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Ramiz Raja:

"Babar Azam is no less than Don Bradman. In white-ball cricket, he has statistically become the best player in the world. I have never seen so much consistency from a player in such a risky format. The base of which is his technique and temperament. He has no technical issues, whether it is a grassy pitch or a pitch like Karachi, where bowlers generally struggles"

"He is fastest to 5000 ODI runs and has surpassed many legends like Viv Richards, which is a big achievement. He is the reason why Pakistan has become number one team in ODI rankings"
 
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This is the cringe worthy praise that shoots these guys egos to the moon. Actually, probably to another galaxy altogether.

Razzaq: Shehzad is more talented than Tendulkar

Rameez: Babar >= Bradman

And then ofc, fans hyping Afridi after fastest 100 to the point of him only coming out to hit a six, regardless of match situation. Just for the thrill presumably.

Irresponsible statements. I’m yet to see an ex Indian cricketer call Jasprit Bumrah or whoever as no less than Wasim Akram or more talented than Malcolm Marshall.
 
Ramiz is not saying he is Bradman now but is comparing him to Bradman

Think a few feathers will be ruffled but that is Ramiz - known for his hyperbole

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Rambo is saying Baber is the Bradman of white ball cricket.

Remember, there was no such thing as white ball or Limited overs cricket in Bradman's era.
 
Over the top statements.
Babar is a good player, actually a very good player, but look at yesterday when on 88 it took him 12 balls to get to 100. That when the innings was at the final stages.

He takes minimum risks.
 
How is he the Bradman of white ball cricket??

Compare Babar to Ponting. So what’s Ponting if Babar is the Bradman?
 
Babar has become a legend in ODI but unfortunately, ODI cricket itself is dying and outside WCs will cease to be played in the next few years.
 
Suleiman said:
This is the cringe worthy praise that shoots these guys egos to the moon. Actually, probably to another galaxy altogether.

Razzaq: Shehzad is more talented than Tendulkar

Rameez: Babar >= Bradman

And then ofc, fans hyping Afridi after fastest 100 to the point of him only coming out to hit a six, regardless of match situation. Just for the thrill presumably.

Irresponsible statements. I’m yet to see an ex Indian cricketer call Jasprit Bumrah or whoever as no less than Wasim Akram or more talented than Malcolm Marshall.
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The shehzad comment was ridiculous but Babar is a far superior talent then him and will probably go down as Pakistan’s greatest across all formats.

In ODI’s especially Babar is batting like a dream mA, don’t look at it as a direct comparison but I think rambo was more or less looking at it from a dominance POV, who has been better in the same way? Pakistanis get carried away but I think we should allow it for now, this moment wont come around again
 
Please stop such comments.

Babar and Bradman. Nowhere near yet.

Not a fan of comparisons but if they have to be made, they should be done when players retire.
 
The most useless and pointless comparison I've heard. Ramiz continues to amaze.
 
no body who understands what a statistical anomaly bradman was would ever compare another sportsman, let alone cricketer, to bradman.
 
ElRaja said:
no body who understands what a statistical anomaly bradman was would ever compare another sportsman, let alone cricketer, to bradman.
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It is likely not a statistical anomaly but a statistical misinterpretation. When Bradman was operating, he was playing only Eng in tests in much fewer venues. He had mastered that challenge. Since, cricket has expanded, and batters need to adapt to 10 different countries and perform across formats. There are examples of several cricketers who average in the 90s in 1 country.

Someone should do a study on this.
 
Farabi said:
It is likely not a statistical anomaly but a statistical misinterpretation. When Bradman was operating, he was playing only Eng in tests in much fewer venues. He had mastered that challenge. Since, cricket has expanded, and batters need to adapt to 10 different countries and perform across formats. There are examples of several cricketers who average in the 90s in 1 country.

Someone should do a study on this.
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The point is that no one else in his time was able to master this challenge. He was not the only Australian batsman to play England only in a few select venues. Yet, no one could do what he did. Similarly, none of the English batsmen could dominate Australian bowlers in a similar fashion.

It is very obvious that there was something extraordinary about him. It wasn’t normal. Maybe he was a genius, maybe he was gifted with unusual natural ability, maybe he found a fool-proof method, a hack so to speak. Maybe he knew something about batting that others did not.

Whatever it was, he had qualities that go above and beyond normal human capacity and that would have given him a distinct advantage over his peers in any era.

There is no doubt that if the same Bradman is transported to modern era with the same technique, he will be worse than a tailender because the game has evolved and developed too much.

There has been a big jump in the standard of cricket and it all started when the first genuine fast bowlers (not fake stories of Trueman and Larwood bowling at 90 mph, they didn’t, they couldn’t) Thompson and Lillee emerged.

They raised the bar in terms of pace and forced batsmen to adapt. They also inspired a whole generation of fast bowlers in the Caribbean.

Also, necessary is the mother of invention - it was around this time that helmets and protective gear became mainstream. Before this era, the bowlers were not quick enough for the batsmen to worry about getting hurt.

Nevertheless, if Bradman was born today with the same mindset and the same genius, he would probably tower over his peers because his game would be adapted to modern cricket but those qualities that gave him advantage over his peers would be applicable today as well.
 
Actually no..Babar is an exceptional batting talent but not a genius of the game.

Is there something which only Babar can do on a cricket field and no other player can do the same? His forte is his consistency across all formats but he doesn't give you something extraordinary which could give you an edge at international level.
 
Mamoon said:
The point is that no one else in his time was able to master this challenge. He was not the only Australian batsman to play England only in a few select venues. Yet, no one could do what he did. Similarly, none of the English batsmen could dominate Australian bowlers in a similar fashion.

It is very obvious that there was something extraordinary about him. It wasn’t normal. Maybe he was a genius, maybe he was gifted with unusual natural ability, maybe he found a fool-proof method, a hack so to speak. Maybe he knew something about batting that others did not.

Whatever it was, he had qualities that go above and beyond normal human capacity and that would have given him a distinct advantage over his peers in any era.

There is no doubt that if the same Bradman is transported to modern era with the same technique, he will be worse than a tailender because the game has evolved and developed too much.

There has been a big jump in the standard of cricket and it all started when the first genuine fast bowlers (not fake stories of Trueman and Larwood bowling at 90 mph, they didn’t, they couldn’t) Thompson and Lillee emerged.

They raised the bar in terms of pace and forced batsmen to adapt. They also inspired a whole generation of fast bowlers in the Caribbean.

Also, necessary is the mother of invention - it was around this time that helmets and protective gear became mainstream. Before this era, the bowlers were not quick enough for the batsmen to worry about getting hurt.

Nevertheless, if Bradman was born today with the same mindset and the same genius, he would probably tower over his peers because his game would be adapted to modern cricket but those qualities that gave him advantage over his peers would be applicable today as well.
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While Bradman's accomplishments are undoubtedly extraordinary, we need not romanticize his abilities as something beyond the reach of human potential.

By contextualizing his performance within the context of his peers, we acknowledge that comparisons should be made based on the standards of their respective eras.

Bradman indeed stood out as the pinnacle of cricket during his time, facing a specific set of challenges. However, the current generation of cricketers showcases remarkable consistency in a more diverse and intricate cricketing landscape, which can be deemed even more difficult to master.

It is essential to appreciate Bradman's achievements while recognizing that cricket, like any sport, progresses and presents distinct challenges in each era.

Comparing Bradman's 99 batting average to modern cricketers is like comparing the academic performance of a student in a small classroom of 10 students to that of a student in a large university lecture hall. The smaller classroom may have a top-performing student with a perfect score, while the larger lecture hall may have high-achieving students with scores in the 80s or 90s. The context and level of competition greatly influence the statistical comparison, making it difficult to directly equate Bradman's average to the achievements of modern cricketers.

Considering the present circumstances, I view an ODI batting average of 60 today as being just as much a "statistical anomaly" as a batting average of 99 was back then.
 
Farabi said:
It is likely not a statistical anomaly but a statistical misinterpretation. When Bradman was operating, he was playing only Eng in tests in much fewer venues. He had mastered that challenge. Since, cricket has expanded, and batters need to adapt to 10 different countries and perform across formats. There are examples of several cricketers who average in the 90s in 1 country.

Someone should do a study on this.
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this is what i mean when i say ppl dont appreciate the numbers.

there have been numerous players who have played in only one league, or similar kind of conditions, but no one comes close to how anomalous his average was compared to everyone else.

not just in cricket, but in cricket and baseball combined. from what i had read, when i was trying to find out more info abt this stuff years ago, the only other person who comes close is wayne gretzky in ice hockey.
 
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There is only 1 batsman whom Sir Don himself said is better than him and his name is Sachin Tendulkar.
 
Rajdeep said:
There is only 1 batsman whom Sir Don himself said is better than him and his name is Sachin Tendulkar.
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Babar is a very Sachin sort of a batsman. Plays extremely well but within his elements. If Babar is able to play 300 ODIs he will get close to Sachin.
 
Rajdeep said:
There is only 1 batsman whom Sir Don himself said is better than him and his name is Sachin Tendulkar.
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Yes and if Sachin was playing in today's era constantly as Babar plays against substandard attacks of teams like West Indies, Sri Lanka, B, C, D teams then his runs and average might be at another level.
No doubt Babar is a quality batter but then we hardly play consistently against the Big 3 who have a more lethal attack then the rest.

Babar is a run- machine but not someone who is feared by bowlers all over the world. He needs to score in ICC tournaments against quality and full-strength bowling attacks.
 
Rajdeep said:
There is only 1 batsman whom Sir Don himself said is better than him and his name is Sachin Tendulkar.
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It's not Babar's fault that Sir Don died before seeing him play.

He would have surely said the same for Babar.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Rambo is saying Baber is the Bradman of white ball cricket.

Remember, there was no such thing as white ball or Limited overs cricket in Bradman's era.
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There is only one Bradman of white ball cricket and that is the guy with these stats:
Almost 13k runs at an average of 58 and a strike rate of 94 with 46 hundreds in ODIs
An average of 53 and a strike rate of 138 with 37 fifties in T20Is
 
DeadlyVenom said:
It's not Babar's fault that Sir Don died before seeing him play.

He would have surely said the same for Babar.
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Well, he has seen Viv, Gavaskar, Lara etc play but reserved the praise only for Sschin.
 
Babar is very good but comparing him to Bradman is a bit of a stretch.

Ramiz got carried away perhaps.
 
MenInG said:
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Out of those 14 centuries, 5 came against West Indies, 3 came against Sri Lanka, and 1 came against Zimbabwe.
 
Rajdeep said:
There is only 1 batsman whom Sir Don himself said is better than him and his name is Sachin Tendulkar.
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Oh this old chestnut.

I really do feel for the Sachin brigade. They were convinced that he will surpass every record, every average of any of his peers. Leaving no doubt that he was the greatest of his era.

He might not be as dominant as Lara or Ponting…..but he’ll have the best average….woops Sangakarra’ is higher, as is kallis.

Then look look - he’s made the most runs…..but err yea he’s played the most matches too…

Ok he’s made the most centuries too…..err yea he’s also played the most matches…

He’s played crucial 4th innings knocks….err maybe not..

He’s played matchwinning World Cup final innings…..hmmm…ok..

Let’s find something else….

Oh yes….he’s the best because an 80 year old former legend bradman said so….

And and…..he was selected in some random world XIs… there you go I proved it…

Laughable reaching really.
 
TheSultan said:
Oh this old chestnut.

I really do feel for the Sachin brigade. They were convinced that he will surpass every record, every average of any of his peers. Leaving no doubt that he was the greatest of his era.

He might not be as dominant as Lara or Ponting…..but he’ll have the best average….woops Sangakarra’ is higher, as is kallis.

Then look look - he’s made the most runs…..but err yea he’s played the most matches too…

Ok he’s made the most centuries too…..err yea he’s also played the most matches…

He’s played crucial 4th innings knocks….err maybe not..

He’s played matchwinning World Cup final innings…..hmmm…ok..

Let’s find something else….

Oh yes….he’s the best because an 80 year old former legend bradman said so….

And and…..he was selected in some random world XIs… there you go I proved it…

Laughable reaching really.
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Oh wow, that was some rant :91:

But the fact remains, Sir Don himself named Sachin as better than him and not Lara, Ponting or Sangakkara. He also invited him to his house as special guest on his 90th birthday

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I know it must hurt for you to admit though :P
 
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Never in cricketing history has more hot air and hype been spoken about a player who's delivered such little under pressure.

Quick story. I distinctly recall a passage of play vs AUS in the 2019 World Cup. PAK were chasing 300+ and Babar came into bat. As usual he stroked a few pretty boundaries including a trademark coverdrive. As usual the commentators, including Ramiz, purred about his technique, did a little analysis of how everything's in a straight line etc.

In fairness, Babar looked in total control and ready for a big knock. Few balls later, he gets out to a bouncer from Nathan Coulter-Nile playing a pull shot he was never in control of and straight to the man on the fence. Out for 30 off 28.

That epitomises this guy. All aesthetics and no substance. Makes a start but rarely that decisive contribution.

Two newbies in Abdullah Shafique and Saud Shakeel already won us as many World Cup games as Babar has in his entire ODI career. Asia Cup 2022, T20 World Cup 2022, Asia Cup 2023 (bar 150 vs mighty Nepal) and now the 2023 World Cup is becoming an alarming trend of underperformance on the big stage.

Don Bradman ? Think poor man's Mohammad Yousuf is more accurate.
 
Ramiz played a big role in this decline.

He was the one who made people believe we were truly a great team
 
lets be objective here, babar is a very good batsman, but hes no where near as good as pakistanis have made out, but the most irksome trend is the celebworship trend which used to be an indian phenomenon which Pakistani fans have imported.

he fails, all twitter is love hearts and crowns, dont support me at my best if u cant support me at my worst kinda childish hero worship, but its done by grown men and women.

its either total hate, or total fanboyism, and hes believed the hype, either supporters or haters. the only other recent Pakistan cricketer to have his level of fandom was shahid afridi, and even his staunchest supporters admitted his faults.

babar is beyond criticism, its about time he drops down the order, because the only value hes providing is helping the batting order believe that he can take them home, so let everyone bat ahead of him with the confidence he will pick up the pieces behind, whether he does or doesnt.
 
I don't want to sound like that guy but I know the "andar ki kahaani" of Ramiz Raja. Heard plenty sitting in the PCB CEO's office.

I personally think Babar has gotten a bit comfortable and complacent, and Ramiz played a big part in pushing him towards that. Letting him walk into his office whenever he liked and allowing him to blacklist certain players, like Imad, from playing because he found them 'toxic' (lmao).

We will definitely bounce back and most probably qualify in the Top 4 but my point is there is a long term rot of Pakistan cricket taking place. Dosti Yaari XI is a more accurate name than some of you might think.
 
Swing said:
I don't want to sound like that guy but I know the "andar ki kahaani" of Ramiz Raja. Heard plenty sitting in the PCB CEO's office.

I personally think Babar has gotten a bit comfortable and complacent, and Ramiz played a big part in pushing him towards that. Letting him walk into his office whenever he liked and allowing him to blacklist certain players, like Imad, from playing because he found them 'toxic' (lmao).

We will definitely bounce back and most probably qualify in the Top 4 but my point is there is a long term rot of Pakistan cricket taking place. Dosti Yaari XI is a more accurate name than some of you might think.
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How will we ‘definitely’ bounce back?

You have to win all games against England, SA and NZ
 
Rana said:
How will we ‘definitely’ bounce back?

You have to win all games against England, SA and NZ
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Our net runrate isn't atrociously bad. We can even lose one more game and still qualify.
 
Swing said:
I don't want to sound like that guy but I know the "andar ki kahaani" of Ramiz Raja. Heard plenty sitting in the PCB CEO's office.

I personally think Babar has gotten a bit comfortable and complacent, and Ramiz played a big part in pushing him towards that. Letting him walk into his office whenever he liked and allowing him to blacklist certain players, like Imad, from playing because he found them 'toxic' (lmao).

We will definitely bounce back and most probably qualify in the Top 4 but my point is there is a long term rot of Pakistan cricket taking place. Dosti Yaari XI is a more accurate name than some of you might think.
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It boils my blood hearing Ramiz on commentary after his stint as Chairman. He talks about Pakistan's lack of planning, tactical mistakes etc as if he was a mere passenger these last two years.

Despite Babar's long history of captaincy struggles in U19s, domestic and PSL - Ramiz gave him unchallenged authority that no PAK captain has enjoyed since Inzamam.

Instead of hiring top coaches to guide him - Ramiz hired armchair philosopher Saqlain with zero head coach experience, his commentary buddy Matthew Hayden and other random unqualified coaches.
 
Markhor said:
It boils my blood hearing Ramiz on commentary after his stint as Chairman. He talks about Pakistan's lack of planning, tactical mistakes etc as if he was a mere passenger these last two years.

Despite Babar's long history of captaincy struggles in U19s, domestic and PSL - Ramiz gave him unchallenged authority that no PAK captain has enjoyed since Inzamam.

Instead of hiring top coaches to guide him - Ramiz hired armchair philosopher Saqlain with zero head coach experience, his commentary buddy Matthew Hayden and other random unqualified coaches.
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Brother I saw most of these shenanigans happen right in front of me. Between around January 2022 till this year when the CEO post was dissolved by Najam Sethi.

Seen all these clowns faff around doing nothing, just the bare minimum to keep their jobs. Don't expect anything from Zaka Ashraf either. He is more concerned about how the staff serves him his meal that is ordered from PC Hotel. He likes it served in a specific way with the plates and the cutlery going in a specific order or he'll get annoyed at the waiter :)
 
In the history of the game, no one this hyped has delivered so little in terms of impact. Even Afridi was hot choco lava once in a dozen outings.
 
Being given unchallenged authority and power as captain in the last 3-4 years took away Babar's hunger and drive to take his game to the next level. He has regressed badly as a batsman in the last 2 years.
 
Swing said:
Brother I saw most of these shenanigans happen right in front of me. Between around January 2022 till this year when the CEO post was dissolved by Najam Sethi.

Seen all these clowns faff around doing nothing, just the bare minimum to keep their jobs. Don't expect anything from Zaka Ashraf either. He is more concerned about how the staff serves him his meal that is ordered from PC Hotel. He likes it served in a specific way with the plates and the cutlery going in a specific order or he'll get annoyed at the waiter :)
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Wow thanks for the insight. And to think these are the people running the game we put so much time and emotions into.
 
This is so embrassing. Ik Bradman is from an Old era so the best of all time is debatable,

But Bradman was the best in his era by miles, and literally no one came close. The 2nd best player of that era Larwood, couldn't even lick his boots.

Babar is no where close to the best of his era let alone far far superior to the rest of his era. If anything he is far far behind the top goats of his era lol.

The comparison makes zero sense. One is far superior to anyone of his time, the other is a pot belly dosti yaari cake meme.
 
mominsaigol said:
This is so embrassing. Ik Bradman is from an Old era so the best of all time is debatable,

But Bradman was the best in his era by miles, and literally no one came close. The 2nd best player of that era Larwood, couldn't even lick his boots.

Babar is no where close to the best of his era let alone far far superior to the rest of his era. If anything he is far far behind the top goats of his era lol.

The comparison makes zero sense. One is far superior to anyone of his time, the other is a pot belly dosti yaari cake meme.
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Bradman was a stat padder. He invented it.

Babar is a bigger stat padder but with significantly less skill. He killed it.

Both are shameless batters.
 
Rameez should try stand up comedy.

He really can tell all these things with a straight face and he will attract a crowd of good proportions. His confused face after people will laugh hysterically will only cement his place as a performer. Maybe he can try his old 'Rambo' outfit.
 
ArabKnight said:
Bradman was a stat padder. He invented it.

Babar is a bigger stat padder but with significantly less skill. He killed it.

Both are shameless batters.
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How was bradman a stat padder? He won every game for Australia while batting 💀, and only lost one game where England used bodyline, even then he averaged 55 thay series while everyone else didn't even Average 10.

Bradman scored 100 of 22 balls in a local game and would Bully everyone 😂😂. Bro what are you on about? The guy was playing odi and t20 cricket in an era where only test was a thing. He was such a nightmare, England invented an illegal delivery just to take him down and even then dominated like kohli.

Are you crazy? Massive troll comment.
 
Stark said:
Rameez should try stand up comedy.

He really can tell all these things with a straight face and he will attract a crowd of good proportions. His confused face after people will laugh hysterically will only cement his place as a performer. Maybe he can try his old 'Rambo' outfit.
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He could join Mazaaqraat, a night show of low IQ low grade low quality comedy in Lahore. He would fit in there with Misbah-doppelgänger Sakhawat.
 
mominsaigol said:
How was bradman a stat padder? He won every game for Australia while batting 💀, and only lost one game where England used bodyline, even then he averaged 55 thay series while everyone else didn't even Average 10.

Bradman scored 100 of 22 balls in a local game and would Bully everyone 😂😂. Bro what are you on about? The guy was playing odi and t20 cricket in an era where only test was a thing. He was such a nightmare, England invented an illegal delivery just to take him down and even then dominated like kohli.

Are you crazy? Massive troll comment.
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Test cricket is much easier than ODIs.
 
ArabKnight said:
He could join Mazaaqraat, a night show of low IQ low grade low quality comedy in Lahore. He would fit in there with Misbah-doppelgänger Sakhawat.
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Hmm. Maybe that fellow... Badami, can host the show, bazid be the announcer/side kick and folks like rameez, abdul razaaq, basit ali, saqlain can keep rolling in and provide inputs for a laughter riot.
 
ArabKnight said:
Test cricket is much easier than ODIs.
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No it isn't because unlike odi, the new ball rule doesn't exist so it's brutally hard to bat for long hours with a ball that gets softer and older, it's why imam and Babar get brutally exposed in test 90% of the time. Its a different format.

Secondly during this era, field restrictions + boundary circles didn't exist, bats were also extremely thin unlike the quality bats that we get now where mistimed shots go for boundaries. Ball tampering was sky high due to poor telecasting and reviews. Body line was literally a chucking thrown full force at your body and equipment didn't exist back them besides pads.

Also any time it rained matches resumed as soon as it stopped raining meaning batsmen were playing on wet and damp pitches.

Bowlers use to bowl 6 bouncers per over for God sakes lol.

Batting got easier and easier as the eras progressed. Batting today is easier then Batting in the 1990, Batting in the 1990 is easier then Batting in the 1970's.

Kohli would be averaging like 35 and sr of 72 is he batted in viv's era lol due to infinte bouncers, no boundary circles and bats requires pure class timing + ball tampering meaning those banana swinging deliveries.

Batting In the 1930's was a nightmare.

Also didn't you hear what I said? The guy scored 300's for fun in thay era, hit a 22 ball 100 easily and was consisntly scoring 60 to 65 ball 100's casually in that era.

It wasn't easy. Babar can't ever play with those thin bats no matter who the bowler is lol 😂

Saying bradman is a stat padder is the biggest joke on the planet. No wonder people were meming the boycott Pakistan thread 😂😂
 
mominsaigol said:
No it isn't because unlike odi, the new ball rule doesn't exist so it's brutally hard to bat for long hours with a ball that gets softer and older, it's why imam and Babar get brutally exposed in test 90% of the time. Its a different format.

Secondly during this era, field restrictions + boundary circles didn't exist, bats were also extremely thin unlike the quality bats that we get now where mistimed shots go for boundaries. Ball tampering was sky high due to poor telecasting and reviews. Body line was literally a chucking thrown full force at your body and equipment didn't exist back them besides pads.

Also any time it rained matches resumed as soon as it stopped raining meaning batsmen were playing on wet and damp pitches.

Bowlers use to bowl 6 bouncers per over for God sakes lol.

Batting got easier and easier as the eras progressed. Batting today is easier then Batting in the 1990, Batting in the 1990 is easier then Batting in the 1970's.

Kohli would be averaging like 35 and sr of 72 is he batted in viv's era lol due to infinte bouncers, no boundary circles and bats requires pure class timing + ball tampering meaning those banana swinging deliveries.

Batting In the 1930's was a nightmare.

Also didn't you hear what I said? The guy scored 300's for fun in thay era, hit a 22 ball 100 easily and was consisntly scoring 60 to 65 ball 100's casually in that era.

It wasn't easy. Babar can't ever play with those thin bats no matter who the bowler is lol 😂

Saying bradman is a stat padder is the biggest joke on the planet. No wonder people were meming the boycott Pakistan thread 😂😂
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Your stats and information is kinda wrong so the premise of responding to this comment is totally wacky.

He got the fastest 100? So what lol? Even Misbah had the fastest 100 in Tests at one point. Bradman didn’t hit 60 ball 100s regularly. He was more of 200-300 ball hundred batter. Yea, 50 SR. lol? 😆

You can love him all you want. But it’s more fun to watch paint dry than a pre-WWII test match between AUS-ENG.
 
I don’t want to kick a man when he’s down - oh who cares, he won’t read this anyway - babar, sort your life out.

But honestly if I was advising him. Just be quiet, quit captaincy, stay away from the limelight. Take a few series out and work on your game
 
Pakistan has to change their cricket culture. ODI's is all about having technically correct players who can go T-20 360 degree crazy when set.

The captain has to tell players Eoin Morgan style, i want you to aim for at least one boundary every over. How you do that is up to you i.e. classic cricketing shots, come down the pitch to the bowler, improvise but If you don't meet these expectations, you will not play in my team.

Pakistani batsmen are still lacking that extra gear where players once set score those big daddy hundreds and double centuries and finish their innings with strike rates of 150-200 at the end of their innings.

T-20 cricket has ruined our players. PCB needs to cut down on the T-20 nonsense, limit the players to only the PSL and just one more league but the focus has to be at least 10 test matches and 15-20 ODI's per year against quality opposition, pay out of pocket if necessary
 
Would Bradman keep getting out to half-trackers from spinners like this?

 
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Would Bradman keep getting out to half-trackers from spinners like this?

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its getting annoying now, babar needs to rectify this problem because that wasnt such a delivery on which u r keep geting out this way.
 
Ramiz Raja just stopped short of calling ‘someone’ a stat-padder.
He said: “Shouldn’t judge quality of batters with their scores on wickets that we get in Pakistan and then they get a false sense of greatness.”
Who is the ‘great’ he was referring to?
 
Devadwal said:
Ramiz Raja just stopped short of calling ‘someone’ a stat-padder.
He said: “Shouldn’t judge quality of batters with their scores on wickets that we get in Pakistan and then they get a false sense of greatness.”
Who is the ‘great’ he was referring to?
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He himself is responsible for turning all wickets in Pakistan flat when he was chairman. He fixed all pitches by pouring concrete inside them. Pakistan historically had sporty wickets supporting reverse swing. Not anymore.
 
The problem is with the expectation and the reality of cricket in Babar's time.

What exactly do people want of Babar ?

If people are expecting a number 3 who can finish off the odd chase as well - then they're going to be disappointed .

Not many ODI top order batters have done that with the odd exception like Virat Kohli and even he hasn't done that often in a pressure game against full strength attacks .

He is more of a touch player and has less of a power game than Virat at his peak and certainly does not have Virat's maniacal conditioning to bat big and aggressively.

He is a good, traditional number 3 who can bat through the middle and set up a chase. He needs better hitters around him to take risks and hit aggressively that allows him to bat naturally .

Is he a great T20 batter? Not even close. T20's cannot afford more than 1 anchor type batter and Rizwan is the superior batsman in that regard at least in T20's.

Should retire from T20Is

He really could have been a Test great and probably still can as it's his best format . But Pakistan don't care about Tests anymore and they don't have the attack to win Tests
 
ArabKnight said:
He himself is responsible for turning all wickets in Pakistan flat when he was chairman. He fixed all pitches by pouring concrete inside them. Pakistan historically had sporty wickets supporting reverse swing. Not anymore.
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Yes Ramiz was gave Babar full Power as an caption when he was PCB chairman . He was responsible for all the Pakistani Pitches during his tenure .but now on his YouTube channel he is critisized all those thing about pitch etc.
 
globetrotter said:
Babar’s bad luck is so bad as now parchi players performing better than him
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Its not bad luck!!!He was lucky to play 90% match against associate teams or C/D players of big teams. Its bound to happen. He was never been an impact player who can win match single handedly. More over players like Imam/Rizwan has better intellect/technique than him to survive and perform against big teams which Babar lacks. No top teams will select Babar in their teams.
 
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Babar’s bad luck is so bad as now parchi players performing better than him
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You can't blaming his lack of runs in 4 big tournaments so far due to bad luck.

His fans and well wishers have to accept the fact that he is overhyped and as others have noted that Babar won't make the first 11 of other top teams.

Four tournaments and a test series white wash at home to England should be enough to put the idea of his greatness with bat at bed.
 
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Wish someone pointed this quote out to Rameez on commentary.

44 from 43 against the USA epitomises everything wrong with Babar's impactless white ball batting.

His fans who kept yabbering on about building Babar's "brand" (which is currently at an all-time low) must realise no individual is greater than the team.
 
Ramiz Raja has a big role to plan in this Pakistan downfall. He says these things only to increase his YouTube following hence resulting in more $$$
 

'Ramiz Raja To Replace Babar Azam...': Former India Cricketer's Witty Idea For New Pakistan Captain After T20 World Cup Exit​


Former India cricketer Sanjay Manjrekar joked that Babar Azam should be replaced by former Pakistan cricketer Ramiz Raja as captain. Speaking on Star Sports, Manjrekar came up with the witty idea in a discussion about Pakistan's future, after they were eliminated in the group stage of the 2024 T20 World Cup. A lot of criticism has surrounded Babar Azam's performance and leadership, with many experts calling for the removal of the 29-year-old from captaincy. Manjrekar added to it with a twist of his own.

"You know, when they've been in trouble, they always go to Ramiz Raja to save them. Maybe he can become a CEO for the team, who knows? Babar Azam could be replaced by Ramiz Raja as captain. He still looks fit," joked Manjrekar.

Manjrekar's hilarious suggestion comes from the fact that Ramiz Raja had been chosen as the chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) between September 2021 and December 2022. During his tenure as chairman, Pakistan reached the semi-finals of the 2021 T20 World Cup and the Final of the 2022 T20 World Cup.

A winner of the 1992 Cricket World Cup with Pakistan, Ramiz Raja is now a reputed commentator, and a part of ICC's official commentary panel for the 2024 T20 World Cup.

India legend Sunil Gavaskar added his thoughts regarding Pakistan's unpredictability.

"You can never tell what is going to happen (with Pakistan)," said Gavaskar. "Babar was the captain six months ago in the ODI World Cup, and then he was removed. Shaheen Shah Afridi came for about two or three months, but they didn't have a good tour of New Zealand, and Babar comes back again," he said.

he saga surrounding Pakistan's current unit and Babar's captaincy is unlikely to change in the weeks following the 2024 T20 World Cup.

Pakistan crashed out in the group stage of the tournament, after a shock loss to co-hosts USA and then defeat to arch-nemesis India.

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'Ramiz Raja To Replace Babar Azam...': Former India Cricketer's Witty Idea For New Pakistan Captain After T20 World Cup Exit | Cricket News

Pakistan crashed out in the group stage of the 2024 T20 World Cup, after losses to USA and India.
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@jeeteshssaxena okay I wish to quote you here as I think it's a more relevant thread considering it has the name Don Bradman in it.

So firstly Larwood was considered the fastest bowler of his era. Now the issue is, in his era speed guns didn't exist so everyone assumed a safe figure of 95mph to 100Mph which is in the 153kph to 160kph mark which he bowl consistently. This is something that was David frith in his 1977 book proclaimed however the biggest problem was that it was later disputed.

Firstly it was noted by batters at the time that the deliveries were way too freakishly fast to be even seen by the naked eye, Secondly David frith in his book himself believes that 96 to 100mph is lower then what Larwood actually use to bowl. Now it is possible that due to poor camera quality his pace on camera seems faster, but in the bpdyline series I can't even see Larwood's ball whereas I can clearly see others.

It was taken for granted by those facing him that the ball would fly at them between 95mph and 100mph, and no one disputed that Larwood was capable of maintaining that pace while bowling with extraordinary accuracy.

Among the men who kept wicket to him, George Duckworth, on Larwood's first tour to Australia in 1928-29, laid strips of raw beef inside his gloves to protect his palms. The stench from the meat in the dry heat made his slip fielders bilious.
Heres what written in david linderman's book. smooth and silent, the leap composed and balanced, long left arm high, the lunge of the front foot giving maximum pull. " He was timed at 100 mph, but may well have been faster. Numerous batsmen suggest that he was the fastest of his time, and possibly the fastest high class bowler ever.
Almoat everyone believed that he bowled either at 160KPH consistently or significantly faster then that with some suggesting hes way too fast for the naked eye to see . It's why I estimated a 170kph number because based of my calculations that's where it would reasonably get you, (Ofcourse I don't think it's at true face value otherwise he'd be bowling at 885kph lol)

Either way one thing is clear, 160-170 is his confirmed range with his slowest range being estimated at 154 but all of this is consistent with all claims that were made about him.

Now for his action, It's very very very evident that he's throwing, the poor camera quality makes it look like some sort of advanced bumrah hyper extension but in reality he's throwing it. Here are some responses towards it.

Larwood was totally exempt from suspicion during his playing days, so to reveal that he, of all people, suffered a touch of bent-arm syndrome was a great way of opening astigmatic eyes.
I think archie posted something on here about a performance Bradman used to give when doing after-dinner speaking in the 60s. He'd show the crowd film of a left-handed bowler and, almost to a man, they agreed there was a distinct kink in the bowler's elbow. As you've probably already guessed it was actually reversed film of Larwood in action.
Post the Bodyline series, Bradman himself showed clips of Larwood and outright accused Larwood outright bending the elbow and throwing it.

Now their are people who disputed this, for example one book about Bradman claims this

Put simply, The Don’s ego could not accept that he had been somewhat neutralised by Larwood.
and this "On the other side, people often see the Australians as angelic, the epitome of sportsmanship, whose main protagonist was the immortal deity of Sir Donald George Bradman, a man who could do no wrong on the field or off it. The Australians were the innocent men who stood for justice as they valiantly fought off the unlawful British with their monstrous spearhead. Little do they know that this perception is woefully wrong"

But overall unless you believe Bradman had an ego, Bradman himself claimed Larwood was a massive cheater and showcased evidence( Evidence is disputed due to poor camera quality) of him outright cheating.

Further more every book clocks him at 100MPH but every book also claims that it was a underestimated as he was clearly clearly much much faster.

After Larwood was eventually banned post Bodyline series.

^^ This is all in books and everything I read btw.
 
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