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[VIDEO] All hail Mohammad Abbas - the leader of the pack in Tests for Pakistan!

Taking his responsibility seriously

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MenInG said:
Taking his responsibility seriously

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He's always been a thinking bowler, who uses his wits and tenacity as much as his talent. I realise that he's not a larger than life pro like Wasim, Waqar or Shoaib but he's a leader through his hard work and relentlessness. As the senior most quick in the team, he was already guiding Naseem through the warmups and it's clear that the team management have asked him to mentor the two younger lads throughout these tests. I'm hopeful he'll have an effect inshAllah
 
I like Abbas and think he complements Shaheen and Naseem well. No he's not the quickest and not the best option on hard, flat pitches in countries like Australia that offer little sideways movement.

But on a tour of England, with the Dukes ball, he is a must. If he doesn't take wickets, he'll build pressure on batsmen by giving them nothing to hit. And with such an inexperienced attack, he's a good mentor for Shaheen and Naseem.
 
Abbas has proven to be low bounce wicket specialist, where he can keep attacking the stumps. He has a good chance of success in England and repeat what he did last time. That said my expectations are low, for a while now it has seemed like Abbas is past his prime.
 
Fahdi said:
Abbas has proven to be low bounce wicket specialist, where he can keep attacking the stumps. He has a good chance of success in England and repeat what he did last time. That said my expectations are low, for a while now it has seemed like Abbas is past his prime.
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Wonder if England will just plant themselves in the middle of the pitch and play him like that?
 
Guaranteed to be one of the best deliveries you'll see all summer:

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Abbas to Stokes - beautiful bowling from a very intelligent bowler <a href="https://t.co/jhFbar1rlB">pic.twitter.com/jhFbar1rlB</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1291432318729682945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Thought Pakistan took away his potency a bit by bringing the keeper up. It was a clever plan but an over of that should have been enough.
 
He worked over Stokes beautifully.

Stokes was trying to disrupt Abbas' length and rhythm, but Abbas has seen it all before and out-thought Stokes.
 
An absolute peach of a delivery.

Shows how important County experience is.
 
Abdullah said:
Ok, joint first.

Babar I'm in hope mode, cos not sure how he's gonna come out of lockdown. Many need a few more innings to get it back
Abbas and our other bowlers I'm expecting them to deliver
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[MENTION=149054]shamaan[/MENTION]!!
 
shamaan said:
No it was clever plan he doesnt have much pace so keeper up the bateman have to stay in his crease and can get LBW
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Disagree. He was bowling much better with the keeper back. It messed with his line, took caught behind almost out of the equation.

As I said, couple of overs with the keeper up are OK, but then go back to your discipline.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Disagree. He was bowling much better with the keeper back. It messed with his line, took caught behind almost out of the equation.

As I said, couple of overs with the keeper up are OK, but then go back to your discipline.
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I agree they reduced his potency and threat...

They should’ve done that for an over or two not for the rest of his spell.
 
last_knight said:
Abbas Vs Stokes in Tests

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May it coninue like this throughout the series, in sha Allah. Stokes is the batsman who has saved England many times of late.
 
Its a joke reading some of the comments in this thread on Abbas - Mammon who thinks he knows it all will drag any Pak player to the mud no matter their abilities for a little attention.

Abbas is one of Pakistans best Test bowling finds in the last 4/5 years. He has an amazing average for a reason because he’s a damn good bowler especially his accuracy and then any movement he gets.

I think some in here are just ODI fans who just don’t like Test cricket or see his speed and judge from that reason alone.
 
90MPH said:
Its a joke reading some of the comments in this thread on Abbas - Mammon who thinks he knows it all will drag any Pak player to the mud no matter their abilities for a little attention.

Abbas is one of Pakistans best Test bowling finds in the last 4/5 years. He has an amazing average for a reason because he’s a damn good bowler especially his accuracy and then any movement he gets.

I think some in here are just ODI fans who just don’t like Test cricket or see his speed and judge from that reason alone.
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Exactly. Because he doesn't make the big headlines with swagger or pace or big hooping swing, people forget he is one of the most accurate, economical and consistent bowlers in world cricket. So underrated.
 
Atherton on Abbas: "For this pace you have to be exceptional, and he is an exceptional cricketer"
 
32 of Abbas' 68 Test wickets have come with deliveries that would have hit or clipped the stumps.
 
Abbas during the first hour of the day:

7 consecutive overs
6 maidens
1 run
0 wickets

Past the outside edge many many times. What a spell.
 
Abbas is absolute quality . Being only 30 and with the pace he bowls he can easily play for another 4-5 years and be the leader of our pack.
 
Huge responsibility on Abbas to get us those initial breakthroughs.

Also didnt see him to proactive in talking to the younger bowlers?
 
Waqar advising all bowlers at the moment. Big day for Abbas
 
Abbas is ok. If he hasn’t got wickets with new ball I don’t expect him to get wickets when the seam flattens out. He doesn’t swing it and doesn’t seam the ball away from rhb. Not much anyway. Good luck anyway.
 
Abid Z said:
Abbas is ok. If he hasn’t got wickets with new ball I don’t expect him to get wickets when the seam flattens out. He doesn’t swing it and doesn’t seam the ball away from rhb. Not much anyway. Good luck anyway.
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With his pace, he is useless with the old ball
 
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On the face of it, the figures look ok. But given the match situation I expected more from Abbas in England's 2nd innings. He seemed to run out of ideas and steam and his bowling got slower and slower, whilst not maintaining any threat.
 
Mohammad Abbas has moved up 3 ranks to move to rank #10 in the latest ICC Test bowling ranking update.
 
Saj said:
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On the face of it, the figures look ok. But given the match situation I expected more from Abbas in England's 2nd innings. He seemed to run out of ideas and steam and his bowling got slower and slower, whilst not maintaining any threat.
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I agree. Performed wonderfully in the first innings with the new ball, but really let us down with the older ball when the pressure was on during the Woakes-Buttler partnership.
 
Saj said:
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On the face of it, the figures look ok. But given the match situation I expected more from Abbas in England's 2nd innings. He seemed to run out of ideas and steam and his bowling got slower and slower, whilst not maintaining any threat.
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I know many on here have praised his performance and although some of the praise is deserved, he went to awol in the 2nd when the leader of the pack had to be counted.His scrambled seam is not suited to an old ball and if this is all that he has to offer, we have a serious problem. Our attacks can't have a passenger for 65 overs each innings
 
Poor Naseem getting so much stick here when he looked the only pacer who looked like taking a wicket in the 2nd innings.
 
Abbas needs to step up and act as a senior and guide the rest of the attack - seems to be a spectator.
 
He has been the best bowler so far.

Shaheen and Naseem kind of flopped. Yasir was expensive.
 
Bewal Express said:
I know many on here have praised his performance and although some of the praise is deserved, he went to awol in the 2nd when the leader of the pack had to be counted.His scrambled seam is not suited to an old ball and if this is all that he has to offer, we have a serious problem. Our attacks can't have a passenger for 65 overs each innings
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He should have done better in the 2nd innings. He ran out of steam, there was no movement either and they played him out easily.
 
Saj said:
He should have done better in the 2nd innings. He ran out of steam, there was no movement either and they played him out easily.
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Abbas has a scrambled seam, which initially I thought was a strategy as he got sharp movement into the right handers and away from left and when the pitch had moisture, it worked. But as the match went on, it became obvious that he only to has a scrambled seam and it made him look totally innocuous. When the pressure is on, it's the experienced guy everyone looks to, but he had nothing to offer.
 
Abbas seems unsure how to handle a batsman standing so far out his crease. Tried a short one to Crawley to push him back and he smashed a pull off the front foot for 4, and he's now back to line and length.
 
Abbas is bowling really well. First he gets Crawley out and is now troubling Joe Root.
 
Firebat said:
Abbas seems unsure how to handle a batsman standing so far out his crease. Tried a short one to Crawley to push him back and he smashed a pull off the front foot for 4, and he's now back to line and length.
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He should have the keeper up immediately to keep the batsman honest
 
Firebat said:
Abbas seems unsure how to handle a batsman standing so far out his crease. Tried a short one to Crawley to push him back and he smashed a pull off the front foot for 4, and he's now back to line and length.
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That started back in 2018. Teams have worked out that this tactic works well. Abbas doesn't have anything to negate this as well apart from having the keeper come up but that comes with other problems. But he is still a handful as long as the pitches don't have the high bounce we see in Australia and SA.
 
An expert here believed that Abbas was unselectable and that Sohail & Faheem should play ahead of him. LOL.

Some opinions here are top quality kaamedi
 
Hi [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] and [MENTION=8]MIG[/MENTION] bhai, Is it possible for you to ask our team management to get some baseball catcher protection gear for Rizwan and try to test if he can be upto the wickets for Abbas when he's bowling with the new ball?
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
Hi [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] and [MENTION=8]MIG[/MENTION] bhai, Is it possible for you to ask our team management to get some baseball catcher protection gear for Rizwan and try to test if he can be upto the wickets for Abbas when he's bowling with the new ball?
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Wonderful for Abbas - now 8th in Test rankings!
 
MenInG said:
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aloo paratha said:
I think he was talking about a chest guard. wicket keepers already wear helmets.
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Exactly that. Minus the leg protection which is already covered by pads. Also, the baseball helmet provides protection for the neck area as well which the cricketing helmet does not provide. I think I have seen some kiwi keeper using baseball helmet while keeping but the chest protection I haven't seen anywhere so far.

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I was watching videos of both Tests against England and it was visible that Abbas was going through his action a lot better in the 2nd Test which is a good sign ahead of the 3rd Test.
 
Quite sloppy start from Pakistan's new ball bowlers - Abbas has bowled a few too many freebies on the legs this morning.
 
Abbas is once again bowling medium cutters which with the older ball become harmless. No rubbish from him, but not threatening either.
 
People get impatient with baby pace bowlers very easily. He's very skilled. That delivery to Ben Stokes was on of the best deliveries of the year, arguably the decade.
 
Abid Z said:
Well provided he can move the ball both ways and keep it tight have high hopes for Abbas. Think he should do well.

Would hate to see him become a one trick pony who simply brings the ball into the batsmen
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And as I wrote this have noticed Abbas regularly take the ball away from rhb while maintaining an immaculate length. I think he’s bowler superb in Southampton without much reward.

So a few things I noticed about Abbas which we can expand upon.

People compare him to asif but that he’s a metronome is the only similarity. Asif was good with the old ball as well as new ball in that he could strike with both and could swing and seam both ways.

Abbass is strictly a new ball bowler and after about 7/8 overs of his if he’s not taken a wicket he’s unlikely to until the 80th over when the 2nd new ball becomes due.

I love that he bowls with a scrambled seam and moves the ball both ways. In the beginning of his career we thought he was a little English dibbly dobbler but he’s certainly wilier than that. He’s not too fast, asif was around 82/83mph and Abbas is more 78/79 plus he’s a little bit shorter and kiss the surface type of bowler. This of course brings its own challenges so it’s not a criticism..if anything his short height and slow speed is a bit of an advantage as he’s more likely to hit the top of bails rather than go over. So can get away with bowling a good length all day long. He’s certainly been troubling some very accomplished English batsmen regularly.

My main criticism of him right now is that he doesn’t appear to have an answer when the batsman bats out of his crease. Sky did a stat where he averages 9 when ball is full and batsman back and around 40 when batsman is out of his crease. I think most batsmen around the world will be batting out of crease to him

Lastly one view on Abbas has not changed. He’s the type of bowler who can only be successful in a decent bowling partnership. Shaheen could be fantastic for him if only he learns to challenge both edges by having a good outswinger as well as inswinger.

Yasir can be quite good bowling with Abbas but yasir is way too loose. Every couple of overs yasir bowls a 4 ball.

Abbas keeps it tight with the old ball he needs a really tight finger spinner to dry up the runs. Ssa and Naseem are just gifting runs and diluting Abbas’s efforts.
 
Lol, England have treated Abbas like the Zulfiqar Babar of our attack.
 
Abdullah719 said:
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Thank you for posting this. It’s a great stat. Looking at this nobody is going to go back to abbas and consequently he’s bowled really well today without taking a wicket. He’s been miserly for sure but you expect him to chip in with the odd wicket here and there. I know it was a windy day but still he will have to do better.
 
Still don't understand the reason why Rizwan hasn't come up to the stumps for Abbas. Crawley on 171 is batting way way way out of his crease. It is impossible for him to get out LBW, yet that is what Mushtaq said was the plan to him. I must be missing something.
 
I don’t believe that Abbas is 30 years old.

But I do know that in 9 Tests in 2019 and 2020 he has a bowling average of 36.

I would rather play a younger man who can develop for the future.
 
Junaids said:
I don’t believe that Abbas is 30 years old.

But I do know that in 9 Tests in 2019 and 2020 he has a bowling average of 36.

I would rather play a younger man who can develop for the future.
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There you go again with this ageist rubbish. Have you got any proof that Abbas is not 30? Why are you selectively choosing 2019 when he only played against sa,aus and Sri Lanka in a handful of years and also when injured. Lots of bowlers have poor records in certain countries but they are able to make up at later tours to sane country. Warne had a pretty dismal record in India...
Stuart broad ages 34 is pretty miffed that people lump him with Anderson aged 38 with 1000 wickets between them..Stuart broad could easily take another 100 wickets.

Likewise Abbas from what my own personal observation is, has only just started regularly taking the old ball away with a scrambled seam. This is a pretty nifty newly acquired skill Seems he’s learning.

He needs a really good bowling partner...even waqar was only half the bowler without wasim or aqib Javed.
 
Abid Z said:
There you go again with this ageist rubbish. Have you got any proof that Abbas is not 30? Why are you selectively choosing 2019 when he only played against sa,aus and Sri Lanka in a handful of years and also when injured. Lots of bowlers have poor records in certain countries but they are able to make up at later tours to sane country. Warne had a pretty dismal record in India...
Stuart broad ages 34 is pretty miffed that people lump him with Anderson aged 38 with 1000 wickets between them..Stuart broad could easily take another 100 wickets.

Likewise Abbas from what my own personal observation is, has only just started regularly taking the old ball away with a scrambled seam. This is a pretty nifty newly acquired skill Seems he’s learning.

He needs a really good bowling partner...even waqar was only half the bowler without wasim or aqib Javed.
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I picked 2019 and 2020 because they are the two most recent years.

It’s sport. You get picked on recent performances and form, not ancient history.

Especially because the last two years batsmen have learned how to bat out of their crease against him.
 
Junaids said:
I picked 2019 and 2020 because they are the two most recent years.

It’s sport. You get picked on recent performances and form, not ancient history.

Especially because the last two years batsmen have learned how to bat out of their crease against him.
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I picked the most recent stats - the current series - Abbas averaging 30, Shaheen 53, Naseem 55 .......... looks like batsmen have forgotten again to bat against Abbas, but can’t say about the other two....
 
Firebat said:
Still don't understand the reason why Rizwan hasn't come up to the stumps for Abbas. Crawley on 171 is batting way way way out of his crease. It is impossible for him to get out LBW, yet that is what Mushtaq said was the plan to him. I must be missing something.
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Now that Rizwan is up to the stumps and Abbas is looking far far more threatening to Crawley, beating his outside edge much easier and challenging the pads. It's not rocket science, should have been done ages ago.
 
MMHS said:
I picked the most recent stats - the current series - Abbas averaging 30, Shaheen 53, Naseem 55 .......... looks like batsmen have forgotten again to bat against Abbas, but can’t say about the other two....
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I have said all along that underage players are as much of a problem as overage ones.

You can’t have a Test pace bowling attack of guys aged (probably) 35, 20 and 19.

You need to have guys in their 20’s doing most of the pace bowling.

I would have rotated Shaheen and Naseem in a pace attack alongside Amir, Faheem and Abbas.
 
Junaids said:
I have said all along that underage players are as much of a problem as overage ones.

You can’t have a Test pace bowling attack of guys aged (probably) 35, 20 and 19.

You need to have guys in their 20’s doing most of the pace bowling.

I would have rotated Shaheen and Naseem in a pace attack alongside Amir, Faheem and Abbas.
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Abbas is not the biggest problem- let’s agree to disagree here. And Faheem .... lol
 
Junaids said:
I picked 2019 and 2020 because they are the two most recent years.

It’s sport. You get picked on recent performances and form, not ancient history.

Especially because the last two years batsmen have learned how to bat out of their crease against him.
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No you picked 2019 because you wanted to create a straw man argument and work backwards from a point you’ve decided to prove let me sum it up.

A cricketer (sportsman generally) has to continually learn and adapt to challenges on and off the field. But we feel when he makes his debut there is enough raw material to work with. Abbas on debut was the most erratic of Pakistani players ever. One match he gets a 5for then it’s nothing. One minute he looks like he’d be lethal in sena but instead he’s lethal on the deadest of pitches. So how do we sum up?? Definitely not by being dogmatic about age or height as you are. But sure we can appreciate his limitations. For me he was strictly new ball bowler bringing it in to the rhb. How he got 5fors but I couldn’t fathom. To me he looked like a typical English dibbly dobbler that would never make it to the English team. Simply because an English seamer would need to have the height, fitness and reasonable competency with the bat to beat others into the playing 11. So what to make of Abbas???

Abbas brings unique challenges to a batsman. according to you a bowler should be 6ft 5 bowling in his nappies or he’s past it.

What I’m highlighting is that Abbas in 2020 looks to have learnt the art of bowling with a scrambled seam which is getting sharp movement away and into the rhb. He did not have this is 2019 games. So has shown the ability to learn and develop.

Now Abbas is combatting his other weakness when batsmen come down the track to him so has Rizwan standing up to the wickets which I think is the hardest and bravest thing to do in test cricket ( we all remember what happened to Mark Boucher) . so Abbas now has a keeper widely recognised as one of the best in the world when previously he had sarfaraz who I think was as bad as kamran akmal.

Previously Abbas had the likes of Rahat Ali or spray gun wahab bowling alongside. This is criminal for a metronome as he relies on tight lines creating pressure. So you see Abbas limitations are entirely to do with weaknesses in the attack...tighten up the attack and suddenly Abbas is a different kind of bowler. Now obviously SSA and Naseem are not ideal for him and yasir bowls a 4 ball every over (please don’t get started on shadab!!) but the message is clear this whole attack needs developing and when it does, say in a years time then you can look at the whole 2019-21 period and judge rather than cherry pick stats that suit your point.
 
Abid Z said:
No you picked 2019 because you wanted to create a straw man argument and work backwards from a point you’ve decided to prove let me sum it up.

A cricketer (sportsman generally) has to continually learn and adapt to challenges on and off the field. But we feel when he makes his debut there is enough raw material to work with. Abbas on debut was the most erratic of Pakistani players ever. One match he gets a 5for then it’s nothing. One minute he looks like he’d be lethal in sena but instead he’s lethal on the deadest of pitches. So how do we sum up?? Definitely not by being dogmatic about age or height as you are. But sure we can appreciate his limitations. For me he was strictly new ball bowler bringing it in to the rhb. How he got 5fors but I couldn’t fathom. To me he looked like a typical English dibbly dobbler that would never make it to the English team. Simply because an English seamer would need to have the height, fitness and reasonable competency with the bat to beat others into the playing 11. So what to make of Abbas???

Abbas brings unique challenges to a batsman. according to you a bowler should be 6ft 5 bowling in his nappies or he’s past it.

What I’m highlighting is that Abbas in 2020 looks to have learnt the art of bowling with a scrambled seam which is getting sharp movement away and into the rhb. He did not have this is 2019 games. So has shown the ability to learn and develop.

Now Abbas is combatting his other weakness when batsmen come down the track to him so has Rizwan standing up to the wickets which I think is the hardest and bravest thing to do in test cricket ( we all remember what happened to Mark Boucher) . so Abbas now has a keeper widely recognised as one of the best in the world when previously he had sarfaraz who I think was as bad as kamran akmal.

Previously Abbas had the likes of Rahat Ali or spray gun wahab bowling alongside. This is criminal for a metronome as he relies on tight lines creating pressure. So you see Abbas limitations are entirely to do with weaknesses in the attack...tighten up the attack and suddenly Abbas is a different kind of bowler. Now obviously SSA and Naseem are not ideal for him and yasir bowls a 4 ball every over (please don’t get started on shadab!!) but the message is clear this whole attack needs developing and when it does, say in a years time then you can look at the whole 2019-21 period and judge rather than cherry pick stats that suit your point.
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I’m really sorry, but I will not pick a guy who is probably in his mid-30’s, bowls at 124K and over three seasons across the last two calendar years averages almost 40 with the ball in his last ten Tests.

Abbas in this Test series is like he was in the warm-up games. He’s bowling never-ending spells, very economically.

But he’s the senior pacer, and he’s taking a wicket every 90 balls, which is pathetic.
 
Abbas in his last 11 Tests has the following record:

11 Tests
21 wickets
Average 38.00
Strike rate 96.1

Not good enough.
 
Junaids said:
Abbas in his last 11 Tests has the following record:

11 Tests
21 wickets
Average 38.00
Strike rate 96.1

Not good enough.
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Fell away somewhat in the last 2 years. Had some injuries etc but a shame these guys that do well in the initial stages can't go on to become even better.
 
Kroll said:
Fell away somewhat in the last 2 years. Had some injuries etc but a shame these guys that do well in the initial stages can't go on to become even better.
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I think that Abbas was around 32 when he debuted in the West Indies and 33 when he did so well against England away and against Australia in the UAE.

And his performances have fallen off in 2019 and 2020 because he is too old now, probably 35 now.

It’s like with African footballers - from Babayaro to Amokachi. They peak at a young age because it’s a fake age.
 
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