[VIDEO] Babar Azam has to be removed as captain from all formats

[Rana]

Named as captain for ICC ODI team of the year 2022.

Ramiz celebrated Pakistan’s ‘great performances’ with a grand dinner

Only to be mauled later by England 3-0

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Umar Gul "Babar Azam is performing well in all three formats. At the moment there is no need to replace him as captain" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/tv8C9MzdWy">pic.twitter.com/tv8C9MzdWy</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1619312186907848705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2023</a></blockquote>
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[Rana]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Umar Gul "Babar Azam is performing well in all three formats. At the moment there is no need to replace him as captain" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/tv8C9MzdWy">pic.twitter.com/tv8C9MzdWy</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1619312186907848705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2023</a></blockquote>
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Performing well as a player or captain?

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Performing well as a player or captain?

exactly that is where these desi coaches lack in thinking...

Performing as a player but gifting victories to opposition as captain..

 

[Major]

Why Babar fails to learn from his past mistakes?

We keep on hearing that Babar is learning captaincy (even though international cricket isn't a place for this), yet he fails to learn from his own mistakes.

World T20 2021, semi final against Australia, Pakistan was bowling in the death overs with Shaheen and Hassan Ali who failed to defend the score at death overs. Another mistake made was that Babar never used additional overs of Hafeez, where in the death overs Babar would had have options and not been forced to use shaheens qouta.

Asia Cup 2022, final against Sri Lanka, Pakistan took early wickets, but Pakistan did not use Mohammad Nawaz and decided to attack more, and at the end the likes of Naseem and Hasnain went for 40 runs each.

World T20 2022, group stage match against India, Babar again did not use khushdil shah or any other part time bowler earlier. In the end, Pakistan cornered themselves and the final over was being bowled by Nawaz who was hit for boundaries and Pakistan lost.

Today, against New zealand, babar again did not use any part timers, he bowled faheem ashraf 1 over before and gave Shadab 2 overs. Shaheen like always was attack at the death overs and he was bowling because babar needed him to fulfill his qouta of overs.


Question is, why has Babar failed to learn how to use 6th and 7th bowler? WHy doesnt he understand that these bowlers are used to increase the rrr and slow down the scoring of runs and also get overs done so that during the death overs you have options where you can choose which bowler to use and not force yourself in a situation where you have to use a bowler that is getting attacked.

Babar surely can't captain this team in the world cup the third time.

Great batsman, but a terrible captain

 

[Savak]

Babar's resume as captain

1) Australia T-20 Series 2019 (Lost 2-0)
2) Bangladesh T20 Series 2019 (Won 3-0)
3) England T20 Series 2019 (Drew 1-1)
4) Zimbabwe ODI Series 2019 (Won 2-1)
5) Zimbabwe T20 Series 2019 (Won 3-0)
6) South Africa Test series 2020 (Won 2-0)
7) South Africa T20 Series 2020 (Won 2-1)
8) South Africa T20 Series 2020 (Won 4-2)
9) South Africa ODI Series 2020 (Won 2-1)
10) Zimbabwe T20 Series 2020 (Won 4-1)
11) England T20 Series 2021 (Lost 2-1)
12) England ODI Series 2021 (Lost 3-0)
13) West Indies T20 Series 2021 (Won 1-0)
14) T-20 WC 2021 (Lost the SF against Australia)
15) Bangladesh T20 Series 2021 (Won 3-0)
16) Bangladesh Test Series 2021 (Won 2-0)
17) Australia Test Series 2022 (Lost 1-0)
18) Australia ODI Series 2022 (Won 2-1)
19) Australia T20 Series 2022 (Lost 1-0)
20) Captained Khi Kings to their worst PSL Season 2022
21) Netherlands ODI Series 2022 (Won 3-0)
22) Asia T20 Cup 2022 (Lost Final)
23) T20 Series against England 2022 (Lost 4-3)
24) T20 WC 2022 (Lost Final)
25) England Test series (Lost 3-0)
26) New Zealand Test series (Drew 0-0)
27) New Zealand ODI Series (Lost 2-1)
28) New Zealand T20 Series (Drew 2-2)
29) Peshawar Zalmi 2023 PSL (Lost playoffs)

In the last 4 years, Babar Azam has practically done squat as captain for Pakistan and for his franchise in the PSL. Only in Pakistan will the best batsman in the country have an unquestioned monopoly where he will be allowed to undeservedly hold on to the captaincy inspite of achieving such pathetic results with the team. Every time the PCB has debated taking the captaincy away from him, his friends in the media have put pressure on the PCB to continue with the status quo.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Is he one of the longest servering captains for Pakistan? He has been learning since 2019.

Is it all Babar? Everyone knew from day 1 Babar isn't captaincy material. Yet the PCB and in particular Misbah opted for Babar. Misbah did the same for Azhar twice.

 

[Markhor]

Sack this joker now. Can't even beat a depleted NZL team at home in our favoured format of T20.

 

[Major]

Is he one of the longest servering captains for Pakistan? He has been learning since 2019.

Is it all Babar? Everyone knew from day 1 Babar isn't captaincy material. Yet the PCB and in particular Misbah opted for Babar. Misbah did the same for Azhar twice.

misbah never opt for Babar. Stop posting lies.

Imran Khan made Babar captain, Misbah was against this decision

 

[brokenrecord]

Sack this joker now. Can't even beat a depleted NZL team at home in our favoured format of T20.

When we win, it’s all Babar’s doing and evidence of how good he is as captain. When we lose it’s the whole team’s fault. With actual captains like Dhoni, it’s often the other way round.

 

[Savak]

Is he one of the longest servering captains for Pakistan? He has been learning since 2019.

Is it all Babar? Everyone knew from day 1 Babar isn't captaincy material. Yet the PCB and in particular Misbah opted for Babar. Misbah did the same for Azhar twice.

The BCCI never tolerated Sachin Tendulkar's ineptitude as captain for so long.

The PCB seriously lacks cajones when it comes to dealing with the backclash in the media.

 

[Aman]

This should feel like a series loss for Pakistan.

We were in a good position in the 4th T20 match and probably would have won that.

 

[hitthestump]

Unforgiveable loss.

Babar won't step down, nor will his clique allow him to do so.

It's time to see whether Mickey is interested in making tough decisions which benefit Pakistan, or if he's just there for the double paycheck whilst monitoring Derbyshire.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

misbah never opt for Babar. Stop posting lies.

Imran Khan made Babar captain, Misbah was against this decision

Imran Khan also recommended Azhar Ali twice?

Anyway its from the PCB in the end. The PCB still doesn't step in and named him captain till WC 2023. So we cant put it all on Babar. That was my point.

 

[Markhor]

When we win, it’s all Babar’s doing and evidence of how good he is as captain. When we lose it’s the whole team’s fault. With actual captains like Dhoni, it’s often the other way round.

I honestly try to be fair with our skippers generally - it's a hard, thankless job as Pakistan captain and the systemic issues within our cricket limits whatever success is attainable. Usually it all ends in tears.

However it's impossible to sympathise with someone who refuses to, or is cognitively incapable of learning from mistakes, even after four years of leadership experience.

Whatever gifts Babar has for batting simply isn't there as far as strategic thinking and tactical awareness is concerned. I mean, how does someone think drafting two rookies, benched for the previous matches, into a series decider is a good idea ? Why does he underbowl Iftikhar especially if there's two LHBs batting ? Why won't he consider even for the odd game batting down at 3 ?

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan's problems run deeper than captaincy and on-field tactics. The team is short on quality players. However, this is a result oriented business - captains and coaches live and die by results.

Babar has lost too many matches and series as captain. He has to be held accountable at some point.

 

[Rana]

This should feel like a series loss for Pakistan.

We were in a good position in the 4th T20 match and probably would have won that.

100% NZ would have

You have won the series bro. I was supporting NZ this series, we have won this series together!

 

[Savak]

Pakistan's problems run deeper than captaincy and on-field tactics. The team is short on quality players. However, this is a result oriented business - captains and coaches live and die by results.

Babar has lost too many matches and series as captain. He has to be held accountable at some point.

Lack of talent is not an excuse to allow incompetency to go unpunished especially for 4 years in a row. The professional world is a ruthless cut throat business and CEO's are let go 6-12 months after showing zero performance, why should a cricket team be any different?

Only in our desi pakistani sub continent culture are we fixated upon not making tough decisions out of fear of hurting the other person's feelings and ruffling a few feathers.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Lack of talent is not an excuse to allow incompetency to go unpunished especially for 4 years in a row. The professional world is a ruthless cut throat business and CEO's are let go 6-12 months after showing zero performance, why should a cricket team be any different?

Only in our desi pakistani sub continent culture are we fixated upon not making tough decisions out of fear of hurting the other person's feelings and ruffling a few feathers.

It's the #SochnaBhiMat culture. We Pakistanis can't critisize players we worship.
Also there is no concept of strategy and tactical aware captains in Pakistan. We just look at leaders and 'control'.

Babar will continue just like Inzamam once was untouchable despite there being much better alternatives in the team.

 

[Major]

Imran Khan also recommended Azhar Ali twice?

Anyway its from the PCB in the end. The PCB still doesn't step in and named him captain till WC 2023. So we cant put it all on Babar. That was my point.

Why cant we not put it on Babar?

Babar is not a kid, he is responsibile, if he cant do it he can resign.

Your point was blaming misbah when it was never his call.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Why cant we not put it on Babar?

Babar is not a kid, he is responsibile, if he cant do it he can resign.

Your point was blaming misbah when it was never his call.

In Pakistan resigning from your post is seen as an unpatriotic act. I don't see Babar saying 'he doesn't want to'.

He probably also feels he has done everything he could with his best friends nodding at everything.

It has to be from the PCB. Just like they removed Sarfraz and Azhar Ali before him.

 

[heddie19]

Babar's resume as captain

1) Australia T-20 Series 2019 (Lost 2-0)
2) Bangladesh T20 Series 2019 (Won 3-0)
3) England T20 Series 2019 (Drew 1-1)
4) Zimbabwe ODI Series 2019 (Won 2-1)
5) Zimbabwe T20 Series 2019 (Won 3-0)
6) South Africa Test series 2020 (Won 2-0)
7) South Africa T20 Series 2020 (Won 2-1)
8) South Africa T20 Series 2020 (Won 4-2)
9) South Africa ODI Series 2020 (Won 2-1)
10) Zimbabwe T20 Series 2020 (Won 4-1)
11) England T20 Series 2021 (Lost 2-1)
12) England ODI Series 2021 (Lost 3-0)
13) West Indies T20 Series 2021 (Won 1-0)
14) T-20 WC 2021 (Lost the SF against Australia)
15) Bangladesh T20 Series 2021 (Won 3-0)
16) Bangladesh Test Series 2021 (Won 2-0)
17) Australia Test Series 2022 (Lost 1-0)
18) Australia ODI Series 2022 (Won 2-1)
19) Australia T20 Series 2022 (Lost 1-0)
20) Captained Khi Kings to their worst PSL Season 2022
21) Netherlands ODI Series 2022 (Won 3-0)
22) Asia T20 Cup 2022 (Lost Final)
23) T20 Series against England 2022 (Lost 4-3)
24) T20 WC 2022 (Lost Final)
25) England Test series (Lost 3-0)
26) New Zealand Test series (Drew 0-0)
27) New Zealand ODI Series (Lost 2-1)
28) New Zealand T20 Series (Drew 2-2)
29) Peshawar Zalmi 2023 PSL (Lost playoffs)

In the last 4 years, Babar Azam has practically done squat as captain for Pakistan and for his franchise in the PSL. Only in Pakistan will the best batsman in the country have an unquestioned monopoly where he will be allowed to undeservedly hold on to the captaincy inspite of achieving such pathetic results with the team. Every time the PCB has debated taking the captaincy away from him, his friends in the media have put pressure on the PCB to continue with the status quo.

Where is his tri-series win in NZ against a full strength NZ at their home?

hiding deliberately?

 

[heddie19]

The BCCI never tolerated Sachin Tendulkar's ineptitude as captain for so long.

The PCB seriously lacks cajones when it comes to dealing with the backclash in the media.

Tendulker has one of the worst record as a captain. On the other hand, Babar has one of the best record as a captain accross formats.

It is rather funny how you use Sachin's name along with Babar's captaincy. Lol

 

[heddie19]

Why cant we not put it on Babar?

Babar is not a kid, he is responsibile, if he cant do it he can resign.

Your point was blaming misbah when it was never his call.

Did Misbah resign for any of the embarrassing loss he took?

Let's talk about CT '13. Have you ever seen Pakistan play worse?

 

[IMMY69]

It's not just Babar.
It's the management too.

Seeing how Chapman has been destroying our bowling and seeing how poorly Shadab has been bowling, then why not pick an off spinner? Why not try Ifti when all else are going for 12+ an over?

Babar is a poor on field captain. That's indisputable. However it seems he's surrounded by people who just can't think on their feet.

 

[Major]

Did Misbah resign for any of the embarrassing loss he took?

Let's talk about CT '13. Have you ever seen Pakistan play worse?

Calm down Babar fan, i have been defending Babar here.

Misbah never lost a game due to his captaincy. Pakistan is losing games due to babar's pathetic captaincy.

Stop mixing Babar the batsman with Babar the captain

 

[Major]

It's not just Babar.
It's the management too.

Seeing how Chapman has been destroying our bowling and seeing how poorly Shadab has been bowling, then why not pick an off spinner? Why not try Ifti when all else are going for 12+ an over?

Babar is a poor on field captain. That's indisputable. However it seems he's surrounded by people who just can't think on their feet.

nope, not team managements fault. Babarr has played under 4 different team managements, the result is same. It shows that issue isnt team management its babar

 

[heddie19]

Calm down Babar fan, i have been defending Babar here.

Misbah never lost a game due to his captaincy. Pakistan is losing games due to babar's pathetic captaincy.

Stop mixing Babar the batsman with Babar the captain

That's what you think with the Misbah lens you're wearing.


Pakistan never lost a game due to Babar's captaincy. Try removing your misbah lens so you can have a better insight at understanding the game.

 

[heddie19]

nope, not team managements fault. Babarr has played under 4 different team managements, the result is same. It shows that issue isnt team management its babar

result is same and result is that he is your most successfull t20i captain, he has almost 70% wins in odis. Despite losing 3-0 to england at home, his test record is better than so many great captains we had. Period.

 

[Savak]

result is same and result is that he is your most successfull t20i captain, he has almost 70% wins in odis. Despite losing 3-0 to england at home, his test record is better than so many great captains we had. Period.

Babar Azam

1) Australia T-20 Series 2019 (Lost 2-0)
2) Bangladesh T20 Series 2019 (Won 3-0)
3) England T20 Series 2019 (Drew 1-1)
4) Zimbabwe ODI Series 2019 (Won 2-1)
5) Zimbabwe T20 Series 2019 (Won 3-0)
6) South Africa Test series 2020 (Won 2-0)
7) South Africa T20 Series 2020 (Won 2-1)
8) South Africa T20 Series 2020 (Won 4-2)
9) South Africa ODI Series 2020 (Won 2-1)
10) Zimbabwe T20 Series 2020 (Won 4-1)
11) England T20 Series 2021 (Lost 2-1)
12) England ODI Series 2021 (Lost 3-0)
13) West Indies T20 Series 2021 (Won 1-0)
14) T-20 WC 2021 (Lost the SF against Australia)
15) Bangladesh T20 Series 2021 (Won 3-0)
16) Bangladesh Test Series 2021 (Won 2-0)
17) Australia Test Series 2022 (Lost 1-0)
18) Australia ODI Series 2022 (Won 2-1)
19) Australia T20 Series 2022 (Lost 1-0)
20) Captained Khi Kings to their worst PSL Season 2022
21) Netherlands ODI Series 2022 (Won 3-0)
22) Asia T20 Cup 2022 (Lost Final)
23) T20 Series against England 2022 (Lost 4-3)
24) T20 WC 2022 (Lost Final)
25) England Test series (Lost 3-0)
26) New Zealand Test series (Drew 0-0)
27) New Zealand ODI Series (Lost 2-1)
28) New Zealand T20 Series (Drew 2-2)
29) Peshawar Zalmi 2023 PSL (Lost playoffs)


Azhar Ali

1) Australia Test series 2019 (Lost 2-0)
2) Sri Lanka Test series 2019 (Won 1-0)
3) Bangladesh Test series 2020 (Won 1-0)
4) England Test series 2020 (Lost 1-0)

Shadab Khan

1) Afghanistan T20 series 2023 (Lost 2-1)

Bulk of the wins are against minnows or depleted top teams.

 

[Noman]

result is same and result is that he is your most successfull t20i captain, he has almost 70% wins in odis. Despite losing 3-0 to england at home, his test record is better than so many great captains we had. Period.

Babar thought We has won - Why did he not go for the kill is beyond my understanding

 

[heddie19]

Babar Azam

1) Australia T-20 Series 2019 (Lost 2-0)
2) Bangladesh T20 Series 2019 (Won 3-0)
3) England T20 Series 2019 (Drew 1-1)
4) Zimbabwe ODI Series 2019 (Won 2-1)
5) Zimbabwe T20 Series 2019 (Won 3-0)
6) South Africa Test series 2020 (Won 2-0)
7) South Africa T20 Series 2020 (Won 2-1)
8) South Africa T20 Series 2020 (Won 4-2)
9) South Africa ODI Series 2020 (Won 2-1)
10) Zimbabwe T20 Series 2020 (Won 4-1)
11) England T20 Series 2021 (Lost 2-1)
12) England ODI Series 2021 (Lost 3-0)
13) West Indies T20 Series 2021 (Won 1-0)
14) T-20 WC 2021 (Lost the SF against Australia)
15) Bangladesh T20 Series 2021 (Won 3-0)
16) Bangladesh Test Series 2021 (Won 2-0)
17) Australia Test Series 2022 (Lost 1-0)
18) Australia ODI Series 2022 (Won 2-1)
19) Australia T20 Series 2022 (Lost 1-0)
20) Captained Khi Kings to their worst PSL Season 2022
21) Netherlands ODI Series 2022 (Won 3-0)
22) Asia T20 Cup 2022 (Lost Final)
23) T20 Series against England 2022 (Lost 4-3)
24) T20 WC 2022 (Lost Final)
25) England Test series (Lost 3-0)
26) New Zealand Test series (Drew 0-0)
27) New Zealand ODI Series (Lost 2-1)
28) New Zealand T20 Series (Drew 2-2)
29) Peshawar Zalmi 2023 PSL (Lost playoffs)


Azhar Ali

1) Australia Test series 2019 (Lost 2-0)
2) Sri Lanka Test series 2019 (Won 1-0)
3) Bangladesh Test series 2020 (Won 1-0)
4) England Test series 2020 (Lost 1-0)

Shadab Khan

1) Afghanistan T20 series 2023 (Lost 2-1)

Bulk of the wins are against minnows or depleted top teams.

That has always been the case since we started playing cricket. No captain had a better H2H against Australia.

All of the previous captains played against minnows too. Minnows change every decade or so. What doesn't change is number and stats. Try to prove that with number or find a corner to cry that inspite of so many losses how come Babar has such good stats as a captain, as a captain in major tourneys etc.

 

[heddie19]

Babar thought We has won - Why did he not go for the kill is beyond my understanding

He was bowling with his fastest bowler in the middle overs. How else he would have gone for the kill? Should have hired some assassins?

 

[heddie19]

Lastly, crying over a t20i match is one of the most stupid things one can do in a year where this was our last T20.

Hold your horses anti-Babar propaganda merchants.

50 overs WC should be the target and ODI performances should be discussed and criticised instead of a useless ticky pack format in the main WC year.

 

[Saj]

There seemed to be a very relaxed approach in the field.

There was complacency when NZ were 3 down - I think the Pakistan side thought they had the match in the bag.

This is where a kick up the backside type skipper would make sure the foot wasn't taken off the throat of the opposition.

 

[Savak]

Lastly, crying over a t20i match is one of the most stupid things one can do in a year where this was our last T20.

Hold your horses anti-Babar propaganda merchants.

50 overs WC should be the target and ODI performances should be discussed and criticised instead of a useless ticky pack format in the main WC year.

I can bet every bottom dollar that stats dont lie about Babar's captaincy. His track record will show its self in the upcoming tournaments. Pakistani's will only have themselves to blame for persisting with a failed investment once the 2023 ODI WC is over

 

[IMMY69]

nope, not team managements fault. Babarr has played under 4 different team managements, the result is same. It shows that issue isnt team management its babar

I shouldn't have to spell this out for you BUT the issues stem from the PCB.

They really are clueless and this permeates down to the management (selectors, coaches, captain etc)...

 

[Rana]

I shouldn't have to spell this out for you BUT the issues stem from the PCB.

They really are clueless and this permeates down to the management (selectors, coaches, captain etc)...

Who appointed Babar in the first place? This PCB management or the Jahaaz management before?

 

[heddie19]

I can bet every bottom dollar that stats dont lie about Babar's captaincy. His track record will show its self in the upcoming tournaments. Pakistani's will only have themselves to blame for persisting with a failed investment once the 2023 ODI WC is over

A failed investment that won ODI series against AUS and SA in SA after how many years IDK. But sure. I assure you, that we won't do worse than last 2 WCs. Misbah-Afridi was cancer to LOI. Aren't you guys happy that we're doing better than that already?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I shouldn't have to spell this out for you BUT the issues stem from the PCB.

They really are clueless and this permeates down to the management (selectors, coaches, captain etc)...

Nah man he's hopeless.

We can't blame the PCB for this.

This is a full strength Pakistan side that got taken to the cleaners by a Kiwi second XI and an ex associate player.

I agree with [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] his use of bowlers is criminal. He needs to slip in a couple from the part timers so he has the room to juggle bowlers at the end.

 

[Major]

That's what you think with the Misbah lens you're wearing.


Pakistan never lost a game due to Babar's captaincy. Try removing your misbah lens so you can have a better insight at understanding the game.

If you want to have a mature discussion than maybe first stop bringing in other players in threads related too Babar Azam.

The reason we got kicked out of two world cups, one asia cup and a series lost today was due to Babars captaincy

 

[Major]

result is same and result is that he is your most successfull t20i captain, he has almost 70% wins in odis. Despite losing 3-0 to england at home, his test record is better than so many great captains we had. Period.

Stats mean nothing.

You can pull out a statistic that says he won 90% percent of the games he played during the World T20 2021 or Asia Cup 2022, and he only lost one game. And if I ask you which game than the answer will be the semi final and final.

So plz, that statistic is irrelevent for a person that has seen Babar Azam's captaincy and can discuss based on qualitative info.

 

[IMMY69]

Nah man he's hopeless.

We can't blame the PCB for this.

This is a full strength Pakistan side that got taken to the cleaners by a Kiwi second XI and an ex associate player.

I agree with [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] his use of bowlers is criminal. He needs to slip in a couple from the part timers so he has the room to juggle bowlers at the end.

No no no

I think Babar is a useless tactician and am on record for saying how his captaincy cost us crucial games.

But if you have a strong PCB and Management then we wouldn't be discussing Babar's captaincy in April 2023.

 

[IMMY69]

Who appointed Babar in the first place? This PCB management or the Jahaaz management before?

It's not about this PCB or the five that came before it.
The system is just useless and needs to be overhauled

 

[Major]

I shouldn't have to spell this out for you BUT the issues stem from the PCB.

They really are clueless and this permeates down to the management (selectors, coaches, captain etc)...

It is not PCB's fault. Again, im repeating myself here, Babar has played under three PCB Regimes, and four different team managements.

By now, every person and his dog knows that issue is Babar Azam's captaincy not the so called team management or the PCB. All three PCB and all four team management are to be blamed? NO!

 

[IMMY69]

It is not PCB's fault. Again, im repeating myself here, Babar has played under three PCB Regimes, and four different team managements.

By now, every person and his dog knows that issue is Babar Azam's captaincy not the so called team management or the PCB. All three PCB and all four team management are to be blamed? NO!

You keep missing my point.

If you don't overhaul the system you will continue get the likes of Babar as captain and the same old inconsistency

 

[Major]

It's not about this PCB or the five that came before it.
The system is just useless and needs to be overhauled

How is the system to be blamed? The system was overhauled twice.

All you need to do is make the decision of changing the captain, thats it.

Karachi Kings did it, with all the hate they got. Now i dont know if Babar Azam himself resigned or KK had him traded on purpose.

Either way, Babar needs to take decision himself or else he will be blamed, he is not a child

 

[Major]

You keep missing my point.

If you don't overhaul the system you will continue get the likes of Babar as captain and the same old inconsistency

how is system to be blamed? Anyone can be named captained. It has nothing to do with system.

Anyone can be named captain and anyone can be removed captain. Just like how Sarfraz and Azhar were removed. Sarfraz's removal was justified.

Its not the chairman's decision, its the selectors decision. No one had the guts to remove him due to the fan backlash. Babar azam will also be blamed for it aswell cause he himself isn't resigning

 

[Savak]

4 years is a long time for someone to be captain with so many series defeats and tournament losses on their record. Not to forget Babar led Pakistan to their worst home season ever. If he was not the best batsman in the team, he would have been chucked out of the side.

 

[PakHammer]

Shaan Masood should have been picked ahead of Haris today as he has been in bad form. Politics at work as Mickey may still appoint Shaan as ODI captain.

 

[Savak]

Babar's resume as captain

1) Australia T-20 Series 2019 (Lost 2-0)
2) Bangladesh T20 Series 2019 (Won 3-0)
3) England T20 Series 2019 (Drew 1-1)
4) Zimbabwe ODI Series 2019 (Won 2-1)
5) Zimbabwe T20 Series 2019 (Won 3-0)
6) South Africa Test series 2020 (Won 2-0)
7) South Africa T20 Series 2020 (Won 2-1)
8) South Africa T20 Series 2020 (Won 4-2)
9) South Africa ODI Series 2020 (Won 2-1)
10) Zimbabwe T20 Series 2020 (Won 4-1)
11) England T20 Series 2021 (Lost 2-1)
12) England ODI Series 2021 (Lost 3-0)
13) West Indies T20 Series 2021 (Won 1-0)
14) T-20 WC 2021 (Lost the SF against Australia)
15) Bangladesh T20 Series 2021 (Won 3-0)
16) Bangladesh Test Series 2021 (Won 2-0)
17) Australia Test Series 2022 (Lost 1-0)
18) Australia ODI Series 2022 (Won 2-1)
19) Australia T20 Series 2022 (Lost 1-0)
20) Captained Khi Kings to their worst PSL Season 2022
21) Drew against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka (1-1)
22) Netherlands ODI Series 2022 (Won 3-0)
23) Asia T20 Cup 2022 (Lost Final)
24) T20 Series against England 2022 (Lost 4-3)
25) T20 Tri Series in NZ featuring NZ, Bangladesh (Won)
26) T20 WC 2022 (Lost Final)
27) England Test series (Lost 3-0)
28) New Zealand Test series (Drew 0-0)
29) New Zealand ODI Series (Lost 2-1)
30) New Zealand T20 Series (Drew 2-2)
31) Peshawar Zalmi 2023 PSL (Lost playoffs)

14 very disappointing results in terms of losses and draws. 8 series wins against minnows and lowly ranked teams. Only one significant win as captain i.e. against South Africa at home in 2021 (2-0). 4 wins against second and third string top teams.

The data is in front of everyone. So much for the bowlers and Babar have won us enough.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Time to move on from Babar. The data is clear.

The team is not strong but is being made weaker by Babar's captaincy.

Time for Shaheen to step up.

 

[Savak]

Time to move on from Babar. The data is clear.

The team is not strong but is being made weaker by Babar's captaincy.

Time for Shaheen to step up.

Only Pakistan would persist with an individual who can't even lead his PSL team competently. The fact Babar is being allowed to keep the captaincy for 4 years without any major wins is indicative of the player power that prevails in Pakistan Cricket.

 

[msb314]

Time to move on from Babar. The data is clear.

The team is not strong but is being made weaker by Babar's captaincy.

Time for Shaheen to step up.

LOL this is the same Shaheen that gets hammered every game regardless of format.

Useless mediocre bowler who needs to be dropped from every format - let along be made captain..

 

[heddie19]

A failed investment that won ODI series against AUS and SA in SA after how many years IDK. But sure. I assure you, that we won't do worse than last 2 WCs. Misbah-Afridi was cancer to LOI. Aren't you guys happy that we're doing better than that already?

A failed investment that won ODI series against AUS and SA in SA after how many years IDK. But sure. I assure you, that we won't do worse than last 2 WCs. Misbah-Afridi was cancer to LOI. Aren't you guys happy that we're doing better than that already?

 

[Markhor]

LOL this is the same Shaheen that gets hammered every game regardless of format.

Useless mediocre bowler who needs to be dropped from every format - let along be made captain..

Drop our only world class bowler ?

 

[Rana]

Drop our only world class bowler ?

World class first over bowler

 

[shaz619]

World class first over bowler

You want to drop him from Tests and ODI’s for being hit for boundaries in T20’s

 

[Markhor]

result is same and result is that he is your most successfull t20i captain, he has almost 70% wins in odis. Despite losing 3-0 to england at home, his test record is better than so many great captains we had. Period.

Babar is the only PAK Test captain in recent memory to oversee eight consecutive winless home Tests. He's the only PAK Test captain to have lost a series 3-0 in PAK.

Please don't defend the indefensible.

 

[shaz619]

Babar is the only PAK Test captain in recent memory to oversee eight consecutive winless home Tests. He's the only PAK Test captain to have lost a series 3-0 in PAK.

Please don't defend the indefensible.

If not before, I think he may get the sack after the World Cup

 

[Rana]

You want to drop him from Tests and ODI’s for being hit for boundaries in T20’s

You can keep playing him. Just saying that he is only a real threat with the new ball

 

[Markhor]

You want to drop him from Tests and ODI’s for being hit for boundaries in T20’s

I think people deserve Anwar Ali and Lambu Irfan opening the bowling again.

 

[RyanRyan10]

LOL this is the same Shaheen that gets hammered every game regardless of format.

Useless mediocre bowler who needs to be dropped from every format - let along be made captain..

Someone averaging under 25 in all he 3 formats is useless and mediocre?

 

[RyanRyan10]

You can keep playing him. Just saying that he is only a real threat with the new ball

Dilbar Hussain can replace him with Asif Ali replacing Babar as a skipper

 

[Rana]

Dilbar Hussain can replace him with Asif Ali replacing Babar as a skipper

Well yes

Asif Ali would be a better captain than Babar

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Babar as a captain is nothing more than an abs shame ....

it sickens to see how pathetic he is as a captain...

making a small speech behind closed doors or making sarcastic n funny comments at a press conference doesnt make u a dhoni.... u have to perform as a captain dhoni to b like 1

babar is weak and coward... as a captain...

people might not like this but the only proper cricketing brain we have, who can lead is Shaan Massod ... he understands the game better than most and is a natural leader

Long term, one has to groom Shaheen Shah.. SSA needs to learn the difference between being aggressive and being flat out stupid.. he is more on the later side at the min

 

[hitthestump]

Time to move on from Babar. The data is clear.

The team is not strong but is being made weaker by Babar's captaincy.

Time for Shaheen to step up.

Shaheen isn't ready for captaincy. There could be a link with the drop off in his bowling and his new found 'love' for batting. We don't want to burden our only decent bowler with the toughest job in cricket.

Rizwan could be an option. He is in the Babar clique so there will be a lot of similarities, but less complacency as he will be a new leader with new expectations.

Shadab isn't an option anymore. Guy can barely land two balls in the same spot. He shouldn't be in the team right now.

 

[Firebat]

Pakistan T20I series results under Babar (including tournaments):

18 series, 9 wins, 7 losses, 2 draws.

Those wins include 2 vs Zimbabwe, 3 vs Bangladesh, 2 vs Windies

 

[Savak]

Shaheen isn't ready for captaincy. There could be a link with the drop off in his bowling and his new found 'love' for batting. We don't want to burden our only decent bowler with the toughest job in cricket.

Rizwan could be an option. He is in the Babar clique so there will be a lot of similarities, but less complacency as he will be a new leader with new expectations.

Shadab isn't an option anymore. Guy can barely land two balls in the same spot. He shouldn't be in the team right now.

Shaheen also has a really strong Lahore Qalandars team with the best bowling line up which can challenge any international team, i would like to see how he does with weaker resources. We have already seen many times that he totally loses his composure under pressure

 

[aukhan]

Babar won't last long. He will be removed after losing the 2023 World Cup. No way we are winning any world cup under this dumb dehati.

 

[topspin]

LOL this is the same Shaheen that gets hammered every game regardless of format.

Useless mediocre bowler who needs to be dropped from every format - let along be made captain..

He's been our best bowler in 2019 WC, 2021 WT20 and 2022 WT20. If I'm not mistaken that's Pakistan's last 3 x white ball events.

You do realise in the 2022 WT20 not only was he our best bowler but he wasn't anywhere near 100% fit? He was solely relying on his bowling ability.

He shouldn't have played PSL either because again he hadn't even made a full recovery from his knee injury and at times didn't look fully fit. In the final, he delivered when it mattered. Those wickets he took made the difference between winning by 1 run and losing the final.

You have to be blind as a bat if you genuinely think he's a "medicore" "trash bowler".

 

[MenInG]

Salim Malik speaking to the media.

“Babar Azam is a young captain and you can’t learn the art of captaincy in one day"

“Azam is a renowned name in Pakistan cricket and he should be given complete chance to prove himself. This is also important in terms of making a good Pakistan team.

“If Babar makes mistakes, we should guide him instead of doing unnecessary criticism.”

 

[MenInG]

Babar getting a lot of praise for his captaincy in the 3rd ODI

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Wasim just 6 overs today and only conceded 24 runs when the spinners went for 180 runs in 25 overs <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakvNZ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1655278492991332354?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 7, 2023</a></blockquote>
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[Prince of Pakistan]

In the end Mark Butcher was right. Babar overdoing the spinners gave NZ 30 runs extra.

I would still say a decent series for Babar. Will never be a tactician, but as long as he keeps winning none to doubt him.

Real test will be against the big four sides.

 

[Saj]

Back to his bad habits today once again.

No idea why he only gave Mohammad Wasim 6 overs, yet the spinners were being smashed around.

 

[Nado_]

Back to his bad habits today once again.

No idea why he only gave Mohammad Wasim 6 overs, yet the spinners were being smashed around.

Maybe he struggles to keep count lol in all seriousness he just doesn’t seem like he plans for wickets or can think away from plan A. Cricket is not like football, I’m not a fan of this mentality where your most experienced / peak player is always captain by default. In cricket the captain has massive role . Bat order, field setttings , bowler selection. I just don’t

 

[MenInG]

Umar Gul in a recent interview

"No human is perfect either he is a sportsman or anyone else. Every individual has strength and weaknesses. Yes you can say that it's his weakness, but obviously he [Babar] must have seen this and he might be working on his weak zone. There are coaches who are with him, especially the new batting coach and the head coach, who will definitely work on that particular thing. Just like I said, there is always room for improvement"

"You can always improve until you say, I am complete, and I don't need to learn anymore, so, it means that your downfall begins. But the amount of hard work, Babar Azam is putting in, focusing on his batting, I hope that he will definitely work on the weaknesses that is pointed out"

"When you have coaches, they keep telling you from time to time what your strengths are. They also inform you about the strengths and weaknesses of the team you are playing against. There is no doubt that Babar Azam is the top batsman in the world, and Pakistan has found an excellent batsman after a long time. So, he is working on his weaknesses and will continue to do so"

 

[CricketingMinds]

Umar Gul in a recent interview

"No human is perfect either he is a sportsman or anyone else. Every individual has strength and weaknesses. Yes you can say that it's his weakness, but obviously he [Babar] must have seen this and he might be working on his weak zone. There are coaches who are with him, especially the new batting coach and the head coach, who will definitely work on that particular thing. Just like I said, there is always room for improvement"

"You can always improve until you say, I am complete, and I don't need to learn anymore, so, it means that your downfall begins. But the amount of hard work, Babar Azam is putting in, focusing on his batting, I hope that he will definitely work on the weaknesses that is pointed out"

"When you have coaches, they keep telling you from time to time what your strengths are. They also inform you about the strengths and weaknesses of the team you are playing against. There is no doubt that Babar Azam is the top batsman in the world, and Pakistan has found an excellent batsman after a long time. So, he is working on his weaknesses and will continue to do so"

What is the 'this' Gul talking about. Not very clear

 

[Bilal7]

Win or lose, Babar should be relieved of the captaincy following this world cup. He is a generational batsman and should be focused solely on scoring runs.

You can clearly see how worrying about his bowlers has ended up negatively impacting his batting in the last few months.

Our new captain should be Mohammad Rizwan.