[VIDEO] Former Pakistani envoy to India Ashraf Qazi dismantles Indian narrative regarding Kashmir

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is Pakistan's war mongering a sign of panic? Watch <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NewsToday?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NewsToday</a> with <a href="https://twitter.com/sardesairajdeep?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sardesairajdeep</a> : <a href="https://t.co/MePla0fxxE">https://t.co/MePla0fxxE</a> <a href="https://t.co/o9WR7DSGAj">pic.twitter.com/o9WR7DSGAj</a></p>— India Today (@IndiaToday) <a href="https://twitter.com/IndiaToday/status/1167144913047379969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PM <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> has come with an agenda of transformation of Pakistan for which he needs regional peace”, former envoy Jahangir Ashraf Qazi reminds war-mongering <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Indian?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Indian</a> media <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> wants peace but is ready for befitting reply.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> <a href="https://t.co/BvBUE1T9jB">pic.twitter.com/BvBUE1T9jB</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1167907765907361797?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[waqar goraya]

Ambassador Qazi spoke very well , he said it all in so little words!

I had already watched this video in the morning , still he was so lethal that i watched it again.

 

[IAJ]

Great replies by Qazi sahib. Spoke really well.

 

[SakunaPataka]

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]'s

before jumping to conclusions I would suggest you watch the full video and see the response from the Indian Diplomat starting at 14:30

https://www.indiatoday.in/programme...-sign-of-panic-1593237-2019-08-29?jwsource=cl

 

[IAJ]

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]'s

before jumping to conclusions I would suggest you watch the full video and see the response from the Indian Diplomat starting at 14:30

https://www.indiatoday.in/programme...-sign-of-panic-1593237-2019-08-29?jwsource=cl

What response? I watched the whole show, he said nothing new. But credit to him for being well behaved like the the other two on the show. These shows are so much better than the usual arnab goswami rubbish.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Schooled him. I doubt these brainwashed dimwits have the intelligence to understand though.

 

[Pakistanian]

Indian logic

Bengalis pick up arms for freedom from Pakistan: Good

Kashmiris pick up arms for freedom from India: Bad

 

[kk1992]

Indian logic

Bengalis pick up arms for freedom from Pakistan: Good

Kashmiris pick up arms for freedom from India: Bad

Have said it before and will say it again, for most Indian, the life of a muslim worth way less than a life of a hindu.

 

[SakunaPataka]

What response? I watched the whole show, he said nothing new. But credit to him for being well behaved like the the other two on the show. These shows are so much better than the usual arnab goswami rubbish.

Neither is Ashraf Qazi telling us anything new. Therefore there is no question of him "dismantling" anyone like is being claimed here.

One thing that never cease amaze me is how brazenly Pakistani establishment play the "Savior" card while simultaneously naming their missiles on medieval rogue warlords who specialized in loot plunder pillage rape and generally indulge in death and destruction of anything anyone that does not subscribe to their ideologies.

Most Indian anchors and experts are too nice to not say these things on live TV but don't be under the illusion that the world cannot see thru this blatant and brazen hypocrisy.

 

[SakunaPataka]

Have said it before and will say it again, for most Indian, the life of a muslim worth way less than a life of a hindu.

If you read history you will find that the opposite is true. For instance in 1947 India could have easily asked all the Muslims to move out to Pakistan.

 

[rhony]

This is where I think he bungled up a bit. Yes there are resolutions for armed conflict in UN but they are incredibly biased towards the west. A country like Pakistan supplying arms to Kashmiris will tighten the FATF restrictions harder as it already did. US or Russia supplying arms to Syrians or Iraqis is considered following UN regulations. Pak doing the same with Kashmiris is considered terrorism as it has been so far. Heck even India supplies arms to Baloch and there is absolutely no noise about it. It depends on the country that does it. This is where India's position over the past few decades has paid off. Who else is going to support the Kashmiris with weapons? Quoting a UN resolution without understanding one's own stature is what separates a bookish high commissioner against a politician or an army guy. A decent program though with intellectuals but again, serves practically zero impact as the practical realities were buried for bookish speeches.

 

[kk1992]

If you read history you will find that the opposite is true. For instance in 1947 India could have easily asked all the Muslims to move out to Pakistan.

Okay,

we are in 2019.

 

[SakunaPataka]

Okay,

we are in 2019.

Is that why your PM is mentioning Tipu Sultan and your army naming missiles after medieval war lords who indulged in horrendous attrocities ?

 

[kk1992]

Is that why your PM is mentioning Tipu Sultan and your army naming missiles after medieval war lords who indulged in horrendous attrocities ?

Why is every indian stuck on the nomenclature? Don't you and Modi little side kicks have enough name to change in India?

 

[SakunaPataka]

Why is every indian stuck on the nomenclature? Don't you and Modi little side kicks have enough name to change in India?

So you don't see any wrong in openly being proud of historical figures who specialized in death and destruction ?

 

[kk1992]

So you don't see any wrong in openly being proud of historical figures who specialized in death and destruction ?

Aren't you proud of Indian army?

 

[IMMY69]

So you don't see any wrong in openly being proud of historical figures who specialized in death and destruction ?

You actually have a good point.

They should have named their Ballsitic missiles after Disney characters... better still after Nobel peace prize winners.. Mandela for a nuke has a nice ring to it

 

[SakunaPataka]

Aren't you proud of Indian army?

Answer that question first and I will answer yours. Thats how reasonable people discuss.

 

[kk1992]

Answer that question first and I will answer yours. Thats how reasonable people discuss.

LOL,

I will let you waste my time so you can be entertained.

This is 2019, a year where Modi's government and Indian army occupying, torturing, killing, raping, kidnapping kids in the middle of the night.

What other country name their weapon should not be your concern.

You lot are so brainwashed and come up with some of the most ridiculous argument to defend the atrocities committed by religious driven politics and hate from India that it almost hurt to get in to any kind of discussion.

 

[SakunaPataka]

LOL,

I will let you waste my time so you can be entertained.

If this is a waste of time feel free to not read my posts let alone respond to my posts.

But nonetheless I actually thank you for displaying your true colors and providing us a great example of why there can be no meaningful peace between Muslims and Non-Muslims.

Just brazen and blatant display of bigotry in this day and age and worst thing is you guys are actually openly proud of it !!.. And then posters here wonder why India reacts the way it does.

This is 2019, a year where Modi's government and Indian army occupying, torturing, killing, raping, kidnapping kids in the middle of the night.

What other country name their weapon should not be your concern.

Because if in this day and age you feel proud of medieval warlords despite all the horrific atrocities committed by them you should be the absolute very last person on Gods green earth to cry about any atrocities coming your way. What did you expect to get in return ... a hug and a kiss ? Welcome to 2019.

You lot are so brainwashed and come up with some of the most ridiculous argument to defend the atrocities committed by religious driven politics and hate from India that it almost hurt to get in to any kind of discussion.

Again this is something Pakistanis and Muslims in general have a mastery over. I will again give you a historical example - None of the prominent Indian leaders at the time were in favor of dividing India on religious lines in 1947 except of-course for the founder of Pakistan. If you want a more recent example look at the last Hindu ethnic cleansing in 1990.

As you can see you should be the last person to accuse India and Indians of religious driven politics when you are the Original pioneer in this area.

 

[kk1992]

If this is a waste of time feel free to not read my posts let alone respond to my posts.

But nonetheless I actually thank you for displaying your true colors and providing us a great example of why there can be no meaningful peace between Muslims and Non-Muslims.

Just brazen and blatant display of bigotry in this day and age and worst thing is you guys are actually openly proud of it !!.. And then posters here wonder why India reacts the way it does.




Because if in this day and age you feel proud of medieval warlords despite all the horrific atrocities committed by them you should be the absolute very last person on Gods green earth to cry about any atrocities coming your way. What did you expect to get in return ... a hug and a kiss ? Welcome to 2019.




Again this is something Pakistanis and Muslims in general have a mastery over. I will again give you a historical example - None of the prominent Indian leaders at the time were in favor of dividing India on religious lines in 1947 except of-course for the founder of Pakistan. If you want a more recent example look at the last Hindu ethnic cleansing in 1990.

As you can see you should be the last person to accuse India and Indians of religious driven politics when you are the Original pioneer in this area.

You have 800 K troops in Kashmir against the will of Kashmiri.

Bigotry becuase Muslims of Kashmir do not want to be ruled by Hindu fascists ?

An abuser accusing other for abusing. lol

They didn't wanted to divide it because they didn't want to lose the land.

 

[SakunaPataka]

You have 800 K troops in Kashmir against the will of Kashmiri.

Bigotry becuase Muslims of Kashmir do not want to be ruled by Hindu fascists ?

An abuser accusing other for abusing. lol

Says someone whos country was formed on grounds that they cannot co-exits with Hindus, a country which holds mass murderers in high esteem even in this day and age and of-course there is the small matter of Kashmiri Pandits.

So if you are going to be proud of such acts why are you surprised at the outcome ?

 

[kk1992]

Says someone whos country was formed on grounds that they cannot co-exits with Hindus, a country which holds mass murderers in high esteem even in this day and age and of-course there is the small matter of Kashmiri Pandits.

So if you are going to be proud of such acts why are you surprised at the outcome ?

Oh lord.

I am glad that my ancestors decided to move to Pakistan.

Now, you want to label that as bigotry, racist, and whatever then go a right ahead. lol

Asking and fighting to be free from fascists government isn't racist.

In current Hindu India, the life of a muslim worth nothing compare to a cow.

 

[sjahmed23]

I can't believe any Pakistani would go to the gutter news channels that run in India, honestly the stuff that's on there should be considered harmful for human consumption.

 

[SakunaPataka]

Oh lord.

I am glad that my ancestors decided to move to Pakistan.

Now, you want to label that as bigotry, racist, and whatever then go a right ahead. lol
Asking and fighting to be free from fascists government isn't racist.

In current Hindu India, the life of a muslim worth nothing compare to a cow.

Right. So you have no compunctions and concerns about the levels of bigotry and atrocities committed by various Muslim luminaries in the past but as of now not only being openly proud of these but at the same time you will turn around and accuse India of bigotry and fascism and claim a high moral standing in this dispute ?

Wonderful. But please don't stop. Keep it going.

And for those who keep wondering why India cannot resolve issues with Pakistan through dialogue .... I present you posts by kk1992 in this thread. I mean if this is the mindset of educated people in 2019 I shudder to think what the illiterate and the barely educated might have to say and do. Shocking !

 

[kk1992]

Right. So you have no compunctions and concerns about the levels of bigotry and atrocities committed by various Muslim luminaries in the past but as of now not only being openly proud of these but at the same time you will turn around and accuse India of bigotry and fascism and claim a high moral standing in this dispute ?

Wonderful. But please don't stop. Keep it going.

And for those who keep wondering why India cannot resolve issues with Pakistan through dialogue .... I present you posts by kk1992 in this thread. I mean if this is the mindset of educated people in 2019 I shudder to think what the illiterate and the barely educated might have to say and do. Shocking !

Are you trying to insult me? Haha

Brah, you are supporting occupation, mass murder, rape, child kidnappjng and making every one blind while worrying about me either supporting and not supporting what took place thousands of years ago?

This is beyond ridiculous, lol

 

[SakunaPataka]

Brah, you are supporting occupation, mass murder, rape, child kidnappjng and making every one blind while worrying about me either supporting and not supporting what took place thousands of years ago?

Wait ... perhaps in Pakistan the likes of Ghazni, Ghori, Tippu etc are portrayed as very benevolent non-violent Messiahs that never hurt a soul and more peaceful than the Dalai Lama himself .... thats the only logical explanation that I have to explain your petulant posts.

 

[kk1992]

Wait ... perhaps in Pakistan the likes of Ghazni, Ghori, Tippu etc are portrayed as very benevolent non-violent Messiahs that never hurt a soul and more peaceful than the Dalai Lama himself .... thats the only logical explanation that I have to explain your petulant posts.

Why are you dragging Dalai Lama In it?

Na brah, no one is talking about ancient in Pakistan but everyone is talking about Indian occupation in Kashmir.

I seriously can’t understand your obsession with Muslim sounding name.

I’m sure soon every Muslim name given to location or entity will be changed to Hindu name in India, so let’s stop worrying about what Name Pakistan given to its military equipment and try to shed a tear of what Hindu predominant army is trying to do in Kashmir because that is in present.

 

[SakunaPataka]

Why are you dragging Dalai Lama In it?

Na brah, no one is talking about ancient in Pakistan but everyone is talking about Indian occupation in Kashmir.

I seriously can’t understand your obsession with Muslim sounding name.

I’m sure soon every Muslim name given to location or entity will be changed to Hindu name in India, so let’s stop worrying about what Name Pakistan given to its military equipment and try to shed a tear of what Hindu predominant army is trying to do in Kashmir because that is in present.

Its not the name ... its the horrendous crimes committed by these individuals that is the point. If even today with the benefit of hindsight/education you are still openly proud of what a Ghazni or a Ghori did then you are far worse than everything you accuse India and Indians for the alleged crimes committed by them.

And yes I realize that I cannot possibly insult you. Because for you to feel insulted you must be aware of and subscribe to the concept of shame. Going by your posts its very clear that is not the case.

 

[Syed1]

Indians now have a problem with what we name our missiles )



We could change the name from Babur and Ghaznavi to Tom and Jerry it won't change their intent or effectiveness

 

[kk1992]

Indians now have a problem with what we name our missiles )



We could change the name from Babur and Ghaznavi to Tom and Jerry it won't change their intent or effectiveness

It’s insanity.

They know what Indian government has to do to gain control of Kashmir and to deflect attention they are attempting this idiotic tactics to portray Muslims of India, Kashmir and Pakistan as barbaric by brining in ancient history.

Desperate and pathetic attempt.

 

[BaankeJi]

Rhetoric and nothing else in that video. Nothing new. And it is being labelled as "dismantling". Height of hyperbole.

Didn't he say that Pakistan wants peace?? Isn't that ridiculous??

 

[ahsan17]

Indian logic

Bengalis pick up arms for freedom from Pakistan: Good

Kashmiris pick up arms for freedom from India: Bad

They are India's good terrorists. The same people that coined the term "Pakistan's good terrorists bad terrorists".

 

[Third_Umpire]

Why did he go on the TV show in the first place?
What is the point of talking to these rabid, hate-filled, sub-humans who celebrate genocide in the name of nationalism?

 

[SakunaPataka]

It’s insanity.

They know what Indian government has to do to gain control of Kashmir and to deflect attention they are attempting this idiotic tactics to portray Muslims of India, Kashmir and Pakistan as barbaric by brining in ancient history.

Desperate and pathetic attempt.

Let me break this down one more time

1. It was your country and your PM that keeps referring to the past barbarians in the year 2019.
2. That suggests that you guys approve of barbarism.
3. Not only that ... you guys are actually proud of it ( forget condemning it or expressing remorse )

Now tell me why you are crying when you get dealt in a manner appropriate to dealing with Barbarians ( actually far more civilized but thats another topic ). Perhaps a case of not liking your own meds and prescriptions when its dished back at you ?

 

[kk1992]

Let me break this down one more time

1. It was your country and your PM that keeps referring to the past barbarians in the year 2019.
2. That suggests that you guys approve of barbarism.
3. Not only that ... you guys are actually proud of it ( forget condemning it or expressing remorse )

Now tell me why you are crying when you get dealt in a manner appropriate to dealing with Barbarians ( actually far more civilized but thats another topic ). Perhaps a case of not liking your own meds and prescriptions when its dished back at you ?

Haven't I entertained your childish and ridiculous queries trying to justify your Government and army murdering, raping, torturing, kidnapping kids, and making everyone blind?

You aren't winning no argument here.

You are trying to blame every muslim of India, Pakistan, and Kashmir for what had happened hundreds and thousands of years ago to justify your support of your Hindu leading government and army.

So why do you need my approval? You are in majority and you supporting killing of innocent Muslims of Kashmir, making them blind, raping female of Kashmir and torturing them would not be enough to be put in jail, unless you wish to eliminate every Pakistani muslim as well then we might have to sit down for a cup of a Fantastic tea.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Indians in general are shocking at debating , very poor to say the least. It really is a waste of time having any converstion with them.

The host is such a clown , he thinks you can abuse and occupy people but if they resist they are in the wrong lol. Then again, as I wrote many Indians believes this notion and this is enough to show foolish these people are.

 

[PakLFC]

Pak must win the narrative before any physical war takes place. India's only defence that Kashmir is an internal dispute is to be ignored by Pak. We simply don't accept that and more importantly neither do the Kashmiris.