistan. It is up to level where if you ask them a question in Urdu, they will reply in English. Their reasons are mixed but mostly they believe all the war in Afghanistan is due to our military adventurism. They readily state us pakistanis describing their country as strategic depth etc. Moreover, many believe Pakistan to be root of all violence in Afghanistan and it’s perpetuation as well via Quetta and Haqqanis etc. I disagree but I have some very likeable and rational Afghans go totally nuts in a matter of seconds when it comes to Pakistan. Somewhere in history we have imprinted a very deep negative sore on Afghan consciousness and it is very sad

What would be Pakistan's military adventurism in Afghanistan? Did Pak try to annex some part of it? All the military cross border stuff was during the cold war when the US was funneling arms through Pakistan and it was a joint effort to get the Russians out of there. There is a no mans land on the border where the Pashtuns rule on either side, but that is the same for Pakistan as well.

In any case whatever the beef, imagined or real, doesn't excuse the racism. If it was one man then you could shrug it off, but there definitely seems to be some hate being stoked from somewhere towards Pakistan.
 
I recall going back a few years ago right here on PP, there used to be 3 or 4 Afghani posters and all of them too seemed to post about Pakistan with blood dripping off their keyboards.

At least with India - Pakistan it's the devil you know, but the AfPak rivalry online and offline is intriguing and is right up there with inter-South Asian enmities.
 
Well the waiter should be charged for hate crime. I have my share of altercation in GTA with Afghans, some were fine but some were down right racist against Pakistanis. This is totally unacceptable. Why isn't this making the news. I kinda liked Bamiyan franchise but I think it is time to boycott until apology comes out.
 
Afghans hating Pakistan and this being an isolated incident.

Give a me break.
 
What would be Pakistan's military adventurism in Afghanistan? Did Pak try to annex some part of it? All the military cross border stuff was during the cold war when the US was funneling arms through Pakistan and it was a joint effort to get the Russians out of there. There is a no mans land on the border where the Pashtuns rule on either side, but that is the same for Pakistan as well.

In any case whatever the beef, imagined or real, doesn't excuse the racism. If it was one man then you could shrug it off, but there definitely seems to be some hate being stoked from somewhere towards Pakistan.
I agree. By any rational and honest reading of history, Pakistan itself is a victim of Cold War. But then patriotic jingoism is seldom rational. And sometimes, especially in older Pakistani generations, I have seen some big brotherly patronising of Afghanistan as a weaker state and strategic depth. Not helpful.

Anyways, no amount of enmity validates horrible and discourteous verbal abuse. But seeing some replies here I thought that many PPers seem to have no context of angered afghan attitude towards Pakistan. Just wanted to explain some of it.
 
This hatred seems to have kicked off more so in the last 10 or so years. Prior to this ( other posters can correct me if I am wrong) the relationship was a lot better.

I think Pakistan sent back a lot of refugees which angered a lot of Afghanis and the situation has went downhill . I don't buy the line about blaming Pakistan for the soviet invasion, this is a recent trend.

Overall I can see the reasons why Afghanis are bitter. Their country has been used for war games by major superpowers and neighbouring countries.
 
This is not a one off incident. World cup 2019 wasn't too long ago. Afghans come from a very different culture and upbringing perhaps due to have grown up in a restrictive war torn country. They see Pakistan as their enemy even though Pakistan took in millions of refugees and facilitated their war against the Soviets. Pakistan is no saint either though. They need to stop backing certain ideological movements and groups in Afghanistan if they haven't already.
 
I knew there were some conflicts but seeing this and the crowd riot during the Pak-Afg world came, Afghanis seems to have deeper hate for Pakistan than Indians or even Bangladeshis despite having a longer conflict with Pakistan.

Wonder where it comes from, I thought Pakistan helped Afghan in the 80’s?
 
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This took place in London, Ontario. The restaurant terminated the waiter immediately. I wonder if this is how our Afghan neighbors truly feel about Pakistanis deep down?

Also the man who racially abused the people is not a waiter. He is one of the partners. The other partner has apparently barred him from his own establishment. Whatever that means. But point is the abuser is one of the owners not an employee.
 
What would be Pakistan's military adventurism in Afghanistan? Did Pak try to annex some part of it? All the military cross border stuff was during the cold war when the US was funneling arms through Pakistan and it was a joint effort to get the Russians out of there. There is a no mans land on the border where the Pashtuns rule on either side, but that is the same for Pakistan as well.

In any case whatever the beef, imagined or real, doesn't excuse the racism. If it was one man then you could shrug it off, but there definitely seems to be some hate being stoked from somewhere towards Pakistan.

Also many people forget that it was Afghanistan's government who tried many times to attack KPK and openly supported Pashtunistan movement as soon as we were made in 1947. They kept it up for decades till the Afghan War and were one of the last nations to recognise us.
 
I knew there were some conflicts but seeing this and the crowd riot during the Pak-Afg world came, Afghanis seems to have deeper hate for Pakistan than Indians or even Bangladeshis despite having a longer conflict with Pakistan.

Wonder where it comes from, I thought Pakistan helped Afghan in the 80’s?

I think the conflict goes back before creation of Pakistan. There were territorial disputes historically between India and Afghanistan where Punjab fought wars with Afghans. Sikh and Afghan enmity still holds firm in memories of both sides. I think some of this enmity has been transferred to Pakistan as they are now on the border in place of the Indians.
 
I think the conflict goes back before creation of Pakistan. There were territorial disputes historically between India and Afghanistan where Punjab fought wars with Afghans. Sikh and Afghan enmity still holds firm in memories of both sides. I think some of this enmity has been transferred to Pakistan as they are now on the border in place of the Indians.

But they don’t seem to have the same animosity for Indians? I am sure they have their own racial or religious prejudices against Indians and I don’t mean that as an accusation but just from a perspective of common human behavior but it seems a lot more intense when it comes to Pakistan and I don’t think this guy or the crowd after the WC match seem like what you would call history enthusiasts. There has so much crap that has transpired in Afghan since 1947 may be their own doing and some due to foreign power involvement that it will be funny if their biggest gripe is due to what happened in 1309 AD or something.
 
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But they don’t seem to have the same animosity for Indians? I am sure they have their own racial or religious prejudices against Indians and I don’t mean that as an accusation but just from a perspective of common human behavior but it seems a lot more intense when it comes to Pakistan and I don’t think this guy or the crowd after the WC match seem like what you would call history enthusiasts. There has so much crap that has transpired in Afghan since 1947 may be their own doing and some due to foreign power involvement that it will be funny if their biggest gripe is due to what happened in 1309 AD or something.

Their hatred is exclusive to the Punjabis in Pakistan.

Heard names like Ranjit Singh Ki Aulad, Heera Mandi and Daal Khors.

They call us Daal Khors yet say they love Indians.

As a Punjabi I couldn't care less about the state of their country. We did not invade and loot their lands for centuries.

Getting a taste of their own medicine now.
 
That's possible but he needs to come out and clarify what provoked him to the point where he had to wave a butcher knife around while uttering threats and racial slurs. From what I understand the Pakistani community in that city has already taken legal actions against the restaurant so the dude better have a good explanation to what "provoked" him.

It doesn't matter what provoked him. If the customer was out of line, sure you can raise your voice, be firm and tell them to get out but you can't cross the line with racist profanities. Any credible organization will terminate an employee caught red handed on camera behaving like this with immediate effect
 
My experience in US is that except only some very religious Afghans ( even not all of them) most have EXTREME hatred towards Pakistan. It is up to level where if you ask them a question in Urdu, they will reply in English. Their reasons are mixed but mostly they believe all the war in Afghanistan is due to our military adventurism. They readily state us pakistanis describing their country as strategic depth etc. Moreover, many believe Pakistan to be root of all violence in Afghanistan and it’s perpetuation as well via Quetta and Haqqanis etc. I disagree but I have some very likeable and rational Afghans go totally nuts in a matter of seconds when it comes to Pakistan. Somewhere in history we have imprinted a very deep negative sore on Afghan consciousness and it is very sad

Afghanistan opposed the creation of Pakistan in 1947. The Afghan Pak animosity started from there.
 
It doesn't matter what provoked him. If the customer was out of line, sure you can raise your voice, be firm and tell them to get out but you can't cross the line with racist profanities. Any credible organization will terminate an employee caught red handed on camera behaving like this with immediate effect

Unless this goes into his criminal record, he likely will be fine. People leave and join restaurant business like Pakistani team changing openers, so he will be fine. But there's a real possibility this goes into his record, and if it does, he is in serious trouble.
 
Lol Iranians despise Pakistanis, Afghans despise Pakistanis, Bangladeshis despise Pakistanis.

Indians don't despise Pakistanis but just have a rivalry and an emotional volatile insecurity with Pakistan
 
Their hatred is exclusive to the Punjabis in Pakistan.

Heard names like Ranjit Singh Ki Aulad, Heera Mandi and Daal Khors.

They call us Daal Khors yet say they love Indians.

As a Punjabi I couldn't care less about the state of their country. We did not invade and loot their lands for centuries.

Getting a taste of their own medicine now.
Very intriguing... They're not far off as Punjabis are sons of ranjit
 
Pakistan accepted and looked after millions of Afghan refugees for over 30 years and gets no thanks except for the introduction of drugs and guns in Pakistan by Afghans. Afghans denigrate Pakistan at every opportunity.
 
Seems to be traumatised at Pakistan for some reason. Poor soul.

Thats something to wonder. After all, Pakistan has played a king maker in bringing Afghanistan to its best glory days for the last 4 decades and continues to do so by helping install a good Taliban government there. Some ungrateful bunch I must say!
 
Unless this goes into his criminal record, he likely will be fine. People leave and join restaurant business like Pakistani team changing openers, so he will be fine. But there's a real possibility this goes into his record, and if it does, he is in serious trouble.

It all depends upon how the local Pakistani community react on this matter. Hope they will show some guts and make sure this crazy guy faces punishment for hate crime . Least they can do is file a report against the owner of the restaurant and drag him/her into court and let him spend lots of money for his defence and this guy ends up in jail.
 
Lol Iranians despise Pakistanis, Afghans despise Pakistanis, Bangladeshis despise Pakistanis.

Indians don't despise Pakistanis but just have a rivalry and an emotional volatile insecurity with Pakistan

You sound really proud, uncaring or habituated about this (from the lol).
 
Very intriguing... They're not far off as Punjabis are sons of ranjit

Lol at being sons of Ranjit. You’re talking about an empire which was established only ~200 years ago and lasted a short while. So all things considered it’s place in history is minimal. And for most of its existence it was almost a protectorate of the British empire..
 
Lol at being sons of Ranjit. You’re talking about an empire which was established only ~200 years ago and lasted a short while. So all things considered it’s place in history is minimal. And for most of its existence it was almost a protectorate of the British empire..

Very intriguing... They're not far off as Punjabis are sons of ranjit


Uh Islam's presence in Punjab and the subcontinent is WAY older than that of Sikhism. Sikhism was only founded 400 years ago and it's theorized that it was a reactionary movement against the expansion of Islam in Norther Indian subcontinent. Also Ranjit Singh had persecuted Punjabi and Kashmiri Muslims, a lot of Afghans and even Indian Sikhs don't understand that Ranjit Singh was never looked upon fondly by the Muslims in Punjab and Kashmir whom Ranjit had lorded over, he was an oppressor for us the same way Abdali was.
 
There are some interesting google reviews about same person same restaurant, those who are living nearby, report him to police file a lawsuit, I am sure pakistani community will back you if you need help.
 
Pakistan accepted and looked after millions of Afghan refugees for over 30 years and gets no thanks except for the introduction of drugs and guns in Pakistan by Afghans. Afghans denigrate Pakistan at every opportunity.

To be fair, those refugees took full advantage of a porous border and just walked in. Pakistan didn't do anything to expedite that, unlike say Germany accepting Syrian immigrants.
 
Lol Iranians despise Pakistanis, Afghans despise Pakistanis, Bangladeshis despise Pakistanis.

Indians don't despise Pakistanis but just have a rivalry and an emotional volatile insecurity with Pakistan

If I was a Pakistani, I would still put Afghans closer than the indians. Better to be enemies with a lion than be friends with a fox.
 
But they don’t seem to have the same animosity for Indians? I am sure they have their own racial or religious prejudices against Indians and I don’t mean that as an accusation but just from a perspective of common human behavior but it seems a lot more intense when it comes to Pakistan and I don’t think this guy or the crowd after the WC match seem like what you would call history enthusiasts. There has so much crap that has transpired in Afghan since 1947 may be their own doing and some due to foreign power involvement that it will be funny if their biggest gripe is due to what happened in 1309 AD or something.

Afghans are more religious than Pakistanis in general. I heard that some hardcore Afghans refer to Pakistanis disparagingly as hindus, therefore they regard them in some ways worse than Indians who at least actually are hindus. When ( in their minds) Pakistan is dismantled, their attention will once more focus on India as their true enemy.

I am speaking in general terms of course, not all Afghans think like this, I am just referring to the mentally ill type like in the OP.
 
I'm not sure if you can call it racism or colorism. But there's a general tendency to look down upon people with a darker shade in south asia. The darker your shade is, the more likelihood there is of you being looked down upon due to the rampant colorism in the subcontinent. It's why the Afghans tend to look down on the Pakistanis, who in turn look down on the Bangladeshis and Indians, and even in India, the north Indians tend to look down on the south Indians. And you can be pretty sure that, south asians, no matter from which country or region, are universally racist against blacks in general. It doesn't matter if you belong to a region with much better social development indicators, at the end of the day, people tend to take the skin complexion way too seriously in south asia. If it was purely based on social development, the Sri Lankans would have to look down on south Indians and Bangladeshis, who in turn can look down on north Indians, who in turn on the Pakistanis, who themselves can look down on the Afghans for the state of their country.

But that's a common phenomenon in the subcontinent and not the only reason, or even the main reason why the Afghans have negative sentiments towards the Pakistanis. One reason is that there is a history of bad blood between Afghans and Punjabis during the Ranjit Singh era when they had a lot of run ins with each other. The Afghans hence often use the Ranjit Singh slur word for Pak Punjabis even though the latter have no affiliation with Ranjit Singh emotionally, as compared to say the Indian Sikh Punjabis.

Another reason is due to a far more recent event. I was reading a book about the Soviet Afghan war once and remember reading an interesting anecdote in the book. When the Taliban were taking over the country, many of the militia were allegedly made up of members from the Pakistani Punjab region who spoke a language that wasn't understood by the local Pashtuns and Tajiks in Afghanistan and that was supposedly when a deep seated resentment for the "foreigner" Punjabis began to arise among the local Afghans. The tussle between Afghanistan and Pakistan goes back a long way and it's not a black and white issue where one party is good and the other is bad. But I remember reading about the reason behind a negative sentiment towards the Pakistanis, particularly Punjabis, among the local Afghans in that particular book (can't remember the name of it).

There is certainly a feeling among at least some Afghans that Pakistan is currently occupying regions that historical belonged to Afghanistan once, something that they call the "greater Pashtunistan", nevermind the people in KPK and FATA regions don't reciprocate the same feelings to be a part of Afghanistan. It's why I think Afghanistan refused to recognise Pakistan initially after independence if I'm correct.
 
I'm not sure if you can call it racism or colorism. But there's a general tendency to look down upon people with a darker shade in south asia. The darker your shade is, the more likelihood there is of you being looked down upon due to the rampant colorism in the subcontinent. It's why the Afghans tend to look down on the Pakistanis, who in turn look down on the Bangladeshis and Indians, and even in India, the north Indians tend to look down on the south Indians.

Very naive and simplistic interpretation. People look down on each other for many reasons. It is not simply color of skin. There is no such hierarchy when it comes to looking down on others.
 
Very naive and simplistic interpretation. People look down on each other for many reasons. It is not simply color of skin. There is no such hierarchy when it comes to looking down on others.

Well, colorism is something that stares you in your face if you happen to live in the subcontinent, particularly if you're of a darker complexion, not sure how you can deny it. Sure, people do tend to look down on people for a multitude of reasons like religion, class, caste, etc. But even if you find a common ground in these areas, colour is still a pretty major factor in the subcontinent.

It's why even when the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis belonged to the same religion, the West Pakistanis tended to look down on the East Pakistanis when the war happened. Sure, the imposition of urdu and the subversion of elections were the tipping point, but even before all that happened, the negative stereotype of "dark skinned and small Bengalis" used to be quite common in erstwhile West Pakistan.
 
I'm not sure if you can call it racism or colorism. But there's a general tendency to look down upon people with a darker shade in south asia. The darker your shade is, the more likelihood there is of you being looked down upon due to the rampant colorism in the subcontinent. It's why the Afghans tend to look down on the Pakistanis, who in turn look down on the Bangladeshis and Indians, and even in India, the north Indians tend to look down on the south Indians. And you can be pretty sure that, south asians, no matter from which country or region, are universally racist against blacks in general. It doesn't matter if you belong to a region with much better social development indicators, at the end of the day, people tend to take the skin complexion way too seriously in south asia. If it was purely based on social development, the Sri Lankans would have to look down on south Indians and Bangladeshis, who in turn can look down on north Indians, who in turn on the Pakistanis, who themselves can look down on the Afghans for the state of their country.

But that's a common phenomenon in the subcontinent and not the only reason, or even the main reason why the Afghans have negative sentiments towards the Pakistanis. One reason is that there is a history of bad blood between Afghans and Punjabis during the Ranjit Singh era when they had a lot of run ins with each other. The Afghans hence often use the Ranjit Singh slur word for Pak Punjabis even though the latter have no affiliation with Ranjit Singh emotionally, as compared to say the Indian Sikh Punjabis.

Another reason is due to a far more recent event. I was reading a book about the Soviet Afghan war once and remember reading an interesting anecdote in the book. When the Taliban were taking over the country, many of the militia were allegedly made up of members from the Pakistani Punjab region who spoke a language that wasn't understood by the local Pashtuns and Tajiks in Afghanistan and that was supposedly when a deep seated resentment for the "foreigner" Punjabis began to arise among the local Afghans. The tussle between Afghanistan and Pakistan goes back a long way and it's not a black and white issue where one party is good and the other is bad. But I remember reading about the reason behind a negative sentiment towards the Pakistanis, particularly Punjabis, among the local Afghans in that particular book (can't remember the name of it).

There is certainly a feeling among at least some Afghans that Pakistan is currently occupying regions that historical belonged to Afghanistan once, something that they call the "greater Pashtunistan", nevermind the people in KPK and FATA regions don't reciprocate the same feelings to be a part of Afghanistan. It's why I think Afghanistan refused to recognise Pakistan initially after independence if I'm correct.


I think that is the best post so far (apart from mine) which has got the essence of Afghan/Pakistan mistrust in recent times. Definitely there is a Punjab/Afghan thing going on which was a leftover from Sikh/Afghan wars before the creation of Pakistan, and also we have the grey areas where Punjab and Khyber territories meet.
 
Well, colorism is something that stares you in your face if you happen to live in the subcontinent, particularly if you're of a darker complexion, not sure how you can deny it. Sure, people do tend to look down on people for a multitude of reasons like religion, class, caste, etc. But even if you find a common ground in these areas, colour is still a pretty major factor in the subcontinent.

It's why even when the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis belonged to the same religion, the West Pakistanis tended to look down on the East Pakistanis when the war happened. Sure, the imposition of urdu and the subversion of elections were the tipping point, but even before all that happened, the negative stereotype of "dark skinned and small Bengalis" used to be quite common in erstwhile West Pakistan.

It is not because someone is dark skinned or small that you hate them, it is because you hate them that you hatred finds an expression in their physical attributes.
 
Uh Islam's presence in Punjab and the subcontinent is WAY older than that of Sikhism. Sikhism was only founded 400 years ago and it's theorized that it was a reactionary movement against the expansion of Islam in Norther Indian subcontinent. Also Ranjit Singh had persecuted Punjabi and Kashmiri Muslims, a lot of Afghans and even Indian Sikhs don't understand that Ranjit Singh was never looked upon fondly by the Muslims in Punjab and Kashmir whom Ranjit had lorded over, he was an oppressor for us the same way Abdali was.

Yet he has a statue and the cultural impact is quite significant
 
It is not because someone is dark skinned or small that you hate them, it is because you hate them that you hatred finds an expression in their physical attributes.

People hate things that are different to what they perceive to be the normal. That may be language, religion, culture, etc.

And I would say physical complexion and attributes is quite a distinct factor when it comes to racism. If the blacks didn't look any different to the whites, there wouldn't have been nearly as much racism as black people had to actually endure over the course of history.
 
People hate things that are different to what they perceive to be the normal. That may be language, religion, culture, etc.

And I would say physical complexion and attributes is quite a distinct factor when it comes to racism. If the blacks didn't look any different to the whites, there wouldn't have been nearly as much racism as black people had to actually endure over the course of history.

That means blacks hate the whites because whites look different to them?
 
Doesn't matter what they feel as they didn't have the privilege over the white people throughout history as much as it was the other way around.

I didn't ask whether it matters or not. So you say that blacks hate whites because they look different to them?
 
I didn't ask whether it matters or not. So you say that blacks hate whites because they look different to them?

You're arguing false equivalence between blacks and whites when racism has always had its basis on inequivalence between communities.
 
An idiot. That's all that needs to be said. I feel bad for the other staff who work there, the business will almost certainly be affected because of this idiot.
 
Yet he has a statue and the cultural impact is quite significant

That was actually very recent and by the previous government, unfortunately there are some Punjabi nationalists on the far left but the vast majority of Pakistani Punjabis don't know or care about Ranjit Singh and the fact is that he was an oppressive tyrant, Pakistan also has missiles named after Abdali so that doesn't change history.
 
You're arguing false equivalence between blacks and whites when racism has always had its basis on inequivalence between communities.

Oh I thought just a while ago you said that people hate those who look different, now you are saying that it is false and only the dominant hates the weaker because they look different?
 
The Afghan diaspora seems to be very toxic. Unfortunately their rhetoric seems to be leaking into general Pashtun circles which is causing serious disputes between them.
 
Oh I thought just a while ago you said that people hate those who look different, now you are saying that it is false and only the dominant hates the weaker because they look different?

I'm saying a lot of upper caste hindus tend to hate Dalits as they belong to a different caste.

You're asking me if Dalits hate upper caste hindus too as they belong to a different caste. False equivalence.
 
i think its a case of the neighbor has finally woken up and is emerging from the soviet, US shadows. Afghans no longer need the refugee camps of Pakistan and all of a sudden they have an over inflated ego that needs fulfilling.

Many run ins with our neighbors at Headingly i did try and question a few as to why there was so much animosity, Afghans were very vocal in their displeasure for Pakistan but they couldn't explain to you why, comparing this to the many Pak vs India games i have been to all around the world, hardly ever seen anything other than a few words being exchanged in the name of banter. One would think we partitioned from Afghanistan rather than india the way they behave.
 
i think its a case of the neighbor has finally woken up and is emerging from the soviet, US shadows. Afghans no longer need the refugee camps of Pakistan and all of a sudden they have an over inflated ego that needs fulfilling.

Many run ins with our neighbors at Headingly i did try and question a few as to why there was so much animosity, Afghans were very vocal in their displeasure for Pakistan but they couldn't explain to you why, comparing this to the many Pak vs India games i have been to all around the world, hardly ever seen anything other than a few words being exchanged in the name of banter. One would think we partitioned from Afghanistan rather than india the way they behave.

Rise of internet has also seen a lot of trolling and misinformation being planted by bots. You get dedicated groups posting propaganda, and quite often the simpler folk can't tell the difference of what is planted and what is true. That would explain why when you ask for an explanation they struggle to give one. They don't even realise they are being played.
 
I'm saying a lot of upper caste hindus tend to hate Dalits as they belong to a different caste.

You're asking me if Dalits hate upper caste hindus too as they belong to a different caste. False equivalence.

So you should have qualified the statement that people hate others who look different. You actually meant that it is white people who hate blacks because blacks are different. But blacks don't hate whites or anyone else because they are different. Got it. This is what you want to say. I was merely trying to educate myself
 
I'm not sure if you can call it racism or colorism. But there's a general tendency to look down upon people with a darker shade in south asia. The darker your shade is, the more likelihood there is of you being looked down upon due to the rampant colorism in the subcontinent. It's why the Afghans tend to look down on the Pakistanis, who in turn look down on the Bangladeshis and Indians, and even in India, the north Indians tend to look down on the south Indians. And you can be pretty sure that, south asians, no matter from which country or region, are universally racist against blacks in general. It doesn't matter if you belong to a region with much better social development indicators, at the end of the day, people tend to take the skin complexion way too seriously in south asia. If it was purely based on social development, the Sri Lankans would have to look down on south Indians and Bangladeshis, who in turn can look down on north Indians, who in turn on the Pakistanis, who themselves can look down on the Afghans for the state of their country.

But that's a common phenomenon in the subcontinent and not the only reason, or even the main reason why the Afghans have negative sentiments towards the Pakistanis. One reason is that there is a history of bad blood between Afghans and Punjabis during the Ranjit Singh era when they had a lot of run ins with each other. The Afghans hence often use the Ranjit Singh slur word for Pak Punjabis even though the latter have no affiliation with Ranjit Singh emotionally, as compared to say the Indian Sikh Punjabis.

Another reason is due to a far more recent event. I was reading a book about the Soviet Afghan war once and remember reading an interesting anecdote in the book. When the Taliban were taking over the country, many of the militia were allegedly made up of members from the Pakistani Punjab region who spoke a language that wasn't understood by the local Pashtuns and Tajiks in Afghanistan and that was supposedly when a deep seated resentment for the "foreigner" Punjabis began to arise among the local Afghans. The tussle between Afghanistan and Pakistan goes back a long way and it's not a black and white issue where one party is good and the other is bad. But I remember reading about the reason behind a negative sentiment towards the Pakistanis, particularly Punjabis, among the local Afghans in that particular book (can't remember the name of it).

There is certainly a feeling among at least some Afghans that Pakistan is currently occupying regions that historical belonged to Afghanistan once, something that they call the "greater Pashtunistan", nevermind the people in KPK and FATA regions don't reciprocate the same feelings to be a part of Afghanistan. It's why I think Afghanistan refused to recognise Pakistan initially after independence if I'm correct.

I love how you identified the racism within the whole of SA

Just the other day I was watching a prank show where the guy joked about the dark guy that he is a bangali, machli and all the nine yard

Now some can say this was just due to history but by and large there is a revision of history going on in pakistan and Bangladesh is considered a fellow brotherly Islamic nation by majority of Pakistanis so there isn't a whole lot of nationalist hatered for Bangladesh and whenever the discussion of 1971 takes place blame is mostly on India and the fact that they misguided the brother muslims into independence or Bangladesh is ruled by Indian puppets and Muslim Bangladeshis don't feel that way about Pakistan

Does this love as fellow muslims stop the ethnic stereotypes no... so colorism at its core is still there

Same with Indians we grew up with the steryotype of dark Indians
It always came out during a Bolly wood movies when an attractive actoress would show up conversation ends up being how they are actually dark skinned and look hideous in real life instead our actoresses are much lighter thus prettier only they are not fit like their indian counterparts that's why men tend to like them

This also happened when a relative would visit india there were stories of people everywhere, imense poverty and dark skinned people
How lucky we are to be in Pakistan not to see those dark skinned people everywhere

This psychology reverses when talking about Afghans they romanticized as light skinned warriors on top of being a brother muslim nation

I mean you can talk for a whole day with a middle aged pak man and he'll tell you the greatness of this mythical,rugged light skinned warrior across the boder and if we were like them than kashmir would have been liberated a while ago the Maidani diet and Indian influences make us weak (BUT in this sacenerio I am talking about this conspiracy theory uncle so don't it as representative of whole of Pakistan)

Hell in our country Pashtuns are romanticized as these light skinned honest, warrior people

IK constantly use his Pashtuns heritage to score off of that romanticization (He only speaks urdu and punjabi btw cause he grew up in Lahore)

He uses it to perfection he is just punjabi enough for Punjabis to get behind him and not treat him as a Pashtuns nationalist but also offers them the romanticized version of a Pashtun man capable of fixing dis honesty

Atleast in Punjab a bunch of people when asked why do you like the guy
Convo starts with he is a pashtun partly making him almost geneticaly capable of solving corruption and dishonesty due to his pashtun values

It's just funny how these steryotypes work man

Do Indians have this same romanticization of Pakistanis or the wars between the nation's have helped in Indians calming down with their colorism and romanticization ?
 
I love how you identified the racism within the whole of SA

Just the other day I was watching a prank show where the guy joked about the dark guy that he is a bangali, machli and all the nine yard

Now some can say this was just due to history but by and large there is a revision of history going on in pakistan and Bangladesh is considered a fellow brotherly Islamic nation by majority of Pakistanis so there isn't a whole lot of nationalist hatered for Bangladesh and whenever the discussion of 1971 takes place blame is mostly on India and the fact that they misguided the brother muslims into independence or Bangladesh is ruled by Indian puppets and Muslim Bangladeshis don't feel that way about Pakistan

Does this love as fellow muslims stop the ethnic stereotypes no... so colorism at its core is still there

Same with Indians we grew up with the steryotype of dark Indians
It always came out during a Bolly wood movies when an attractive actoress would show up conversation ends up being how they are actually dark skinned and look hideous in real life instead our actoresses are much lighter thus prettier only they are not fit like their indian counterparts that's why men tend to like them

This also happened when a relative would visit india there were stories of people everywhere, imense poverty and dark skinned people
How lucky we are to be in Pakistan not to see those dark skinned people everywhere

This psychology reverses when talking about Afghans they romanticized as light skinned warriors on top of being a brother muslim nation

I mean you can talk for a whole day with a middle aged pak man and he'll tell you the greatness of this mythical,rugged light skinned warrior across the boder and if we were like them than kashmir would have been liberated a while ago the Maidani diet and Indian influences make us weak (BUT in this sacenerio I am talking about this conspiracy theory uncle so don't it as representative of whole of Pakistan)

Hell in our country Pashtuns are romanticized as these light skinned honest, warrior people

IK constantly use his Pashtuns heritage to score off of that romanticization (He only speaks urdu and punjabi btw cause he grew up in Lahore)

He uses it to perfection he is just punjabi enough for Punjabis to get behind him and not treat him as a Pashtuns nationalist but also offers them the romanticized version of a Pashtun man capable of fixing dis honesty

Atleast in Punjab a bunch of people when asked why do you like the guy
Convo starts with he is a pashtun partly making him almost geneticaly capable of solving corruption and dishonesty due to his pashtun values

It's just funny how these steryotypes work man

Do Indians have this same romanticization of Pakistanis or the wars between the nation's have helped in Indians calming down with their colorism and romanticization ?

I think the fascination for Caucasian features, i.e., light skin, blond hair, blue eyes, etc. etc., is something universal and not specific to Pakistan. Such attitudes are widely prevalent even in a country as developed as South Korea, so it's no surprise if such attitudes are prevalent in south asia. The main reason for romanticism of Afghans by Pakistanis is that a lot of Afghan kings invaded India in the past and helped in the spread of Islam in the subcontinent. As you know, there's a huge "us vs them" mentality between the hindus and the muslims of the subcontinent. So the Afghan kings are admired in a way for sticking it up to the hindu kingdoms of the past and enabling the spread of Islam in south asia. It's also why a lot of missiles of Pakistan carry the names of past Afghan kings, almost meant as a symbolic gesture for India.

With Indians, it's the complete opposite. Indians harbour a deep seated resentment for the past muslim rule and subsequent hindu persecution by some muslim rulers influences the anti muslim psyche of Indians till date. Like I said, it's just the "us vs them" mentality at play here. So I don't think the Pakistanis were ever romanticised by Indians to the best of my knowledge. I mean, the Pakistanis aren't suddenly going to romanticise the Israelis just because they're light skinned. The Arabs, sure, but then again that boils down to the role played by the Arabs in the spread of Islam and Islamic rule in parts of Asia in the past.
 
I love how you identified the racism within the whole of SA

Just the other day I was watching a prank show where the guy joked about the dark guy that he is a bangali, machli and all the nine yard

Now some can say this was just due to history but by and large there is a revision of history going on in pakistan and Bangladesh is considered a fellow brotherly Islamic nation by majority of Pakistanis so there isn't a whole lot of nationalist hatered for Bangladesh and whenever the discussion of 1971 takes place blame is mostly on India and the fact that they misguided the brother muslims into independence or Bangladesh is ruled by Indian puppets and Muslim Bangladeshis don't feel that way about Pakistan

Does this love as fellow muslims stop the ethnic stereotypes no... so colorism at its core is still there

Same with Indians we grew up with the steryotype of dark Indians
It always came out during a Bolly wood movies when an attractive actoress would show up conversation ends up being how they are actually dark skinned and look hideous in real life instead our actoresses are much lighter thus prettier only they are not fit like their indian counterparts that's why men tend to like them

This also happened when a relative would visit india there were stories of people everywhere, imense poverty and dark skinned people
How lucky we are to be in Pakistan not to see those dark skinned people everywhere

This psychology reverses when talking about Afghans they romanticized as light skinned warriors on top of being a brother muslim nation

I mean you can talk for a whole day with a middle aged pak man and he'll tell you the greatness of this mythical,rugged light skinned warrior across the boder and if we were like them than kashmir would have been liberated a while ago the Maidani diet and Indian influences make us weak (BUT in this sacenerio I am talking about this conspiracy theory uncle so don't it as representative of whole of Pakistan)

Hell in our country Pashtuns are romanticized as these light skinned honest, warrior people

IK constantly use his Pashtuns heritage to score off of that romanticization (He only speaks urdu and punjabi btw cause he grew up in Lahore)

He uses it to perfection he is just punjabi enough for Punjabis to get behind him and not treat him as a Pashtuns nationalist but also offers them the romanticized version of a Pashtun man capable of fixing dis honesty

Atleast in Punjab a bunch of people when asked why do you like the guy
Convo starts with he is a pashtun partly making him almost geneticaly capable of solving corruption and dishonesty due to his pashtun values

It's just funny how these steryotypes work man

Do Indians have this same romanticization of Pakistanis or the wars between the nation's have helped in Indians calming down with their colorism and romanticization ?

Reading this I feel I was brought up in another country. Pashtuns are looked upon as role models?? 95% of all jokes that I hear and get as forwarded messages make fun of Pashtuns and Sikhs. Their stupidity, simple mindedness etc. And afghans are especially berated as “ litter collectors “.

Yes there is admiration of their historical battle hardness and resilience, and also their light skin color to some extent, but that’s different.


People in mainland Pakistan in vast numbers considers Pashtuns and afghans as intellectually inferior.
 
Reading this I feel I was brought up in another country. Pashtuns are looked upon as role models?? 95% of all jokes that I hear and get as forwarded messages make fun of Pashtuns and Sikhs. Their stupidity, simple mindedness etc. And afghans are especially berated as “ litter collectors “.

Yes there is admiration of their historical battle hardness and resilience, and also their light skin color to some extent, but that’s different.


People in mainland Pakistan in vast numbers considers Pashtuns and afghans as intellectually inferior.

By role model I meant the role of what a "manly" man is suppose to be like not that you have the most money, intellectual ability
Their stereotype appeals to our most primitive appeal of a "man"

The warrior stereotype is the exact reason for both the Sikhs and Pashtuns being considered dumb by rest of the country
(this is a stereotype)
A warrior is a dumb brute of a man who faces his enemy with sheer strength and courage (a smart man wont risk his life by being stupidly courage's), this is what a "man" is suppose to be like but does this mean he is a scholar or a man with immense intellectual ability probably not...

Instead we'll also look at the man as d***** even though he is appealing to our inner fascination for what it means to be a "man'

This carries on to our jokes
 
I think the fascination for Caucasian features, i.e., light skin, blond hair, blue eyes, etc. etc., is something universal and not specific to Pakistan. Such attitudes are widely prevalent even in a country as developed as South Korea, so it's no surprise if such attitudes are prevalent in south asia. The main reason for romanticism of Afghans by Pakistanis is that a lot of Afghan kings invaded India in the past and helped in the spread of Islam in the subcontinent. As you know, there's a huge "us vs them" mentality between the hindus and the muslims of the subcontinent. So the Afghan kings are admired in a way for sticking it up to the hindu kingdoms of the past and enabling the spread of Islam in south asia. It's also why a lot of missiles of Pakistan carry the names of past Afghan kings, almost meant as a symbolic gesture for India.

With Indians, it's the complete opposite. Indians harbour a deep seated resentment for the past muslim rule and subsequent hindu persecution by some muslim rulers influences the anti muslim psyche of Indians till date. Like I said, it's just the "us vs them" mentality at play here. So I don't think the Pakistanis were ever romanticised by Indians to the best of my knowledge. I mean, the Pakistanis aren't suddenly going to romanticise the Israelis just because they're light skinned. The Arabs, sure, but then again that boils down to the role played by the Arabs in the spread of Islam and Islamic rule in parts of Asia in the past.

So basically nationalism, history, alliances are a big factor but the physical appearance of a people group can also add on to this romanticization

Yes the color-ism does play a part but I think history/culture is a big help in our stereotypes

like China they think Mongols are the epitome of what a man is suppose, looked at as physically taller and stronger than Chinese people
Are they better than Chinese in other fasets of life NO!

But for Chinese a Mongol is a manly man (even though we think they are just a bunch of dumb brutes, and probably even Chinese think like that but a dumb brute warrior appeals to our primitive sections of our minds)
 
So basically nationalism, history, alliances are a big factor but the physical appearance of a people group can also add on to this romanticization

Yes the color-ism does play a part but I think history/culture is a big help in our stereotypes

like China they think Mongols are the epitome of what a man is suppose, looked at as physically taller and stronger than Chinese people
Are they better than Chinese in other fasets of life NO!

But for Chinese a Mongol is a manly man (even though we think they are just a bunch of dumb brutes, and probably even Chinese think like that but a dumb brute warrior appeals to our primitive sections of our minds)

I don't know about the dumb part, but the brute warrior, to some extent appeals to primitive sections of minds across all societies. This is why you have gyms exploding in growth all over the world, everyone wants to have a six pack and big biceps and look like a 'manly man'. At least relatively speaking. Although no point in overdoing it either, the guys who are so pumped they look like a sack of potatoes don't appeal much to anyone other than hardcore gym rats.
 
The restaurant has numerous reviews of racism dating back to 2018. A lot of them from Sikhs too.
 
Owner of restaurant at centre of racial slur video apologizes


https://blackburnnews.com/london/lo...staurant-centre-racial-slur-video-apologizes/

The guy in the video has been removed as a partner and employee.

Good job by the owner.

Sure there are some Afghans who hate Pakistanis, as there are some Afghans who hate Indians or vice versa. There are a lot of Afghans in the UK now, most are friendly with Pakistanis but there is a select few who are often criminally minded who hate on Pakistanis. These tend to be younger folks who are brainwashed by the Northern Alliance government who believe Pak is behind the bombings in their country. The inteligent ones realise Pakistan has taken a record 4 million odd refugees and allowed them to improve their lives from a war zone.
 
Its strange that despite a 7 decade old rivalry between Pakistan and India, havent seen such incidences happen between the 2 communities. My experience visiting Pakistani restaurants in US has been rather good.
 
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