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[VIDEO] "I'm not happy at batting at number 5, because I want to bat at number 4": Mohammad Rizwan

Surely, Safraz's leadership qualities made him the best choice to be Pakistan's captain. But a captain has to perform himself and take the initiative when his team needs him the most. Sometimes, he will send another lower-order player to go and hit the ball where he could simply have come and steadied the boat. If we compare the performances, Rizwan is up there otherwise Sarfraz was not a bad choice.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Surely, Safraz's leadership qualities made him the best choice to be Pakistan's captain. But a captain has to perform himself and take the initiative when his team needs him the most. Sometimes, he will send another lower-order player to go and hit the ball where he could simply have come and steadied the boat. If we compare the performances, Rizwan is up there otherwise Sarfraz was not a bad choice.
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I don’t get it, you would rather have a good captain or a good player as captain?

The good player as captain is an absolute joke as you can see
 
BouncerGuy said:
Surely, Safraz's leadership qualities made him the best choice to be Pakistan's captain. But a captain has to perform himself and take the initiative when his team needs him the most. Sometimes, he will send another lower-order player to go and hit the ball where he could simply have come and steadied the boat. If we compare the performances, Rizwan is up there otherwise Sarfraz was not a bad choice.
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Again your acting like Rizwan and Sarfraz are relatively equal with the bat which is clearly not true.

Sarfraz was and still is a brilliant smasher of spin bowling, very good against pace and can actually hit the ball on the off-side.

Rizwan is just a hopping bunny

His leadership skills are just an added bonus to what is already a great player
 
No comparison between these 2. Both have their own significance in the team. But I think Sarfraz is history now. I cannot see him in the team anytime soon.
 
Rana said:
I don’t get it, you would rather have a good captain or a good player as captain?

The good player as captain is an absolute joke as you can see
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Definitely a good captain who can also contribute with his batting or bowling when needed. Pat Cummins for example.
 
Are you happy now Rizwan?

The decision to play him at 4 just to stop him from whining was the nail in the coffin for our chances this world cup
 
Rizwan is not in same league as some of the N0.4 batsmen other teams have like VDD or Mitchell

Now to have some historical perspective

Some of No.4 batsmen from past over the years

SRT, J Kallis, BC Lara, D Martyn, KP , M Jayawardene, Mo Yo, Inzi, MJ Clarke

Rizwan is like an ant in front of these elephants from past
 
Statistically Raizwan's batting performance was better than most keepers in this WC 2023.

He has 2nd highest run scorer.... after DeKock.
He batting average in only 2nd to KL Raul.... only 3.683 points.
His S/R was better than KL Raul & Latham and the keepers from NETH, AFG, BD.


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Kianig89 said:
would give the real picture if games against Ned, Zim, etc are removed
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Here you go...
S/R improves.
Batting Ave is almost the same.
All three 3 100s are against main teams.

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This is a bit of a hot take now… but he’s the least of our problems considering our options for keeper batsmen.

When people suggest going back to a mid 30s over the hill Sarfraz Ahmed, that’s when you know you’re scraping the bottom of the barrel.

If they were at least mentioning someone new, I’d be all ears.
 
W63L35 said:
Statistically Raizwan's batting performance was better than most keepers in this WC 2023.

He has 2nd highest run scorer.... after DeKock.
He batting average in only 2nd to KL Raul.... only 3.683 points.
His S/R was better than KL Raul & Latham and the keepers from NETH, AFG, BD.


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Take out that fluke innings vs Sri Lanka and the real stats will be their for everyone to see
 
W63L35 said:
Statistically Raizwan's batting performance was better than most keepers in this WC 2023.

He has 2nd highest run scorer.... after DeKock.
He batting average in only 2nd to KL Raul.... only 3.683 points.
His S/R was better than KL Raul & Latham and the keepers from NETH, AFG, BD.


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Oh wow Rizwan is better than KL Rahul
 
This is what happens when you think you are bigger and more important than what the team requires

Your team suffers because of you.
 
CerebralPatriot said:
Take out that fluke innings vs Sri Lanka and the real stats will be their for everyone to see
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Why just take out fluke 100, should I take fluke 50 out also?

Any other keeper scored any fluke 100 or 50 that you want me to take out ... or it's only Rizwan who scores fluke 100s?
 
For Pakistan set up he probably is okay. No.4 position batsman plays different role for each team.

Iyer - Innings build & Accelerator
Markram - Enforcer
Mitchell - Enforcer & Innings builder
Rizwan - ????

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I've always hated the stats argument so much, it never shows the true picture.

Rizwan's innings against Sri Lanka was very very good. I 100% agree. It was a great innings and he deserves praise for taking us home in the highest wc run chase ever( Non drs related).

Issue is he failed every game in a row afterwards.

That's not the case with Warner, ravindra, quinton, and sharma.

To be fair to rizzu he wasn't the worst wicket keeper this cup, he's in the middle of the spectrum.

The issue is his fans, as soon as he made that 131 everyone started calling me a hater for stating quinton >>>>> Rizwan and disagreeing with anil kumble on saying rizzu is top 3 batsmen of the world.

Quinton had already scored multiple 100's before rizzu's game and top 3 of the world is hilarious, considering I can name 10 players who did better then he did in this world cup alone.

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) David Warner
3) Glenn Maxwell
4) Rohit Sharma
5) Virat Kohli
6) KL Rahul
7) Rachin Ravindra
8) Darly Mitchell
9) Aiden Makram
10) Quinton de Kock

I can name more but stating that rizzu is top 3 in the world on current form when these 10 on current form did better then he is, Is disingenuous.

That's the issue with rizwan and misbah fans. Rizwan and misbah aren't the worst or the biggest cause of problems facing Pakistan cricket. Their a part of it, but their various other issues, Babar, shadab and nawaz in this world cup are more at fault then rizzu, even imam is more at fault then rizzu.

But everyone needs to stop acting as if misbah and rizwan are some legends, steering through and leading Pakistan in the dark times. You'll all obviously get backlash of you make stupid comments such as misbah was the best captain for Pakistan since 2000 and rizzu is top 3 batsmen in the world.

That doesn't make us a hater if we set you right.
 
shah9425 said:
But his own performance was zero
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And rizzu's performance is prime time stunning?

Or will people keep hiding behind that 131?

The reality is both suck but sarfraz has a few achievements to his name such as starring in nz test series. Winning ct 2017, Winning under 19 Cup etc.

If you give a player a 100+ games, In one or 2 they'll kick off, like nasir jamshed 100's against india, Ahmed shehzad 100 against Bangladesh in t20, sarfraz motm moment against sa and Ireland etc.

Rizwan has played since 2015, and since 8 years he's had 2 noteworthy achievements.

One being ending moqa moqa alongside babar and the other being this Sri lanka game. No one cares about his 2 100's against d string aus which ending up being match losing 100's lol. Nor does anyone care about his 83 in asia cup which is another game we lost.
 
mominsaigol said:
I've always hated the stats argument so much, it never shows the true picture.

Rizwan's innings against Sri Lanka was very very good. I 100% agree. It was a great innings and he deserves praise for taking us home in the highest wc run chase ever( Non drs related).

Issue is he failed every game in a row afterwards.

That's not the case with Warner, ravindra, quinton, and sharma.

To be fair to rizzu he wasn't the worst wicket keeper this cup, he's in the middle of the spectrum.

The issue is his fans, as soon as he made that 131 everyone started calling me a hater for stating quinton >>>>> Rizwan and disagreeing with anil kumble on saying rizzu is top 3 batsmen of the world.

Quinton had already scored multiple 100's before rizzu's game and top 3 of the world is hilarious, considering I can name 10 players who did better then he did in this world cup alone.

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) David Warner
3) Glenn Maxwell
4) Rohit Sharma
5) Virat Kohli
6) KL Rahul
7) Rachin Ravindra
8) Darly Mitchell
9) Aiden Makram
10) Quinton de Kock

I can name more but stating that rizzu is top 3 in the world on current form when these 10 on current form did better then he is, Is disingenuous.

That's the issue with rizwan and misbah fans. Rizwan and misbah aren't the worst or the biggest cause of problems facing Pakistan cricket. Their a part of it, but their various other issues, Babar, shadab and nawaz in this world cup are more at fault then rizzu, even imam is more at fault then rizzu.

But everyone needs to stop acting as if misbah and rizwan are some legends, steering through and leading Pakistan in the dark times. You'll all obviously get backlash of you make stupid comments such as misbah was the best captain for Pakistan since 2000 and rizzu is top 3 batsmen in the world.

That doesn't make us a hater if we set you right.
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He will leach off that 131 vs Sri Lanka for next 5 years.
 
mominsaigol said:
111. He scored 111
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oh ok. Besides the 26 wides that SL conceded the bowling experience has to be taken into conisderation

Madhushanka 23 y
Pathirana 20 y
Theekshana 23 y
Wellalege 20 y

On a flat road those young guys are always going to struggle as we saw them against SA.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
oh ok. Besides the 26 wides that SL conceded the bowling experience has to be taken into conisderation

Madhushanka 23 y
Pathirana 20 y
Theekshana 23 y
Wellalege 20 y

On a flat road those young guys are always going to struggle as we saw them against SA.
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The rizzu innings is good irrespective of any other nuisances like weak bowling because by that logic babar and imam should have scored as well.

I'm not disingenuous that I will not acknowledge that innings or call it a fluke. Rizwan and Abdullah played really really well even if the bowling was minnow, so credit should be given I agree.

The issue is rizwan failed consistently in every game in a row after that game, often getting out in embrassing fashion.

His no 4 nonsense doesn't help either. A no 4 usually has 2 jobs.

The first job is to help recover the innings incase the openers fail so to avoid a collapse.

The 2nd job is to continue the rr amd expand on it if the openers provide you an excellent start.

Rizwan doesn't achieve either. Because if a collapse happens he needs atleast another batsmen to hand hold him, he'll never single handedly win games like fakhar can. Secondly if the openers do get a kick start then rizwan decrease the rr, he doesn't expand on it.

In the last game his 36 of 51 is costly, this isn't how a no 4 plays. He destroyed the rr lol.

So when people say stuff like rizwan is the top 3 batsmen on the planet, Rizwan is the best wicket keeper bat of all time, Rizwan is a blessing to Pakistan cricket, rizwan played the greatest innings in wc history, then I get mad and I bring people to reality but I get called a hater for it.

I said it back on that day, and I'll say it again. Rizwan's 131 is not the greatest wc innings, it isn't even the best 2023 wc tournament innings cause it doesn't hold a candle to what rachin ravindra, Warner, maxwell, fakhar, kohli, quinton and some others have been playing and consistently at that too
 
shah9425 said:
But his own performance was zero
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He batted in only 2 of the 5 matches. Where in 1 of them he guided his team to victory from an almost impossible position & secured the semifinal spot. He didn't have to bat in rest of the matches as his bowlers were brilliant & Fakhar, Hafeez, Azhar did enough with the bat. He kept well & didn't make any stupid childish mistakes as captain on the field. So how exactly was his own performance zero?
 
W63L35 said:
Using you very own formula, here is Rohit Sharma and DeKock's real stats in this WC...

Batting Ave.
Rizwan: 34.00
Sharma: 27.60
DeKock: 18.80


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My formula involved removing his innings vs minnows that's it

You can do the same for De Kock and Sharma by all means however that'll once again work towards my favour
 
Pakistan cricket unfortunately has the dumbest noises as the loudest noises around.

In recent times this was the case with Misbah. There were loud noises that we shouldn't have Misbah in our team from our dumb supporters who actually never had a replacement in the first instance. On top of that if you think Misbah is the one scoring like 50% of the team runs in most games yet we are like we don't want these runs as we are better off without limbs.

Not one supporter have suggested any potential replacement for Rizwan. If people think Sarfraz should replace Rizwan are completely delusional in their thinking. Here are some FACTS on Sarfraz.

Sarfraz last played an ODI in April 2021 (2.5 years back). Sarfraz batting prowess would not have improved in the 2.5 years hiatus. If it helps his hand eye coordination, reaction times and fitness would all have gone downhill given he is in the wrong side of 30s.

Sarfraz in ODI since world cup averages 17! That is made up of 11 ODIs with a single 50 only. Here is another stat Sarfraz's contribution to team totals in WC was a meagre 7% with Imad Wasim contributing more to team totals than Sarfraz in 2019 WC. This is in comparison to Rizwan's 18% contribution to team totals in 2023 WC.

To add to everything said above Sarfaraz is currently having a miserable Pakistan Cup where he is averaging 22.5 with a high score of 31. For all those thinking Sarfaraz should replace Rizwan needs to calm down and try to understand things from a neutral perspective without the concept of hate. In no sports let alone be cricket any team would look to replace a younger, fitter and agile athlete with an almost washed up athlete. Speaking of time being up its important to know that Sarfaraz is worse keeper than Rizwan and that was younger Sarfaraz, with him being in late 30s those reflexes would have taken massive hit by now so in all honesty Sarfaraz is not even comparable to Rizwan in keeping terms.

If hate for some individuals on here is too much to digest and they need to vent it out on Rizwan then at least come up with a logical answer and a potential replacement so there can be a meaningful discussion. Simply throwing names and opinions would not change the facts.
 
Extra_Cover said:
Pakistan cricket unfortunately has the dumbest noises as the loudest noises around.

In recent times this was the case with Misbah. There were loud noises that we shouldn't have Misbah in our team from our dumb supporters who actually never had a replacement in the first instance. On top of that if you think Misbah is the one scoring like 50% of the team runs in most games yet we are like we don't want these runs as we are better off without limbs.

Not one supporter have suggested any potential replacement for Rizwan. If people think Sarfraz should replace Rizwan are completely delusional in their thinking. Here are some FACTS on Sarfraz.

Sarfraz last played an ODI in April 2021 (2.5 years back). Sarfraz batting prowess would not have improved in the 2.5 years hiatus. If it helps his hand eye coordination, reaction times and fitness would all have gone downhill given he is in the wrong side of 30s.

Sarfraz in ODI since world cup averages 17! That is made up of 11 ODIs with a single 50 only. Here is another stat Sarfraz's contribution to team totals in WC was a meagre 7% with Imad Wasim contributing more to team totals than Sarfraz in 2019 WC. This is in comparison to Rizwan's 18% contribution to team totals in 2023 WC.

To add to everything said above Sarfaraz is currently having a miserable Pakistan Cup where he is averaging 22.5 with a high score of 31. For all those thinking Sarfaraz should replace Rizwan needs to calm down and try to understand things from a neutral perspective without the concept of hate. In no sports let alone be cricket any team would look to replace a younger, fitter and agile athlete with an almost washed up athlete. Speaking of time being up its important to know that Sarfaraz is worse keeper than Rizwan and that was younger Sarfaraz, with him being in late 30s those reflexes would have taken massive hit by now so in all honesty Sarfaraz is not even comparable to Rizwan in keeping terms.

If hate for some individuals on here is too much to digest and they need to vent it out on Rizwan then at least come up with a logical answer and a potential replacement so there can be a meaningful discussion. Simply throwing names and opinions would not change the facts.
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Ok lets have a meaningful discussion

"Sarfraz last played an ODI in April 2021 (2.5 years back). Sarfraz batting prowess would not have improved in the 2.5 years hiatus. If it helps his hand eye coordination, reaction times and fitness would all have gone downhill given he is in the wrong side of 30s."

That's the complete opposite of the truth. Sarfraz on his return to the test team was our top scorer vs NZ where he made one of the best test hundreds by a Pakistani keeper. He averaged above 90 in this years QEA trophy and led his team a tournament win- just another feather in his cap

With regards to the Pakistan cup, his average is on the lower side as he chooses to bat down the order, giving more time in the middle to young guys. Fact is Sarfraz does not play for his average, he plays for the team and for the development of Pakistan cricket

Anyways I could go on and argue your other points but it won't make an iota of difference. Those who dislike Sarfraz dislike him due to personal reasons. No matter how many facts I present, their will always be an excuse for why Rizwan is better and honestly it's tiring
 
CerebralPatriot said:
Ok lets have a meaningful discussion

"Sarfraz last played an ODI in April 2021 (2.5 years back). Sarfraz batting prowess would not have improved in the 2.5 years hiatus. If it helps his hand eye coordination, reaction times and fitness would all have gone downhill given he is in the wrong side of 30s."

That's the complete opposite of the truth. Sarfraz on his return to the test team was our top scorer vs NZ where he made one of the best test hundreds by a Pakistani keeper. He averaged above 90 in this years QEA trophy and led his team a tournament win- just another feather in his cap

With regards to the Pakistan cup, his average is on the lower side as he chooses to bat down the order, giving more time in the middle to young guys. Fact is Sarfraz does not play for his average, he plays for the team and for the development of Pakistan cricket

Anyways I could go on and argue your other points but it won't make an iota of difference. Those who dislike Sarfraz dislike him due to personal reasons. No matter how many facts I present, their will always be an excuse for why Rizwan is better and honestly it's tiring
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Sarfaraz is already part of our test team so counter arguments with first class performance is not warranting a place in ODI team.

Don't take it the wrong way if there are better number 4 than Rizwan for ODIs then I would call them out myself but our domestic cupboard is barren at the moment.
 
Extra_Cover said:
Sarfaraz is already part of our test team so counter arguments with first class performance is not warranting a place in ODI team.

Don't take it the wrong way if there are better number 4 than Rizwan for ODIs then I would call them out myself but our domestic cupboard is barren at the moment.
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It's barren cause we made it barren by blocking pathways for youngsters.

Rizwan has been playing for 8 years. 2015 to 2018 he was a failure. 2019 was his breakout 2 100. He's been medicore in these 8 years.

Give anyone with an attacking mindset like saim ayub, Tayyab tahir an 8 year long rope like rizwan their easily surpassing him.

People act as if rizwan didn't fail in 3 years consistently
 
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Sarfaraz is already part of our test team so counter arguments with first class performance is not warranting a place in ODI team.
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Not under Babar Azam. Saud and Abdullah got World Cup call ups for Test performances

Double standards? Why? Because you don’t like Sarfaraz?
 
mominsaigol said:
It's barren cause we made it barren by blocking pathways for youngsters.

Rizwan has been playing for 8 years. 2015 to 2018 he was a failure. 2019 was his breakout 2 100. He's been medicore in these 8 years.

Give anyone with an attacking mindset like saim ayub, Tayyab tahir an 8 year long rope like rizwan their easily surpassing him.

People act as if rizwan didn't fail in 3 years consistently
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The only argument you can hold is that PSL became the biggest trendsetter in Pakistan cricket and a lot of big decisions were driven using PSL.

In PSL the chances of being a top batter laid completely with the opening batsmen hence we had this massive concern where our top batsmen in our premier domestic T20 league were all opening batters of PSL i.e. Babar, Rizwan, Shan, Sharjeel and Haider to some extent. This meant the middle order was not getting enough chances in the middle and hence this started the trend for lack of middle order batters in the country. This trend was later then also became part of our domestics where top bats usually batted at top of the innings.

At one point we had the likes of Qasim Akram, Irfan Niazi, Danish Aziz, Hussain Talat, etc who had slight degree of spotlight on them but that quickly fizzled away as they didn't had any meaningful chances in middle as top order always took away all the spotlight.

Tayyab Tahir only recently had a decent run in domestics i.e. 2 years or so before that he was nowhere to be seen in domestics. We can bring Tayyab in however he is slightly older, not great fitness standards and haven't been playing in PSL at all that doesn't help with large crowd exposure. I don't mind giving Tayyab a run in the middle order. He can certainly play against low level sides where ideally guys like Babar and Rizwan should be resting.
 
Rana said:
Not under Babar Azam. Saud and Abdullah got World Cup call ups for Test performances

Double standards? Why? Because you don’t like Sarfaraz?
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Firstly Saud had a great Pakistan Cup in the year before so he was always on verge of selection in limited overs for Pakistan cricket.

Abdullah is a separate case altogether. The guy barely played any first class matches at all before being picked for test squads. Yes Abdullah had a very good PSL tournament that would have propelled his selection after very good test performances too but if you are to raise a finger over the selection of Abdullah then it should be raised at his initial selection for test squad rather than his selection for ODIs.
 
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Firstly Saud had a great Pakistan Cup in the year before so he was always on verge of selection in limited overs for Pakistan cricket.

Abdullah is a separate case altogether. The guy barely played any first class matches at all before being picked for test squads. Yes Abdullah had a very good PSL tournament that would have propelled his selection after very good test performances too but if you are to raise a finger over the selection of Abdullah then it should be raised at his initial selection for test squad rather than his selection for ODIs.
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What number did Saud bat in the Pakistan cup?

How does he bat after Rizwan? On what basis is Rizwan a number 4 and Saud a number 5? The gulf in class and quality between the two batsmen is as wide as Rizwan’s head leaning over his front foot on a ball outside 5th stump
 
This thread is about Rizwan I see. Why discuss saud, Abdullah here. Please stay on topic.
 
There's not a better wicket keeper batsman in Pakistan than Rizwan, discussions of removing him are immature. Especially if you're wanting to replace him with a yawning big belly 'specialist captain' that hides behind tailenders.

Rizwans overacting and cringey statements are annoying but i'd rather not have someone who is inferior physically, mentally and technically.
 
mominsaigol said:
The rizzu innings is good irrespective of any other nuisances like weak bowling because by that logic babar and imam should have scored as well.

I'm not disingenuous that I will not acknowledge that innings or call it a fluke. Rizwan and Abdullah played really really well even if the bowling was minnow, so credit should be given I agree.

The issue is rizwan failed consistently in every game in a row after that game, often getting out in embrassing fashion.

His no 4 nonsense doesn't help either. A no 4 usually has 2 jobs.

The first job is to help recover the innings incase the openers fail so to avoid a collapse.

The 2nd job is to continue the rr amd expand on it if the openers provide you an excellent start.

Rizwan doesn't achieve either. Because if a collapse happens he needs atleast another batsmen to hand hold him, he'll never single handedly win games like fakhar can. Secondly if the openers do get a kick start then rizwan decrease the rr, he doesn't expand on it.

In the last game his 36 of 51 is costly, this isn't how a no 4 plays. He destroyed the rr lol.

So when people say stuff like rizwan is the top 3 batsmen on the planet, Rizwan is the best wicket keeper bat of all time, Rizwan is a blessing to Pakistan cricket, rizwan played the greatest innings in wc history, then I get mad and I bring people to reality but I get called a hater for it.

I said it back on that day, and I'll say it again. Rizwan's 131 is not the greatest wc innings, it isn't even the best 2023 wc tournament innings cause it doesn't hold a candle to what rachin ravindra, Warner, maxwell, fakhar, kohli, quinton and some others have been playing and consistently at that too
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Also, this WC exposed him as mentally weak, yeah sure, he scored against the mighty SL who only finished above the Dutch. But no where to be seen against the likes of India, Australia etc.

Only got put into no.4 cos he whined and his best mate Babar then put him there. Needs dropped for good.
 
The great botch job of Mohammad Rizwan after demanding the number 4 spot…

1. Asia cup v Bangladesh: batted pathetically slow in order to achieve a personal 50 milestone. Didn’t keep in mind that nrr was likely going to be a factor to decide who goes through to the final. Rain threatened to wash out the Pak v SL game at Colombo, nrr would have kicked Pakistan out of Rizwan (and Imam’s) selfishness didn’t

2. Was extremely lucky to be given a life by Kusal Mendis in the Pak v SL game during the Asia cup. He batted well once he got that life, but oh well…Pakistan lost and was knocked out of AC

3. Pakistan needed it’s senior Number 4 who claims to be a good player of spin (as that’s the reason why he should have the number 4 position according to him) to stand and bat when Babar Azam got out against India in the World Cup. Couldn’t handle the pressure which he himself allowed to build in pursuit of a 50, and left his team in a rut, to be then bowled out for 193.

4. Tough chase against Australia in the easiest batting conditions of the World Cup at Bangluru. Rizwan had his chance to prove that he is on par with Inzimam and Miandad for that iconic number 4 spot by simply finishing the game, keeping up with the rate and seeing Pakistan through to the runs against PROPER bowlers. Too hard for him.

5. Clueless, no plan whatsoever against Afghanistan, who found it easier to bowl to him in a tough pressure situation as compared to Pat Cummins at number 9 for Australia. Thanks for coming and opening the door for a below par score Rizwan.

6. Like a baby thrown into the deep end of a swimming pool against South Africa. Insulting a high class bowler such as Marco Jansen with his ridiculous hoicks over deep midwicket, and rightly getting a severe mouthful from him. Enough of the disrespect towards the game of cricket and the art of batsmanship. Removed cheaply by Gerald Coetzee to once again open the door for Pakistan to bat 4 overs less and another below par total batting first.

7. Chasing 330 against England, another pathetic attempt with the bat…batting at a strike rate around 60-70 runs whereas the required run rate on a spinning track was 7.5 building upwards with each dot. Completely exposed as a mediocre middle order player against spin and a poor reader of match situations. I would argue that Rizwan didn’t have the best interests of the team and the country in this performance, he was simply doing his best to score another 50 so that he could go out of this tournament with some sympathy following the absolute horror show we have seen.
 
Kroll said:
Also, this WC exposed him as mentally weak, yeah sure, he scored against the mighty SL who only finished above the Dutch. But no where to be seen against the likes of India, Australia etc.

Only got put into no.4 cos he whined and his best mate Babar then put him there. Needs dropped for good.
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I said this before, I don't mind his 131, I think it is a great innings and them being a minnow isn't gonna change my mind or anything.

I am completely okay with it. My issue isn't rizwan the player. It's rizwan the fans and the politics.

Rizwan on media advertises himself to be bigger then he is. This causes his fans to do the same and it creates this exhausting never ending reality check 24/7.

As soon as rizwan made the 131, everyone said it was the greatest of all time and that's because rizwan made fancy claims as soon as his match ended whereas other players like lara, Ben Stokes were humble. This led to many calling me a hater, but here is the question.

If people are claiming I'm disrespecting rizwan, isn't it disrespectful to say his innings is the best? Isn't a disrespect to Glenn Maxwell? Or Ben Stokes? Or lara in 2003? Or pointing in 2003 final?

And even with this twisted logic I'd still give him a bit more respect if he acknowledged or fans acknowledged that despite a solid innings he failed consistently in every game after and botched it because no 4 and no 3 is the most important position to bat In.

That's my issue. Rizwan is making himself to be bigger then he is, and his fans make him bigger then he is. This is why youngster pathways are blocked and why good players like quinton who has 4 centuries this cup is somehow disrespected because apparently rizwan is top 3 batsmen on the planet.
 
Rana said:
So be honest. What do you truly believe? Rizwan is better than DeQock and Sharma?
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Where did I say anything about what I believe or expressed my opinions? I am just copy/pasting some stats.
 
W63L35 said:
Where did I say anything about what I believe or expressed my opinions? I am just copy/pasting some stats.
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Well let’s hear what you recon? Cricket wise, do you believe he is better than Sharma and DeQock because of Stats you shared? Be honest, I know your answer but I want you to say it openly.
 
W63L35 said:
Using you very own formula, here is Rohit Sharma and DeKock's real stats in this WC...

Batting Ave.
Rizwan: 34.00
Sharma: 27.60
DeKock: 18.80


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Odd post because it seems like you selected their worst performances, whereas the person you are responding to picked the top 6 teams of the WC.

Performance against top 6(All bats)

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Performance against Top 7(All bats)

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QDK and RGS have the added benefit of batting in the powerplay, although they take significantly more risks.
 
According to a media report, there's consideration to slot Usman Khan and Fakhar Zaman into the number three position for Pakistan's T20I cricket team.

The current occupant of that position, Rizwan, is facing uncertainty due to injury. He sustained a hamstring injury during the third T20I match against New Zealand and may be sidelined for the remainder of the series pending scan results, with a decision expected today on his availability.

Should Rizwan be fit to play, the management intends to reposition him at number four in the batting order. However, while most of the team management supports this adjustment, captain Babar Azam holds a differing opinion, preferring Rizwan to maintain his position at the top of the order.

Rizwan himself is wary of the proposed change, considering his strong track record as a top-order batsman in T20Is. Notably, Fakhar Zaman has yet to feature in the ongoing series against New Zealand, while Usman Khan has managed 12 runs across two innings.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
captain Babar Azam holds a differing opinion, preferring Rizwan to maintain his position at the top of the order.
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The report is vague

Babar wants Rizwan to open with him. That’s what his mouthpiece on Twitter reported
 
The Bald Eagle said:
According to a media report, there's consideration to slot Usman Khan and Fakhar Zaman into the number three position for Pakistan's T20I cricket team.

The current occupant of that position, Rizwan, is facing uncertainty due to injury. He sustained a hamstring injury during the third T20I match against New Zealand and may be sidelined for the remainder of the series pending scan results, with a decision expected today on his availability.

Should Rizwan be fit to play, the management intends to reposition him at number four in the batting order. However, while most of the team management supports this adjustment, captain Babar Azam holds a differing opinion, preferring Rizwan to maintain his position at the top of the order.

Rizwan himself is wary of the proposed change, considering his strong track record as a top-order batsman in T20Is. Notably, Fakhar Zaman has yet to feature in the ongoing series against New Zealand, while Usman Khan has managed 12 runs across two innings.
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Why not continue with Fakhar at 4 and Babar at 3. That was working great for Pakistan in the away New Zealand series
 
Rana said:
The report is vague

Babar wants Rizwan to open with him. That’s what his mouthpiece on Twitter reported
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Babar will probably cite saim's failures to bring rizwan back soon.

Even though saim 32 set the pace. Its not his fault these 2 destroyed it beyond belief. But he'll use this excuse 100%. By England series rizwan will be back as openers especially with how the team is being a snake and hyping him up as bradman
 
The Bald Eagle said:
According to a media report, there's consideration to slot Usman Khan and Fakhar Zaman into the number three position for Pakistan's T20I cricket team.

The current occupant of that position, Rizwan, is facing uncertainty due to injury. He sustained a hamstring injury during the third T20I match against New Zealand and may be sidelined for the remainder of the series pending scan results, with a decision expected today on his availability.

Should Rizwan be fit to play, the management intends to reposition him at number four in the batting order. However, while most of the team management supports this adjustment, captain Babar Azam holds a differing opinion, preferring Rizwan to maintain his position at the top of the order.

Rizwan himself is wary of the proposed change, considering his strong track record as a top-order batsman in T20Is. Notably, Fakhar Zaman has yet to feature in the ongoing series against New Zealand, while Usman Khan has managed 12 runs across two innings.
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Scam shameless Babar again. This is Pakistan cricket team not his.
 
Too much emphasis on individual records, stats, averages and batting positions, instead of what the team needs from most of the Pakistan top order batters.
 
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Above are the overall stats by batting position in T20Is since 1/1/2022 by 10 top teams vs 10 top teams - combined.

On the average, batters at #4 score 3% more runs than batters at #5. Also, interestingly #5 batters have the highest S/R among all batting positions. No wonder Rizwan wants to bat at #4 instead of #5.
 
Is Rizwan holding back our T20 team, knowing that Any team can only afford one anchor in the lineup and Babar being the captain is already suited for this, so what do Rizwan has to offer remains a serious question upto you Azhar Mehmood
 
Rizwan needs a beating.

Firstly, you bat where the team needs you to bat.

Secondly, thank the lord you get to play for your country. The fraud has made a living bashing C level sides. Wouldn’t play more than 5 games for any other nation besides Uganda.
 
shaz619 said:
Rizwan needs a beating.

Firstly, you bat where the team needs you to bat.

Secondly, thank the lord you get to play for your country. The fraud has made a living bashing C level sides. Wouldn’t play more than 5 games for any other nation besides Uganda.
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T20 batsmens with 1100 or more runs vs Aus, NZ, ENG, SAF, PAK & IND.

Rizwan has the BEST average among all batsmen on the list including Kohli.
He has both average and S/R better than Dhoni, Williamson and Taylor.
Note the batting average of Rohit Sharma.


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How frequently Riz is getting cramps during the match it's better to give him rest until his cramps and occasional acting both get resolved.
 
W63L35 said:
T20 batsmens with 1100 or more runs vs Aus, NZ, ENG, SAF, PAK & IND.

Rizwan has the BEST average among all batsmen on the list including Kohli.
He has both average and S/R better than Dhoni, Williamson and Taylor.
Note the batting average of Rohit Sharma.


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The numbers are garbage, the game has moved on; this is his output against weak attacks. I think he really does deserve to get battered now that you have shown me this.

Lets take this all literally so the special needs party can claim Mr. Riswan is superior to Dhoni, Taylor, McCullum and Rohit Sharma etc
 
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